Nationalism seems to be a self-destructive ideology, which not only fails to make long-term allies, but de facto motivates other countries to treat you with distrust at best, hostility at worst. Instead of promoting cooperation and the idea of mutually beneficial coexistence, nationalism attempts to make relations between nations a zero-sum game where each one has to always strive to subdue everyone else. And this is precisely why it always ends up losing - you do not stand much chance when you limit yourself to working only with a limited number of people instead of adopting a more far-reaching ideology that can establish a consensus among a bigger pool of humans. Not even nationalists themselves, despite sharing the same ideology, can find a common ground. Some German nationalism will always be detrimental to Polish nationalism. British nationalism will always be a threat to Scottish nationalism and so forth and so on. Nationalism by design pits its own adepts against each other. This board is a perfect example of it - despite most people here sharing the same views, their favourite past-time is bickering among each other for mundane reasons. If even on a forum with no real stakes nationalists cannot find peace, how can one expect them to do this on a wider scale?
reply to this thread and your mother will die in her sleep this week
Nationalism does not demand taking a purely adversarial stance against other nations>This board is a perfect example of it - despite most people here sharing the same views, their favourite past-time is bickering among each other for mundane reasonsThis is known as "trolling"
>>542425801Establishing a broad consensus forces you to integrate too many ideas that are not part of your culture to appease the group and the end result is that nobody is happy.
>>542425801to put it simply, "ethno-nationalism" is fundamentally divisive and used to undermine and destroy states
>>542425801>Is nationalism self-consuming by nature?polakie, ukie, zmagar, angloid and romanian one is, certainly, cuz they're a bunch of mongrels without culture & heritage but not the Russian nationalism, however
"ethnicity" being both fundamentally divisive and fundamentally arbitrary, and ever opposed to the unity that is necessary to maintain a nation or a state; for even the most closely-related people, by genetics, in a single family, do not see eye to eye
>>542425934spbpAnd I'll add the really simple point>nationalismAnd really any 'ideology' can do well or do poorly. There is little-to-no prophetic power in such things.
>>542425801Is being an avatarfag self consuming by nature, or was the avatarfag consuming its own life force before it started being a colossal faggot?
>>542426798Suprised xhe is making threads now instead of spamming its copypastas on the first post of any jeet/jap thread lmao
>>542426796Also, I highly doubt that most people on /pol/ share similar views. Almost no one here shares my views for example.The old rallying point for 4chan was simply an enjoyment of non-Western media but that was a long time ago. Now you have all sorts and even that similarity is diluted down to pretty much nothing.
the ideal State is governed harmoniously, by Maat
>>542425801Aryanism is the solution and NS Germany was implementing it, albeit a bit too late. By establishing a common ground which cannot be denied by any ideological or abstract grounds (genetics) and understanding that the similarities in our cultures and ways of life derive from genes, we then build a coherent foundation for a pan european imperial project. So yes petty nationalism is self consuming, which is why jewry promotes it ie. 100 year war between France, England, regional european wars, ww1, ww2 (on allies side) etc. The challenge is how we establish an international conglomerate along racial lines while also retaining ethnic regional homogeneity and cultural stability. My perspective is that the migrant crisis and the demographic crisis that whites are facing will actually create the necessary precedent for this to be created. Because non whites, especially jewish presence in any white nation is a national security for all other white countries, we must create a military alliance to agree to destroy any nation which 1) becomes multiracial 2) houses jews as citizens 3) promotes egalitarianism in any regard. This way we can ensure the territorial and cultural integrity of all of the western world, and as an addon will prevent retarded regional wars over resources due to the gradually integrative nature of the alliance.
>>542426912>using their delusionsSo. What did you mean by this?
>>542425801> Nationalism seems to be a self-destructive ideologySo in some big gay globohomo jew world without nationalism, where will the point of competition be for humanity? Eternal upper class business interests jewing the lower classes and static societies? >we should have some big gay stateless world No, it actually protects us to have some competition in the world.
>>542426700>and fundamentally arbitrary,That's an awfully jeetish thing to say, Mr. Canadian. One could almost believe you're from India, land of the streetshitters when they hear those words come from your mouth.
>>542427017>I'm a jeetThere is no Indo in persia.There is no indo or aryan in Europe.Return to your jungle trash pile and shit in the fucking toilet.
>>542427280amerimutt christian subhuman who worships jews seething at the mere mention of the word aryanI don't mean jeets who pretend to be indo european, I mean the classical term for what you retarded goyim animals in america call "white people" Also I'm not a dirty jeet my family is from northwestern Germany. It's you amerimutts which have a slightly higher admixture of nigger dna, which is why you're such contemptible animals who fall easily for israeli/jewish tricks.
>>542427161huh?
>>542427478I love that Indians destroyed the LARP term "aryan". It's the one good thing they did
>slavnigger had an epiphany from asking grok(a jewish program) random shit and decided to copy paste the opinion into his core belief>and now it's 4chan's problem
>>542427707It's not a larp term you ignorant racial bastard. White people really do originate from indo european stock. Places like Norway and Northwestern Germany have higher Aryan/indo european dna and places like Spain, Southern Italy where racially questionable types live have less.
>>542425801I'll play along. Yea, nationalism bad. Western Liberal Democracy, which is anti-nationalist and imperialist, didn't solve any of these problems, it just moved them around.
>>542425801>Is nationalism self-consuming by nature?Yes but you go out in style instead of being a cuck.The goal of life is not to win or lose but to larp.
>>542425801>Nationalism seems to be a self-destructive ideology, which not only fails to make long-term allies, but de facto motivates other countries to treat you with distrust at best, hostility at worst. Instead of promoting cooperation and the idea of mutually beneficial coexistence, nationalism attempts to make relations between nations a zero-sum game where each one has to always strive to subdue everyone else. And this is precisely why it always ends up losing - you do not stand much chance when you limit yourself to working only with a limited number of people instead of adopting a more far-reaching ideology that can establish a consensus among a bigger pool of humans. Not even nationalists themselves, despite sharing the same ideology, can find a common ground. Some German nationalism will always be detrimental to Polish nationalism. British nationalism will always be a threat to Scottish nationalism and so forth and so on. Nationalism by design pits its own adepts against each other. This board is a perfect example of it - despite most people here sharing the same views, their favourite past-time is bickering among each other for mundane reasons. If even on a forum with no real stakes nationalists cannot find peace, how can one expect them to do this on a wider scale?
>>542427892>nooo, it's out of india!Everything persian you possess was given to you as an afterthought.Everything "Indo" we possess was always ours.We are not niggers. We are not indian.Jews are jeets. Your only link is to those that fled the consequences of their own actions, only to inflict the same wounds again.
>>542425801The opposite of nationalism is extinction.
>>542425801Didn't read Total Kike Death
>>542425801There are two patterns that the universe follows, from geopolitics down to hydrogen in the early universe:Things are either coming together, or they're breaking apart.When things come together, they become more subtle and "better" by every estimate, in the same way that the universe is "better" when particles have fused together to subtilize into chemistry rather than just being dark clouds of gas.With countries, everybody fears the consolidation into world government, but we haven't really conceived of the "subtlization" necessary to make it happen, so we don't actually know what it would look like.That being said, a force like nationalism, that intentionally seeks to hold things apart, is going to be a source of strife. The "subtlization" I refer to would have to address/incorporate those concerns somehow. (lol, an alien invasion and some "Earth nationalism" might do it...)
>>542428077>is going to be a source of strife
>>542425934Yes it does. It is an inherently expansionist ideology as evidenced by literally every strong nationalist country in history.
>>542428024I'm not saying we originally came from india, but the steppe people who grouped together did not form a coherent culture and society we can refer to outside of disparate tribes until the conquering of northern india. Consequently our religious and cultural traditions derive from that inception culture, including that of persia. The argument was never that we are indian, rather we invaded the jeets and forced them to worship our gods. This is why early vedic religion has white deities, and later on they changed it out of misguided pride to worship weird blue beings and elephants. Also the term Aryan doesn't even originate in Indo European culture, it comes from a proto indo european word which has the same sanskrit meaning later. Just because the rape rats live in india now doesn't mean we didn't have our own empire there at one point. Or do you think 75 IQ jeets made those structures and developed vedic theology/philosophy and ajurvedic medicine?
"From this stems the nationalist’s respect for the national ideal of any other nation—a sentiment that gives various fools an opportunity to make cheap jokes about a "nationalist international." This "international" is simply a sense of kinship based on a shared psychological makeup. As a nationalist, I must respect the national sentiments of others. I know that they spring from the same moral motives. There is no law convenient enough to allow me to turn against—in others—what is dearest to me".– Stanisław Piasecki, a Polish nationalist
>>542428387Holy shit, someone actually worded my exact stance in a much better way than I did so far.Actually an amazing sentiment. This was said by a very intelligent man who understood what ethnos is all about. I have much more respect for a nationalist enemy than a domestic liberal.
>>542426700You're looking at it backwards. Nation itself is arbitrary, while tribe is not. The tribe is the tribe, its desire to stick to itself being divisive to the current idea of nation is a problem for the state that holds together some arbitrary flock within its land.
>>542428191>It is an inherently expansionist ideology as evidenced by literally every strong nationalist country in history.Every nationalist country had jews foaming at the mouth manipulating other countries to destroy them. Nationalism isn't expansionist... but it is jew-exterminationist by necessity.
>>542428387The nation is an ethnic subset of the race. A nation is made ethnically, and ideals, abstracts are irrelevant. Poland has no identity or reality outside of being an ethnically slavic country. But to purely focus only on the ethnic identity while denying overall racial similarity which binds a pan european society together is exactly the type of retardation which jewry loves in whites. It is what caused every war their bankers gorge off of. Therefore the solution is a european union which is not some gay jewish anti white migrant shitshow like the modern one, but a military alliance which evolves into a pan european empire, in which the most developed europeans govern for the race, while the nations have their regional leaders govern for the interests of the ethnic group.
>>542428627>Therefore the solution is a european unionOkay. I accept it. Capital of this European union should be in Chisinau.We are all the same European race, no need to put the capital in London or Paris.
>>542428387Is he related to Endokomuna Boleslaw Piasecki?
>>542428506They don't oppose nationalism. After all the rothschild family got rich off the 100 years war which gorged off of retarded abstract civic nationalism between england and france. Jews fear racialism, because it unites all white people all Aryans against them specifically.
>>542425934It does not demand it, but it ends up promoting it, because putting national interests above everything else is at the core of the ideology. So, it might actually work in a vacuum where everybody has their own piece of land, which is not subjected to dispute. However, in reality, should both German and Poland adopt nationalism as the foundation of their values, it is hard to imagine how they would not be at each other's throats. It goes even deeper than that - if some smaller parts of bigger countries rediscover their national roots and build an identity around them, that would effectively lead to the collapse of a number of countries previously believed to be more or less unified. Even such nations as France actually have a number of provinces that historically never considered themselves French and nationalism may become a catalyst for disintegration. My point is - nationalism does work as a unifying factor within a nation to a degree; it does its job of inciting people to rally around the common course and creating a bond between themselves. But on a larger scale it becomes a point of division, which is not just permitted, but encouraged. And even within a single country it can lead to internal unrest. So, it is up to debate, to which extent nationalism can actually serve its purpose and at which point it becomes a nuisance. I am not giving a definite answer here, just provoking a discussion.
>>542425801>dude just let us fill your country with foreigners lmao why are you so mad haha dont be a bigot
>>542428729>They don't oppose nationalism. After all the rothschild family got rich off theNever said they did. They're the most nationalist of all, and they consider every square inch of dry land theirs, and seek to leave nothing for the rest of us. We are Amalek, that which they are commanded to annihilate. I'm not particularly enthusiastic about seeing them succeed.
>>542425801Christian Nationalism is the only way. Jesus loves you. Have a blessed day.
>>542428380>I'm not actually being retarded, I'm being retarded in this different wayYou are not incognito.
>>542428707The capital would be naturally derived in much the way Rome's or HRE's was. The most militarily and economically powerful nation would likely hold the capital. Regional governors would function sort of like imperial lords, and would vie for power by strengthening their state to eventually seek to become the imperial capital and locus of power. The prevention of conflict between the imperial capital and the provinces is done through racialism as the core ideology of the society. Governance must consider the interests of the race overall, that includes say Croatians not just that of Anglos or Germanics. If the fundamental basis of existence of the society is racialism, then we avoid the pitfalls of previous empires which although functioned much like what I am describing today had no explicit racial lines they would not cross for power. Hence the intercontinental and regional wars of Europeans in American revolution, 100 year war, Prussian wars etc.
>>542428147Strife will lead you to power, but ONLY power.And the soul will suffocate from its lack of love, and the mind will flail in its lack of truth.
>>542425801>Why don't nationalists care about other countries than their own?What the fuck are you even saying?
>>542428860see>>542428077By ensuring that people stay adversaries, nationalism is satanic in the most precise metaphysical sense.Jesus asked you to cast down your flags, and you insist on turning him into one...
>>542428627We have over 1000 years of identity, actually. And all that we achieved for each other and for Poland, not for some abstract Slavic frontier. I broadly agree with the importance of European identity but your insertion of a Slavic section into ethnic categories is practically irrelevant to almost all Poles and this has always been the case.
>>542428876I understand you're a muttified racial bastard from a race bastard country and this concept makes you mad, but the term Aryan is the correct term to use to unify Europeans. We can't use the term "European" since white people live across continents in North America and Australia. And the term white is a primitive word American ignoramuses used, because they had no historical education on what Aryanism is, except perhaps their eugenicists in the 1930s. It's also because the term is explicitly due to the third reich associated with white people. Nothing jeets do or say can change that. When someone hears Aryan they don't think some jeet larping as an indo european worshiping our ancient gods, they think of a blonde hair blue eyed European. So seethe more you dumb animal goymerican. Aryan is the correct term and nothing your jewish religion or your shithole jewish society can do will stop it.
>>542425801Only if it is backed by a western (right wing) ideology
>>542428506>Da joooooosSorry I'm a scientific materialist
>>542425801it's predicated on faith, so yes
>>542428786You think that division must, inevitably cause conflict and all the time at that. It does not have to be that way. There are some heated spots in Europe where nationalism causes trouble, but the English and Frenchmen will not suddenly start digging up 15th century maps to justify some war.And neither are Eastern Europeans doomed to this fate. It depends on the leadership, Not every nationalist is the same.Franco declined to join the war in WWII despite being offered French colonial land. Not every nationalist is a dumb maniac, though a lot are. Some are visionaries. For example, Poland is on the surface quite nationalist simply speaking and they have no intentions to take anybody's land. Germany probably won't either. Germans are not all the same and even in WWII Hitler got to power through more "normal conservatives" (especially the upper class) than hardcore anti-Slavic fanatics.Balkans is most troublesome but some deals can be made still. Or a war will settle it. Whatever.
>>542429068Yes, and because it was irrelevant for them (mostly because of christian civic nationalist influences which are jewish) they are now a country which tolerates niggers and jeets being citizens. You have no ideological or cultural basis to reject the subhuman as a Pole if you do not explicitly identify one as a Slavic person with longstanding roots in the land. This is why conventional nationalism without explicit racial and ethnic terms fails.
>>542429151>You think that division must, inevitably cause conflict and all the time at that. It does not have to be that way.But it does, as long as the parties exist in zero-sum competition.If you have an interest in peace, you HAVE to consider the viewpoint of the other, and once you really do that, its not gonna be nationalism anymore.
>>542428725Nope. A coincidence of surnames.
>>542425801None-nationalism is more self-destructive ideology.
>>542429124>Sorry I'm a scientific materialistIf that's how you prefer to spell "jew", go for it, but mine is fewer keystrokes.
>>542429287Do you think every nationalist is some dumb blockhead? Men do not really act in absolutes even if we love to think we do.
>>542429206The Polish identity and the White/European identity is enough. We have a coalburner problem because the racial colonisation of Poland began much more recently than in the West. Our racial identity will catch on soon enough.
>>542429415>Do you think every nationalist is some dumb blockhead?No... but then its also a question of who runs the show, and that gets into nationalism's big, dirty secret:For every ideology that promotes the goodness of one particular race, there is ALWAYS an unspoken aspect where the elite of the nation are as far above the commoners as the commoners are above the other races.This is why there was NOT a contradiction in Hitler sending so many Germans to die.Under his ideology, it was their PURPOSE to die for the German elite.
>>542425801>nationalismnationalism is labor backing currencythe value of currency is directly related to labor and the production of goodsis Op still here?
>>542428627>The nation is an ethnic subset of the race. A nation is made ethnically, and ideals, abstracts are irrelevant.Completely wrong. The French revolution was an attempt to establish a monoculture of French people in place of lesser ethnic cultures within the French land. Now France is a nation. A nation of what? What makes every Frenchman French? Definitely not their ethnicity. All the Bretons, Basques, Occitans, English and Germanic peoples that were there before call themselves just French nowadays. Abstract ideas is what defined it all to begin with (with force to back them up). And then the centralized state has enforced those ideas through enforcement of shared language and values.This applies to almost every nation. Russia, the US, France, etc. are just extreme examples of civnatry, but supposedly monoethnic nations are just as compromised because the foundation itself is compromised. Anyone today can turn their grandkids into "native" Finns if they manage to raise their kids in Finland. A continent-spanning union that focuses on Babylonic commonality of peoples does not address this, in fact it makes what problems exist worse.
Most of it comes from not a deep seated love of the nation, but, from a deeply held fear of loosing their identity and culture as people. National Socialism offers a better alternative. Kind of a middle ground, but, real national socialism not "capitalism where everyone pretends to be really nice to eachother" Racial and ethnic boundaries can be good. Nations that are naturally white/brown/indian/etc etc should remain that way, maintain and develop their culture as they see fitThe fear is stoked by millennia of Jewish hysteria and pro capitalist propaganda about "multiculturalism" and how "everyone needs to be come a melting pot" So you average normie who is a retard more than likely just freaks out because he seens Mexicans, or, Arabs, or, Jeets, or, whoever just coming in and taking his shit over.So yes, nationalism is a self destructive ideology, or, can be, but, so can internationalism. If international jews have their way we will all end up looking like jeets.
>>542429625>nationalism is labor backing currencyit is an agreement of one's services for one's currencyi might hijack this thread if OP doesn't come backwhat is a realistic time for me to wait before I do?
>>542429585That is quite fine contract. The sad stuff is that we now have presidents and politicians sitting in offices, instead of on the battlefield simply because they're doing the job of politicians and not military commanders, there is a clear separation, the path to success in politics in most countries is not through joining the military and making ranks in it, and modern warfare does not need presence of either generals or leaders, in fact it would cause more trouble than worth, especially because we no longer fight in tight formations but in spread out deployments.Well, we can cry about this fact but it is so. There has always been a contract between plebs and elites, it is not "secret", it is just put under the rug these days because the illusions would fall and people are nicely domesticated and coddled. Otherwise in the past the relationship has been quite open.The elites do not have to be automatically most vile and mischiveous creatures.
>>542425801According to definitions of Hebrew origin that are designed to make it seem self-defeating, sure. Nationalism fundamentally is the idea that the nation, state, and territory ought to be a sovereign, coherent whole, and that the purpose of the state is to be a political authority over the nation and the guarantor of, at minimum, its security and territorial integrity. Show me a just alternative to this.>but muh warsShow me a time with no war or competition between states and peoples. Russia and NATO countries still manage to fight each other despite both of them considering anyone who cares about nation or ethnos at all (except if they're brown) the enemy within as part of their official state ideologies. Ethnic conflict within "pluralistic" and "multicultural" societies is also unavoidable and increasingly intense as the practical dominance of Russians and Europeans generally is eroded by demographic change and aforementioned ideology. You're not escaping or transcending anything, you're merely choosing not to defend yourself like the retarded goycattle you are.
>>542425801Everything is self-consumingIdeologies are self-consuming, organisations are self-consumingthat's why you need to have people who do some introspection and provide a balancing forcethough I concede some things self-consume very very fast and thus need to have its parameters change
>>542425801Not nationalism per se, but the isolationist and autarkhic ideologies that rely on it.
>>542428191You're showing your ignorance.
>>542429585>Under his ideology, it was their PURPOSE to die for the German elite.Funny... when it came down to it, Hitler decided that he too deserved to die for failing his people. Far from evading that fate, he voluntarily shared it with the German people. How does that figure into your slander?>For every ideology that promotes the goodness of one particular raceI don't. Other races are within their rights to go pursue their own ends... over in their homelands, across oceans from me. I do point out that there is one truly bad race, that none of the other races should suffer out of misplaced kindness or compassion... not unless they wish to be extinct.
Why is nationalism fine for some countries, but not for others?How is pointing out yourself as different from others making us all equal?How is being discriminatory toward one group not racist, while at the same time favoring others?People around the world are tribal and enjoy preservation of culture. It is a natural defense to gravitate to like-organisms, we see this phenomenon even down to the microbial level, as is evidenced in quorum sensing. Why are people made to feel guilty for this natural inclination? Why is nationalism fine and even encouraged for some, but not for others?And why don't liberals like free speech if they really want everyone to have a voice?Progressives and classists feign concern and ideals of egalitarianism for all, while simultaneously setting themselves apart, which then exposes their faux unity for everyone to see.
>>542430011>Why is nationalism fine for some countries, but not for others?it's that some countries are consisted of cultureless mongrels and others are not, that's the thing
>>542428502>>542429768The line you draw between a nation and a tribe is completely arbitrary. How are Breton, Basque, Occitan real but French is not? Because their origins are less clear? They all came from somewhere. It's just like a human life, everyone is born to certain parents, has a life where they make their own choices but are constrained by their place and time in history and what they've inherited from past generations, and eventually dies. "France" as it is was born under those circumstances. Its parents were born when Gallo-Roman people started identifying and intermarrying with their Germanic conquerors. The origins of the Burgundians or Treverii or Nervii is lost to history. None of them are less valid than any other.
>>542429768Those national identities failed and ended up in what we see today. Without an explicit racial identity civnat bullshit leads to the erasure of the ethnic group over time due to economic gain. Which jewry so expertly leveraged. As for your term babylonian, the babylonians were the good guys jews and their religions are the enemy. Jewry hates white empire because they become slaves under our boot when we rally together. This is why all jewish entertainment has as the ultimate bad guy the imperialist white man. Think the empire from star wars etc.
>>542430482>memeflag>cultureless mongrelsyou are too subjective to respond toyou fucking bore meyou have nothing but provocation. kekpic related is your other meaningless postshow your flag or don't reply again to me
>>542430648>Those national identities failed and ended up in what we see today. Without an explicit racial identity civnat bullshit leads to the erasure of the ethnic group over time due to economic gain.Ok fair enough.
>>542430741>you are too subjective to respond to>everything is le subjective, cuz i said sokys, retarded relativist amerimutt spick
>>542429151When talking about land disputes I was just giving the most obvious textbook example of what overindulging in nationalism could lead to. You may take this as one of the most extreme examples, although it is far more common than one might think it is. Also, you are perceiving France and Britain through the lens of their modern liberal identities, so of course it is hard to imagine them going to war over Normandy, for example, but should they revert to their former more nationalist selves, all former rivalries and disputes are suddenly back on the table. However, it goes further than just land disputes, - again, this is just the most straightforward illustration of nationalism's potential consequences. Its key risk is exchanging the liberal model in international relations for realism, so to speak. Or, in other words, turning from the idea of mutual prosperity via cooperation to the belief that everything is a zero-sum game between different nations, which naturally leads to their clash. Even such structures as the EU would never be able to exist amidst a nationalistic Europe, because consensus within it requires toning down on strictly national interests in favour of attaining a common goal. Should its members become far-right all of a sudden, it would be impossible to preserve its integrity. I am not even against nationalism in healthy dozes, but taking it to the extreme might have consequences, threatening to destroy the ideology via its own application.
>>542430011>Why are people made to feel guilty for this natural inclination?Because civilizations create domestic, weak yes-men afraid of clear stances, who fight for everything but their lineage.Western soldiers are ready to die in the Middle East and Balkans but do not want to reclaim their cities from foreign mass.
One of the dumbest retard takes every conceived. You can apply every one of your "arguments" to individuals, as in everyone who cares about themselves is adversarial to everyone else.All this reveals is that you're a retard who doesn't understand the actual value of cooperation and kindness. You're a psychopath.
>>542425801The same way how life gives way to death/disease/2nd law of thermodynamics, nationalist governmental structures eventually give way to destruction/libtardism/empireYou're right that there is a natural incentive to 'be nice' and get along with other groups of people, but this benefits your nominal government at the expense of the people themselves. The people are the only thing that matters in reality. Caring about the economy or the land or the state structure above the people themselves is a folly. Those are all failure states. You want to start at the failure state, but that is just pure insanity
>>542430986>everything but their lineage.kekyour DNA is halved exponentially with every sucessive generationbut that is for another thread
>>542430916Life in practice is also a zero-sum game between you and the environment yet men are not going around killing each other over any disagreement or infringement solely because we are going to get killed either by the first or the tenth guy we start shit with.Nations, like men do not seek confrontation with everybody and even if you won't let nationalists be reasonable, not everyone will start totalen-krieg with everyone else just because it's a possibility.You fail to see that most people know if they hit somebody else they'll get hit back and while sometimes you really have to fight and defending and standing up for yourself is very noble you're not going to run around starting shit unless you're stupid.Apply the same to nations. >I am not even against nationalism in healthy dozes, but taking it to the extreme might have consequences, threatening to destroy the ideology via its own application.We don't have to take it to the extremes. Put women in place (to a reasonable degree) and get rid of foreigners and gypsies, feminism and other bullshit ideologies spawned in some basement of Hague.For fucks sake, we Europeans (I'll let myself speak of this varied people) are not Al-Qaeda tier extremists. Most of le scary nationalism you're taught existed, was not really extreme in character. Not even Balkaners are extreme, far from it. Not even Chechens are all extreme as hell.
>>542431172>muh science just found outDon't bore me with that bullshit, you have to romanticise life.
>>542431172Not how it works retard, not even if the mother of your children is a banana.
>>542431386>nothing saidthe post
>>542425801Nationalism is not an ideology, it's a recognition of a natural state of being. It's a way of explaining why you exist at all that's grounded in something other than abstract concepts. If you remove any "nationalist" feeling from the English, or the Scottish, they remain English and Scottish, we will always be divided, Nationalism just gives us the language to express the division and unity that exist naturally.Nationalists cannot share an ideology, at its core, it's saying we are a group of people that form a state. Inherent in being people, is differing opinion. The difference between Nationalism and an ideology, like Socialism, is that division exists among both, but only under one is it really expected. Ideologies, by definition, are prescriptive, they suppose an underlying set of facts. Nationalism is not. It is an merely reading reality for what it is. Nationalism can be expanded in concepts, but we all disagree on how far it can be expanded. Some merely hold it as a feeling of belonging, others view it as a duty from themselves and others to everyone else. The only thing that unites people is a problem, because they demand solutions. Nationalism doesn't unite, because it's not trying to, it's trying to read just why we're as united as we are in the first place. An ideology unites because it tries to identify problems and solutions.
>>542431400what?your DNA is halved-exponentiallykek pic rel
>>542431458I can speak in ebonics since you're probably used to it, maybe then you will see I said something.
‘Nazis', which is a word that specifically refers to Germans in the 1930s practicing THEIR brand of ‘national socialism’.National Socialism is really JUST an economic strategy in which LABOR BACKS THE CURRENCY. The term 'Nazis' is now used to impart a fear of ‘national socialism’ (the innocuous economic strategy that backs money with labor), b/c the status quo REALLY are in fear of national socialism. The classists are really in fear of the people realizing it is their LABOR and productivity that backs our currency.
>>542431679i have bingo like six ways on this picso fuck you
>>542431743labor backing currency is syndicalism, which, fascism derives itself from. National socialism is a form of political policy. Anarchists in Spain were also syndicalists. Lower phases of socialism involve, possible, syndicalist economic methodologies.
>>542431803Bet your fat ass would be exhausted just from saying that sentence out loud.
Another thread of mass replies to this bad faith churka faggot with a rabid hatred for White men who are his moral and mental betters. Go back to your cartoon porn you dysgenic waste of sperm.
>>542431896not fat either
>>542431883>syndicalism,please define this for me, since you're an expert
>>542432000Checked trips, brah.
>>542431883>National socialismnational socialism is when labor backs currency
>>542429833>That is quite fine contract.No it is not.Humanity collectively saw the senselessness and evil of that contract after WW1.All our politics since then has been deciding what to do instead.>>542430004>Hitler decided that he too deserved to die for failing his people.Then why did he wait until right as the soviets closed in?(Also, why didn't he shoot Eva rather than making her sit there with his corpse as the cyanide killed her... Jesus... So fucking thoughtless...)>Other races are within their rights to go pursue their own ends...And that SOUNDS nice until you realize you've created zero-sum competition and one person's gain is another's loss.Then you'll say, "NOT LIKE THAT!!!" and off to war.
>>542431883>labor backing currency is syndicalismno, syndicalism implies unions doesn't it?
>>542432058Syndicalism is, as you said, a mode of production in which labor backs currency. Basically, you work 8 hours you get 8 hours of pay in the form of labor notes. Rather than private individuals, typically, the state, or, whatever governing body hands out labor notes.
>>542432199It doesn't HAVE to involve unions specifically. Leftists just naturally gravitate to unionism as a governing body and ideology. Fascists gravitate to the state. Communists also gravitate to the state, but, "lower forms of communism" are debated on, so, they might not always take the form of syndicalism.
>>542432182>Humanity collectively saw the senselessness and evil of that contract after WW1.It was quite purposeful here, we died for the valuable lands of Bosnia and Herzegovina. Problem?
Imagine running a knife across a Eurasianist's throat "wh-white people are defective atlanteans GLRK as you show him Cherep Spiridovich talking of Russia as Aryan White European and Christian civilisation, he realises his entire worldview was a kike bolshevik lie as the blood drains from his neck and he goes cold. Total Dugino-Eurasianist Judeomongol death.
>>542432298>Problem?Only that you advocate for death without having tried it yourself.
>>542432241>SyndicalismEconomics is a fucking jokePolitical science, sociology, psychology, law, and economics are all filed under ARTS in academia. They are NOT Sciences, but a collection of subjective analyses, as varied as there are opinions, devoid of practicality or reproducibility. Smoke and mirrors for those who want to hear themselves speak and to manipulate others.Luckily for the hard sciences, failure is not rewarded and it is eventually weeded out via practical application and reproducibility. The hard sciences are unlike the above-mentioned Arts’ disciplines, in which failure not only thrives, but is rewarded and allowed to distort reality and hinder progress.
>>542432410I am joking, but I never advocated for death, but you have to accept death and you will have to accept that elites will always exist whether you like it or not.
>>542432429>Economics is a fucking jokei have like a hundred images to go with this text
>I'm a porn addicted autistic churka here is how the world should worGLRKKKKK
>>542426700Stop tripping faggot
>>542432477>you will have to accept that elites will always exist whether you like it or not.Oh no, that's fair. But for an "elite" to view their constituents as a resource to be expended makes them categorically unfit to be an "elite".The problem is as it has ever been: How to incentivize power towards wisdom.
>>542432429>Economics is a fucking joke.Ok, even if that is your opinion, you can still say things that are correct and do not need to been independently verified. Dispiate all your braindead bickering about the semantics of the word "economics" there's still value in discussions of political science, sociology, economics, history, and culture.Culture is not objectively measurable and yet you still sit here debating on the size of Adolf Hitler's penis. It's not my fault you like the mental capacity to have deeply intellectualized discussions on global human affairs. Fag.
>>542431901Why are the people seething about communism always from countries that did not have communism
>>542432610>you can still say things that are correct and do not need to been independently verified. Dwut
>>542432604>How to incentivize power towards wisdom.You really can't, every system you will ever think of will fall apart. Go ask God TM or whatever process shaped us to be like this but that's how it is. This is why some people retire to monasteries and meditate in caves.
>>542432658There are things that are deductively true.The color red is redThis is a true statement with out any further investigation needed. Much of economics and political science rests on this assumption; The things said are self-evidently true. That's not always the case, but, this is why people debate and go back and forth in econ and poli-sci so much.
>>542432610>there's still value in discussions of political science, sociology, economics, history, and culture.first world and third world are both about to become second worldi call this the great evening (pic rel)
>>542430648>Without an explicit racial identity civnat bullshit leads to the erasure of the ethnic group over time due to economic gainYou say this but the values that a nation is built around simply don't withstand the passage of time, the change of generations. In what little time nations have existed they kept constantly changing, because the economic gain is persistently there. If your generation acts according to your virtues, so do your kids and even your grandkids, but then a couple generations further down and the nation is unrecognizable. Because there is no codified counter-incentive to personal gain, and there cannot be one on a national level (laws). The counter-incentive needs to exist on a personal level as well, it needs to be cultivated from the small age as strict propaganda.From my understanding, the only solution that's floating in here is to codify things harder. But then, why not turn to religion for that? It was the erasure of Christianity that opened the gates for "anything goes."People back during the enlightenment held it as axioms that you should be fairly humble, you should feel guilty for certain things, you should strive to learn, you should... They didn't see danger in eliminating religion because they thought the values that it teaches are self-evident.But at this point, in our age, everything about life is easily met with a simple question: Why should you? And there is no simple answer, because those answers were pulled under the feet of our societies centuries ago. The humanity was collectively funneled into the turbulent transformation of life in the ages of multiple industrializations and multiple forms of mass media. Everyone is lost at the moment and what the peoples need is solid footing. Religion is one of the ways to rediscover said footing. It doesn't have to be Christianity but I believe a religion is the answer. Laws or constitution alone do not and cannot address this. Totalitarian regimes got this subset right.
>>542432794i don't discuss such subjective idiociesi focus on facts and patternskek like the pattern in pic relfirst germany, then netherlands, now spainwho the fuck would keep their gold at the NEW YORK federal reserve?fucking kek
>>542432718>You really can'tProgress has been made before.Consider that even countries like Russia and North Korea must PRETEND to have elections. (America did that, lol)>every system you will ever think of will fall apartAll systems will be imperfect before God and fail in the end, but that doesn't mean we don't try to be better.
>>542432867>But then, why not turn to religion for thatChristianity is a pretty big problem with open holes if you don't use it as yet another excuse to kill muslims and actually read it. >But at this point, in our age, everything about life is easily met with a simple question: Why should you? And there is no simple answerThere is that question because what morals does our society propagate? There are no more morals and principles, hence are masses are confused and do not take any stances and do not hold anything dear.The good will radiate from the few to the many eventually just like how it always happened. >>542433055>Consider that even countries like Russia and North Korea must PRETEND to have elections.Almost everyone pretends to have a consensus and some form of elections.
>>542432943Pattern recognition is literally subjectively interpreted mental stimuli, kek. That's why 99% of skitzo bullshit repeated on the internet (including on this website) is such bullshit. I have no idea what your braindead sceencaps mean either skitzo. If you are implying the gold standard is the standard of humanity and capitalism I am sorry, but, if it were not for a shift in the economic landscape of the great depression you'd probably be speaking Russian right now. Getting off the gold standard and following Keynesian economic policy is what created the modern world, really. The gold standard was unhealthy and created cyclical depressions and inflationary events that were uncontrollable. As is the very nature of capitalism, uncontrollable chaos.
>>542425801No, fgt. All nationalism does is allow people to pursue their own national interests above others as a group. It's been used against the big global empires for self-determination against the liberal empires, other nationalists, and communists. Aggression is not a uniquely a nationalist position. It's extremely common among communists who advocate for violent revolution or liberal democracies to "democracize/open up to foreign manipulating influence" countries.In all cases, it's never been a power sharing between all parties. It's always been about entities dominating and forcing others into line until they more or less accept their place given the overwhelming force. For us, it's American dominance as a superpower with all of its exceptional privileges even prior to Trump.Nationalism is simply more upfront with pragmatic interests than masking it with some abstract idealist bullshit.
>>542433140>Pattern recognition is literally subjectively interpreted mental stimuli, kekOh my science.
>>542433133>Almost everyone pretends to have a consensus and some form of elections.Exactly. That was a way that the world CHANGED.Before, it was just, "The powers that be say so, who the fuck are YOU to question them, peon!"Mandate of Heaven, ect ect.Even for the countries that just pretend, its a chain on The Beast.
>>542432867Is it possible to follow religious foundations, but, not be religious yourself. I have always been an atheist my entire life, but, as I get older I find myself going to church; the same church my grandparents did, and just kind of, going with it.
>>542433312>OOOO I'M NOTICINGShut the fuck up fag.
>>542433313>Exactly. That was a way that the world CHANGED.You did not change that though, I was speaking for whole history.Tyrants were few and dependent on a certain period for our entire history.
>>542433140> Pattern recognition is literally subjectively interpreted mental stimuli, kek.What? What do you think the definition of the scientific method is you tranny?
>>542433421Science is sicence nigger; You have a hypothesis, test it, and have it independent verified by a group of your peers. I know you are baiting when you ask these questions, but, I feel like deep down you genuinely do not understand what these things are.That is not pattern recognition, kek. What you retards are calling "Science" then is staring at the wall until you see faces and calling that a person. Alex Jones is not a scientist.
>>542433356Mental stimuli made you type that.
>>542433532>I know the reptilian lizard people control the inside of the hollow flat earth trust me I am a scientist after allThis is you.
>>542425954Sage take. Consensus seeking doesn't work.
>>542433593>>542431386
>>542432867Nobody cares you dysgenic churka faggot. Nobody wants to argue with the gish gallop of bad faith arguments that spring from your defective kike brain. You vomit these text walls with weak arguments about White people and nationalism in every thread and then you scuttle away when people have honestly engaged with you. You're nothing but an intellectually dishonest, spiteful and narcissistic little rat with bad genes.
>>542425801everything endsnationalism is when just not being a fag about it
>>542433390>You did not change that thoughI don't mean in the sense that some president signed an executive order, but rather its been a consequence of our existence as a power.>>542433709>everything ends>nationalism is when just not being a fag about itBut nations end too, and that makes a nationalist very cross...
>>542433317> I have always been an atheist my entire life, but, as I get older I find myself going to church; the same church my grandparents did, and just kind of, going with it.Look into Buddhism bro it’ll be way more up your alley. Buddhism essentially asserts that there is faith, a transcendent force that cannot be described, but it rejects all attempts to describe it as falling short and being man-made. Make sense? It’s almost the religion of no-dogma. Adherents are expected to act harmoniously in life and with wisdom, the “Right” way. But it won’t hand hold and attempt to tell you what that is or cook up some formula for you to attempt to apply to every situation in life. Going to a church just because your grandparents went there and all that isn’t a good reason to do it. That’s the kind of justification disingenuous women cook up to attend church. If you’re gonna do it, don’t be one of those virtue signalers who just shows up for social points. That bullshit turned Christianity here in the west into this ((judeo-Christian)) materialism money worship slop.
>>542433658If you want to romanticize your life go outside and find some pussy. Get in touch with your cultural roots, study philosophy, learn, become great. These are the things that make life special. Not belief in a magic jew, or, a evil jew who was created by an even more magical and bigger jew.
>>542433508> You have a hypothesis, test it, and have it independent verified by a group of your peers>that’s not pattern recognition How the fuck are the peers reproducing it and verifying it if not for patterns? All of existence is patterns. Holy shit
>>542433870Yeah, I never implied that I thought otherwise?>>542433781>I don't mean in the sense that some president signed an executive order, but rather its been a consequence of our existence as a power.Not really. Earth doesn't rotate because of America.
>>542432867christianity is a jewish religion which is multiracial it is a non strarter, modern churches are liberal anti white shit anyways You reinforce the values with eugenics. Values are genetic, culture is genetic. The reason everyone is a faggot liberal is dysgenic trends since the late 18th and 19th centuries advanced medicine to such a degree that previous medical crises no longer have the devastating eugenic effect kill off of ignorant and stupid people. Same idea with war and famine. Religion doesn't work because religious tendencies are themselves genetic. This is why the west has a paganized version of christianity, whereas russians who are part turkic now have a more islamic fundamentalist form of the religion. Interestingly russians were more focused on logic and reason and less on mysticism when they were less admixtured with turks. After the ottoman and mongol invasions their religious perspective changes culturally. Furtermore, if your society is based on race it's no longer about values. Race is obvious and seen. You are building policy on something which is physically real, not an abstract identity. All abstract identity states failed as you can clearly see from the hell we live in. And the "traditional" faggot monarchies also betrayed our race for jews. Christians gave jews special protections while persecuting Aryan religion. Aryanism and racialism is the solution.
>>542433799I don't know, man. I'd rather something closer to my European roots. I am Celtic, actually, so, I would like to get more in touch with Celtic paganism and European paganism in general. I go to church like I said, but, because it's my culture not because I believe. I just don't want to be surrounded by cringe faggots who like think faeries are real and shit.
>>542433781That’s like saying a royal subject gets particularly upset if his sovereign dies or a new monarch takes over, or he swears fealty to a new one. He’s a royal subject, he needs a king.
>>542433889>THE PATTERNS BRO THE PATTERNSWhat in the fuck are you even talking about at this point? anon, I am being completely honest here. You sound insane.
Relations are zero-sum, regardless of what you believe, and all propaganda to the contrary is just a desperate attempt to clear the public conscience.Just look at how egalitarian, multicultural America treats China. They're a "threat" for no reason other than that they are financially and industrially successful. All discussion is centered on sanctioning or otherwise punishing them for succeeding. Crabs in a bucket.The mercantilists were objectively right, it's just that their policies when taken to their logical extreme made the top dogs uncomfortable, so all this jewish financial magic was introduced to make people think they could pull wealth out of their assholes.Peace exists when the losers can't fight back or some other commonly agreed upon enemy is made to bear the brunt of misfortune wrought by the ruling powers. Again, it doesn't matter what you believe or what ideology you profess to follow, this is all still happening right now. America forces Europe to bear the consequences of its own geopolitical ambitions while riding high on domestic resource exports. The universe is a competition, you cannot escape it.
>>542433972> I am Celtic, actually, so, I would like to get more in touch with Celtic paganism and European paganism in generalI would go that route personally. Christianity in the west has a lot of explaining and reformation to do for why it spent 80 years hating on men, the west, and ethnic Europeans rabidly. Maybe they’ll reform. It doesn’t really matter I guess since they sold all of us out like crazy.I saw this dad and his boy working out together at the gym. They were Germanic looking dudes like me, I just quickly told the kid in between sets that lifting with my dad was my greatest memory with him and he should really enjoy the experience. The dad spoke up and told me he’s a Heathen minister and he’s trying to focus on love, self esteem and virtues for his family. It was really encouraging to see some dudes like that, I wished them all the best.
(Ignore the Canadian stuff its still works for other western countries)ManifestoCore FocusThe concept of a society founded on pragmatism- Rejection of traditional ideologies (e.g., democracy, fascism, communism)- Promotion of social development based on meritGovernment- A single party holding all power (a temporary solution; successors must be vetted with extreme caution)—perhaps a monarchy?- A stable civilization must meet ALL the ESSENTIAL needs of its population; the State must be TRANSPARENT!!!- ALWAYS act with a long-term perspective (unlike democracy)Economy- Encourage and prioritize the domestic market (autarky), while maintaining a market policy open to foreign trade to stimulate technological competition- National reconstruction- Reform the penal system to put inmates to work (residential development, expansion of public infrastructure)- Do the same for the homeless; establish relief camps for the unemployed (credit work performed and provide a federal wage, with a potential pension)- Formally establish CANZUK and expand it to include education, scientific collaboration, and domestic economic developmentSocial- Education reform inspired by the German *Duales Ausbildungssystem* (dual education system): reduce theoretical study in favor of active practical training- Drastically reduce brain drain- A stable state cannot be multi-ethnic or multi-confessional; a SINGLE culture—whether religious or secular—must be imposed (establish a new identity)- Mass re-emigration of groups incompatible with Canadian identity (Muslims, impoverished Africans, Indians)- Assimilation of non-disruptive elements- Punish perpetrators who promote multi-ethnicity, the importation of Muslims, etc., as well as "woke" ideology and radical/extremist socialists (charge with high treason and make examples of them)
>>542433781>But nations end too, and that makes a nationalist very crossKnowing something ends doesn't make caring about it irrational. Its impermanence gives you a reason to improve upon what comes next. The alternative is stagnation.
>>542433140I am implying to end the Federal Reserve kektry to keep upwe should at least peg to gold when the US Treasury again issues US Notes
>>542425801Tribes eventually split apart, its a cycle anon. A tribe gets so large its forced to cut off some among its numbers
>>542434368Alternatively, Knowing everything is fleeting does give people the permission to emotionally not care about it anymore. The illusion of the permanence is why they attach the emotion to it all anyway.
>>542434402Thats what I already said you retard, YOU keep up you god damn moron. >>542433140 >If you are implying the gold standard is the standard of humanity and capitalism I am sorry, but, if it were not for a shift in the economic landscape of the great depression you'd probably be speaking Russian right now. Getting off the gold standard and following Keynesian economic policy is what created the modern world, really. The gold standard was unhealthy and created cyclical depressions and inflationary events that were uncontrollable. As is the very nature of capitalism, uncontrollable chaos.Gold backed economies are a boomer fantasy based on their retard grandparents ideology. Gold Standard economies cannot manage global political and even national political needs because eventually you just, literally, run out of money.
>>542434332I will never, ever understand how someone can have a child and not try his best to be a good and concious mentor to him. You don't have to be perfect, but many fall so short or even not really try and just shove a phone into kid's hands. So sad.
Trump and Bessent's proposals only take the power of currency out of the hands of the citizens and give it to the NYFedthe people already have the power to stop any tyranny by SIMPLY USING CASH AND LEAVING YOUR PHONE AT HOME sometimesthese two simple things destroy any surveillance plansyou already have the fucking powerit is YOU that chooses to continue using the grid to your own detrimentyou already have the power right nowyou have agency stillthey just need your consent to implement it wholly, then having agency won't even matterthe current tech trend is for citizens to not hold or own information or organize it or remember itthey also do not store it on their own computers, but in a foreign cloud that tracks all changes in real timethey only have instantaneous ACCESS to informationpeople are not being conditioned to retain info or organize it for themselvestptb are now waiting for anyone with a high amount of intellect and knowledge to die off, then they will just be left with the malleable, dumbed-down 'instantaneous access' population that can't put two and two togetherUSE FUCKING CASH AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, NO MATTER WHAT COUNTRY YOU ARE INNEVER USE YOUR PHONE TO PAYA NATION'S FIAT IS THE POWER OF THE PEOPLE IN THEIR OWN FUCKING HANDSand this is why the bankrupt NYFed seeks to even abolish paper fiat Federal Reserve Notes, b/c fiat paper mostly SERVES THE FUCKING CITIZENfiat is the common national bond and cooperation of the value of one's laborif this fiat is issued by a private, debt-based central bank such as the Federal Reserve franchise, then only the Fed franchises profit/benefit from the labor of the citizens, the treasury or the citizens do not profit and/or not benefited.tptb want to change currency FROM A TOOL for the citizens to value labor, their cooperation and goods TO A PERMISSION
>>542434483>Knowing everything is fleeting does give people the permission to emotionally not care about it anymore.Many often do, there's also a segment of the society which it has the opposite effect. Weimar is one of many examples. >The illusion of the permanence is why they attach the emotion to it all anyway.If that were an absolute we'd have no reason to love people, either. Emotional attachment is nuanced.
>>542432182Ww1 was a globalist war.
>>542434590>Gold backed economiesi said gold-pegged, you idiotlearn to readfiat currency is cooperation and agreement amongst citizensi advocate for US Treasury-issued CREDIT-BASED US Notes like we had before the bloodsucking Fed
>>542425801>other countries>what is nationalismYou’re a retard, anon.
>>542425801>Is nationalism self-consuming by nature?You have plenty nationalist states that lasted for hundreds and hundreds of years.Do you think our multi cultural globalist economic zones are going to have that sort of durability before they consume themselves from within?
>>542425801leadershits always fuck everything up and on this forum you will notice many shills most of which are paid to prevent citizens from uniting because that is the biggest thing weak pathetic leadershits fear.
>>542434590Remember, ANY strong, NATIONAL currency HAS MANY FORMS, never just one (fiat paper, metal bars and coins, digital, check, money order, smart contracts, NFTs…)If one wants real change and a strong national currency, there must be multiple forms of a currency, NEVER just one 'savior' form.US Gold Notes and US Silver Notes are metals-backed, NON-fiat notes issued by the US TreasuryUS Notes are interest-free, fiat notes issued by the US TreasuryFederal Reserve Notes are debt-based, fiat notes issued by the private, now-bankrupt, incorporated Federal ReserveThey are ALL DENOMINATED IN US DOLLARS (aka $US), which is a fucking UNIT.
>>542434856You are a worthless braindead nigger.You lack any capacity at all to read between the lines and mistakenly believe that your semantical faggotry is intelligence. Kill yourself you worthless nigger.>Treasury-based credit based US notesYeah the Great depression almost turned the world communist you moronic fuck tard. kys.
>>542425801>nationalism attempts to make relations between nations a zero-sum game where each one has to always strive to subdue everyone else.That's basically how it works already. I don't think the type of nationalism you're describing has really existed outside of Israel and Japan. Hitler did end up in a lot of wars but he was meaningfully drawn into them by outside factors. Imperial Japan did expand into China and much of the Pacific after the Meiji restoration, and that did lead in large part to its downfall. Israel is currently aggressively expanding and that too will probably end in its downfall. Most expansionist empires in history could not be meaningfully described as "nationalist" since the idea of a nation state - as opposed to empire/monarchy - didn't really exist yet.Current nations like North Korea also show that it's entirely possible to be incredibly hostile to outsiders while not trying to expand and also not sowing the seeds of your own demise.
>>542435008How does this even work though? If you have many different currencies that have no central authority. How do you keep people from counter fitting them?
for new anons:The debt-based Federal Reserve (the Fed) & IRS were both created in 1913.The new IRS conveniently forced everyone to use their new Federal Reserve Notes to pay their new US Federal Income Tax.The Fed was supposed to stabilize the US currency by backing every Federal Reserve Note (FRN) issued (TO BUY US TREASURIES) with 40% gold (40 cents gold for each $1 FRN issued).In 1933, everyone’s gold was confiscated by the Treasury (except $100 worth/person) b/c the Fed convinced US Pres FDR that Americans were hoarding gold & they were forced to trade their gold in for $20.67/ozT. Federal Reserve Notes were also now no longer exchangeable for gold.In 1934 the Gold Reserve Act allowed FDR to establish the gold value of the dollar solely by proclamation & raised the exchange rate to $35/oz troy, extracting wealth & value once again from the American public.In 1944, the IMF & the International Bank for Reconstruction and Development (IBRD) were formed at the Bretton Woods Conference.In 1958, Bretton Woods pegs all foreign currencies to the dollar, & the dollar pegged to gold at $35/troy oz. Debt-based Central Banks under the BIS pop up all over the world to facilitate the Fed & the BoE in their check kiting, fractional reserve, debt-based central-banking ponzi.In 1971, Nixon depegs the dollar to gold entirely, making the US currency free-floating fiat, which completely negated the original Federal Reserve Act of 1913, which was to back each Federal Reserve Note issued with gold.In 1974, Pres Ford legalizes gold ownership again without limitation & gold is NOW valued at $42/ozt. The NOW BANKRUPT Federal Reserve & its biggest shareholders, the NYFed’s primary dealers, for the last 50 years & up to today, continue to issue our currency out of thin air, while charging us interest to do so. Rewarding insolvent, failing banks & investment firms using QE and taxpayer money over & over again, acquiring assets during crises, while rigging global markets.
>>542435008But this is not true. The US had a gold standard in 1933 and would continue to until 1971.
>>542435067>the Great depressionkek the great depression was caused by margin loans you fucking idiot
>>542435248How do you keep people from counterfeiting your your anarcho-capitalist society?
>>542425801You sure you're not thinking of your own schizophrenic caricature of "nationalism"?
>>542435333nothe federal reserve note was backed by gold until 1933, then its issuance was pegged to gold until 1971, when nixon then depegged it pic rel:https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=74&v=vNAvsrY9vR4&feature=emb_logoAt 0:57 Nixon says that depegging Federal Reserve Notes to gold is TEMPORARYMost people don't realize the difference between depegging the dollar to gold and backing the dollar with gold. And they also don't realize we are both FIAT and DEPEGGED.
>>542434801Anon... what the hell does that even mean?Look, I understand that all the governments are lying, but we are NOT living in some kind of fucking "alternate history" from the one they teach in school, they just simplify it in school and let college kids "learn why they should hate their country" as jingoists would say.
it is the people's cooperation the lazy skimmers fear, that and real price discoverylol pic relyes, the chart IS IN TRILLIONS, the BIS says this is 'set in a fog',
>>542435145the fucking treasury of each nation would issue their currency for their citizensjust like we do now, but we just don't fucking pay interest to a bankrupt franchise to borrow our own currencyit really isn't that difficult to understandupdate pic rel to ~$245B in the hole>fucking bankrupt plague
>>542435374>anarcho-capitalistnot sure how you got hereFrederic Delano (FDR's uncle) was on the first board for the Federal Reserve (created in 1913), which promised to back each $1 Federal Reserve Note that it issued with 40 cents of gold. 20 years later in 1933, his nephew, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt (FDR), made Federal Reserve Notes no longer exchangeable for gold and also confiscated every citizen’s gold over the $100 maximum amount allowed. How convenient.Bait and switch at its best.Pic relatedThis is who is destroying America and making it look like shit to the rest of the world. The US needs to be the first to nationalize or abolish their debt-based, fractionally-reserved central bank.
>>542435353>>542436224You're just a brainless skitzo freak>VAGUE POSTING OOOOoOOOO
