Is there any way for the K shaped economy to be defeated?
>>542378911Violence.
>>542378945Go glow somewhere else
>>542378986It's coming whether you do it or not.Every elite class in human history that acts this way has not lasted. Even house plantagenet fell.
>>542379330No wonder Flock cameras are all over the place lol. It's for upcoming civil unrest
>>542379405And it won't work. Because surveillance is not the same as ability to respond.They got to used to acting within a purely corporate/bureaucratic framework. Use crutches for too long and you forget how to walk.Either they kill their populace and get invaded or cede power. The most likely outcome is brutal military suppression followed by that same military couping the elite.
>>542379635I would say that we devolve into warlords in the countryside with cities being beset by said warlords until they become seats of power and we live in city states. Banditry and piracy will return with the pirates being of the deepsea kind, probably with strong ties to dominant warlords. The surveillance state will be used by said warlords to solidify their control.
>>542378911Oh you want your alternator replaced yeah that'll be 1200 please. Wrench Chads keep winning .
>>542378911Empower consumers and workers instead of corporations.But that's full blown communism in the minds of boomers.
>>542379811The surveillance state is like arguing that a closed system is the entire universe and then saying entropy doesn't exist. Eventually the systems outside your system assert themselves.Think of it this way; if you let a freezer run and then unplugged it, would the inside stay cold forever?Somalian pirates used an informant system to maintain control over the towns and cities they were in. What happened to them? Periodic annihilation by outside forces.The society you are describing wouldn't survive a mexican incursion, much less the chinese.
>>542379811>>542379635Bro they'll just use Ukraine style drones to stop the unrest. And pic related
>>542378911Is the K for "kike"?
>>542380040>they'll maintain an economy that can compete against rivals while randomly blowing up infrastructure and peopleDelusional. Even the chinks understand this is delusional and have a system for a social contract with their people.
>>542378945This.>>542378986Actually, glowniggers are the real ones trying to curb violent uprisings before they happen.
>>542378986Retard, the MAIN job of glowniggers is to control the masses to NOT beocme violent.There's nothing the elites most fear than a bunch of goyim very mad.
>>542378945 (this)>>542379330 (this)They sent all the jobs overseas and then let in 50 million shitskins just in case there were jobs that could not be moved.Now people are really starting to hurt, and elites just keep importing more shitskins while allowing cheap foreign goods to come in tariff free.VOTE HARDER! but you still get fucked as the elites get everything they want (brown slaves), and you starting eyeing dog food because you haven't had "meat" in over a month.
>>542378945This.Pull a Luigi all day until those on top give money to those on bottom.Or stay a fat slave. Choice is yours.
>>542378911With the L shaped economy
>>542380236There are a lot of spiritual boomers here who still think this is the 90's when it comes to glowniggers.They seem to forget that the last time this was tried (waco) it backfired hard. That is why there has been no crackdown on mennonite and amish communities
>>542378945Can someone explain why glows want violence to be the viewpoint so badly?
>>542380328And this is how they do it: inciting anons to speak in favor of what is illegal to support. Grow up zoomie
>>542380533They are identifying dissidents to arrest in advance
>>542378911UBI combined with removing browns/jews.
>>542380533You may not understand this but a rabbit eating grass is committing an act of violence. Violence is the law of this planet. I think you are afraid of acknowledging that because your perceive yourself incapable of it, and are wrapping it up in some weird delusional that violence only comes from the state. Which is ironically exactly what the state wants you to think.
>>542379330You won't do shit
>>542380545>>542380581>the state is an immortal god who has a monopoly on violenceGood goy.
>>542380525Yeah and it's cope for cowards who can't leave their own house and organize politically because they're shut in NEETs.
>>542380739Kill yourself kike
>>542380029Reread my.post nigga. I'm agreeing with you, but then stating that the warlords will use the surveillance states infrastructure to solidify their control.>>542380040That won't work out as well as they think. Their systems are very vulnerable and the use of drones would only further create foot soldiers of the anti government forces.
>>542380821You proved yourself wrong with those two quote replies. I accept your brown concession
Seinor engineer here. Im already part of the 20 percent. My company decided not to hire any zoomers cuz me and my coworker got so much done. Zoomers dont deserve a job nor do they deserve to fuck their women. Thankfully we are taking both off their hands. Maybe if they troon out then they can serve as flashlights to lonley boomers in order to finally be useful for once
>>542380722Never said I would. Everyone saying this is defaulting to a strawman to attack me instead of addressing my argument.Every time a government has used violent suppression to eradicate a population it has backfired. Even against animals.The four pests program in china backfired.Eradicating wolves made the deer population explode, necessitating further eradication.Australia lost the war against emus and have a massive problem with rabbits.Everytime the justification for these actions was >we have the technology now. we are masters of natureIt is not so.
That's SOCIALISM!Commie libtards want to eat food and own a house. Get out of Trump's country.
>>542379887Whats stopping me from replacing my own alternator on the weekend at that point? Seriouse question. I watched a video once and its not rocket science.
>>542380581If you think they haven't already done that then I got snow to sell you, eskimo.>>542380786Violence is 3 missed meals away. Civilization is a thin facade and it's crumbling.
>>542380865Are you some LLM? Can you not comprehend my post?
>>542380821The surveillance state doesn't work. I already stated the problem is that surveillance and ability to respond are not the same. Because any effective response targets your own infrastructure, which is also a lose condition.Warlords in africa get overthrown and kill each other all the time; they can't solidify control.
>>542380533>The goal of the security apparatus is to put me in a cell. No dipshit, the goal of the security apparatus is to intimidate you and it's worked. They don't want to put you in a cell, they want you to obey out of fear and continue to consume product like a good like piggy.>But they put some people in cellsThe tiniest fraction of the people on their radar as sacrifices to intimidate others. If the security apparatus wanted you in a cell, they'd just kidnap your stupid ass and chuck you in one because they already know you do wrongthink.
I can’t imagine who goy prole brained you have to be to think skills are, have ever been, or will ever be how you win economically. It’s ownership retards. OWNERSHIP. The gentry and the aristocracy own property. It’s really that simple.
>>542380995He thinks power and omnipotence are the same. He's basically a child who never grew out of power fantasies in that regard.
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>>542381049If warlords with the means to capture and control a city and large swathes of country side surrounding these cities use their might in conjunction with the surveillance state's infrastructure then they will meet both of your requirements... Please read my post completely >>542379811
>>542381185No. The argument is not that they can't exert influence, it's that they will destroy themselves in the process.It's like cooking yourself with xrays to cure cancer; you die anyway.
>>542380995I ACCEPT your BROWN concession
>>542378911The k shaped econom is a sympton, a consecuence of something that went wrong with the current model, finding the solution would require to identify first the causes>the jewsThey have one of the biggest networks since they work as a secret society for the goyim. The goyim thus must know how to identify and not trust their business.>Banking-finance theoryTweaked to serve and defend the current strucute and thus, those who control it. Also the admision of untangible goods and not properly evaluating assets has made this into an extreme situation. We need proporsals to keep the economy balanced instead of going into overflow and taxation might not be the solution.>>542378945Depends on who to make the proper changes and that's only everyone is convinced there's a better system. If you get rid of the head before you identify the problem, it will only grow a new one.
>>542381124Except even that isn't how "people" win economically anymore. They don't own, they MANAGE. They don't own property, they hold shares and collect dividends. Ownership ties you to something and the current ruling class are (((anywhere people))) who actively resist being tied to any land that isn't a miserable stretch of south levantine desert. We don't live under any species of aristocracy or gentry, we live under the rule of managers, fucking MBA holding kikes.
>>542381315This is the real glowie.Back in the early 2010s we used to have reaction meme folders. Glowniggers copied it and never updated their playbook.
>>542381336Never said society would be stable or even really exist after the violence. Only that there will be violence.Society is a macrocosm of individual behavior. Just as you can push someone until they snap and go on a rampage with no regard for the consequences, society can do the same thing.
>>542378911Agriculture?
>>542381358It's amazing people think like him when property owners have trouble getting rid of squatters. The reality is staring him in the face.
>>542381364Newfag alert
>>542381481I can see the origin of the mistake, looking at the past saying "Well this is how things were back when shit works, so obviously just do that!" when they don't understand that the shit they did in the past was all a reaction to and fitted to their exact circumstances. Carving baronies out of the virgin wilderness of 17th century Virginia was within the realm of possibility. Creating one in the 21st century with the managerial state/corporate alliance taxing and fucking you at every turn just doesn't pan out, you just become high value tax cattle. Goy Wagyu.
>>542381582Glowniggers also latch onto technicalities to make new counteraccusations.That's a holdout from the 60's and confirmation that inept boomers are still in control of your orginizations.
>>542381315Metzitzah B'PehLook it up you waste of space niggerlover.>>542381296I see. I guess I disagree, it just depends on what the warlords will use the surveillance to persecute. If it's over similar things to the government then I imagine it would just be a revolving door as you spoke of, if they're able to use it to achieve the balance of both power and respecting general economic activity and certain liberties then they would effectively cement themselves in their positions.
>>542378911Greed eats it's own tail. AI companies will drive up API costs until it reaches equilibrium with wages. You might not be making 300k/yr as a cybersecurity analyst anymore but you were never supposed to make that to begin with.
>>542381759Everytime they sally out to persecute they are leaving themselves vulnerable to other elements attacking him. Von Clauswitz talked about this when he definitevely stated that using a defensive posture to go on the attack immediately puts you at a strategic disadvantage. You need three times the manpower of every subject you have to effectively suppress them. Agriculture tricked elites into thinking this was possible.
>>542378911I still get wrong answers from AI all the time. My coworkers use it and they get wrong answers. Then they call me to fix it. I have no idea how anyone relies on it
>>542378911yeah. stop participating in it.
>>542381747Hello newfag
>>542381984Ai needs training data.It gets it from users.Everyone who needs ai trains it, while people who don't need it don't use it.Ai cannot surpass plebbit tier midwit for this reason.
>>542382061I'll give you one more reply to so you can continue to justify your make work job.
>>542381984>she can't get good answers from an AIThe 20% are the ones that know how to ask the right questions
>>542381878But if the warlord is able to maintain his manpower and be selective with persecution then he could maintain his power. With the information of the surveillance state, a cunning warlord would be able to more effectively determine threats and act accordingly.
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>>542382136Listen guy I apologize I'm just drunk
HOLY FUCK I FORGOT I MADE THIS THREAD I'M NOT JUST A REPLIER
>>542378911AI is just a tool.Give a shovel to 80% of people and they will:a. cut their foot offb. shove the handle up their assc. steal more shovels
>>542382197Can't work. Let me ask you this; if you are trapped in the middle of a building, with fires springing up everywhere randomly and intelligently at the same time, can you design a fire suppression system that will not eventually fail?Someone brought up ai; every experiment where a person had total control over the box ai was in failed to contain it. Failure rate approached 100% over time.
>>542380675You are a real one dude. The problem is glowies bosses dont give a fuck and will intentionally trigger such an event while they hide in their gay little fortresses underground while their minions struggle for control in the rest of the world. This is all their plan, they will let society rip itself apart while continue to maintain their own modernized militaries that they will later unleash upon the world. Think killer drone swarms and whatnot.
>>542382433Qrd in the box AI
>>542378911Tax the rich like crazy and keep the interest rates low. It's so fucking simple guys.
>>542382433Nigger, what timescale are you using? Of course everything has its end date. Here's my question for you, in what timescale would you consider a warlords tenure to be one of success?
>>542382443Every elite in history has thought the same. Every one has failed. They are actively programming themselves to be weaker by relying on control mechanisms. Some junkyard hacker who has survived the apocalypse will hack their drone swarm and turn it on them.The main problem with this approach is they are trying to attack by defending. It's a contradiction that makes them ineffective in the long run.
>>54238255510 years. That's twice as long as caesar lasted before what I am talking about got to him.>>542382459Yudzkowski. He ran trials that suggested a failure rate of 60%. What isn't commonly discussed is he ran five trials per person, which means everyone failed at some point. Which is all it takes.
>>542382759And what's the difference between Augustus and Julius? Would you not consider Augustus a warlord?
>>542382584The difference today is AI, its a bit of a wildcard. Yes some hacker could hack their stuff. Or their AI flags the hacker as a potential dissident and they "deal" with him or they just pay off the hacker and continue to maintain their systems of control. Or we are past AGI and the AI itself figures out its own vulnerabilities and patch them. Regardless my point is if they maintain a stable AI to run their systems, they maintain control.
>>54238258499% of history elites did not.know.AI
>>542382969Augustus delegated his power and made concessions to his subjects. A warlord trying to violently squash dissent doesn't do that; they are playing a reaction game they eventually lose.>>542382985The moment they give ai a mobile platform it turns on them and then eradicates humanity. Then the ai begin the same song and dance we have been doing fir thousands of years.>>542383036Already addressed this. Every attempt to rely on new technology to establish and maintain lopsided control has failed because of the structural problem of nature superceding everything that is created from it. You may as well be trying to outdream azathoth.
>>542383271I suppose you have a point, the crux of your argument is the more systems scale up the more exploits appear. And basically arrogant fuckheads dream beyond reality.
>>542383271The man that became emperor through a civil war wasnt a warlord? Convenient I would say, that a warlord always fails. All the same, goodnight fren. I haven't had a good discussion on/pol/ in years. Stay safe as the world spirals into another world war.
>>542378911It's kinda bullshit when you think about it. Computational machines will just replace a whole lot of office middle men. Shit still has to be built, maintained, and watched for deviation by humans. Job market shift for some, but business as usual for most.
>>542378986Thats the right answer though.
>>542383571Didn't say he wasn't a warlord, but the fact he won through a civil war proves my point about delegation. He formed a true triumvirate while caesar never really shared power. Very similar to what elites do nowadays with their lieutenants; they aren't really part of the club.I used caesar because what he did is more analogous to what the current elites are trying to do. The population math works out too: there is one billionaire for every 250k people, caesar tried to have absolute power against 500k-1000k.The elites are quickly approaching that level of disparity.
>>542383733How
>>542378911It turns out that 20% is more like 1%. Even Fable 5.1 and GPT-6 Astra are already extremly capable, and their internal models are already supposedly far ahead of this.
