The Low Birth Rate is caused by Modern Societal Safety Mechanisms such as 18 Adulthood Age Theory. Wild Animals in Captivity are known to have lower Birth Rates as Wild Animals want to live in dangerous, chaotis environments, not safe, boring environments. Humans are Wild Animals. The 18 Adulthood Age Theory is an Example of a Safety Measure that is reducing the Birth Rate. Adam Smith noted the profitability of children from the perspective of parents in The Wealth of Nations. Child Labor Laws lower the Birth Rate by turning Children from Economic Assets into Economic Liabilities. Blocking Teen Marriage also lowers the Birth Rate.John Calhoun created a series of Rat Utopia Experiments in the 1960s where he described how if gave Rats unlimited food & shelter, initially, the population would go up, but eventually, the rats would start going insane & the population which reach a behavioral sink plateau upon which it would collapse. The Male Rats in the Rat Utopia would not mate with Female Rats, instead they would become non-violent while becoming obsessed with grooming themselves to look better. Modern Gym Culture is about Men improving how they physically look, it's not about improving raw physical strength. Actual Professional Weightlifters are often chubby or misshapen as their only focus is raw strength. People like Clavicular are getting facial surgeries to look better. All of this lines up with the behavioral pattern of males rats in Rat Utopias. The Female Rats in Rat Utopias become violent & aggressive & there is very poor maternity care on their part, which lines up with the behavior of people like Lindsay Clancy.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_sink
>>542342946Many Cultural Memes in Modern Life are based on Astrology. The 18/21 Adulthood Age Concept is based on the Climacteric year concept from Greek Astrology. Pythagoras performed analysis on astrology (a part of astronomy before the modern era), numerology (a part of mathematics before the modern era) & mathematical patterns based on musical tuning analysis to state that 7 was a magical number. 3x 7 Climacteric Years = 21. That's the origin of 21 Age of Majority Theory. The Normans used Astrology to hike the Age of Majority to 21, previously, the age of majority was puberty in Britain. In regions of Britain governed by Celtic Gavelkind Law, the Age of Majority was 15, while parts of Britain governed by Saxon Germanic Tribal Law had the Age of Majority set at 12-15. The Age of Majority was later lowered to 18 due to the Vietnam War Draft Issue.Every seventh year is supposed to be a momentous event under the Climacteric Year concept, knighthood was structured using the climacteric year concept as one would begin as a squire at 14 & become a knight at 21. Doctors in the Middle Ages used the Climacteric Year concept to make medical diagnoses as well. English Common Law structures the Age of Majority using Three Brackets of 7. Age 0-6 is considered an infant, Age 7-13 is considered a child & Age 14-20 is considered a minor.The concept of the 'Fourth Turning' is derived from Astrology as well. A 'Fourth Turning' is a revolutionary event every 85 years aligning with the 84 orbit of Uranus, a phenomenon known as a Uranus Return & the authors of the fourth turning concept also note the 21 age number as the number to determine the maturity cycle.
>>542342946>>542342947Under the old legal precedent, teens that lied about their age to join the military or get married were considered emancipated adults. Teenage prostitutes were historically charged as adults, especially in the 1800s & previous eras, they weren't considered grooming victims. Animals in Captivity are known to have lower birth rates. Ultra Safe Environments with safety measures & restrictions lower the birth rate Animals are meant to live in dangerous environments filled with adventures. Humans are animals. 18 magical age theorists/anti-groomers want to create a locked down boring society where humans are captive animals. That's why young men like playing video games where teens are considered adults & safety measures & restrictions don't exist.
maybe women just fucking suck as people and are prostitutes with extra steps, the internet simply exposed it.
I agree with you entirely but for some reason normalfaggots everywhere can see with their own eyes the rat utopia perfectly aligns with the modern world people live in and yet go>Hurr they are rats the experiment doesn't apply hurrrWhen it is absolutely the greatest experiment that explains the modern world ever explained. Nothing else explains the rise of men becoming obsessed with looks, transexuality, and being virgins; and women becoming completely neurotic unable to form a stable family, than the rat utopiaIt is so fucking telling.
>>542342946The Birth Rate is caused by widely avaliable and easy to use contraception. Wanting to 'have children' is an unnatural and ridiculous concept from ages that have grown too strongly intellectual.
>>542342946Btw that thing looks like a middle aged fat man on steroids. You have terrible taste.
>18 Adulthood Age TheoryI agree that this is retarded because you could argue that you aren't even an "adult" yet even by the time you turn 18. Your brain doesn't stop developing until you're in your mid-30s technically
>>542342953>Your brain doesn't stop developing until you're in your mid-30s technicallyThis is just false. The study that says that people fully develop their brains by 25 (not 30 as you said) is because that study capped the participants at 25. Other studies show that the brain continuously develops throughout your whole lifetime and isn't a done deal process. The end of puberty is the most logical marker of adulthood since the body is the same as an older adult. If we did it by brain development; we wouldn't have an end date since the brain continuously develops.
Birth control, allowing women to have rights & social media is the root cause of low birthrates. Modern women can make their own money and therefore with the power of Birth control, can sleep with top % of males. Especially with the state of the modern man, most of whom are virgin/single and will never meet the demands of the modern women.
>>542342954Further studies show that brain development largely stops by your mid-30s and your brain begins to decline starting in your 60s
>>542342946When socialization becomes de facto anti-fertile, the selective pressures placed upon the gene pool are anti-social in essence. You can place a million social barriers between humanity and its ability to propagate the species, and all this will result in is a steady selective push toward a gene pool that is less prone to being successfully socialized.
>>542342954>>542342953There was no formal age of majority for most of history, you were just considered an adult at puberty. In Ancient Egypt/Babylon you were an adult liable for contracts somewhere between 13-15 depending upon physical characteristics. 25 is the physiological peak age for humans, after which humans start breaking down on a cellular level.18/21 is a magical number based on astrology, see>>542342947
>>542342951low-T detected
>>542342946>The Low Birth Rate is caused by:1) prohibitively expensive land/housing-Nobody wants to start a family when they don't even own a home for it2) low incomes-Most women and men in relationships must both work in order to afford survival which makes starting families financial suicide3) lack of safe environments-the third world scum of the earth has moved into every western city, rendering them all dangerous rape/murder hell holesand thats it. those are literally the only things that matter, and everyone who tries to get you to blame anything else is either lying on purpose to deceive you or is retardedbtw I am white, married, and have my own white children in private catholic school
>>542342960>-Nobody wants to start a family when they don't even own a home for itlmao, this is complete and total bullshit. There are if anything too many people having children while living in apartments that they can't afford. My parents didn't have shit when they had me, and this was in the mid-90s. In fact, poor people in general seem to have kids way more often than wealthy people, you see this very clearly in the TFR of first world vs third world countries
>>542342961light skinned races are a K-selecting species and dark skinned races are an R-selecting speciesthat should explain it for you
>>542342962Or it could be that wealthy countries have a higher resource demand per capita which lowers carrying capacity and causes people to seek sexual partners less often until resource usage normalizes again as a result and TFR reaches a state of equilibrium
>>542342963Nope, because like you pointed out:>having children while living in apartments that they can't affordis classic R-selecting species behavior which they express without respect to their circumstances
>>542342960children are profitable by default with child labor as the OP notes. 18 adulthood age theory is the issue.
>>542342965You should feel ashamed of yourself for trying to convince people that child labor laws are the reason why nearly nobody can responsibly afford to have children.
>>542342964Look, all I know is that I'm a white man and I spent most of my childhood in rented homes and apartments along with my siblings. My parents had kids before they had homes. A lot of white trash in those days did. I don't think it's a racial thing
>>542342946>NOOOO THE BIRTHRATE IS TOO LOW >HUMANITY IS GONNA GO EXTIN-ACK
>>542342946>>542342947>>542342948Posts like this are why we have psychiatric meds.
>>542342969These are facts though. The Climacteric Year was in fact used as the basis for 18/21 adulthood age theory, prior to that concept, the age of majority was puberty. Your complex 18 adulthood age system is built on a silly astrological idea as much as it may trigger you.
>>542342949>>>/r9k/
>>542342946>>542342947>>542342949>>542342960>>542342962The only meaningful factor in birth rates is that it's happening almost all over the world, regardless of women's rights, housing, food prices, access to contraceptives, feminism, with the only places on the planet seeming to be the exception is places with literal ooga booga and peasent demographics. Granted, one could argue this simply means the modern qualities that lower fertility have become just that globally diffused; which if that is the case then the birth rates will only decidedly go up when EVERYONE is living under an abysmal quality of life with constant violence, famine, and other niggerish-adjacent behaviors.With that in mind, this: >>542342968Lower birthrates are fine. Shitting, pissing, and farting, about """"birth rates"""""" has so far EXCLUSIVELY been used as a thinly veiled excuse to open up the flood gates for brown people into 1st, and now even 2nd world, nations, lower the value of labor, de-educate demographics, and make everything fucking worse.
>>542342972Birthrates fall when it dawns on women that there's an exciting future that awaits them if they delay childbearing. That is an iron law that applies to every single case of birthrate collapse.Unfortunately there are a million other components to fertility rates that allow people to obfuscate this iron law. You can compare a naturally high fertility culture where women are free to a naturally low fertility culture where women are restricted and say look fertility is uncorrelated with female worldview.The effect can also be incredibly subtle and spontaneous, and may have nothing to do with the workplace or voting rights. Without any change in women's rights or workforce participation, Latin American fertility declined when women became exposed to daily soap operas that featured beautiful women living glamorous, luxurious lives, and suddenly they realized they could live like that instead of getting impregnated ten times by their gross neighbor in the slum. Similarly, without any change in legislation, black american fertility cratered in exact correlation with the divergence in college attendance and white collar careers between black women and black men. Once black women started going to college a lot, they all stopped getting knocked up by a loser unc from the ghetto. A better life awaited them.I agree completely though that the birthrate hysteria is just bad faith rhetoric by pro-immigration activists, and nothing should be done to "fix" it. If they do something like intentionally crash the housing market so young couples can afford homes, you'll just get a hundred million Mexican and Indian anchor babies.
>>542342950>>Hurr they are rats the experiment doesn't apply hurrrExplain what yoir countargument is to the proposition that the experiment has no value in explaining human behavior because humans are not rats.
>>542342955>allowing women to have rights & social media is the root cause of low birthratesExplain why women have low birth rates in islamic shitholes where they have no rights
>>542342975they usually don't, the birthrates in muslim countries are generally quite high. The exceptions are easily explicable by other conflating factors: UAE: tiny high TFR elite that rules over a slave class and acts as a western vacation destinationIran: went through an insane feminist revolution in 1979 that achieved breakthroughs in women's empowerment. The bullshit about women being forced to wear a hijab belies the fact that women in Iran can become doctors engineers lawyers and PhDs.Albania: european.But you're missing the bigger point: women's empowerment causes a relative decline for the obvious reason that has nothing to do with incel spiteful male rhetoric: a woman will obviously delay childbearing and marriage if you give her the opportunity to do a ton of awesome things that can't be done by a married mom. Why wouldn't she delay? It's not even a gender thing: if you forced men to stay at home and have kids, they'll have more kids too. That's literally how orthodox jews function. The women work and the men stay at home reading the bible, the only work he does is ejactulating in the wife when she gets home.So when women are empowered the fertility rate drops by some percentage. I don't know the number, but it's obvious that's what will happen. If your TFR used to be 2, it'll drop to 1.5. If it used to be 4, it'll drop to 2.5. But if you conflate the stats and compare the two countries, it may not be clear.
>>542342976Birthrates for middle class in muslim majority countries are at best toggling the line or below TFR.
>>542342977right, that's very good evidence for my theory. Many women in muslim countries see no possibility for a better life if they delay childbearing, or they have no choice in when they have children. So the birthrate in muslim countries is generally quite high, higher than in the west. That's why you get these numbers:Yemen: 4.5 births per womanWest Bank and Gaza: 3.3 births per womanIraq: 3.2 births per womanIsrael: 2.9 births per womanAlgeria: 2.7 births per womanEgypt: 2.7 births per womanSyria: 2.7 births per womanJordan: 2.6 births per womanOman: 2.5 births per womanSaudi Arabia: 2.3 births per womanLibya: 2.3 births per womanLebanon: 2.2 births per womanMorocco: 2.2 births per womanIn a country like Morocco, where tons of women get PhDs and other shit like that, where they see an opportunity for a better life if they delay childbearing, the birthrate is lower than in Yemen.
>>542342978All of these places are really bad. They're shitty. they're a dusty pile of bricks and a shwarma stand. Bleak. How dependent are they on the West? Do we feed them? Could Hitler 2.0 just soft-nuke them by cutting off their food? I know white people unfortunately developed some kind of super crops that made it really cheap to feed brown people. That was really awesome btw. Good job. But are they now self-sufficient? Does Algeria have its own self-sufficient supply chain of wheat from India or wherever that Hitler 2.0 would be unable to disrupt without also starving Europe? Would it be easier or harder than hard-nuking them?
>>542342946Birth rate is normalizing / returning to a non-inflated rate. It was inflated for several centuries for political and economic reasons.
>>542342974mammals have shared "deep" behaviors such as mating patterns, birthing patterns, and rearing/family structure patterns.
Birth rates are a self correcting problem (matter of fact, problem isn't the correct term because depopulation means there are more resources for every individual) and the only people who are hurt by lower birth rates are the rich who have to pay higher wages to their workers or God forbid give them concessions. This is why they lobby for the import of thousands of brown golems whom they can underpay. They feel no sense of fraternity with the common man.
>>542342972>Lower birthrates are fine.A stagnant, or even declining population, can still function but only if the proportions between the young and the old are stable. The current direction for the west is an increasingly older population, with fewer working-age people and more seniors(in fact it's projected that even when the total population would start decreasing, the senior population would keep growing and growing). The increasing strain on young people under existing entitlement programts and financial systems is unsustainable and could lead to outright collapse.
>>542342982I agree with everything you say, I just suspect you're downplaying the very real decline in what we call living standards as a result. I'd gladly take that over importing brown people, but many ostensibly anti-immigration people wouldn't.
>>542342984why?
>>542342946>This biography of a living person needs additional citations for verification. Please help by adding reliable sources. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libelous or harmful.Wikipedia is fucking shit
>>542342946name?
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>>542342946Birth rates are completely irrelevant. Rambling about birth rates is just the last cope of dying ideologies that have no way to interface with modernity.There are far too many people on the planet, certainly far too many stupid people, and we are massively overreliant on both digital and physical human labour, both will be replaced artificial labour soon after AGI, first by llms then robots + llms.
>>542342989AI will never be more economical than employing a bunch of Guatemalans to pick your food.
>>542342979They have solid agricultural areas, outside the gulf Arabs, heck even Yemen has a highly fertile area, the gulf is also buying fertile hectares in Sudan and Somalia, only issue is Egypt if they don’t get a control of the Nile
>>542342946Yes and it's completely intentional because the rich don't want everyone else having lots of children.
>>542342992The 'Elites' wanted an 'optimal' birth rate, not a collapse, that's why Elon & co. are crying like babies over the birth rate now. They want to have their cake & eat it too, but they can't, because nature forces corrections in extreme directions either way. The current system is not sustainable, meaning the old suboptimal child labor is ultimately going to resurrect at this rate.
>>542342985I mean there will be a million examples but won't it just be shit like>brown people get depopulated>fewer farm workers>farm wages rise>ground beef prices rise>people forced to eat less meatWhich is literally fine. People just need to wake up and realize that the first world with 1956 demographics was fun and lebensraumy and "high trust" and whatever other euphemisms people have for white, and that it will be worth temporarily paying more for beef.
>>542342974Not him but the fact human social behavior in fact right now reflects the rat utopia
>>542342971Prove he's wrong
>>542342953Women vouched for this and women have poor long term planning skills compared to men because of evolution. Women are what Hoppe called "high time preference" people
>>542342954>>542342953>>54234295818 is developed and old enough to consent to anyone of any age
>>542342999Puberty is developed & old enough per biology. 16 year olds have superior physiological faculties to that of 70 year olds by a long shot. Pretending that 16 year old can't understand a contract, but a 70 year old can, is ludicrous. Drug/Alcohol Consumption does more damage to a 70 year old than it does to a 16 year old, so why not impose an age of majority maximum?18 adulthood age theorists are following a magical astrological/numerological number, their actual material argument breaks down upon detailed inspection of the law.
>>542342993>>542342992birthrates are collapsing in places without any western elite influenceChina built like a billion single family homes and 3-bedroom apartments in the past decade and home prices fell there ~$100k on average, which is about as much as the "elites" can possibly do to help the birthrate rise, and their birthrate plummeted
>>542343001It's because of the animal captivity issue, the current system is like a zoo, it's not natural, so the zoo animals aren't having any natural fun.
>>542342950>and being virginsthose rats were volcels thought, most human male virgins are incels, its not the same
>>542343002we live in the least restrictive, most sexually libertine, most amoral era in human history. There are no cages binding us in any way.Every country that has seen their birth rate drop saw it happen when people, especially women, realized they had opportunities outside of childbearing. When they found out there was something fun they could do when they were young or middle aged, that would be possible with a child (or more children).If your theory is that we just need to tear off our clothes and go wild and crazy and uninhibited and give the middle finger to the system, I'm sorry, we've been doing that since our grandparents' generation. And we've only had fewer children.You need to be uninhibited to fuck, but you need to be the complete opposite to raise children, especially 2-4 children.The only college-educated white people in America who still have a lot of children are the Southern Christians, who are probably the closest thing we have to "captive" animals.
>>542343004*impossible with a child
>>542343004>college-educated white peopleWhy is college education relevant here? Do you think it's a must-have criteria? America went through many decades as the leader of industrial and scientific innovations in the world back when less than 10% of adults were college-educated. The inflation of the college system has been due to "wet roads cause rain" logic which has had 0 positives and plenty of negatives to it.
>>542343006It was relevant, but not in the sense of "we need more women getting PhDs if we want a population base that can continue technological progress". I agree most people who are in college right now don't need to be there. It's more evidence of a society based on delaying maturity and prolonging childhood.My point was that, even among the demographic that could arguably be said to live a "caged" modern life - people who go to college and have to study for exams and get a white-collar job and sit in traffic every morning - it's only those of them who still abide by some semblance of a traditional, prescriptive moral code and guiding philosophy, people with a sense of law and duty, that is devout Christians, in other words, the MOST "captive" of them all, who still have children.
>>542342946I want her body so bad. Imagine the possibilities. Scratch that. Imagine just being treated like a human as a baseline. That would be so awesome.
>>542343000Most people have the mental faculties to exist as adults at 15, but everyone has them at 18. Age of consent. or maturity in general, being higher than 15 or 16 is a safety precaution to make sure no one slips through the gaps.
Most 30 year old men nowadays have lower sperm counts than 60 year olds
>>542342975>Explain why women have low birth rates in islamic shitholes where they have no rightsBecause those Islamic shithole are liberalizing too. Even if women there don't have many rights politically, they still go to college, do waged labor and have careers, which brings the birth rates down.
>>542343011Saudi government pays people to do nothing, they basically have UBI and yet their TFR is hovering around 2 and is already below replacement in hejaz
>>542342946easy solution: start ww3. no more utopia
