>>542413468
How does this stop some guy on the Iranian coast from flying a drone into a civilian oil tanker?

>>542413468
We don't have and never will have air superiority over Iran. Sitting duck

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>>542413468
Because unlike the Iraqis and Afghans, the Iranians can shoot them down.
Why does Israel not have its own long range bombers?

>>542413468
We don't have air superiority over Iran. Air superiority is an obsolete concept when sandniggers can roll drones armed with air to air missiles out of garages

>>542413468
Well what do you wanna hit with it?
Siege is done so as to not waste military power pointlessly.

>>542413468
>We
Who is we ?

>>542413468
Why havent you invaded is the real question

>>542413468
same reason there are two destroyed C-130 and a F-35 on the ground in Iran.
Same reason Israel stopped attacking Iran by air and wants the USA to do it: one filthy kike murderer is worth 1000 American goyim pilots.

Iranian air defenses and their IR detection system makes the usual US combat Air operation SOP of wipe out the air defenses and get total immunity from ground attacks impossible.

>>542413772
Carpet bomb tehran

>>542413468
they did with standoff (ranged) munitions. we can't build these things anymore so we can't risk them getting shotdown.

Timmy ain't gonna do shit.

>>542413468
Iran has air defense.

>>542413861
That is a component but also this

>>542413723

>>542413790
We, the shabbos goyim ! Am Yisrael Chai !

>>542413621
Remove the Iranian Coast, obviously.

>>542413896
Why Teheran and not Qom?
Striking religious centres is more effective against theocrats and Teheran is a pretty city worth sparing.

But at that point why not simply use a nuke?
It's cheaper, faster, less risky and you're already planning warcrimes anyway.

Nobody capable is seriously gonna avenge Iran if it is nuked.

>>542413861
How about a suprise invasion like D day with paratroopers being dropped behind the lines to gain fast control over the coastline so that the Iranians cant control the Hormuz pass

Quick bomb their huts

The Love Shack is a little known place, where we can get together.....

>>542413468
I thought this wasn't a war? Just a "limited military intervention"?

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>>542413468
Yes plz

>>542413468
Every other post in this thread is wrong.
The simple answer is that the US was using B-52s but they don't really make a difference.
The B-52 is a high altitude bomber saturating areas with large volumes of imprecise munitions. Most of the vulnerable targets were destroyed early in the war and since the US has not made civilian infrastructure a target the collateral damage threatened by high altitude bombing is unacceptable.

The actually significant military targets remaining are distributed and concealed in difficult terrain, demanding small volumes of very precise munitions to eliminate individually once they are located, or buried under hardened structures where surface bombing is ineffective and the main approach is to collapse access tunnels instead. None of these are jobs that an expensive-to-operate high altitude bomber is suited for.

What remains of Iran's limited air defenses are short-range infrared platforms that cannot affect a high-altitude target, but that's irrelevant when there's no target for a high altitude bomber to strike. This isn't WW2 with a license to level cities to the ground block by block.

>>542413468
It's a fat piece of shit and we don't have air superiority.

>>542414092
Why would that be necessary?
Unsurprisingly the country most reliant on the gulf named after it is that country: Iran.

And nothing can seriously replace maritime supplies, especially not in a desert country under siege, thereby using their defensive strengths against themselves.

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>>542414067
>war crimes
The Hague ain't what it used to be. We are the law

>>542414208
Estimated timeframe in weeks?

>>542413468
Cause war is lame as fuck these days..it's just a front for rich niggers to get richer quick and get rid of people in the way of them killing more people and selling more bombs.

same reason russia doesn't fly any planes over ukraine. it'll get shot down.

>>542414337
Sure thing Timmy.

>>542414067
>why not simply use a nuke
I love retards like you
You are soo funny
I love how you propose the idea of nuking some country as if it happens in vacuum.
It's amazing a literal retard like you can even solve captcha.

>>542414278
Also a good point, still an option in the case of dual-use infrastructure though.
But yeah you first need a proper target, no point in wasting resources.

>>542414092
2000km/1250mile long coast line. The US does not have the means to pull this off, not within the subject of morale, logistics, personnel,... and then you have to ask yourself, if they pull this off, how are they going to hole down? How is the navy going to supply them? It is a suicide.

>>542414337
It never was anything, it just became very apparant only recently.
But i already accounted for that by suggesting the nuke.

>>542414325
>desert country under siege
Im talking about the mountains in which they have tunnels and bases that bunkerbuster bombs cant put a dent in
Boots on the ground are necessary there if anyone wants to stop the iranians from controlling the Hormuz

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>>542414384
>Timmy

>>542413468
>>542414278
They already were used for strikes over Iran at targets inside of Iran, several months ago. And yes, most of the 'remaining targets' and hard installations inside of Iran are buried, hidden, or otherwise shifting-locations or concealed that are not optimal targets for heavy strategic bombers.

>>542414417
It's always so cute when you ideological retards mistake your pathological empathy and ideological convictions for intelligence.

Russia should have nuked Ukraine rather than invade, the USA too should use it rather than invading.
But the latter is not in a position where invasion is needed.

>>542414442
They will have to figure it out eventually, because whatever the americans are doing now is not working
Navy is their only hope for logistics and they cant allow this to go on or the value of the dollar will collapse and everyone becomes a billionaire not being able to buy a box of matches with a billion dollars
Americans arent capable of comprehending inflation so they will have to do something eventually

>>542414491
...The ones where they evacuated their uranium supplies from because they themselves were not foolish enough to think that invulnerability can be built?

Retreating into holes or fortifications is exactly what siege is meant for, it is smoking out the vermin.
The only reason it is so rarely applied is because our islamic faggots were always too queasy about islamic "civilian" suffering.
Thankfully Gaza illustrated that the responsibility for such suffering does not lie with the attacking party but with the party making such a tactic necessary to spare their own.

In short: People have finally reached an agreement, namely that muslim lives are indeed worth less than western lives, as the former have always insisted on in practice.

>>542413468
No justification for it. We aren't at a full blown war with Iran so there's no need to carpet bomb their entire country when military targets can be taken out with more surgical munitions like patriot missiles.

idk, why didn't you use nukes on vietnam?
maybe because attacking a shithole country for no reason then slaughtering the civilians is too evil for even the barely white muttmericans

>>542414615
Based retard give me a "no u" card like the double digit iq subhuman that he is
>should
>could
The right word for your retarded statement is "wish", because that's what you want, not something that anyone could or should.
But your intelligence is less than of a chimpanzee, so that's your best

>>542414991
>Pretending Iran is in any way as innocent or capable as Vietnam
America vs. Iran is empire versus empire, one beingthe obvious weaker one does not change that.

>>542415062
Always funny when types like you rage so impotently and still try to accuse others of being emotional chimps.

>>542415184
You're not an emotional chimpanzee, you're a dumb chimpanzee.
You're too dumb that you think me calling out your retarded statement, stems from my sympathy for civilians in Iran, while in fact it comes from your lack of understanding about detonating a nuclear bomb in 21st century.
You're too retarded to understand that nuking , far more than being a military operation, is a political operation

>>542415620
>Waaaah
Lmao

All this pretense and you still have no content, no argument, no substance.
Still your impotent emotion.

>>542414092
>D day was a surprise

>>542413468
because they're extremely easy to shoot down

>>542414067
Because nuking them won’t even work they allready operate like a nuclear war allready happend and then they will blow up the entire gulf killing the petrodollar instantly which is the only real power muttland still has. Just leave and declare victory

>>542413468
Iran still has air defence missiles, and a b52 is probably the easiest manned combat aircraft in the US inventory to shoot down. They're also really expensive, and there actually aren't that many of them left.

>>542413468
They did you dumbfuck.

>>542413468
>heavy
>slow
>old

That shit will get blown out the sky the moment it leaves the airfield

>>542416091
Nah, nukes are the god killers, it's literally their whole point.
No faith survives seeing all it believed in being evaporated in a pillar of flame that sunders the sky.

Hell it even worked like that before nukes were a thing, back then volcanic eruptions were attributes to their gods dying to the new ones.

>>542413468
Drones op.

>>542415923
You think the only thing that might stop USA from nuking Iran is the threat of retaliation, either by Iran or by other nuclear powers, but since Iran has no substantial power and since China and Russia won't retaliate on behalf of Iran , then it's all fine and ready for USA to nuke Iran now.

I'm just laughing.
How can someone be so simple, so naive,...

>>542414092
Impossible they don’t have the assets to do it and even if by a miracle they land without getting blown out of the water you can’t resupply them. It’s a kamikazi mission.

>>542416336
Still seeing only pretense there mate, just your emotions as i pointed out plenty of times already.

Maybe you should hire some more shills to pretend nukes aren't real.

>>542416285
This just isn’t true the rocket cities buried deep under the granite mountains will be unaffected they will keep launching rockets and drones and will actually build nukes in record time if they don’t allready have them. And this playing with a nuclear Armageddon only a fool would even think about it.

>>542414278
>The B-52 is a high altitude bomber saturating areas with large volumes of imprecise munitions
you sure? i thought they already converted all the b-52s into missile carriers

>>542416661
Well that's obviously just cope, even just nonnuckear bunker busters had them scrambling to save their uranium from destruction, but it is also besides the point of nuclear weapons as i described them: You would not fire them at such things, but rather at their cities.

Imagine in example Qom, people reduced to shadows to stain the ruins after fire has sundered the heavens over it, rendering life there permanently stained.

Muslims would merely be the somanieth in the world to realise that man commands the divine wrath they tried to threaten their enemies with.
And there's no threat of nuclear armageddon when nuking a country like Iran, it has even less friends and allies than Ukraine and if you wanna be pedantic you can literally use a nuke to destroy a nuke, rendering it even compliant with international law.

>>542414092
>Mass air cav assault
>Lose tons of equipment and men just to get, let's be generous, 15,000 troops on the ground.
>Surviving assault units come under immediate and endless drone attack.
>Starts a 5-7 day timer at best, before they run out of food, water, and ammunition. Resupply will be almost impossible.
>Eventually engaged by land forces significantly larger than your own.
>End with tens of thousands of dead soldiers, for no gain at all.

I have no doubt Israel is trying to rope our compromised politicians into this, but it would be political suicide for basically anyone even remotely involved. 20k dead soldiers in a delusional suicide attack is probably something like 200k surviving friends and family who will be absolutely enraged. All of whom have their own friend and family networks who would be amenable to being talked into voting against anyone involved.

>>542413468
because it would be shot down. haven't you realized that all of our attacks are from offshore missile platforms or unmanned drones -- and when we did venture into their airspace with manned aircraft (the failed nuclear raid), we were utterly raped?

>>542417072
>20k dead soldiers in a delusional suicide attack
stop stop i can only get so erect

>>542416940
This just means you don’t understand physics and how fucking indestructible a km of granite is you need to plop 30 bunker busting nukes in the same hole to even make a difference and if you really believe this retarded bs of a nuke being used stays in Iran and will not have a domino effect well you don’t live in reality

>>542414067
>Just use nukes bro
Great, lets start a second nuclear arms race but this time every shithole from Amsterdam to Timbuktu will try to get some.

I hope you enjoy your country getting irradiated by dirty bombs bevause sone warlord was selling enriched plutonium to make 30€ on the side.

>>542416940
>We should set a precedent that the unrestricted use of nuclear weapons is totally fine, even on population centers.
>All to fight Israels war for them.
I don't need early life to tell what you are. The only ones delusional enough to call for nuclear strikes are all retarded chosenites.
At best, we become a pariah on the world state, at worst, it proves beyond a doubt that any country with pissrael problems needs to nuke up instantly. Turkey, probably Egypt, Iraq, Iran. All of them would be running a crash program to get a working device. Someone will almost certainly first strike Israel, or retaliate when they schizo out and try to attack another random country.

The only sane, self interested path forward for the US is to launch an immediate, and massive nuclear strike on Israel as soon as we can identify the location of their illegal nuclear weapons and neutralize them. It explicitly cuts our ties to chosenites, and mends diplomacy with the middle east.

you can't even fly f-35s over iran without a considerable risk you faggot

>>542417246
...Uh huh, hence the Iranian flight from these indestructible fortresses?

I dunno if it was today or yesterday but Israel annihilatedsome underground complex with 1100 tonnes oftnt worth of explosives, registering as a 4,1 earthquake throughout Lebanon.

And that's just the nonnuclear stuff.

But hey, by all means dig deeper.

>>542413468
>carpet bombing
>on a target that has mostly bunkers spread by several miles
Gonna need way more bombs than this.

>>542417348
> Great, lets start a second nuclear arms race but this time every shithole from Amsterdam to Timbuktu will try to get some
This gonna happen now regardless don’t want to get fucked by Israel/US or whoever you got to have nukes. The new nuclear umbrella that’s being made is the beginning of it.

>>542413468
Why should you? There's no war, never was.

>>542417348
Oh no, not the literal equaliser that takes care of literally any horde ever.

What sets Europe apart is we never relied on numbers, nukes are literally the least dangerous to us.

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>>542417485
Okey your actually retarded or super naive don’t care not worth my time.

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>>542413468
>we

>>542413468
Chinese MANPAD that the Iranian uses have an IR seeker, radar stealth won't help, if you fly too low and get in range. We're out of standoff munitions, so the only choice is to fly close and low, to drop dumb bombs, which put our aircraft in range of those MANPAD.

>>542417377
Oh relax it's literally unnecessary as i have pointed out plenty of times now, plus you can't seriously pretend that bothering this many people in one move means it is Israel that is the reason you sandniggers are getting fried.

But with that out of the way nukes literally permit the ones to trivially deal with any that tries to get it, plus who cares of Israel gets nuked?

Also muh pariah, as chanceless a bit of emotional whinery against Iran as against Israel as against the USA or any other.

>>542417658
Sure buddy, anything to preserve your belief in the copeaganda.

>>542414240
Let me see, did this approach work in Vietnam....

Someone help me out here? What happened after Linebacker II?

>>542418177
>We totally are like Vietnam and Afghanistan
How cute that the little islamic empire that thought it could pretends to be a grave of empires.
The irony of Iran is that it has more in common withthe USA than with those.

>>542416831
Correct, the B52 is getting new heavy pylons installed and will be able to carry the AIM 424 deployed last month. As well as any other large AGM.

>>542414417
Worked on Japan. During WW2 they were a theocracy, living under their godlike emperor and military rule. Highly motivated they'd kamikaze and suicide bomb american targets just like Iranians terrorists and proxy groups. A couple correctional nukes would set them straight.

>>542414417
Who can stop us? Russia? China? If they even look at us funny Ukraine and Taiwan would have Minutemen, Sentinals, and B-2, F-35 loaded out with nukes the very next day.

If China could take Taiwan they would have already.
If Russia could take Ukraine they would have already.

Fucking brainwashed boomers think they can retaliate in any meaningful way. What happened to Syria? Did Putin suddenly sprout extra arms and save their middle eastern puppet state? Nope. Russians already overexerted themselves and couldn't do shit to save it. You think they'll bail out Iran that's currently ASSFUCKING their oil supply and economies?

>>542417072
So much migger cope ITT

>>542414092
>miggers parachuting into mountains and getting lost, starved and picked apart by FPV drones

Please do.

>>542418610
>If China could take Taiwan they would have already.
>If Russia could take Ukraine they would have already.

If America could take Iran, they would have already. Sit down migger, this your century of humilation.

>>542418177
Political enemies at home successfully demoralized the American electorate and forced the spineless political class to capitulate.

We could have carpet bombed our way to victory, a thousand communist corpses at a time

>>542418953
Unlike the former two the USA has rather clearly defined goals that do not entail conquest and as such do not necessitate invasion.

And i mean that is so incredibly obvious that it in turns makes it obvious you are the one that copes.

>>542413468
because they are to be used in a nuclear war happens, if they spunk all of them over Iran it would limit U.S response in a nuclear scenario. There was serious push back on using them over Vietnam for example back then as well.

>>542413468
I mean, we are. they're good at bigger stand-off munitions.

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>>542413468
>Why arent we using the b52 on iran ?
I'm pretty sure that B-52s have been used to launch standoff munitions, which is how all American strikes on Iran are conducted. But the B-52 cannot be used to strike Iranian targets directly because Iran has literally thousands of air defense systems and if the B52 gets attacked by one it's basically toast. The B-52 is not agile or stealthy, it's just big and can carry a lot of bombs a long way. You fly it over Tehran and picrel could be in any garage or under any tarp or whatever, so completely suppressing enemy air defenses isn't going to happen.
>>542413861
>Iranian air defenses and their IR detection system makes the usual US combat Air operation SOP of wipe out the air defenses and get total immunity from ground attacks impossible.
IR detection is not a panacea nor is it new. Also America was never able to actually wipe out air defenses and get total immunity from ground attacks, that was always just propaganda. Even during Desert Storm the USAF never managed to completely suppress Iraqi air defenses, and those were pathetic.
https://balloonstodrones.com/2022/10/19/looking-back-at-iraqi-air-defences-during-operation-desert-storm/

>>542413468
because even though it's a big ass beast, you can blow up a few of those engines and that plane is basically fucked.
any shoulder-fired shit rocket can do that. fucker flying retard high? put it on a fucking balsawood delta wing lawnmower drone, like the Russians do with their Shasneed ripoffs.

>>542419072
Tell me what the "clearly defined" goals are and how the miggers can achieve them.

Tell me how they control the Hormussy without controlling territory..

>>542418177
I mean, it killed a shit load of them, a bunch of them got shut down and retards like McCuck got bamboo shoved up their ass.
overall it did force them to negotiate with kissenjew, but ya. grand scheme they still won I guess.

>>542419257
Those lawnmower drones require more tech and infra than is readily apparant, do not discredit Russians on that.
They are not sandniggers, for the most.

>>542413468

Wouldnt be any use.

The solution is to use physical geography (iran's advantage with hormussy) against them.

Tehran has no water. Only 1 dam has a dribble in it, the rest are empty already until November. So just stop the dam and water pumping stations and pipelines working and Tehran goes dry.

Make it look like just bad machinery, but on closer examination make it look like the jews. Idiots like Smotty and Gvir will gleefully take credit for it.

>>542419302
Drive prices up for Europe until they get involved. They wanted to fuck around in Ukraine and stop Putler, so now they gotta come fuck around in Iran to stop Putler. That is the goal of the US. Drag euro trash into the desert to stop putler in Ukraine. Not even joking.

>>542419347
the only thing interesting about the Russian one is the turbojet engine. that's about it. desu that isn't even that impressive, but it's a step above over a lawnmower flinging a 2-blade prop I guess.

>>542413468
They have been, it was all over youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO9J4cqN7L0

>>542413468
Boots on the ground = a drafty draft, strategic bombing can only be done when you are absolutely sure enemies have no SAM

>>542419375
do shit like that and Iran will chimp out and bankrupt Aramco though.... Honestly wouldn't blame them. you can't go all in on genocide without expecting retaliation.

>>542413468
https://migflug.com/afterburner/de/buffs-over-iran-b-52s-now-dropping-jdams-overland/

?

>>542419302
Sure, capitulation on the subject of its claims to the strait, its nuclear program and its pawns of course.

Simple: Big cities are big burdens and 90 million peoppe in a desert country are uniquely vulnerable thanks to those very same things that make invasion unappetising, its dependancy on the gulf of Persia make it so that it effectively threatenedthe USA by threatening to cut off its own artery. Naturally the USA just said "Okay.".

Oh and then there are its exposed pawns of course that for the most serve as excellent entertainment while the siege progresses.
For the most as islamic arabia is not as effective against them as jewish Israel.

>>542419474
I know, you still need to guide and aim the thing though, and prevent it itself from getting intercepted.

So yeah: Don't underestimate the Russians.

You fuck with Iran's water and they will destroy everyones desalination plants and water reserves. You better be prepared for the biggest mass migrations in history after this.

Back in the day, 4chan could launch an operation and close pools
I dont see a single reason apart from being a BITCH that anons cant convince trump to launch a d day style operation against Iran
He is already on social media and he and his pr trannies can see the shit you send and direct him to
You can start off as a meme, an impending boots on the ground thing, threaten iran with boots on the ground, the last straw, the red line they have to cross to get a so and so, boot up their ass, talk boots, then boots on the ground, cowboy, cowboy boots, patton, trump, trump with cowboy boots, trump and patton, boots up your ass, boomers will go berserk
Make him think about the invasion and that it is expected of him
Jews needed it, jews will play along, they arent the ones to get involved

>>542419393
Europeans won't go to war in Iran you stupid migger LMAO

>>542419626
Iran it's not only desert stupid kike

>>542419805
...Why on earth would we want to aid sandniggers?
Just let Trump keep them locked up in their own pool.

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>>542419138
We don't need to spend 4,000 nukes on Iran. They only have a few hundred cities worth hitting anyways. Losing 1/3rd of their population would be an incomprehensible blow to their economy, military and country as a whole. There is no case or precedence they'd hold out that long anyways. The longest a nation has ever lasted under atomic siege was 2 nukes. We can always rearm and make more nukes anyways. Nukes have a shelf life of ~ 10 years before they need to be used or recycled so they're always being remade anyways, it's not like it's lost technology.

>>542418610
You're just saying the same shit that this retard >>542414067 has already said.
You both don't even understand what nukes are for and their rule in geopolitical games.
For you retards, it's just another bomb, a big bomb,... that goes... BOOM.
That's how retarded you are.

>>542419840
Duh, it is however famously dependant as all those countries that can easily be referred to as desert countries are.
Don't be such a literalist nigger.

>>542413468
We are/were

>>542419917
Still seething over not being able to produce even a feeble argument i see.

>>542413468
because using cheap planes and cheap bombs to blow up industry makes too much sense

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>>542419899
>We
Who is this "we" you keep talking about man? Trump and you? Americans? Jews?

>>542419805
You would need at LEAST one million us soldiers in the gulf and the enite navy there and that can't be done in secret for that plan to have some chance of working, 1000+ km of coastline, mountainous coastline at that

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>>542419257
>any shoulder-fired shit rocket can do that.
the B-52 can fly higher than any MANPADS can reach. Even the Verba, which has a pretty high flight ceiling for a MANPADS only has about a third of the flight ceiling of the B-52. So you'd need something slightly bigger than a MANPADS to take out a B-52. Iran has literally thousands of I-Hawk clones though, so they're set on that.
>put it on a fucking balsawood delta wing lawnmower drone, like the Russians do with their Shasneed ripoffs.
The Shasneed-136 has a service ceiling of about 4km, so you're still about 5km short.
>>542419375
>Tehran has no water. Only 1 dam has a dribble in it, the rest are empty already until November. So just stop the dam and water pumping stations and pipelines working and Tehran goes dry.
Iran has plenty of water, you're retarded.

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Bombing sand and rocks to make you feel better? Ground invasion or consneed defeat, you're choice.

>>542416940
Which is your cope, the Jewmericans dropped multiple times GBU-57s, they simply can't penetrate deep enough even though trying different angles and the Jewmericans cant focus on producing that solely, albeit their stockpile on that running out, they'd have to focus their entire mil industry in producing those, leaving short interceptors and others.

Jewmericans gonna lose this one, but I do hope they send boots to Iran, I wanna see the human shield of the jews gored. The jew shall witness the terror darkening the skies of its jewmerican golem, I want the jew to taste fear first

>>542420112
Oh sure, just sent Iranians scrambling to evacuate their uranium because they themselves did not believe the cope you pretend to fall for.

You know, i don't care much for Israel but when i can measure their nonnuclear attacks on the Richter scale that does entertain me a little.

>>542419944
USA niggers just can't into war since their nation is a mutt nation fighting all wars for jews therefore fighting like their life depends on it just won't work, don't care how many bombs they use

>>542420067
S75 can be hidden in a fake house, it will obliterate any strategic bomber, even with b52s ecm, it's a saclos missile, even a baby can guide it

>>542420256
I would agree but Trump did make meaningful changes in that regard, gone are their days of mindless theatric shock and awe andrelian e on wunderwaffen.

Now they strategy and patience.

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>>542413468
BECAUSE WERE NOT SERIOUS ABOUT IRANNY

B52S CAN BE USED TO GREAT EFFECT IN COMBINED ARMS BLITZKRIEG AND THEN IRANNY WOULD BE LONGER

AMERICA CAN STEAMROLL IRANNY EASILY IF AMERICA DECIDES TO
KEEP TALKING SHIT IRANNYS WHERES THE NEW LEGO MOVIE

>>542418356
Incomprehensible KGB glowposting.

>>542420243
>i don't care much for Israel
>capitalizes "israel"
>26 replies wanting jewmerica to nuke Iran for israshit
You ain't fooling no one rat

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>>542413468

These are some of our most-treasured, classic airframes. Do Iranians really DESERVE to be bombed by the 'good china'?

>>542420377
...KGB?
For mocking the islamic faggots cheered on by commies and allied to Russia?

Good luck with the recovery of that damagetoyour brain.

>>542418478
>AIM 424
Useless, Iran has no air force.
>Carry any.other AGM.
And how deep is the magazine after 7 months of war?

>>542419521
>strategic bombing can only be done when you are absolutely sure enemies have no SAM
It can also be done if you're just willing to accept massive aircraft and pilot losses like the US did in WWII, Korea, and Vietnam.
>>542420344
>S75 can be hidden in a fake house
yep, among many other clever tricks.
>it's a saclos missile, even a baby can guide it
Ooh, have you read Mihajlo S Mihajlović's book "Missileers Against the Stealth"?

>>542413468
>Why isn't the US anything
How about Israel fights its own war
With the billions in war cash and physical material and extensive specialized training in Gaza and localized terror in the region, they are best suited to do so.
The US shouldn't be involved at all, but if it has to be, let it keep the strait open purely for business. With the president who is supposedly a business man.
Which it can't even do.
Pathetic.
We need a cleansing. We need a nationalist congress, supreme court, and president.
Single citizenship congress, court, and president.
No less to start.

>>542420386
Names are always capitalised y'know, no matter whether they upset you.

Hitler, Nasrallah, Trump, Khamenei, Xi Jinping, Mark Rutte.
Don't care who you think i care for or for who you care but that ought to cover most movements present here and thus illustrate my point.

Also again i do not favor using a nuke as it is unnecessar, i do not shyaway from pointing out that using it is just not that big a deal against Iran and such.

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>>542413468
Alternatively why don't we just import a ton of niggers into Iran
Give them Dhingys in the strait.
Paint Iranians as anti-humanitsrian if they refuse the rapefugees.
The jews are EXCEPTIONALLY good at this.
And they are smack dab in nigger territory.
Drop the nigger bombs.
Biological warfare. picrel.

>>542420663
Why not just nuke israel and we all go home happy?

>>542418177
We were sending squadrons of aircraft out with one bomb per aircraft just so they could claim a higher sortie count. That whole war was just a bundle of bureaucratic bullshit. It was only unwinnable because of the politicians and some of them were in uniform. Of course, we never should have been there in the first place, but ya gotta justify the MIC spending, so faking an attack by the Vietnamese on US forces just had to be done.

>>542413468
Iraq, UAE, Arabia, Oman, Kuwait, Turkmenistan
Didn't we have bases in most of these set up strategically?
Blown up now.
But what's the reason we didn't supersonic missile Iran into the stone age?
Or what's the reason Israel didn't?
We could pull a Jew move and say it was Iranian missiles fired from US bases. Or Israel bases next to US bases and fired from the Israel bases.
Enabling Israel, but claiming the Jew, "we weren't the ines who hit you with the stick. We gave the nigger the stick, but that's not a crime. Hate the nigger who hit you with the missile not us Goy."
30 - 40 years of getting bases set up and this president blows it.
What a train wreck.

>>542420984
Because i have no nukes and if i did i would nuke muslims, as i prefer to target of the issue.

>>542420984
>>542421105
Because i have no nukes and if i did i would nuke muslims, as i prefer to target *the root* of the issue.

Not sure what keeps eating the words i type

>>542421105
No shit kike remember to wear you diaper in the bunker when Iran strikes again

>>542414240
Nice AI. God, I can't wait until new fags get bored of coming here.

>>542421241
Oh please their stuff hasn't managed to leave the Middle East, they couldn't hit me no matter how badly they would want to.

Whereas all things considered i can literally just toss some money at the USA to toss an extra bomb on Iran with my compliments.

>>542419980
I produce argument only when I want to argue with someone, and I argue with someone who I see as my equal.
You're not my equal, you are beneath me.
You are a literal chimpanzee who knows how to solve captcha.
When you're so stupid that you don't even know the purpose of nukes , there's no point in arguing.
I just read your posts and laugh. :)

>>542420044
3 million combat boots for rotation atleast that’s never gonna happen without a draft.

>>542421452
What a roundabout way to dance around the fact you're just some pretentious emotional nothing.

>>542421241
Funny thing about pissrael is that, unlike Iran, you don't need to nuke several of their major cities or blow up tens of power plants and desalination plants.
Pissrael is literally two power plant and one desalination plant away from becoming uninhabitable, and you don't even need a nuke or some shit.
That's why they pulled out.
They really can't risk it.

>>542421016
>We were sending squadrons of aircraft out with one bomb per aircraft just so they could claim a higher sortie count.
The NVA air force and air defenses remained formidable throughout the war. If your anecdote is true, which wouldn't surprise me, it was probably done against targets with poor air defenses in order to hide the fact that the USAF couldn't operate as freely over Vietnam as they liked to pretend. Or it was done because the planes could only carry one bomb while remaining agile enough to come back alive, and the idea that they were doing it to inflate sortie counts was cope. I'll have to look into that, it sounds interesting, do you have a source by any chance?
>That whole war was just a bundle of bureaucratic bullshit.
So you're saying if the US had a totally different military with different officers, different structure, different doctrine, and different equipment, it could have won Vietnam?
>It was only unwinnable because of the politicians and some of them were in uniform.
No, it was just plain unwinnable. Even if you could magically divorce the military situation from the political one, the US military was never in a position to conquer North Vietnam.

>>542413861
>IR detection
I mean... I've spent literally two decades wondering why the entire world didn't go all in on fucking TV remote tech on their defense/offense grids because it's literally not possible to outsmart.
>F35 has every countermeasure and jamming suites known to man.
>It's still a fucking object that blocks light
Fucking kek

>>542413861
Is this that f35 that's the size of a city?

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>>542413468
>we
go fuck yourself faggot

>>542421951
I got that reference kek

Gonna get some snacks, latah

>>542421543
Why don't you jew do it then? You have nukes. Just nuke Iran and that's it.

>>542421727
Retard take. We could have leveled the entire Indochinese peninsula

>>542421727
>US military was never in a position to conquer North Vietnam.
This desu.
It's easy to look at the "devastation" wrought upon the Vietnamese by the U.S military - and indeed, the images of desolation are jarring - but people don't realize just how fucking pale they are in comparison to what ACTUALLY has to be done to subjugate a country.

Take Germany. The literal, entire northern world had to come together to put them down and they had to make Hell look like Heaven to do it. Then they had to rape/kill any future lineages of war out of the gene pool.

Japan is another example, though slightly different. Their fate was two or three nukes per week for the rest of the year if they didn't capitulate, so they did.

That's what it takes to break a country. Opening the gates to someone worse than Hell.
Absolutely ANYTHING short of that will fail/is purely theatre to make money.

>>542420502
Dunno man, I was answering the other guy's question. The B52 can do standoff munitions and we still have an MIC lol

>>542422299
>TLDR; America simply cannot subjugate Iran without every other developed country on board and invading at the same time.
Which obviously isn't going to happen

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>>542413621
>a civilian oil tanker
The oil companies own the governments stupid. There are no "civilian" oil tankers.

>>542420367
You can't do what you did in Iraq any more. You had a WWII military fighting a WWI military. Now you have a 20th century WWII/cold war military fighting a 21st century military and you can't adapt due to MIC corruption and trading your industrial base for finance and being dependent on supply chains in a foreign country that has cut you of from critical materials.

>>542414067
>USA nukes Iran
>Russia says bet and nukes Ukraine
>China threatens to nuke Taiwan, they surrender and join
>North Korea nukes South Korea and now is whole Korea

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>>542421517
That's about 1% of the whole US population, and we're talking about doing that for what is the most unpopular war in modern American history in the background of a looming economic depression. Even with a draft we're talking about rounding up something like 20% of the military aged male population, spending like 6 months training them, and then trying to move that massive number of men to Iran. Where in the middle east would you stage all those 3 million men? How would you get them from there to Iran? You'd end up needing a lot more than 3 million, since you'd have lines of communication about a thousand miles long which would need defending. The logistical undertaking that would be required to actually invade Iran is just not within the capacity of the United States right now.
>>542421863
>I mean... I've spent literally two decades wondering why the entire world didn't go all in on fucking TV remote tech on their defense/offense grids because it's literally not possible to outsmart.
Lots of reasons, clouds are a big one. Also visual tracking of aircraft at long range is difficult. I live somewhat near an airport that the air national guard sometimes trains at, and I can't imagine how hard it would be to keep track of all the planes optically. The best solution is a combination of Radar, IR, optical, and even systems which detect the sounds of aircraft. First you use strategic radar systems to spot things at long range, then you assign closer assets to track them and get a better fix on them, and further down the chain are the systems used to target them and ultimately destroy them. If you're interested in the topic of modern air defenses, the author Mihajlo S Mihajlović's book "Defending Putin's Empire: Russia's Air Defense System" is a good place to start. The Russian air defense system should be studied, since it is indisputably the most advanced in the world.

>>542419393
>S-s-ave me from the War I started :(((

Lol.

>>542413468
why would we? whats left to bomb that for sure is irgc and not some poor non-hater mudniggers hovel?

>>542413468
The rock lobster in our love shack keeps gettin' nothing but static.

>>542413468
>Why arent we using the b52 on iran ?
mountain too Grug
angry bird useless

>>542419393
>Drag euro trash into
if we must get dragged into anything
it will be into fighting pidor, not Iran
how retarded are you?

>>542413694
It has the United Shabbos of Amerigolem to fight wars not on it's borders for them.

>>542419051
>Political enemies at home successfully demoralized the American electorate
... and you think the kikes didn't do that ten time over to current day America?

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>>542413468
B-52s were used extensively in the March/April phase of the war, mainly to launch JASSM missiles. The US fired over a thousand JASSM missiles at Iran.

drones and missiles are the new meta. No more guns.

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>>542421727
>do you have a source by any chance?
I saw it on a documentary a long time ago, but it just stuck with me. I was in Air Force aviation from the 90s to the 10s and I saw a lot of wasteful shit and we were also frequently held back from doing exactly what we needed a lot of the time. I was constantly reminded of that documentary of how we waged war in Vietnam.

As for the rest, if we had gone scorched earth on them from the start, the war might have dragged on to some extent, the majority of their population would have been decimated, so their pool of soldiers and their industrial base wouldn't have been able to do shit. Of course, there would still be the Soviets supplying them with at least some weapons and personnel, so I'm not saying it would have been over in two weeks.

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>>542416940
It's evident that American bunker busters can't destroy Iranian missile bases. The Americans threw everything non-nuclear at these bases for 40 days, and yet the Iranian bases kept launching.

Nukes probably wouldn't do much either. America's Raven Rock complex is about 200m below the mountain peak. This is where the alternate Pentagon is located, so the Americans apparently expect it to be able to resist any nuke the Russians or Chinese could throw at it. Most Iranian missile bases are more than 200 m below the mountain peak.

>>542419375
Or the US could just drop a nuke on Tehran. The problem remains the same: Iran will retaliate.

>>542416661
nukes are capable of shattering an entire mountain
>>542416940
chemical explosives are not capable of shattering an entire mountain

>>542417485
The Israelis destroyed that underground complex in Lebanon by conquering it with infantry (which took weeks) and then putting those explosives inside the tunnels

>>542425283
With what? How? Are they going to ineffectually shoot some more drones at the ocean?
Iran has been "retaliating" this entire boondoggle and to what effect? Broke some glass in israel, moved some sand in jordan. Their material victories are so rare and minor it boggles the mind how asymmetric the damage has been.

>>542420112
everyone knows how deep its possible for a weapon of that design and size to penetrate, including the iranian engineers designing the mountain fortresses

>>542414067
Pakistan would nuke israel

>>542413468
Because strategic bombers stopped being viable by late WW2, anything can shoot them down from late ww2 tech onwards.

There's a reason we haven't made any b52s since the early cold War. Congress won't fund a brand new light tank, why would they fund some flying scrap heap

>>542425583
Iran's obvious retaliation step would be to fire ballistic missiles at refineries, petrochemical plants, natural gas liquefaction trains, data centers, power plants and desalination plants of GCC states and Israel. The final retaliation step would be to build nukes and fire nuclear-armed missiles at the major cities of GCC states and Israel.

Iran's ability to retaliate is the reason why "bridge and power plant day" was cancelled and remains cancelled

>Broke some glass in israel, moved some sand in jordan.
Not sure what universe you've been living in for the last 15 months.

For example, after Iranian gas infrastructure was bombed, Iran struck at gas infrastructure in the region, for example the liquefaction trains in Qatar.
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/iran-attack-damage-wipes-out-17-qatars-lng-capacity-three-five-years-qatarenergy-2026-03-19/

Another example, after Trump announced the upcoming "bridge and power plant day", the Iranians fired right next to Israel's Orot Rabin power plant, to prove they could hit it.

Refineries and other high-value targets across the region were hit by Iran in March/April this year. This is a major contributing factor to why diesel prices are so high right now.

In recent days, Iranian-origin missiles fired from Yemen have been striking Saudi refineries and the East-West oil pipeline.

And back in 2025, Iran hit Haifa refinery.

>>542424967
>I saw it on a documentary a long time ago, but it just stuck with me.
Man do I ever know that feeling
>if we had gone scorched earth on them from the start, the war might have dragged on to some extent, the majority of their population would have been decimated, so their pool of soldiers and their industrial base wouldn't have been able to do shit. Of course, there would still be the Soviets supplying them with at least some weapons and personnel, so I'm not saying it would have been over in two weeks.
I think you're underestimating North Vietnamese air defenses, and also the difficulty of decimating their civilian population. They had access to the best equipment in the world at the time and those air defenses were backed by a competent air force with a lot of real deal Soviet pilots flying some of the latest the Soviets had at the time. The civilian population that you're suggesting attacking through that nightmare of air defense was largely agrarian instead of being concentrated in cities. Said agrarian population also means that destroying their agricultural base to starve them out wasn't feasible either, since bombing the fields wouldn't do much. Even if the agriculture was taken out, the Soviet Union probably could have replaced most of it with food aid. So really we're back to a ground campaign to invade North Vietnam, through a mountainous jungle, mostly without heavy equipment.
>>542425109
>the Americans apparently expect it to be able to resist any nuke the Russians or Chinese could throw at it.
Not really. It's more like the Americans decided that if the Russians and Chinese really want a specific underground structure dead with nukes, they can't stop them, so the choice was made that in the event of a nuclear war the US government would rely on a redundant chain of command. I personally don't think it was as futile as they concluded, but that was their reasoning.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_plane

>>542426378
If an underground facility can't resist a big enough nuclear attack, then what would even be the point of an underground command center? You're just spending a lot of money to gather a large number of commanders and staff in one known location where they're easy to target.

The major nuclear powers, who know more about nukes than anyone else, believe underground command centers can resist nuclear attack, as evidenced by the fact that they keep using underground command centers.

>>542426378
>>542426599
Also, the use of airborne command posts doesn't prove underground command centers are useless. Using both is just prudent redundancy, especially since it is easier to communicate from an airplane by radio, whereas underground command centers use stationary antennas that could be damaged by enemy strike. Even buried VLF antennas and communication cables could be damaged.

>>542425583
>With what? How?
Insurance companies and oil tanker charterers really don't like the risk of their ships being hit at all. This has happened before with the same outcome in regards to insurance rates per hull per trip into the strait, and the resulting tripling cost of middle-east oil, during the Iran-Iraq war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanker_war#1984 . This effects the USA as a form of economic as oil is a global commodity and the USA nationalizing their oil companies to keep their half-priced petroleum is not yet in the cards.

>>542426320
>Iran's ability to retaliate is the reason why "bridge and power plant day" was cancelled and remains cancelled
Bridge and powerplant day was probably always intended as a bluff, since standoff munition stockpiles were running extremely low and whatever happened with that WSO demonstrated that attempts to continue with less long ranged weapons would be a disaster. The US stopped because it literally couldn't continue at that pace.
>>542426599
>If an underground facility can't resist a big enough nuclear attack, then what would even be the point of an underground command center?
I appreciate that you asked that question, since the answer is really interesting. The answer is that in nuclear strategy you don't assign one warhead per target, you assign enough that you reach what your planners consider an acceptable probability of destruction for each target. An underground command center, should the enemy choose to engage it, would be what is called in nuclear strategy a "warhead sink" which means that if one target takes more and/or bigger nukes to take out, then those warheads are not assigned to other targets. Let's imagine that the underground command center is expected to require 2 warheads to cause damage to, due to being so tough, then let's assume you need to hit it in 5 places to collapse all of it, then we account for the fact that ICBMs are not perfectly accurate, and thus you need some redundancy to account for misses, so let's say you assume 2 warheads for each part of the complex, then we need to account for the possibility that some of the ICBMs will fail to launch before the enemy manages to launch a counterforce strike which disables them, so we add another warhead per location. Pretty quickly you get up to 50 or so nuclear weapons just to be pretty sure one place was taken out. That's why nuclear arsenals got so huge during the cold war.

>>542426599
>You're just spending a lot of money to gather a large number of commanders and staff in one known location where they're easy to target.
Who said anything about easy? Underground command centers are incredibly tough nuts to crack. They're just not invincible.
>The major nuclear powers, who know more about nukes than anyone else, believe underground command centers can resist nuclear attack
No, they think they have made their nuclear command centers resistant enough to nuclear attack that the enemy will choose to allocate their warheads elsewhere. That's a different thing from being able to truly resist nuclear attack.
>>542426864
>the use of airborne command posts doesn't prove underground command centers are useless.
I did not say or imply that they were useless. I just said that they didn't expect them to be able to resist any nuke the Russians or Chinese could throw at them. Those are very different things.

>>542427864
>I did not say or imply that they were useless. I just said that they didn't expect them to be able to resist any nuke the Russians or Chinese could throw at them. Those are very different things.
No, they're pretty much the same thing. Nukes are the only real threat to US bunkers like Raven Rock, Cheyenne Mountain and Mount Weather. If they can't resist nuclear attack then they're not just useless, they're worse than useless because you're putting a lot of politicians, commanders and staff in locations where they are easily killed

>>542427589
>since standoff munition stockpiles were running extremely low
Only a few hundred cruise missiles would be needed to strike Iranian power plants, so the US has ample munitions left for this.

> in nuclear strategy you don't assign one warhead per target, you assign enough that you reach what your planners consider an acceptable probability of destruction for each target.
This is due to CEP and interceptors, not the size of the blast

>An underground command center, should the enemy choose to engage it, would be what is called in nuclear strategy a "warhead sink"
More likely you'd use one very powerful nuke. Also, a national command center along with its inhabitants is not a sacrificial pawn that you trade for some enemy warheads, and if it was, you'd have built dozens of them.