>The exercise band Clancy used to strangle her children was presented as an exhibit at the trial. He took the exercise band out of the bag, grabbed an empty water bottle, and tied the band around the water bottle and pulled it.>The atmosphere descended into "name-calling and yelling" as the single holdout refused to back an insanity defense verdict>Deliberations grew so intense at times that six alternate jurors situated in a separate room could hear the shouting>He would not interact with us and try to understand>He admitted he had reasonable doubt, but then said, "I'm still not going to say that she's not guilty by reason of insanity."
>>542375790Who was doing the yelling and name calling? It was the holdout right? R..right?
Lol you literally cannot do what that person is alleging, if you freely and vocally state you believe reasonable doubt exists but youre going to vote guilty anyway you will be removed from the jury
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>>542375942No, it waas emotionally unstable women who shouldn’t be on a jury
>>542376017Bullshit. Jury nullification exists for a reason. He did nothing illegal nor unusual for a case like this.
>>542376075And the quote from OP if real proves it. Thats exactly how women argue. If you deny them their point they try to gaslight and suggest you did agree but youre just being deliberately obstinate. That is what women do. So they argued with him and maintained his position and in their mind that meant he acquiesced and actually admitted they were right and he was just being a meaniehead. This is an obvious lie. If he said out loud he was voting guilty anyway to a jury of women when he knew reasonable doubt existed hed have been removed from the jury.
>>542376214>Jury nullification, also known as jury equity[1] or as a perverse verdict,[2][3] is a decision by the jury in a criminal trial resulting in a verdict of not guilty even though they believe a defendant has broken the law.What he did (allegedly) would be the complete inverse of this where he believed they did not commit the crime but hes voting guilty anyway.
>>542376433>he said he had reasonable doubtsAccording to the women who were going to let a child killer walk.
>>542376075Literally all women are emotionally unstable, which is why no women should be in juries nor should they be able to vote in elections.
>>542376624Exactly they're lying. If you were on trial for murder and the defense presented indisputably evidence you were 3000 miles away on an island during the murder and I went to deliberate and said out loud WELL FUCK HIM HES GUILTY and they asked me why and all I said was I KNOW HE DIDNT DO IT BUT IM VOTING GUILTY ANYWAY MUHAHAHAHAHA they'd bring that up to the judge.
>>542375790Why are all the other jurors going around in a gossip bender now?They're all just going around, gossiping about the juror that disagreed with them.Lol. Anyone else find this strange? I find it strange.I mean, jurors are allowed to disagree. That is part of the judicial system at work.What, even, have they said about him other that they think he's a super-duper double big meanie?
>>542376017>thinks (((judges))) follow the lawI'd kek, but it's just sad.
>>542376017Juror's deliberation rooms are closed. Nothing said during deliberations by any juror, can be proven. They might just be making this up. We will never know what was said in the deliberation room. That is how it is supposed to be. That is the process of juror deliberations.
>>542376893To my understanding the defense did ask for the juror to be removed and they were denied
>>542376760>What, even, have they said about him other that they think he's a super-duper double big meanie?They said he specifically and intentionally ignored the instructions given by the judge, which would be a very big deal in a country with a functioning legal system.
>>542375790For got to post about how one of the female jurors in an interview a couple days ago talked about in regards to the holdout juror and I quote "he just couldn't get past the fact of how brutally she killed her children".
>>542376991Correct. The judge ignored the law as much as the juror did.
>>542376261This line is my favorite:>He would not interact with us and try to understandWhen women say that it always means "he wouldn't say I'm right"
>>542377044>The judge ignored the lawNot really because he explained his reasoning that removing the ONE juror who isn't going along with the rest makes it look like the judge and the court itself, which is supposed to be nuetral in this matter, is picking sides. We all know if he removed that juror immedietly the not guilty verdict would go through making the whole court case a sham especially since it is a high profile case. If the law says "you must go with the majority no matter what" then that is an unjust law and good on the judge and the juror for ignoring it.
>>542376017True but >what that person is allegingis the key phrase. Are you gonna trust these jurors that immediately went on television to gossip about the trial and their fellow juror, or will you trust the judge that evaluated the situation and decided not to remove the lone holdout from the jury?
>>542375790is it normal for jurors to take evidence out of the packaging or was it just a copy of the exercise band she used?
>>542377245>isn't going along with the restThe nigger juror said he had reasonable doubt but still wanted to convict her, due to being a nigger. It wasn't about "going along," the nigger was actively breaking the law, which is not suprising, given that he's a nigger.
>>542377559It's probably normal for niggers.
>>542377007I know they said this or that. But nothing said in the juror's deliberation room, can be proven to us, the public.Apparently, they went to the judge with any issues they were having, and the system played out. So obviously, the judge found that it wasn't legally prudent to kick any of the jurors out or insert an alternate. None of the jurors were charged with any crimes. He offered them remedies. He gave them instructions, etcetera. The system played out, as intended.
>>542377559It wasn't the actual band, it was band of similar make. They don't let jurors get their cheetos fingers all over evidence.
>>542377570Did he actually say he did for certain or was it others saying he did? Was it definitive or a passing comment?
>>542376017>>542376991>>542377044>"The note indicates that the juror has acknowledged doubt but refuses to apply it," said Judge Sullivan. "That note does not indicate that the juror refuses to follow the law.">Reddington, the defense attorney, then asked the judge to remind the jury about reasonable doubt more "forcefully">"What do you want me to do?" Sullivan responded. "Get a brass band?"kek
>>542377570>juror said he had reasonable doubt but still wanted to convict herwere you there and heard it with your two ears or are you just being a retard and going with what those old hags are claiming? It looks like they're in cahoots, like they formed a clique for whatever self-serving motive.
>>542377044You can have some doubt but still not have enough doubt to be convinced. Why would a judge remove someone in this case? Other anons have stated you can't know exactly what was said. Maybe his doubt was a smaller percentage and he wasn't persuaded enough by the defense.
>>542376017They started off by saying that he "had doubts" and never used the word "reasonable". It wasn't until later that they claimed he had "reasonable doubts". They're all lying.
>>542378111>ask him a loaded question >"of course anyone will always have some doubt i suppose but it hasn't crossed the threshold into what id consider beyond reasonable doubt">run to judge >just use the word doubt>run to media>now its reasonable doubt LmaoWoman arguing 101
>>542377044Here is what the judge said:>Case law spells out the concerns everybody has in this situation... the juror may only be discharged for reasons personal to that juror having, nothing whatever to do with the issues of the case, or the jurors relationship with their fellow jurorsat 4:32 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywpq5-4sAqE>>542377855the note only indicated that the juror acknowledged "doubt". Not "reasonable doubt"same video 5:11The female juror made sure to add "reasonable doubt" in her interview though lol.
>>542378438And I wouldn't be persuaded either. You heard a voice once? Only once, but that was compelling enough to act on it? That's not what intrusive thoughts are, which could possibly be argued to have broken someone down over time.
>>542376017You can acknowledge the possibility of reasonable doubt existing but the evidence that shows she knew every step she was taking is beyond a reasonable doubt.
>>542376433You're right. What it's called is a hung jury. A completely normal and expected thing too. Either way, you're still wrong.
>>542377007if that was the case the judge would have removed him
>>542380304thishe clearly satisfied the judge that he was competent and capable of serving on the juryall their butthurt is meaningless
>>542375790>He took the exercise band out of the bag, grabbed an empty water bottle, and tied the band around the water bottle and pulled itSmart move. He used their own simple-minded and over-emotional tactics against them but I guess they were too far gone to see reason. Incredibly based of him to hold his ground like this
