How come this Dr Gross expert fidgets when someone in his 9/11 presentation asked about molten steel? I mean, something down there had to get pretty fucking hot to turn the massive central structure into butter or it would have been left sticking up above the ground. Weirdhttps://youtu.be/5j4ziiHiwKQ>inb4 directed energy shills
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>>542433611again, but this board is full of bots and shills, so I don't expect a change from this bump.
>>542431057Steel doesn't even need to be molten to lose strength. Heat it to 1200° F and rebar gets pliable enough to bend with one hand.
>>542434731Then i would assume steel would bend down away from the heat sources before it would melt into a puddle
>>542431057steel melts 2,500F. Hottest part of candle flame (faint blue part) is 2500+F. This jetfuel thing is retarded. Candle wax can do that bro.
>>542431057It was a controlled demolition
>>542435914Yeah the main thing is that a contained fire can get extremely hot, i think the engineering discussion should stay speculative and secondary to the discussion about intelligence and politics
>>542436220The narrative is specifically designed to frame critics of the official narrative as kooky.
>>542434731>steel is like plasticThen why don't they use plastic beams?
Weird https://youtu.be/RBYwUtVj2kU
>>542431057the entire building turned into dust.
>>542437084>literally "plastic deformation"look up "strain strain graphs" to dive deeper.
Didn’t the steel melt from the extreme heat generated by the friction of a massive 4 million square foot building collapsing in 10 seconds?
>>542439369too complicated. noone bends spoons back and forth and feels them heat up in school. Having said that. israel knew it was going to happen, and likely directed the attack....and we still send them money because they are blackmailing and killing our leaders.
>>542439136an influence of 20 would off course be enough to make it all collapse. can it get 1400 hot is the qeustion. you need a hochofen for this but the building itself acted as the hochofen.still all the dust.
>>542431057You can melt steel with a wood fire. How do you think we make steel? Oxygen determines burn temperature, not fuel.
>>54243105799.9% of americans are clueless, they used satellites to reflect sun and heat up the towers until they melt and collapse. Elon is creating massive fires in Europe this summer with his satellites simply because he hates white people and wants to genocide them.
>>542431057Who is NIST? The National Institute of Standards and Technology? Zoomers may not know this.Is it an independent institute of experts obligated to truth?Nope. They are an agency subject to directives of the federal government of the United States, in 2001 the Bush-Cheney administration.If being ordered to lie to the public "for reasons of national security" or for whatever other pretext, they would be obligated to do so.They refused to declassify the data that they allegedly used to simulate the first few seconds of the collapse of WTC7 and what they claimed was "scientific proof" for office fires to have caused it. Secret science! You just got to believe it.
>>542439677yeah it can get to 1500F according to google. It would only need to get to 50% since the "Factor of Safety" (how much stronger the part is than the expected load) is often less than 2. And thats assuming zero structural damage from the impacts. >>542439677They spray water or tent much smaller buildings to reduce dust. Dust is normal when things collapse.
>>542440046it could only get so hot right in the middle of the building because it was build so weird. there was 10 stories or so nothing open air inside the building. this acts as blast furnace. this is why it got so hot.wont happen in a stone building.
There should have been piles of steel beams visible in ground zero after the buildings fell but it was 90% dust. The dust cloud wasn't even hot, the people inside it weren't burnt. There also should have been broken glass everywhere, but there wasn't.
>>542439677The building was unique in the world, in that it was supported exclusively by the massive steel support structure in the middle, and the steel skirt around the perimeter. If the buildings were to collapse, it would be a structural failure in the steel core supports. You have to understand that this steel core is so fucking strong, it's almost inconceivable it would just fall right into its own footprint. Even if the floors were pancaking or whatever, the steel core remains standing. It seems the steel core would have to be splintered up and fractured all along the path of the collapse, for it to fall into its own footprint. Thermite was used.
>>542440445The steel core was right around the elevator shafts, which were offline in the weeks prior to the attack and under heavy renovation.
>>542440003NIST is not objective. True. They hid their work. True. That doesn't mean that fire *couldn't* have cause it. Doesn't mean it did. >>542440257Don't disagree that blast furnace-like effects could raise the temp dramatically. Just saying you don't even need to go that far. Factor of Safety of 2, and 900F means it falls. FoS 2 and a few bad rivets, maybe thats down to 850F. Now add mild structural damage, temp goes lower. The whole "jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams" thing is retarded. Its also retarded how they handled the PR afterwards and I don't blame anyone for believing in alternative theories. 9 times out of ten if you blame the US gov, you are going to be at least partially correct. The Empire will do absolutely anything to perpetuate itself.
>>542440445not when it gets hot and turns into gummy you genius.
>>542440625The way the 9/11 debate goes.It's like there's a man with a knife, standing over a broken and cut up body. We investigate the cause of death. Some people claim it was homocide. Some people claim he just fell down the stairs. Then there's a ferocious argument about whether falling down the stairs could cause such injuries. Some smug fucks claim, yeah it's totally possible, just because it's never happened like that before doesn't mean it's impossible. But this entire debate is ignoring, the man standing over the body with a knife. Why aren't we examining that? People don't want to look into Silverstein, Ronald Lauder, Bernard Kerik, the anthrax attacks, the zionist lobby, the history of the WTC and why it was slated for demolition.....etc. Motive, means, opportunity are all there, nobody is even talking about that. It's such an ironclad case it was a controlled demolition, Occams razor falls on that side. Even if you managed to prove it could have collapsed by fire, you don't have Occam's razor supporting you, the best default hypothesis in evidence of the facts, is for a controlled demolition.
>>542431057Ever rubbed your hands together fast for 5 seconds an feeled it became warm?Good!Now you understand basic physics.
>>542440798Maybe some of the upper bits "turn into gummy". But it has so much steel underneath it. That is a solid steel column all the way down. It seems to me that the steel support column was weakened all the way down its length by thermite charges.
>>542440445have pole supporting chickenwire cage (in middle) with a heavy weight on top that's almost heavy enough to break the pole. Cut pole. Surprised that the heavy weight crushes everything rather than toppling. Just think about it for even a moment. You don't need thermite or anything else to say it wasn't like they said it was.
https://www.usgs.gov/centers/gggsc/science/environmental-studies-world-trade-center-area-after-september-11-2001-attack>At least some heavy metals and metalloids (such as aluminum, chromium, antimony, molybdenum, and barium) are readily leached from the dusts into rain or wash waterMolybdenum trioxide is the most potent high temperature thermite out there btw. The 911 fires started in September and the basement didnt cool until fucking christmas. There was no oxygen intakes in the basement, thermite has its own oxygen when it burns and so the fire department spraying water on it would not stop the reaction. A simple office fire CANNOT do that and youre a fucking retard if you think "The big daddy gubment is totally heckin on our side u guize!"
>>542440963You are adding another variable (demolition charges), which is anti-Occam. You don't need it to point the finger. Just "oh we found their passports, really guys, it was just there totally unburnt and fine" is more than enough and much easier to communicate.
>>542440963youtube.com/watch?v=xv5s_VEmZd0web.archive.org/web/20230203040541/https://gab.com/Robert55/posts/108980725951406113http://youtube.com/watch?v=r3MtYuazrowhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hj3e8cKZWiY&pp=ygUYOTExIHRoZSBuZXcgcGVhcmwgaGFyYm9yhttps://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/361501808/bitchute.com/video/Vle9KDFKfWYN/https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CEMI3KkryxU&feature=youtu.behttps://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7>nobody talks about whodunnit!His name is Chris Bollyn, and he wrote a book called solving 911, but for your convenience Ytube hasn't banned his presentation on the zionist history of 911.
>>542441086Donald Trump literally did an interview in the aftermath trying to nudge-nudge you paraphrasing"it seems impossible to me that a steel building, even if hit by a plane, could have possibly collapsed like that". He's only worked as a builder his entire life, he knows how they collapsed. Fuck's sake, he's friends with all the conspirators, like Ronald Lauder, Larry Silverstein, all these big jew york real estate guys.
>>542441120>There was no oxygen intakes in the basement,other than the subway station........huge tubes with positive pressure leading right into that site.
>>542441063People have this idea that the collapse means that the entire building was affected in the same way at the same time. As if the fire at the top of the building could melt the 70+ floors worth of beams underneath it, or that they were all pulverized into nothingness as they hit the ground. The physics of such an idea are just cartoonish
>>542441063what happened to the steal core it all melted away.
>>542440963>Motive, means, opportunity are all there, nobody is even talking about that.>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emery_Roth>World Trade Center (1972–1973) with Minoru Yamasakiwhy build it to be a modern copy of Mecca?why would jews knowingly blaspheme Mecca?>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appellate_Division_Courthouse_of_New_York_State>Charles Albert Lopez's Mohammed was removed in 1955, following protests against this image of the prophet from Muslim nations.they had to have known that doing an Islamic themed styling, making a point to bring in a Nip that worked with the Saudis to be their big famous face for the design.
>>542441231>"it seems impossible to me that a steel building, even if hit by a plane, could have possibly collapsed like that"these panels are hollow
The footprint of molten steel wouldve blocked it off but for sake of argument let's add oxygen to the mix. Water still wouldve put out an office fire and no codes were revised for steel structure constructions after 911, despite an unprecedented WTC7 falling from an office fire. A collapse that was predicted hours earlier on bbc despite being the first ever of its kind.
>>542441192>You are adding another variable (demolition charges), which is anti-OccamThe towers were filled with asbestos and advanced galvanic corrosion. They were a terrible investment and therefore were under public ownership. Nobody wanted to buy them. In fact there had been serious talks to demolish them for the cost of billions. Bush gets elected, and immediately Ronald Lauder recommends the buildings go private. Silverstein buys them, and takes possession of them 1 month before the attacks. He immediately starts a major renovation project on the elevator shafts. You know, the plant the thermite charges?He contracts with various shady businesses, including Israeli front-companies in NYC. The police chief, Bernard Kerik, who helped cover up the truck bombs, was bribed by the Israeli billionaire Eitan Wertheimer. He is probably the guy who procured the thermite charges, since his company works in metal cutting.
>>542441231What would a spastic like Trump know about physics? Sure in the USA his words are expertise for everything but not in reality.
>>542441427https://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/design.html>Structural engineers who designed the Twin Towers carried out studies in the mid-1960s to determine how the buildings would fare if hit by large jetliners. In all cases the studies concluded that the Towers would survive the impacts and fires caused by the jetliners.Need some E-team mossadi art school shenanigans to get past the original design
>>542441441You don't understand. Trump knows how they collapsed. He was trying to clue you in. That was his way of "nudge, nudge, hint hint" jostling your ribs. "Do you reaaaaallly think it was a plane that did that?"
>>542441567>in the mid-1960sah the time of slide rulers and buildings incomparable to any other sky scrapper engineering attempted in the history of the world
>>542441437You don't need any of that, and if you try to describe controlled demo theories to a normal person, they will tune you out (as they have for 25 years). Dancing israelis, unburnt passports, not in office when normally always in office, insurance payout, asbestos, you have all the elements you need, its ordinary stuff, its not engineering pop quizes, it completely sidesteps any "deboonkers". Why complicate the issue? We were attacked by state actors, not only by some rogue mountain hick cult members. Then had a 20 year plan of all the regimes we were going to topple using it as justification.
>>542440003Based anon
>>542441677The underpinning of mechanical engineering has been unchanged for well over a hundred years. The tables and slide rules they used are just automated in machines now. The data that filled those reference tables is the exact same data that populates CAD software.
>>542441589miggers always have weird theories about drumpfs 4d chess but i think they halucinate this.
>>542441086Terrible analogy. The top of the building hit the ground in ten seconds. This is freefall speed. It touched nothing on the way down. The top of the building collapsing the rest of the building would take way longer than ten seconds, but probably isn't even possible. That's how strong the unmelted steel beams were, which is all the beams below the plane impact point
>>542441437why thermite and not normal explosives?
>>542441978Trump was thick as thieves with all these guys, Silverstein, Kushner, Lutnick, Giuliani. There's absolutely no way he wasn't clued in about the attacks. His building got to become the tallest in Manhattan after that. During his presidency, he's been rewarding all these guys.He pardoned Kerik. He did the Greenland thing for Ronald Lauder and put his relative in line to be Fed chair. He gave Michael Glassner a big position on the campaign. So go down the list, all these conspirators have been rewarded through the Trump administration. People also pointed out how the Epstein files right before and after 9/11 were mysteriously not released. There's a huge gap in the files during those years. So Trump is party to this. When he made those statements he was probably thinking, people are gonna figure this shit out, so if he gets in front of it he'll look like a visionary.
>>542442072Because people would hear them. It would be obvious.Thermite was detected in the rubble by some European scientists. We know it was thermite.
>>542442038have paper towel roll with a weight on top, tap and deform tube, sudden collapse in freefall. All the structural elements have designed boundary conditions. I-Beams buckle when you twist them. They are stronger in certain directions than others. But more to the point. It absolutely does not matter the exact mechanism of collapse. Like not even a little bit. Everything you really want to communicate with that can be said more convincingly by just saying "it fell for these meta-reasons by these trans-national interests for these motivations". If the bullet was a FMJ or a hollowpoint doesn't matter in the JFK assassination.
>>542434731>Heat it to 1200° F and rebar gets pliable enough to bend with one handgreatexcept the buildings main structures weren't made of rebaryou've said nothingyou're not even talking to usyou're just reassuring yourself here tonighta1 jetfuel (kerosene), in perfect conditions, only burns at around 1000f in a wide open air environment, you could burn picrel at 1100f for eternity and not do shit... but then the towers fell dangerously close to freefall speed, into their own footprint, the path of MOST resistance, twice, and BOTH of their collapses created seismic readings on par with a 13 story building that fell a few years later, 2.1 & 2.3 because (among other reasons) ~90% of the concrete turned to powder and human bones and body parts were found jettisoned out onto the roofs of buildings 1000s of feet away for years afterwardsstop talking little boybeter to let people suspect you're an idiotthan to talk & remove all doubt
>>542442904yeah this
>>542434731What temp to make it molten?
>>542443108
>>542442904>jet fuel can't melt steel beamsKek are you retards still using this argument? Yea sure, jet fuel alone won't melt structural steel but when you use it to ignite a building that turns into a giant furnace it's a completely different story. Especially with giant holes and broken windows in the sides of the structure pulling in massive amounts of oxygen. Not to mention the explosions from the backdrafts.
>>542442904>except the buildings main structures weren't made of rebarcarbon steel is carbon steel. They will share basically the exact same stress-strain curves and both will weaken considerably with temperature like I showed earlier >>5424391361000F means you lose ~80% of strength. Concrete is good in compression and terrible in tension. It powders when you pull it apart (hence rebar). All structures are designed to be as weak as possible (parts staying in the "linear elastic range") while remaining standing. >>5424431082500F. What happens when you bend metal back and forth....does it heat up? What % of the steel in that building was molten?
>>542443280>backdraftslol6/8i'm sure someone will bitebut it won't be this old fish
>>5424431082400-2800 Fahrenheit. Jet-fuel ignition and early pool fires: 800–1,500 °F (427–815 °C). Hydrocarbon fires from jet fuel burn very hot initially but are fuel-limited and often reach temperatures in this range in open-air or semi-enclosed conditions.Fully developed office fires: 1,100–2,200 °F (593–1,204 °C) locally.Structural-steel exposure required for significant weakening: sustained temperatures above ~1,100 °F (593 °C) will reduce steel yield strength substantially; at ~1,300–1,400 °F (704–760 °C) steel can lose roughly half its yield strength. Structural analyses of the towers used these metallurgical thresholds to model collapse initiation.Localized higher-temperature spots: oxy‑fuel‑like or post-collapse smoldering pockets can exceed 2,000 °F (1,093 °C) in small areas (e.g., where insulation or plastics concentrated), but such temperatures were not uniform across large structural elements.NIST technical reports (2005, 2008, 2011) modeled temps using jet-fuel ignition and office-fuel burning behavior and correlated temperatures with observed structural damage and collapse timing. NIST estimated compartment temperatures sufficient to weaken floor trusses and core columns—temperatures consistent with the ranges above. Examinations of recovered steel showed oxidation, scaling, and in some samples thermal damage and deformation consistent with exposure to elevated temps. No evidence required steel to melt (melt point ~2,500 F for structural steel); damage is consistent with weaken-by-heating, not melting.Photographic and video records show large, sustained black smoke and flaming rooms indicating ventilation‑limited, hydrocarbon-fueled fires that typically produce the temp ranges cited.Fire dynamics and structural models reproduced collapse initiation when truss and column temps reached levels that reduced capacity below applied loads consistent with temperatures above ~1,100 F in affected structural members.
>>542443516What's the matter schizo? The "explosions" that were heard before the collapse were the result of glass breaking and oxygen rushing in as upper levels buckled and collapsed. This is what we call a backdrop which is an explosion where smoke (unburnt fuel) rapidly combusts causing an explosion.
>>542443749The point of all this analysis is to prove it's *conceivable* for it to collapse naturally from fire. Then to lean on Occam's Razor and say "see no conspiracy here".But I think the facts surrounding 9/11 are so damning, that Occam's Razor falls on the other side. In other words, if the matter is in doubt, it would make more sense it was a controlled demolition rather than the reverse. That is the simplest explanation that comports with all known facts.The case for a controlled demolition is so strong. it makes the doubters look like wild conspiracy theorists themselves, tearing their hair out to defend a weak narrative.
They also found lots of thermite residue, little bits of iron in perfect spheres, which basically can only be made under very specific lab conditions or as a byproduct of a very large thermite reaction.
>>542443885There were also mysterious explosions in the base of the towers. The space under the towers was owned by another yet another zionist billionaire.
>>542443516>>542443885getting called schizo on the most schizo friendly social media in existence....And this is exactly why you should just say they fell, ignore the mechanism itself, and actually communicate the reasons why you believe its a conspiracy and the motivations behind the actors you believe did it. Trying to play high iq engineer is a losing game. >>542443986thermite is just metal fuel+oxidizer. Copper and aluminum can do it. There were both materials in that building. This is weak argumentation. Maybe in another 3 decades it'll finally catch on and people will finally 'get it'.....
>>542444276Do you think it's suspicious that the PNAC lobby group calls for a "Pearl Harbot style event" in 1998. And then just a few months after Bush is elected and installs them into power, there's suddenly a major terrorist attack that gives them the blank check they wanted for all their wars? Quite a coincidence huh? Hmmm makes you think.Strange how these towers transferred to private hands just 1 month before the attacks, the first time in 35 years they had gone private. Oh and, the person who bought them was a mega-zionist, and the person who suggested they go private was an ultra-mega zionist who would subsequently lead the World Jewish Congress.Coincidences start to look like a murder plot.Oh and, wow what a coincidence! Right before the attacks the elevator shafts were under renovation by shady 3rd party companies that Silverstein contracted with, including some companies the Dancing Israelis had in their rollodex as close contacts. Wow so many coincidences. You know when you see someone die, and then you have like 50 clues pointing to a murder. Does it then make sense to argue that the wounds on the body are consistent with natural causes? Because that's what you're doing.
i dont need evidence, you can just SEE it was israel
>>542444515>Do you think it's suspicious that the PNAC lobby group calls for a "Pearl Harbot style event" in 1998. And then just a few months after Bush is elected and installs them into power, there's suddenly a major terrorist attack that gives them the blank check they wanted for all their wars? Quite a coincidence huh?If you don't think I find it all very "convenient" you haven't been following my point at all. This stuff you just posted is 1000x more convincing than "jet fuel can't melt steel beams". It would actually engage the regular guy if you were talking to him at your local bar. It does not require specialized knowledge to put the pieces together into a whole. Unlike the gobbledygook about the collapse itself.
Can someone help me find the video from this article i cant seem to find it anywhere
>>542444686https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3AuSABON2A
>>542444276the answers and refutations, by credentialed scholars and researchers, to every single claim and proposition you've just made, can be found in this folderspecifically, AE911- Explosive Evidenceyou couldn't be more wrong if someone was literally paying you to be..........https://mega.nz/folder/UTxH2bSL#ql8Fak1c0WQZlwHVshb9bw
>>542444828It doesn't matter if there were explosives, if it was a plane, if there were no planes, if there was thermite, if the steel structure was weakened prior or any of that. That is the least interesting bit of all of this, and the only reason to talk about it at all is to distract from the bad actors involved and misdirect away from the consequences of this plot.
>>542440625Blast furnace was not in the upper floors were firefighters reported gaining control of the fires, the bigger blast and furnace was in the basements just before plane impacts. https://youtu.be/RfARZBYPgAEBonus, USGS Dust Sample report analysis https://web.archive.org/web/20180413051852/http://www.nucleardemolition.com/files/Download/GZero_Report0.pdf
>>542444977look broi know you're just making a paycheckand i'll give it to you, you're earning your 30 pieces of silver tonightbut i'm not really talking to youdon't flatter yourselfi'm talking to & sharing information with the hundreds or thousands of lurkers hereanons have already downloaded +10gb of info from my link in the last 10-15 minutesget bent traitorwe won't speak again
>>542445164is 900F enough for the house of cards to fall? Yes. Of course it is. Does anything change if there were explosives? No, it doesn't matter at all HOW it happened. It only matters WHY it happened, and WHO made it happen.
>>542431057>Molten Steel at Ground ZeroWhat is this schizo nonsense. Of course the jet fuel burned for days. That is what it does. Pay no mind to the naysayers and trust the science! >Or else. >>Just kidding!
>>542434731>Heat it to 1200° F and rebar gets pliable enough to bend with one hand.Wrong. You’d burn your hand so badly you couldn’t hold it.
>>542445331>>>542445164 (You) #>is 900F enough for the house of cards to fall? Yes. Of course it is.The fuck it is.
Sure is weird, looks like it blew it up from the inside then sunk down into the basement.
>>542445543>>542439136900F is 50% weaker. Official narrative is 1100F (>>542443749). Does it matter HOW it fell to you? Why? How does that help one understand or communicate the overall plot? Its only a distraction from the actual issues.
>>542445314Did you know the military ran near duplicate exercises in the summer of 2001, Amalgam Virgo 1 and 2? >Ran from June 1-2, 2001 this military wargame exercise included involvement from such agencies as FEMA, the FAA, and the FBI and had a strong Osama Bin Laden theme (and he is even depicted on the cover of the exercise document). In the drill Raytheon MQM-107 Streaker (unmanned) drone aircraft are used as weapons after terrorists acquire weapons such as cruise missiles and/or drones aircraft and strike a variety of targets (including skyscrapers) over a period of several hours using multiple coordinated and varied attacks on different targets along the East Coast of the United States.https://steemit.com/conspiracy/@budz82/september-11-2001-amalgam-virgo-01-and-amalgam-virgo-02-are-military-wargame-exercises-that-mimic-the-9-11-attacks-and-deserveThey even put OBL on the cover! But they had no idea...
>>542445873>Uninterruptible autopilotreal?
>>5424347311pbtid kike pilpul, same as always."Fire is hot, stupid goy!"
>>542431057The concept was hatched by the Netanyahu faction of pissraeli intelligence, along with Project for a New American Century in 1997. They piggybacked off an organic mid-90s al-qaeda plot to fly a plane into 3 Mile Island (supposedly nixed by Osama himself, because he feared the scale ofpotential blowback). Funding was provided by the Carlyle Group, who had offices in one of the towers and whose jewish CEO missed work on 9/11/01. Towers were destroyed by flying planes into them (remotely controlled, tech developed and proven by Boeing+CIA years before the attacks) while simultaneously detonating thermite charges planted on the vertical steel structural members in both towers. Charges were planted by a group of pissraeli operatives posing as "art students", under the group name of "Gelatin". Use of thermite is indicated by the 45 degree cuts in steel columns - visible in Ground Zero photos - and from the reports of first responders finding liquid metal among the rubble in the days following the attacks. In the two weeks after 9/11, all the debris was put on barges and shipped to China to be melted down (destroying forensic evidence of the thermite). More than $100M USD worth of gold had been stored in the tower basement vaults; this gold was never recovered. The flight 93 hijacking went sideways; it was shot down by a USAF Dassault private jet equipped with missiles. Watch the video of Bush getting the news; his reaction doesn't make sense, until construed as "holy shit we actually went through with it".fuck israel. fuck the people who created the world we live in today.
>>542446018>45 degree cuts in steel columnstotally normal from torsion.
>>542445873i think i corbett talked about them back when he was digging deepbut no, i wouldn't have been able to name themthanks anoni knew about able danger & the simulations/war games on the day of (obviously) but i didn't know/remember they were in June also
>>542445708>Does it matter HOW it fell to you? Why? How does that help one understand or communicate the overall plot? Its only a distraction from the actual issuesOMFG this is the most hilarious pilpul I've read in....well maybe ever."The facts of what happened are just a distraction from the lie jews want you to believe!"There are not enough pictures of laughter and ridicule on the entire internet to express the jewishness of that post.
I was thinking about this and wondering about the electrical factor in the towers. arc welding can melt steel no?Would it be possible for massive shorts in the trade towers coukd have caused the melting of steel?I will give that theres unlikely chemicle fires (besides thermite charges conspiracy say) But what about electrical fires?
>>542446400>clearly says israel is involved>gets called a zio-shillthe current state of /pol... sad.
>>542439773Did wtc have oxygen bei g pumped into it?What was the hvac situation like?
>>542446405They had the towers rigged. They waited for them to fill up with firefighters, then brought them down like pancakes. Building 7 was a dicey proposition since that plane never arrived, they did it anyway. Pulled it down with demolition charges.
>>542431057Years ago I needed to burn a bunch of random lumber that was useless to me and taking up too much space, the leftovers after making cuts that accumulated for years. I wanted it all gone. I started a fire and ran an old steel car exhaust pipe to the bottom middle of the fire, the fire was only the size of a small campfire but the exhaust had a hairdryer feeding it a supply of air (on cold) so it would burn very intensly. The fire burned for six hours. At the end of it when things cooled enough I pulled that exhaust pipe out and the end of the pipe was melted, it had turned to liquid and melted. So anyone telling you that "jet fire can't melt steel beams" is coming at it from the wrong angle. This was a massive fire very high up where the wind blows hard. If my little campfire and hair dryer made liquid steel then the fires on 9/11 could have too. The real conspiracy in my opinion is the entire thing was known about and probably even abetted as a false flag event to bring the US into the middle east. Israel and the US knew about it.
Boots melting, hot sidewalks, from office fires? Don't think so. Something happened in the basements.
>>542446615>The real conspiracy in my opinion is the entire thing was known about and probably even abetted as a false flag event to bring the US into the middle east. Israel and the US knew about it.bingo
>>542446615>a masked man holding a knife is standing over a dead body >some people claim he died from falling down the stairs>try to delve into physics showing how energy and momentum could cause all those wounds>although this never happened before it's totally possible>the only outcome of the debate is that he could have possibly died from a stairfall, possibly>never does anyone talk about the masked man with a knife and a grin standing directly over the body
>>542446874>No you don't understand. He was holding a K-bar not a chef's knife! Please read through 10k pages of bullshit so you can get this. It is very important.
>>542446146that's a picture of fucking chalk, shlomo. i'm no engineer, but i'd wager that fucking CHALK and steel behave differently under torisional forces.
>>542446553>Building 7 was a dicey proposition since that plane never arrived, they did it anyway. Pulled it down with demolition charges.Pull itFun fact, Trump campaign strategist Michael Glassner was on the BoD of the NY NJ Port Authority in 2001 and it was he who pushed through the WTC lease to Larry Silverstein.>He has previously worked as chief of staff to Lewis Eisenberg, chair of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, and was a staff member at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC).https://ballotpedia.org/Michael_Glassner
>>542446874Bro all I am trying to say is those fires could have melted steel into liquid. My experience taught me that. The size of those fires was just so stupidly large compared to the one I made that melted steel into liquid.
>>542446978We know they had foreknowledge of Building 7 collapsing. The British news broadcasted the collapse, with the reporter standing in front of the still-standing building. Then they hastily cut off the feed when they realized it. In other words, they knew the collapse was coming and about when it would happen. While the top of the building could have collapsed by fire, the internal steel core underneath that is so fucking strong and solid, it's hard to fathom it would all just, buckle. At near freefall speed. I'm not talking about the sections pancaking, I'm talking about the actual steel core of the building, which was immensely strong. Donald Trump gave an interview after and said he strongly doubted the story. The building was literally build to withstand a plane hitting it, it was designed against that. The fact that the entire spine of the building just, buckled all of a sudden. It feels like it was weakened, like there was thermite charges eating through the steel and making it extremely weak and prone to splinter into small sections.
>>542443280Listen retard, nothing in an office building is going to burn hotter than kerosene. Oxygen just ensures a combustion reaction takes place. Wood doesn’t burn as hot as kerosene. Nothing in an office would burn as hot as kerosene. And there was a finite amount of kerosene to be burned. Also structural steel is covered in fire resistant insulation based on building codes. Usually they’re rated for 2 hours of burning before it would even reach the steel.
I'll never forget what they did that day and what they took away later.
>>542446615>This was a massive fire very high up where the wind blows hard. If my little campfire and hair dryer made liquid steel then the fires on 9/11 could have tooThat's the kind of quality jewish thermodynamic analysis usually reserved for defense of "the Holocaust."
>>542436220why do they add coca cola? or do they mean cocaine
I'm not even joking but 9/11 would have never happened if the supreme court just admitted foreigners are not giving civil liberties by the constitution.woke trannies did 9/11also that molten metal was aluminum and glass and other molten debris you dumb fucks, the theory that the steel beams melted is israeli misinformation to distract from their involvement and how completely ass retarded our government actually is while also at the same time using a tragedy caused by the US government to diminish the rights of real american citizens because they refused to diminish the rights of foriegners first cause they're woke trannies.And the idea is not validated by any proof, the nasa heat maps don't show any heat over 1000 celsius. The only proof is that retards even more jewish than doctor jew-stick don't know how a basic fire pit works and thinks linear dissipation of heat can totally prove the steel melted.Occam's razor: our government is a jew infested woke tranny shit hole full of brain dead incompetent retards who hate it's civilians.
>>542443749Let’s say that it did cause the strength to decrease enough to initiate a collapse. Only 4 floors were impacted by the jet. Why did the rest of the steel frame structure collapse? Why did it collapse at free fall speed? Every floor on the way down would have provided resistance.
>>542447295I want you to make a fire and supply it with air. I explained it here. >>542446615That way you can have your own life experience to understand how hot a fire can get when it's being supplied with oxygen. Don't take my word for it. Go try it yourself. Then remember how massive those fire in comparison to the one you made for the experiment.
>>542447086they really don't. bones break on angle as well. peak tension is at 45 degrees when you twist something thats brittle.
>>542447439>>542447086
>>542447433Oxygen can increase the rate of combustion, however KEROSENE and OFFICE EQUIPMENT do not release the same heat when combusting you dumb faggot. The entire premise of kerosene burning hot enough to melt the steel relies on a volume of kerosene being present that simply wasn’t there. Most of it went up in the initial explosion on impact. Oxygen will keep a fire going, it won’t make office equipment release the same heat as kerosene. Learn basic fucking chemistry.
>>542447419>the theory that the steel beams melted is israeli misinformation to distract from their involvementexactly. Its just to get schizoids arguing with architects and engineers, the normie will kneejerkingly agree with authority so the schizoid will always lose.
>>542447439structural steel and rebar tend to be rater less hard than gear steel
>>542431057>molten steelCurious how there are videos of literal molten metal flowing down the sides of the building, almost like it's related to that or something
>>542447706Structural steel used in sky scrapers is also covered in multi-hour rated fire resistant insulation based on building codes.
>>542447769Yeah that's the thermite charges going off. That happened like 7 minutes before the building pancaked. They had activated the charges at that point. They eat through the steel, probably not very quickly but in the span of like 10 minutes. This just makes the steel increasingly brittle and prone to snapping, all along its length, until it all just buckles and cascades down.
>>542431057There was melted metal fredly running in the streets of NYC for days after 9/11. They played it happening live on tv every day.
>>542447433The onus is on you kike shills to PROVE that a jet of mostly pure oxygen was FLYing up those shafts to provide the catalyst to burn that hot for the beams to melt. In addition, the finite amount of fuel that had burned off in a short time frame in ADDITION to the jet of nearly pure oxygen was enough to penetrate the asbestos cladding of the steel beams in less than 2 hours. You can't.
>>542447086>that's a picture of fucking chalk, shlomo. i'm no engineer, but i'd wager that fucking CHALK and steel behave differently under torisional forces>>542447439>they really don't. bones break on angle as wellAnd in medicine breaking bones are well known to simultaneously melt! Like this!I realize the pilpul kikes itt are paid by the post, but their inability to provide anything even slightly believable is hysterical.Israel and treasonous US jews planned, executed, and continue to profit from the 9/11 attack that killed thousands of Americans.
>>542447599I was just burning wood and it surpassed the melting temperature of steel so... You go and learn something. Seriously.
>>542447926asbestos was only used on the lower levels. They stopped using the asbestos halfway through construction.However, because the building was loaded up with asbestos, and had other corrosion issues, nobody wanted to buy it. There were discussions to demolish the towers for a cost of several billion dollars, which nobody wanted to pay. That's why those towers became a magnet for false-flag terror arracks.
>>542447706Not disagreeeing, but keep in mind those tests are run at snail speeds. Basically simulating "static conditions". Go fast enough and basically everything is brittle. Just saying 45 degree breaks is not "odd" at all. It happens in several scenarios. .
>>542447891*freely flowing
>>542447926You don't make any sense. Try saying it again.
>>542447949>I realize the pilpul kikes itt are paid by the postI'm getting paid to say israel was likely involved. 5head take there chief.
>>542447987You do realize that “steel” isn’t a uniform descriptor, right? Was it carbon steel, 316L stainless, 316 stainless? Of course you don’t know, because you’re a genuine retard. Do you know structural steel is required to be covered in fire resistant insulation rated for up to two hours or more of burn time? Did you know that NFPA fire codes dictate sprinkler systems be installed in office buildings? Your little gay experiment only proved a point to your retarded self because you have zero fucking clue about structural engineering. A finite amount of kerosene hit the building, most of which burned off in the initial explosion. An office fire broke out, being suppressed by a sprinkler system ensued. The structural steel of the building was protected by fire rated insulation. None of this was taken into account by your completely unrelated, gay, at home “experiment”. No wonder they call us fucking goyim. People like you exist.
>>542431057Anyone got those clips from around october when they were pulling out beams that were glowing hot? Instead of just cutting them with a gas axe, the entire beam is red hot, why?
>>542448235> An office fire broke out, being suppressed by a sprinkler system ensued.yeah this definitely wasn't smoking when it fell. As they say "wheres there's smoke, there is no fire because sprinklers"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwRfgUCOM_o
>>542448235It was a carbon steel exhaust. I'd know because I had to do a lot of welding on that exhaust. This was a longish section of it I removed. Makes almost NO fucking difference because the melting temperature between different steels is only going to vary by a few hundred degrees at best. Fire proofing was btfo'd on impact and was never intended to stop a fire like that anyway even without it being compromised the way it was. Jet fuel only needed to start the fire and it did a good job at it. High altitude supplied the massive fire massive amounts of oxygen. >muh sprinkler systemNigger stfu are you serious right now saying a fucking sprinkler system would have made a difference? What a joke I am taken aback you would say that. You need to know your place and know you're nowhere near as intelligent as you have been led to believe. Sprinkler system LOL you dumb motherfucker LMAO
From >>542447949>Israel and treasonous US jews planned, executed, and continue to profit from the 9/11 attack that killed thousands of AmericansTo >>542448143>I'm getting paid to say israel was likely involvedThat's called damage control, shlomo.
>>542448590plus insulation only SLOWS heat transfer, it doesn't stop it.
>>542431057There wasnt enough jet fuel to melt the whole structure of the buildings
>>542448590>I'd know because I had to do a lot of weldingAnd your dad also runs a blast furnace at Nintendo?
>>542448611>>542439613"damaging controlling" before there was damage. Talking about the mechanisms for collapse (in the most retard-tier way imaginable) will definitely wake people up. Keep at it soldier. Definitely spent a few thousand hours on that and not the people could be involved, why they did it, and if they were successful, and what implications that may have in the next 25 years. Literally "the passports were unburnt" is all you need to move to the real questions.
>>542447439what was causing the torsional forces then?>inb4 the towers collapsingyes shlomo. the towers collapsing is what subjected the steel to "torsional force", which caused the towers to collapse. your circular logic is unassailable
its because e-team jews stacked boxes of thermite beforehand
>>542448887> fire hot -> heat weakens steel -> collapse -> torsion -> torsional failuredoesn't seem circular
>>542448868I don't get it do you think knowing how to weld makes me a magician or something?
>>542448590>>542448697Two hour fire rated foam insulation, standard across structural steel is tested at up to 2000F. A sprinkler system, despite your retarded hand waving, further combats the office fire (wood burning, desks burning, furniture and carpets burning). And a plane impact doesn’t just magically remove all the fire protection from a building. Once again you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.As further proof, there have been multiple documented cases of buildings burning for days without collapse. You can find these examples yourself with a quick google search. You burning a random piece of carbon steel proves literally nothing. And yes, a sprinkler system is an industry standard for fire suppression for a reason you dumb faggot lmao
>>542431057NIST covered up what happened 09/11/2001 in New York City from start to finish. (Took them seven full years to come up with a scam-report 'investigation' for Bldg 7)Here is what actually occurred (video by an engineer, has been on YT for fifteen years):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d5iIoCiI8g
>>542449072please explain why the mechanism of collapse matters? If it was telsa's earthquake device that shook it down, it wouldn't make a difference. The trans-national American Empire(which includes israel) knew it was happening, and allowed it to happen because it achieved their ends with minimal loss of human life and maximum symbolic/neuro-linguinistic/trama-based-programing potential.
>>542449425Manhattan Schist partial melting threshold = 725C <1400F.Dude.... come on.
>>542449056>I don't get it do you think knowing how to weld makes me a magician or something?I'm not assailing your welding (and good welding isn't trivial to do).I'm saying your efforts at leaping from your anecdotal experience to any serious explanation of the complete disintegration of WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7 - those three steel-framed buildings didn't just bend or fall down, they DISINTEGRATED - is at best well-intentioned buffoonery.
>>542449591I have aggregated a lot of information about 9/11 and one of them is that the fires were definitely capable of melting steel. People don't understand fire nor do they seem to understand the size of these fires, they were enormous. I start cringing at the confidently ignorant folks talking about the burning temperature of jet fuel not being enough to melt steel on it's own, it's right up there with, "There were no planes at all they were missiles."I can get behind the possibility the buildings were assisted in coming down.
The jews did 911 and lie so america murder those who made them afraid
>>542449904no they weren't capable of melting it, and no, the steel wasn't merely melted but completely disintegrated, no large pieces remained, and youre a blatant shill lying about this.
>>542434731But they person asking said there was a puddle which indicates state change not a simple weakening Did you know glass doesn't transition to liquid until it reaches over 3000 centigrade even though it "melts" at only a few hundred?
>>542449904But the buildings didn't melt, twist, bend, and fall over.They completely disintegrated in mid-air.There's nothing about what you say that accounts for that. So arguing about a hypothesis that even if 100% possible does not and cannot explain the evidence is logically fallacious and thus pointless.Suggesting hypotheses is fine. Continuing with them after they've been rejected (in this case because they don't explain the majority of what happened) is not.Make more sense now?
>>542449547>Dude.... come on
>>542450680If the steel beams didn't bend then how did it collapse?
>>542450680a literal house of cards would take longer and fall less uniform/constant rate than this:>>542449591 kikes are vile, shills are evil.
>>542449425Did what?
>>542434731That's not the point. There were molten steel, and its undeniable.
>>542451028clearly they didn't bend, because it would have fallen over, the collapse was so catastrophic and complete they disintegrated, and you're unironically trying to lie, claiming they bent and fell over, when everyone saw the towers, all 3, turm to dust, steel superstructures made specifically to withstand multiple 747 hiths.
