So why are birth rates still falling?
Asian women aren't attracted to asian men.
They have the ability to gradually ratchet things up
China is too conservative with it's sexuality. They have a wait until marriage attitude with sex and the men have to jump through too many hoops to finally have sex, so they just don't bother.that's why they get shocked when an American guy comes in and doesn't care about social norms and can get sex easily there.
>>542422599Most women don't want most men.
>>542422599Only one thing matters for birth rates and that's womens rights. As long as they have them they aint having kids.
>>542422599>two more weeks till chink collapse! Surely this time it’ll be true. Let’s just wait like we always have
>>542422599The mouse utopia experiment explains it 100% accurate. Life cannot survive living in cities with technology.
>>542422599ban foid education and ban them from getting jobs. problem solved overnight >>542423170there is some truth to this. chink foids have an expectation that you'll get married before sex, and to get married they want you to own property.
the education to profession path is a lottery that most will lose, but they'd still risk it over being a stay at home mom it's pretty fucking simple to understand: stop educating women if you want the birthrates to increase yeah, it's fucked up, but it is what it is
>>542422599Kids are annoying and expensive and effective birth control is cheap and widely available. Everyone was talking about overpopulation and the Earth running out of resources and how automation and AI was going to eliminate huge swaths of jobs, turning billions of people into excess useless eaters, but now it's all oy vey muh birthrates are decreasing.Muh falling birth rates is just a jew psyop to justify the mass importation of millions of brown shitskins for the real purpose of White replacement. Incels took the bait because they think the solution to this made up "problem" somehow involves them getting a free virgin tradwife assigned to them by the State so they will be able to overcome their sexual frustration without ever having to face their fears or going outside of their comfort zone and doing something scary like talking to girls or potentially getting rejected. You just have Avoidant Personality Disorder and are trying to cope by focusing on the Chink birth rate instead of the fact that you are a terminally online shut-in with no social life.
It turns out that restricting male behavior does not solve birth rate issues, only restricting female behavior can solve them.
>>542422599>did everything right >forced abortions for a generation for everyone!Nah
Why don't they just mandate state enforced coupling and reproduction? Lets see how totalitarian they really are
>>542422599Because "low birth rates" is the most bullshit made up problem ever
>>542422599China is trooning out to a decadent western lifestyle at record speed. They like to act like they are disciplined and organized but their society is degenerating fast. All kinds of weird plastic surgery, feminism and odd trends emerging...I'm sure the CCP isn't pleased but it's getting out of their hands. They are becoming like Japan but are flush with economic growth, accelerating the process.
Women never wanted kids, they just didn't have goy daycare back in the day.If women could have written parchments full of their retarded ideas and received bags full of gold coins in return we would not have made it out of the middle ages.
>>542423703This, but sadly politicians are retarded psychopaths so it's only going to get worse for men in China.
>>542422599“Women have more options now” is what many women say, tacitly admitting that marriage and motherhood, to them, is merely a grift, little different from their email jobs. Females have no particular loyalty toward humanity, race, or nation, and in aggregate they will not serve any of these things unless forced either incidentally or as a matter of policy.
>>542422599Why does it matter they are automating their way to fully automated luxury communism. Stinky amerifats will never understand
>>542422599So they banned>video games (majority male pursuit)>incel content (majority male pursuit)>porn (majority male pursuit)Hmmm did they try banning anything women are into, like murdering children, working worthless jobs or whoring themselves?
>>542422599>China did everything right>So why are birth rates still falling?because falling birth rates is a good thing? you answered your own question. having a gorillion people competing for the same resources and jobs = absolute hellhole dystopia. lower population will lead to a higher qol in general for the average guy. maybe not for the super rich.
>>542422599Humans are still 80% ooga booga. And nobody is accounting for this.In Afghanistan 50% of marriages are with under 18s. The women can't go to school. Afghanistan has the highest birth rate in the world outside of Africa.People don't realize that society is becoming more and more unnatural. Groups that still use a traditional gender structure are doing fine. The Amish are doing fine. The Afghanis are doing fine. It tells you a lot. The minute you send your women off to work in the factories your group is over. The minute you start treating women just like men and giving them all the same responsibilities, they're no longer able to be mothers.
Who gives a shit about birthrates? Look at india and africa and tell me how overpopulation is good
>>542424089Nah, they get free state sponsored abortions. It’s a real mystery.
>>542424089Ackshually they did change their divorce laws so now it's harder for women to divorce rape men in China and what do you know, it gave women even less incentive to marry! Who'd have thought!
>>542422599maybe they need to keep giving women more privileges and punishing sexless men, that will surely reverse things
>>542424201Yeah, we gotta stop incels from watching porn and playing video games, I'm sure that will make women fuck them.
>>542424185Not gonna be able to colonize the stars with that attitude homeboy.
>>542422599>even with punishing men, punishing men, punishing men and punishing men, women still don't want children
>>542422599We might just need to accept that people for whatever reason don't want children and it is completely outside our control.
>>542423295>>542423497>>542423581Somehow Jewish women are educated and have many children
>>542424181>People don't realize that society is becoming more and more unnatural. No, the real issue is that Zoomers think human history only began in 1995 and don't realize that all of these big unnatural changes that they think are a sudden and current problem really happened 50+ years before they were born and have actually been extremely stable since then.
>>542424706*modern people living in extremely dense urban environmentsSpoiler, ultra orthodox Jews living in the same conditions are suspiciously the only ethnic group to be able to achieve above replacement birthrates. The Africans and Amish birthrates would be cratered if you stuck them in NYC, Tokyo, or Tel Aviv. But the Haredim just keep chugging along, backyards and chicken coops and freedom be damned.
>>542422599>birth rates still fallingThey're hatching them baby bugs in the USA for free citizenship from my traitor government, then flying back to the nest to raise those drone fucks.
>>542423458It was dystopia, that's why it's accurate.
>>542424706>people don’t want childrenWomen don’t want children>it’s outside of our controlWomen wanting things isn’t necessary. It’s kind of their thing.
Source? Not even in the tweet. That graphic is made in MS paint
>>542424909If the solution is to return to monkey I don't see that as a solution at all
>>542422599hey goy, don't look at problems in your home, just look how chinks are suffering
>>542425051Are monkeys religious? Because that appears to be the only flavor of human that can breed continuously at replacement rate. Makes one wonder why the current church of science is insufficient; if anything, I would think the advances in science and technology should make that church's "adherents" more fertile. Ah well.
>>542424706>>542425051Why not dial back women's rights a tad? You know, to a time before they could just murder their kids?
Working 996 doesn't give you much time to fug
>>542422599>everything righthahahah. try harder.
>>542422599>trust this rando graph, broNo thanks, polcels were crying the 3 gorges dam would break any minute but it never did
>>542425187>Are monkeys religious?Yeah actually.>>542425197There is nothing we can do.
>>542422599>not being extremely overpopulated and transitioning towards automation is a bad thingnever ceases to amaze me how fucking dumb the gdp line goyim can be, China has a prosperous future ahead. The white retard who made that post is the one that needs to breed (assuming he can find a girl not caught in the kike feminism trap)
>>542423877At least in China there's an engineering/innovation core and lack of Western morality that won't inhibit them from cloning and artificial womb technology. American men are facing obsolescence informed by mass migration, wealth redistribution schemes, and a feminist legal and social environment. The Chinese are better off by the mere fact that they banned OnlyFans and passed legislation that holds women accountable for initiating divorce.
>>542422599>China did everything rightDid the abolish women rights?
>>542422599Arranged marriage is the only one that works longterm insentient species.Pre industrial revolution we had something similar in the west. The births in europe were already in freefall before the WW.
>>542422599>So why are birth rates still falling?Every little girl alive on planet Earth grows up not alone, but surrounded by others. Some her age, many more older than her. If those other females do not want children, this little girl will learn to not want them as well. It's contagious. In China, she doesn't see an aunt with many children (her mother was an only child due to state policy). She doesn't have any siblings (illegal until quite recently). Chinese parents are supposed to spend inordinate sums preparing and educating their children. Fewer children equals less cost. What's even less than one child? Zero children.And it can't ever recover. Never. One might think that this little girl is the product of a mother who wanted a child. For the sake of the argument, consider that true... it doesn't change anything. Even when she's 20, she will be surrounded by tens of millions of other women, who don't want children (whether or not they had them). Thus it's not a selection pressure, because those born of higher fertility lineages are still subject to the same cultural pressures that caused others to be childless. It won't ever self-correct. The economic effects of a shrinking population will devastate the Chinese. Supposedly, bad economies discourage having children... but then that will further shrink the population, which will worsen the economy, which will discourage children, which will shrink the population, which will worse the economy. On and on it goes.
Nobody here has any chance of understanding any foreign country desu. Most bizarre answers I've seen.Asia is a land of casual sex btw.
>>542426493Do you think whales have arranged marriages?
>>542425360Really? You can't think of anything? Not even the slightest backpedal into sanity?
>>542426678vaguepost KING
>>542426890His job is to demean and demoralize, get his paycheck, and then go home to his four (4) wives and fifteen (15) children.It does pain me to be posting in a 1pbtid thread though.
>>542424884Because they are fucking tax frauds who steal tax money and sit around all day reading the Talmud and fucking.
>>5424225992 more lifetimes until this causes them to collapse
>>542422599Who cares, robots will make everyone jobless anyways. Might as well use them for war
>>542422599Everyone knows that womens education means the birthrates tank. It happens every time, everywhere, from North Korea to Norway. No one is willing to do anything about it because restricting womens education is mean. Our species could die out in an effort to be nice.
>>542422599You need to do what Israel does. Find the people that actually want to have kids and subsidize them to have more. You are never going to pay people to start a family who don't want to
>>542422599They didn't do everything right, they give women equal rights and don't give men great authority over the family.
>>542426890If by backpedaling into sanity you mean becoming a backwards taliban state where humanity perpetually exists at a medieval level of technology, no. And human life continuing in such a state is literally not worth living. The suffering would be immense and pointless.>>542427070No. It isn't demoralizing either, you can't fix it so don't worry about it. It isn't like it will kill you.
>>542427187What about Israel?
>>542427408lol lmaolook at the guy saying all the people living in the middle ages should have killed themselves instead of discovering science, art, and reasoning beyond the likes of which modern day man could comprehend. Do you have any idea how much was accomplished with absolutely fucking nothing? How much of the night sky was charted with the naked eye?
>>542427408Technology would be superior in a male dominated anti jewish pro white society. It's just faggots like you would be sent to re-education camps or prison so you're mad about it. The suffering would be yours not society's. White people would flourish in such a system.
>>542422599Well, Ling Ling in the gym is attracted to me. I can't do anything about it since her heart said FOR YEARS that I'm the greatest white goy male that will breed her. A chink female just wants a white male.That aside, this looked at people who are between 18-24 years old, often people who are college aged. It's obvious that women that are going to college don't desire having children during their college years, which extends into their early careers as well.Same thing happened in the west. Educating women leads to reduced birthrates. But this is also true for anyone that spends years investing into education and early career development.The biggest challenge is whether a career can help people afford to have kids. If they have kids early on before their career then they're generally safe. But China and the west push people into higher education since they were small children.
>>542424884How do they have 9+ kids while working and educating themselves. Are white women full of shit?
>>542427631They had sex with Jaymal/Tyreke/Chad/Tyler at 16 to make kids, and the kids are taken care of by the grandparents while they go to school for their career.
>>542427631>How do they have 9+ kids while workingThey don't check ones that do that are all welfare maxing. When you combine them with all queers in Tel Aviv you still get a 3.0+ birthrate. But even that had its problem as Epstein admitted
>>542427631idk how much you know about the Haredi Jews, but in the rare cases where both parents aren't welfare leeches, it's 90% of the time the woman working outside the home while the man sits at home and learns from their holy book. Think of it like lions, where the female lions hunt and the male lions sit in the shade and play house.
>>542424966>Women don’t want childrenThe vast vast majority of women's biggest goal in life is to find some decent guy who is actually willing and able to settle down into a serious relationship with her that will lead to marriage and kids in the near future. And the ONLY reason they haven't done that is because they can't find a decent guy who is actually willing and able to do that with them.Anyone who isn't a complete retard about human nature knows that it's men who are the primary cause for decreases in marriage, births, etc.Incels who think that most average normal men want to get married and have kids in the near future but can't because women don't won't those things is just incel cope.And women claiming to not want to get married or have kids, is just cope by women who haven't managed to find a decent guy who is willing and able to marry them or give them kids. If/when that ever happens, all that girlboss careerlady bullshit goes out the window.
Ban bureaucrats across the globe and people might start acting normal again. Every single problem on the planet- bureaucracy. Without exception.
>>542427801>it's men who are the primary causeRunning out to bars/clubs and whoring around on Tinder isn't something that men forced a lot of women to do.Someone didn't put a gun to their head, forced them to be half naked and drunk trying to farm Izzat from the nightclub and Instaslop followers. That's largely on them.
>>542427801>decent guyHahahahaBut I do agree with your fundamental point which is that women's career ambitions go out the window when they meet a man who can sufficiently provide. The problem is the number of men who can satisfy their standards don't want 10+ wives, even though they can easily support them. Take Elon Musk on the opposite end of the scale. Yes, many women turn their noses up at him, but I can guarantee you I can find 100 women aged 20-30 who would "choose" him as an exclusive life partner in return for one billion dollaroos. But would he "choose" them in return? lol he hasn't even picked one wife, let alone 100. This problem also exists in the oil-rich muslim countries.
>>542427566And we ended up here which is good, science and discovery are all noble causes but I wouldn't want to live covered in shit, in pain, ruled over by people who think their authority comes from God, and dying at 25.>>542427582Your fanfiction is not reality.
>>542428047Ackshually wealth distribution in the middle ages was better than now and after you reached 5yo, you had an extremely likely chance of reaching 50yo. You need to pick up a history book to better appreciate the ancients.
>>542427631No, it's because that other Anon doesn't know what he is talking about. The conservative jew women who have 9+ kids and the liberal jew women who go to college are two completely different groups that have almost nothing in common other than being ethnically jewish. It's like conflating a blue haired college educated liberal White woman in California who has had 19 abortions with a White Amish woman who has 19 kids but never used a computer. The real issue isn't actually women getting an education, reduced birth rates and women getting educations are just two side effects of a country/society becoming more developed. People in less developed countries have lots of kids because they don't feel a need to spend lots of money buying them iPads and taking them to sportsball clinics, but they can use them as free child labor to increase their household income.In developed countries, people have fewer kids because kids are extremely expensive and a hassle to deal with because it's expected that you will provide them with a comfy first world lifestyle instead of just feeding them rotten beans for dinner and living in shack and dragging them into the fields to work alongside you.
>>542423497>>542423581Why would giving every woman a male slave-worker increase the birth rate? Trad-feminists are clueless.
>>542427966>Running out to bars/clubsThey go to bars and clubs because that's the main place that normal young people go to socialize and meet other normal young people. It's literally muh 3rd place that you retards insist no longer exists for some reason. >whoring around on Tinder95% of single women in the 18-30 age range never use Tinder or any other dating app.The rest of your comment is just you seething because you are an uptight boring incel, I'm not going to bother responding to it.
>>542425197>why not dial back women's rights some? I'm sorry, what? We can't define what a woman is, how do we roll back the rights of some mystery group?
>>542428631>dialing back human rights>dialing back all rightsI for one welcome our beep beep boop boop overlords.
>>542422599>what women 'want'why would anyone care
>>542422599Birth rate decline is monocausal: Female Education.In order to raise birth rates in an industrialized nation, you need to exclude a share of women from education or import sufficient amounts of uneducated women. China has the means to do either of these or use a hybrid approach, but they seem to be operating under the (western) assumption that you can educate women, extract the increased labour value, and then compel them by some means to be fertile like uneducated women. This is a mistake. Educated women would rather die than mate with a man of equal or lower social standing. They can not be compelled.
>>542422599checkedwhat few females they didn't kill during the "one child policy" years all want Big Whitu Cock and do not want Smol Chink Peepee
>>542428608>that's the main placeI go to the gym. I'm not going to some rancid bar. The bars I see often when I drive past are filled with boomers. So obviously you're lying.>95% of single women in the 18-30 age range never use Tinder or any other dating app.>https://www.forbes.com/health/dating/dating-statistics/It's 53%. Again, you're just lying.
>>542428706After the One Child Policy and its brutality and the absolute insanity of its police state during COVID, I'm sure the ride is just beginning. Another anon theorized there will soon be an official "three children or one grandparent" policy. :^)
>>542428001Yes, but you don't have to be anywhere close to Elon Musk tier to be in the same basic situation. The bar is actually insanely low, because the number of decent guys who actually have their shit together in life and are realistically willing and able to get married and have kids are vastly outnumbered by the women trying to get those guys to marry them. This is compounded by the fact that there is far less incentive for men to get married and have kids ASAP as it is for women. So a LOT of men who do get girls and could get married and have kids, and even want to get married and have kids at some point in the future, instead just fuck and have casual sex with lots of different girls because they can.
>>542427408>If by backpedaling into sanity you mean becoming a backwards taliban stateYeah lets do that, that sounds better than whatever aimless deadend shithole you're desperately shilling
>>542422599> ban pornporno is more than just a surrogate activity, it reduces the womans power over the man. most porno use is by "married" men for this reason
>>542427966>>542428941China is extremely socially conservative, and their birth rate is half that of Westerners. You have no idea what you're talking about. That’s just typical leftist incels obsessing over "Chads." High-T men are far more valuable than jealous feminist underlings.
>>542422599read Quigley
>>542423170> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8rJeiaqcoc> https://www.reddit.com/r/thepassportbros/comments/1w0gtkj/how_this_american_student_guy_slept_with/> "Chinese women are conservative with sexuality"East-Asian women won't settle for less than a BWC. China can build robots, but they will not survive the century if they don't open borders for Aryan men to impregnate their waifus.
>>542429080Yes, but the fundamental conclusion is: there are less desirable men than there are desiring women. As such, simple supply and demand means some the women who desire marriage and children will have to lower their standards. Or remain unmarried and childless, as many of them are choosing to do.
>>542422599Carrying capacity is real.Earths full.
>>542428241So should we advance as a society or go back to primitive cave times?
>>542429293False dichotomy your honor. Certain countries and groups will advance and certain countries and groups will be left behind. The Romans, Egyptians, Mayans, etc., they were all left behind. Not due to birthrate, but the end result is the same.
>>542429174So men in China are failing when there's a surplus of men for Chinese women to choose from? As a result of men in China failing, that means Chinese women don't want to have children?Certainly it has nothing to do with extreme pressures for higher education. Sheeeeeeeeeit. It's just magic thinking and jealous feminism.Dey reeeeal people go to dey bar/club daily.
>>542428941>I go to the gym. The gym is a place people go to workout and lift weights, not to socialize and meet people you retard.>I'm not going to some rancid bar. Good. All the normal people at bars will have a better time if some weird uptight insufferable shitskin like yourself isn't there.>The bars I see often when I drive past are filled with boomers. So obviously you're lying.In other words you don't actually know shit about fuck about who goes to bars. I work as a bouncer on weekends as a side gig. I literally see everyone's age on their IDs. The vast majority of bar patrons at all the bars I've ever worked at were younger people in their 20s. There are also a decent number of millennials in their 30s who still go out to bars, but the number declines rapidly because of people getting married and having kids and not going out as much. There will be a handful of 50+ Gen X alcoholics, and only occasionally an actual boomer who is almost always there with their millennial children.>It's 53%. Again, you're just lying.No, you are just a moron who believes in some bullshit survey done by dating app companies themselves. If you actually look into the real data about the size of the dating apps user base and compare it to general demographics, you will quickly realize that nowhere near that many people actually use dating apps. And if you had any kind of normal social life or friends, you would know that no normal people have used dating apps in 10+ years.
>>542429740>The gym is a place people go to workout and lift weights, not to socialize and meet people you retard.This is just real incel/loser seething. I get it. You love the goyslurp and hanging out with boomers in a room.The rest of your reply is actual slop kek.
>>542429282Women HAVE lowered their standards to insanely low levels. I know plenty of ugly / fat/ short/ retard / broke men who are married to surprisingly hot wives because they were actually willing to get married, unlike all the Chads and Chadlites who didn't.
>>542429998Number of men willing to get married < number of women willing to get marriedSimple mathematics. Now get out there and get yourself a smoking babe neurosurgeon whose million dollar salary will pay for dozens of surrogate babies! The world is your oyster!!1
>>542422599There are two main problems:1. Female education, feminism, etc. as other anons have already stated2. Kids in an urban industrial economy are a net economic drain on parents vs. in agricultural economies they're a net economic benefit In earlier times people wanted to have lots of kids because they'd help on the farm and pay for your retirement (in exchange for you looking after THEIR kids, aka your grandkids, most often).Today what is the economic purpose of having kids? You pay to raise them, pay for their education, then they go work for someone else... maybe even move to another city or country and only visit on holidays... You're responsible for funding your own retirement or the government pays for it...Having kids becomes a personal preference rather than an economic necessity.To reverse declining birthrates we'd not only need to roll back feminism and female education - we'd need to radically shift the economy back to being mainly small family owned operations where children work for their parents and cut back on government pensions and welfare to make having kids an economic benefit/necessity.But the big corpos aren't willingly going to give up their market share. And politicians won't roll back any gibs programs because they'll get voted out of office. And it's unlikely they'll do anything against female education because women are the majority of voters and they'll again get voted out of office.tl;Dr radical political change towards authoritianism would be necessary. You'd need an authoritarian government to completely overhaul the legal system, economy and women's roles to reverse declining birthrates.I don't see that happening anytime soon in the West. Maybe in China but idk enough about their internal politics
>>542429971You are clearly an adult virgin with zero friends or social life, stop trying to pretend that you are not.
>>542429736The concepts of choosing a partner and the birth rate are mostly unrelated. A couple can be married yet still have no children. They don't have children because there are no rational incentives for having them. Without children serving as a safety net and old-age insurance and workers, birth rates have plummeted. Conservative Chinese culture also leads to later marriage and further reduces the birth rate. If one wants children, rational incentives must be put in place. But having children is pointless if only subhumans are the ones having them; so, sexual socialism is precisely the wrong approach here.
>>542428941Imagine going to the gym to pick up some ratchet hoe when you could go to a golf course and pick up that free range pussy.
>>542430103>You are clearly an adult virgin with zero friends or social life, stop trying to pretend that you are not.Oh no! You got me! I'm so impressed by your ability to see reality just like your other retarded conclusions and seething!
>>542430103> And if you had any kind of normal social life or friends, you would know that no normal people have used dating apps in 10+ years.The entire thread can tell you’re just a fat roastie anon. This is ridiculous
>>542429080>the number of decent guys who actually have their shit together in life "have your shit together" means "be rich"
Asian men are at the bottom of the ladder when it comes to masculinity and overall testosterone
>>542422599China did nothing right. If you asked zog what kind of society they want it would sound like china.
>>542422599>women's lib>they did everything right It's time to stop living in denial, guys.
>>542429452Social structure is dependent on technology. Capitalism came to exist because of the steam engine. Women's rights exist because of the lack of need for domestic labor facilitated by capitalism.You can't just go back without destroying society.
>>542430180> when you could go to a golf course and pick up that free range pussy.Nobody younger than 50 can afford that here anon, unless they’re born with a dad or grandpa who introduces them to it.
>>542430143no, marriage means the couple will always be together and theres no incentive for the woman to withhold sex or reproduction
>>542430180I don't want to go to some golf course to burn in the sun half the day and shoot a ball into a hole. I'd rather plunge my balls into a hole.
It's not strictly feminism, its pre-marital sex and mixed gender EVERYTHING IN SOCIETY>>542430103>Where are all the married child having men?? you fucking incel loser piece of shit!
>>542430375> Capitalism came to exist because of the steam engine.What? Capitalism is mercantilism that knows no borders or sovereign for the capital. It was around long before the steam engine. Are you trying to argue only 20th century Globohomo jew Chicago school economics counts as capitalism?
>>542430399Marriage is a contract that transfers a man's property to the woman. He has to hand over his assets to her without getting anything in return or gaining any rights. That is the reality of marriage. Furthermore, birth rates for those over 30 aren't good, and that is what most marriages look like.
>>542422599They let women have the same rights as men. You can't do that shit like that. Ever.If you don't keep bitches in check, they will destroy your country every time. The reason the USA bounced back as hard as it did after WWII was women stopped working and went back to housewife and stay at home Mom mode basically instantly when the men got back home.
>>542422599every single society is chasing economic growth at the cost of its youth, you cannot put young adults in the prime of their life in perpetual economic uncertainty with no private space or independence and expect them to make the choices that lead to children, everything else is cope, even women acting like whores
>>542430284The fat roasties are the best. You can just use Google and they tell you all their problems while lying to you.
>>542430375>the lack of need for domestic laborThen why does every fat ass under the age of 40 claim they need UberEats because they don't have time to cook?
>>542422711Chekt and fpbp probably should have /thread right here as well.
Every developed country in the world has shit birth rates. Many developing shitholes too. The question should instead be what is there to do other than taking away women's rights, because nothing else works so far
>>542426493Society wide arranged marriages can do a number on a population and damage their fertility from generations of people without a sex drive breeding out of duty. Look at east Asia, Korea for example where this was society wide for centuries has been fucked by this in their modern society and culture where young people have no desire to have children at all regardless of education level or career pursuits.
>>542430396Let's be honest. You already pre-ordered the GTA 6 bundle for $250
>>542430399> marriage means the couple will always be together and theres no incentive for the woman to withhold sex or reproductionTheory and what actually happens in the real world are two completely separate topics anon.
>>542430349China’s problem is they listened to jews. The jew imperative is simply to have as many slaves as possible. Woe to the tards that listen to jews.
>>542423170>China is too conservative with it's sexuality. They have a wait until marriage attitude with sexwhere do incels come out with this shitdo they just make it up?
>>542430616>every single society is chasing economic growth at the cost of its youth, you cannot put young adults in the prime of their life in perpetual economic uncertainty with no private space or independence and expect them to make the choices that lead to children, everything else is cope, even women acting like whoresSums up the main problem that I described early in this thread. Education + career at a young age reduces birthrates. It's an economic issue and time issue. It's pretty obvious.
>>542430571right. God will destroy this people for this blasphemy
They were lying about them before now.
>>542430616Women acting like whores is the other part of the problem, otherwise you could just have 18 year old couples who rent a place together and have kids in a couple yearsThe idea that you ~need~ a fucking detached home to house kids is nonsense
Chinese women don't want kids because having kids means being with a man and Chinese men are all manchildren with incel personalities
>>542430541>What?I don't mean that as a matter of factly or as the sole reason but the technology facilitated the rise of capitalism.>Are you trying to argue only 20th century Globohomo jew Chicago school economics counts as capitalism?I don't know what that means but probably, if you are trying to pass off bartering and feudal economies as capitalism.>>542430631Domestic labor means women at home sewing clothes, making jam, butter, stuff like that home keeping stuff. Women don't do that anymore machines and people in factories do that.
>>542430664Please explain Israel.
>>542422599>China did everything rightWrong. China made the mistake to listen to the Jews and adopt the One Child Policy!As a result of that, families dumping the daughters until they make a son.Today Women in China are rare and there is a huge surplus of unmarried Chinese Men the Chinese regime doesn't even exploit them for Wars.
>>542422599Artificial wombs are the way forward. Unironically China in the future will enable to produce as many babies as they want and have them raised by robots to be perfectly loyal to the state. Natural reproduction will be something that gradually fades away and while it likely won’t totally disappear it will become fringe as it becomes unnecessary and is very burdensome.
>>542430806It's either that or Chinese women are secretly semon demons and Chinese man just can't scratch that itch
>>542430889This would have been true 20 years ago. Now, min wage doesn't support rent. Hence people go to college as a means to affording a place to have kids.Rent is overly destructive in Canada. Housing didn't keep up with wages. So we're sacrificing people's youth for a pyramid scheme economy that thinks housing is an investment that will go to infinity.
>>542431017Now there 60 million Chinese homosexualists
>>542430993I can't. I had heard it was propped up by the ultra religious gibs community but I didn't realize it was pretty high for others too.
>>542430143You're confusing marriage and child rearing. I didn't mention marriage. I mentioned the simple fact that people need to put extra years into extreme levels of education and labor competition to afford to have children. Afford means providing at a value they are comfortable to provide at.
>>542431017The demographic problems have absolutely nothing to do with the one child policy, retard.
>>542431030Artificial wombs powered by nuclear fusion and AGI, coming to you in 20 years (TM)!
>>542430664> The question should instead be what is there to do other than taking away women's rights, because nothing else works so farAnon, time periods like this have happened all throughout human history, we just like to collectively pretend it’s somewhat different because maybe our technology is different or we have slightly different social narratives. Historically every time the world has been in this position, or regions have, huge wars happen and massive numbers of men are sacrificed.The consumption engine gets juiced. A bunch of women lose a family member here or there, so they think they’ve “experienced” it too. Lots and lots of men are dead and gone, which leaves the younger collective of women say “dang what happened we need to repopulate again” and the cycle starts anew. That’s what the esoteric meaning of sacrifice is in various religions to take part in a complex civilization. You can’t have a complex civilization, scientific advancement and economic growth without destruction to go along with it. Historically guys were a lot more willing to go along with this setup because the cycles were far longer and these collective understandings were far more restricted to the educated, upper classes and theologians. They often felt like they were actually defending their families or something. George Orweille illustrated this point quite well in 1984 at the end of the book. The point of the endless competition between the various spheres was simply to burn off excess men and consumables. Those in charge had no intention of ever changing, it never does.
>>542431051? what sorta retard works for min wage? You can literally find 25-30$ an hour laborer job easilyWith overtime you are at least making 80k a yearBut boomers literally ruined their country for their own comfort, its not a surprise that the age 60+ demographic is still majority white while under 30 is 50% white at best
>>542430697>let’s be honest you ordered some globohomo jew slop shit What I didn’t even know it was on sale, I don’t follow that shit. I’ve been spending money on the tokens for my AI agent(I have it integrated with a bunch of local models on mini PCs in my office). I’ve been doing a bunch of quantum math type stuff and training my own models
>>542430284No, you are just retarded. There are no real women on fucking 4chan you moron.
>>542431204The american double digit IQ subhuman knows better than the sociologists! kek
>>542422599What the heck is "incel content"?
>>542431453Sociology is a made up field yes
>>542431311>You can literally find 25-30$ an hour laborer job easilyNot everyone works a laborer job, anon. Nor does everyone want to work a laborer job their entire life.>But boomers literally ruined their country for their own comfort, its not a surprise that the age 60+ demographic is still majority white while under 30 is 50% white at bestThis is what I'm saying. Housing as an investment with limited supply, while mass importing billions of jeets ruins a country's birthrates. Why else do I have to play "spot the white person" for anyone under 30. Drive past schools with the kids under 10. They're almost 100% brown/poo.
>>542431453sounds like they have 30 million extra meatbags to finally invade Taiwan or 30 million twinks for buttfucking. Whichever comes first I guess.
>>542431192Yes. And this perverse male slave/"provider" system was created by tradcuck feminsts/conservatives.
>>542430970You should probably look into what neoliberal Chicago school economics for capitalism is then, it’s been the organizational policy under which we exist.
>>542430307>"have your shit together" means "be rich"I actually did better with girls during periods of time when I was unemployed and broke. Unless you are like actual billionaire rich, having money can make it harder to get pussy because girls will start trying to act like they are good girl / relationship material girls to try to get a relationship out of you.
>>542431017>there is a huge surplus of unmarried Chinese Men the Chinese regime doesn't even exploit them for Wars.> doesn't even exploit them for Wars.It’s always interesting to see globohomo jews unable to understand the motivations of others because they’re projecting their own degenerate way of thinking.
>So why are birth rates still falling?1. Separate clauses with commas ("So[,] why...").2. Relative wealth is inversely proportional to birth rate.3. Education of females is inversely proportional to birth rate.4. Chink relationship dynamics have always been wholly transactional: From males "purchasing wives" from markets (still happens today for the 800M+ rural chinks), to the Monty Python degree to which cυcks must hand over veritable resumés before they can even be assessed for any sweet chow mein (see example: the popular dating show, "If You Are The One"). In the context of the chinks' "fake it 'til you break it" economy now hitting the Great Wall of capitalist reality, most males simply cannot afford a wife (the rich ones tend to be "playboys" who bed foids like they're the hookers they are). Moreover, with females being the minority by over 50 million, the acuteness of the hypergamy there makes laowai foids look Amish. Lastly, if chink females are still single at 35, they become socially ostracised as "leftover women" -- both by potential suitors, and by their families -- which makes most just outright give up on breeding.5. The commie demographic policies have fucked the culture to where the sex disparity is unbridgeable without sending off hundreds of millions of male chinks to die in a war with dungjeets, or by forced breeding by gunpoint (push come to demographic collapse shove, both said scenarioes are very likely to be implemented).
>>542431525No, you're being retarded. Raising children means you have to provide for children. There's no magic method for a "feminist"/"male slave" system. Providing for children has been a thing for 1st worlders since human history began.
>>542431311> what sorta retard works for min wage?People who have no other options for whatever reason. You act as if the plurality is just out there thumbing their nose at opportunities. In good economic times if a few are lazy asses that’s one thing. Your government has replaced your population practically
>>542431421Disgusting fat roastie shills can be smelled from a mile away
>>542431510>>542431744Not a matter of want/like/whateverYou have to work and make money, don't waste time working min wage jobs at subway or no frills
>>542422599Feminism and female independence are allowed. Women are retarded and will always think "you know, I just feel like I deserve more" no matter how good of a match the guy is. Good economies make it worse, because women don't have to depend on men and can get easy jobs to support themselves through their fertile years. They end up wasting their fertile years in an endless pursuit of some prince who does not exist or has no interest in them.What needs to happen is they need to be left starving, shut out of the labor force and not allowed to have choice, so they must latch onto men for survival. This is the system nature designed, if we don't mimic it, we're forced to wait thousands if not millions of years until our species evolves into something else. Women may not even exist at that point, what's the point of a soft bitch gender if they can't be made our bitches? They will evolve themselves out of existence, there's no need for them to be soft and emotional anymore.
>>542431688Men were the warrior class and took female slaves who performed all the work. That was the natural system. The "beta provider" feminism model is unnatural and inefficient. Modern slave markets and the commodification of women (as slaves) are the solution.
>>542431834> don't waste time working min wage jobs at subway or no frillsHow does one do that when their government has purposely destroyed economic opportunities and replaced the population, making the cost of living infinitely harder and limiting the participation of those people in society and the economy through law and policy? >it’s all ur fault What is even the point of having a discussion of collective economics when retards like you show up and insist an individual can fight the tide no matter what?
>>542424884their rabbis literally manage their menstral cycles
>>542431877>Men were the warrior class and took female slaves who performed all the work. That was the natural system. The "beta provider" feminism model is unnatural and inefficient. Modern slave markets and the commodification of women (as slaves) are the solution.If this were true, then white people would just be like Africans and have 30 random kids with 30 random baby mommas in the plane of Africa. White people didn't have this choice in the north.You're likely just a Turkroach in Germany since such a concept alludes you.
>>542424884>>542427631>Somehow Jewish women are educated and have many childrenA lot of jewish communities get massive amounts of welfare. You pay so they can start families and they take your money so you can't have one yourself.Jews are also tight knit communities so if someones wife is acting out the whole community comes together to put her back in her place. You guys don't understand because they practice collectism which does help hold women in check while you practice individualism which allows women to act wild, rebellious, and prone to degenerate behavior.
>>542432044That anon is lying to you. The only jewish women with meaningful birthrates are the orthodox and ultra orthodox who generally aren’t obtaining higher education. The secular jewish and reformed jewish women are the ones who are more highly educated, but they usually have 1 kid at most, if they’re having children at all. It’s a large part of what feeds Israel’s demographic crisis.
>>542432252>they practice collectismthey practice collectivism*
>>542431453I don’t think that any actual sociologist claims that the reason that all of East Asia’s demographics are collapsing is because mainland China used to have a One Child Policy. You are the only one saying that.
>>542424181>society is becoming more and more unnaturalThe most natural state is living like animals. No thanks. Nobody wants that even fucking african retards the moment they get internet access. There are too many humans.
>>542432177>>542431873Both of these post are based on the same logic: the "beta" way of life. Unfortunately, you low-testosterone cucks don't grasp that you are the reason for feminism. It’s in your blood (see picture); if you actually ruled over women instead of trying to bribe them with money (as a "provider"), you wouldn't be the subhumans you unfortunately are.Simping is genetic and your way of thinking is indicative of a simps genes.
>>542432330>In 2025, contrary to conventional wisdom, Israel’s Jewish demographic momentum since the 1990s is due largely to the fertility rise in the secular sector, while the ultra-orthodox sector (which has the highest fertility rate) has experienced a moderate decline in fertility rate (due to a gradual integration into the job market and academia), and the stabilization of modern orthodox’ fertility rate. Israeli Jewish women are unique in experiencing a direct correlation between a rise of fertility rate, on the one hand, and a rise in urbanization, education and level of income, on the other hand.>https://www.newsrael.com/posts/9xym1c5bivsFeel free to give a different source.
>>542432177> If this were true, then white people would just be like Africans and have 30 random kids with 30 random baby mommas in the plane of Africa. White people didn't have this choice in the north.Ethnic Europeans have been civilized and taking part in complex civilizations for well over a thousand years now, even in the farthest northern reaches. Western civilization as a whole has frequently gone to war with itself over and over. That’s not even considering southern European civilization which has thousands of years of western history. Africans didn’t get civilized until… they’re still being civilized. How much of a retard pajeet who irrationally hates ethnic Europeans because he’s jealous do you have to be to even make an apples to oranges comparison like that?
>>542432460>I'm going to point to a study showing some animals are polygamies.Just go live in Somalia. You don't need to live in Germany. You can get a harem of black chimps that are equal to you in logic.
>>542432550The truth hurts, but simps will never put an end to feminism. Provider-slaves certainly won't. You're just a useful idiot whom women exploit and then birth more useful idiots with (worst case).
>>542432542>civilization as a whole has frequently gone to war with itself over and over.This is true. Men are often sent to war, however, the wars are not something that takes up the entire lives of most people. Usually wars were done during periods and not constant. Service in the military was less than 2 months out of a year.> The warrior class (nobility) comprised only about 5% of the population, and even then, their service was often short or replaced by payments (scutage) to hire mercenaries.
>>542432480> In 2025, contrary to conventional wisdom, Israel’s Jewish demographic momentum since the 1990s is due largely to the fertility rise in the secular sectorDang! Can you believe that, fellow goyim? Israel somehow just magically solved their demographic crisis in the middle of a war in which residents actually leaving Israel itself was well documented! What are the chances? Truly, it’s a miracle. The same demographic that has struggled to reproduce for decades magically started doing so, right when the Israeli government needed narrative rehabilitation. Surely, this is as true as BLS unemployment statistics
>>542432743>The troof.I'm sure you also believe there's gold in the heads of bald men.
>>542422599No country has ever recovered from women's rights without totally removing women's rights.>>542422801This has never happened and never will.>>542424884>>542427631Non ultra Orthodox jews have an abysmal birth rate and the highest rate of miscegenation of any group. Ultra Orthodox jewish women are largely illiterate and their own families just rape them.
>>542432789> Men are often sent to war, however, the wars are not something that takes up the entire lives of most people.No wonder you pajeets lose to Pakistan. You can’t understand it because you don’t originate from a Northern European warrior culture. >trust me Saar all men are like us pajeet>when the time for war theater and acting is over we just go back to scamming, pooping and the rice harvest The men of these cultures historically spent much of their lives thinking about or preparing for war because it’s been an ever present reality in life since time immemorial
>>542422599>20% pre-covid>46% post-covidHmm.
>>542427408>And human life continuing in such a state is literally not worth living. The suffering would be immense and pointless.Anyone who wouldn't rather die as a medieval grandfather at 50 than a modern faggot at 100 isn't even worthy of being mulched into fertilizer. Walk into the sea.
>>542432829Damn you really are an insufferable effeminate pajeet aren’t you? I don’t hold it against you bro, we all probably would end up that way if that was our foundational reality and upbringing.
>>542433143> Anyone who wouldn't rather die as a medieval grandfather at 50 than a modern faggot at 100 isn't even worthy of being mulched into fertilizer. Walk into the sea.I can absolutely agree with this so long as the society is worth fighting for and it embodies some kind of virtues and faith.
>>542433044Just ask ChatGPT and search the sources instead of being retarded about my European history. You obviously haven't read any books on European history, nor could you name a single notable conflict.>If you're asking how much total time an ordinary man in 11th-century Europe might actually spend away from home because of warfare, a reasonable rough estimate would be:>Peasant/ordinary levy: perhaps a few weeks to a few months total over his entire adult life.>Freeman or experienced warrior: roughly 6 months–2 years total across his lifetime.>Knight/noble warrior: potentially 2–5+ years spent campaigning.>Professional warrior/mercenary: potentially 5–15+ years, sometimes with warfare being a major part of his adult life.Your mutt brain thinks that people go to war for life in some "alpha"/"beta" fantasy you learned from video games.
>>542433167Someone that references random animal species as a justification for turning the west into Somalia isn't wise, and certainly you don't seem to understand much either.
>>542422599>Did everything right>while doing absolutely everything to create insane people in a rat race mouse utopia environment controlled by an extremely centralised state and micromanaging every aspect of a human being's personal lifeDomesticated livestock animals in a tight pen start acting really strange. That's an actual studied phenomenon
Niggers , cities have low birth rates because cities have small flats.That's it.
>>542422599>did everything rightDid they not embrace feminism?
>>542422599Smol pp. All chinese bitches want BWC.
>>542422599>women don't wantwho asked them?
>>542424909Niggers and spics too.
