crashing this economy, with no survivors
>>542459426Number go up is bad?
Oh no, my portfolio :(
fed meets ina few days, market is pricing in the hikes but it aint happening
>>542459466when the number measures how much you're getting raped then yeah
>>542459496doesn't really matter what the fed does to 10 year yields, what people are prepping for is hyperinflation
>>542459466OIL GREENBONDS GREENHOUTHIS GREENWE'RE ALL GUNNA MAKE IT BROS
>>542459426zoom out.
>>542459426Zoom out retard this is a nothing burger
>>542459521it does matter but market actually dictates rates not the other way around.
>>542459638>>542459694migger cope squad has arrived
ZOOM IN!Don't listen to the other two disinformation agents!
>>542459497This is good for people that have money. The concept you are raped is under the impression Im loaning you money. it looks like a product of Japan attempting to rescue their own economy, since I assume with a death spiral of Yen a 10 year bond yield is an attractive 10 year investment. Whereas buying down a 3% short term loan in Japan rescues their country along with avoiding their own inflation. When bond price goes down everyone borrows free money which makes unlimited inflation. So you either pay 7% mortgage or you pay 3% mortgage and 5% now in the inflated list price...in borrowed money. Since interest is a metric of borrowed money. >>542459496Yeah if Im the fed. Im making the call neither up nor down and the market will quit their boo hoo and digest that in a week.
>>542459738in a superficial sense at most, if they hike rates then rates go up automatically, if they don't then inflation will keep devaluing the dollar which will make the market demand higher rates to keep up with inflation, a fun fact: even at 4% rates you're in -1% because of how much value the dollar has lost, if you bought a 1% yield chinese bond a year ago then you're at +7% because of how much the yuan strengthened, and if you bought a 4% yield american bond then you're at -1% because of how much the dollar weakened, the fed needs to tame inflation without hiking rates, which it obviously can't do
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>>542459810>for people that have moneydepends on whether you mean money or assets, having money in this situation is ass because it's losing value at a rapid rate, that's why rates are going up, but if you have real assets like gold or real estate then it can be good for you, granted there's a risk of demand collapse at that point too, if real estate becomes too absurdly expensive then people will just stop buying houses cratering their value
>The Americans didn't know USA fell. Private jets stopped being used in the process of raping children and people in the Middle East stopped being bombed.
When a faggot posts a graph, I'll always be here....to zoom out
>>542459934You know nothing about the economy and how it works.
>>542459934when a migger posts cope, I'll always be there to RAPE them
>>542459744Zoom out MORE
>>542459858I cant really quantify a -1% but I watched interest go near 0% and the SP500 DOUBLE and then Inflation to a 51% crack up economy and MIGGERS and economists said YAY! were rich!
>>542460032see >>542460010cope MORE migger
>>542459426Thanks Obama !
>>542460010why are you moving the goalpostsalso oh no, we owe china money that we're totally gonna pay back lmaoa ahahahahaha
>>542460032you're a fucking retard the national debt in 1982 was 1.1t compared to now the 40t with an almost 5% bond is a fucking disaster you're an actual moron.
>>542460078why are you being a nigger where your argument hinges on pretending to not understand how things work
>>542460097you're a stupid faggot who doesn't realize "national debt" is a boogeyman, it actually means, "how much we're scamming Maoist chinks" and it needs to be 100X higher like tomorrow
>>542460129>w-w-we just won't pay it back!!!and then your currency becomes toilet paper, go on bitch lmao, stop paying debts, let's see what happens
he didn't trade so good...
China is here to collect the debt :( We're screwed!
>>542459912In Chyna Chang has 8 houses 5 cars and his stocks are in the toilet. so this concept of "wealth" is complicated. YTD gold is up a measly 0.89% compared to a 4% short term bond yield. Would I sell my gold? no its important for that money to be there to stabilize your money in case it cracks up, I would think.
>>542460171Oh no lmao ahahahah, silence Hungary, you got a nasty lil' country there, I know what goes on in that degenerate place... I know...
>>542460124Reminder the USA spends more annually on paying back bond interest than they do on their military now.A buck broken nation that won't exist in fifty years.
OP always has to zoom in
>>542460193>>542460203uh oh migger copium gigamelty>>542460226fact of the matter is that everyone sees the writing on the wall, muttoids will have to inflate away their debt, which means that their troops will be getting paid with big bags of monopoly money that's worth nothing, they'll eventually start demanding to be paid with something that has value, like gold, which the zog obviously can't afford, and then the military will start going rogue
>>542460271miggers have one cope lmao >>542460010
>>542460226Its important to use the borrowed money for USAID. let all the 3rd worlders move here and support them on welfare. Then accidentally crash the pretro dollar since a fiat USD does nothing for a economic reach?
>>542460078dumbfuck nigga did you even graduate high-school
>>542459426but the house always wins
>>542460453too bad this isn't a casino, the debt collector always wins
>>542460453The house is moving; countries are selling their USD assets and diversifying into other currencies.
Oh no I have to pay 15 cents vs 14 cents a CHYNA YUAN.
>>542460581Theyre moving all their money into didgiree dollaroos. Dont you guys pay $50 for a haircut and $30 for a pork roll? Im watching your metric and looking at it as only slightly. Which is healthy since your buying power is so poor.
I convert Money into cat food so I can feed raccoons its an entire metric.
>>542460902and gold
>>542459858only for short term treasuries, 10y is not short term treasury.
>>54246108210 year treasuries get traded on the market, only pension funds sit on them
>>542461138are you retarded? They're locking money for 10y this is why long term treasury market is pricing in everything in rates, they expect rate hikes this year.But it aint happening because AI jenga tower will instantly collapse
>>542461039No theyre not moving the money into gold. weve been through this Gold is down on the year compared to Inflation and Interest. Money is like cat food, Haircuts, pork rolls, coffee and a pair of Nikes. Thats ILLCHAY.
>>542461200nigger YOU are fucking retarded and don't understand how the bond market works, if you buy a 1000 dollar 10 year treasury with 4% interest then that means you are getting paid 40 dollars a year for 10 years and then they give back 1000 dollars after 10 years, but if people think that it isn't worth it to sit on it for 10 years then they'll sell it earlier for less money, hence rates go up, that's the whole point, market decides rates by selling bonds, if bond value goes down then rates go upit doesn't matter if they rate hikes or not, inflation won't ease which means rates will go up, because if you bought a 1000 dollar bond which is worth 1400 dollars total and then inflation means that the 1400 dollar is realistically only worth 1200 then the bond price will drop to 1200, which will increase rates>>542461417doesn't matter how much you cope, every central bank is hoarding gold now
>>542461039My favorite topic is listening to poor people tell me how money works. Big dreams. Maybe you get some solar panels and an electric bike you dont have to pedal.
>>542459466This is the number you don't want going up if you live off of borrowed money. So governments, corpos, and boomers all eat shit when this line goes up. Don't feel to bad for any of them, they got here by spending like niggers with infinite EBT cash.
>>542460271/threadman i hate these commie morons.
>>542460078no you (as in the tax payer and civilians personally, the state doesnt owe debt) owe money to the Bank for International settlements (BiZ).that debt will be collected by their goons, namely the US government
>>542461564my favourite is listening to miggers cope and seethe as diddler donnie crashes their economy
>>542460298>they'll eventually start demanding to be paid with something that has value, like gold, which the zog obviously can't afford, and then the military will start going rogueThe Sack or Rome hits its quincentennial anniversary next year. That would be a pretty funny happening if a mutiny happened around that time.
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>>542461564Uh oh migger melty. Your frantic posts are attempts to remind yourself things are ok. But are they? Tick tock, HELOC boomer.
>>542459426>Two more weeks!Thanks, keep us posted.
>>542461653the zog military is a mercenary force by default anyways lmao, they have no real loyalty, it'll be funny when rogue spic armies start raiding fort knox for gold kek>>542461658if you don't understand the bond market you don't need to talk about it lil boy but sex with Chinatsu
>>542461607Look Im not going to laugh at you for knowing my president and what my countries 10 year bond yield is, but I cant point at Hungary on a map.
>>542461742>I'm retarded!!!!why do miggers think this is a flex?
>>542461801Ive been on the beaches of Ireland. Its a weird scenario when you got Travellers trying to discuss US politics. They say oh youre from Texas. You must wear a big hat and have guns then? and you say YES. The conversation reveals theyre brain washed by some news programming. Then they fly down a little 1 lane horse and buggy cart road at whatever kilometers that we dont translate in a work van to do whatever they do, construction? something involving fruit? no one cares. You dont care.
>>542461738I am right and you're wrong. It's a fact that market prices in the hikes on long term bonds.
>>542461932uh oh the migger is going insane>>542461938>pee peee pooo pooook buddy, didn't read btw
>>542461801What's the 10 year bond yield in your country? What sort of assets do you have your investments in to survive this coming collapse of civilization?
>>542462013but it's just the collapse of muttmerica, I'll be sitting pretty here
>>542461975>Hungary
>>542462064>just the collapse of muttmericaOh, well I guess they're going to be really fucked wherever that is. But what's your country's 10 year bond yield right now?
>>542462118>migger>>542462243we have practically no debt so it doesn't matter
>>542462296>1 Hungarian Forint (HUF) is equal to approximately $0.00319 USD WTF? No shit why this guy is sitting here huffing and puffing. The sooner USA collapses the sooner Hungary can get back to normal.
>>542462296But what's your country's 10 year bond yield?
>>542462296???Hungarian debt to gdp is higher than goymoney and we are basically bankrupt
>>542460078>>542462243You took out a $40t loan, boomer. You pay it back.
>>542462388the dollar lost like 10% of it's value against the forint too in recent years kekymao>>542462395is this gonna be your next cope?>>542462409goymoney has one of the lowest debts in the world, you're getting fucked because your industry is getting hollowed out
>>542462417kek
>>542462479>the dollar lost like 10% of it's value against the forintYea in Recent Years is vague and indicates you dont even understand money bro. In 20 years? what are we talking about here? 3% interest rate? 20 years? equals 60%. But Im glad youre concerned with my ability to afford cat food to feed this attic racoons or not. You want them to all starve up there?
>>542462579>migger gibberishit was 400 forints per usd a year ago, it's 310 now, your currency is crashing even against ours kekymao, and btw the 10 year yield went from 7% to 5% too in a year
>>542459496Not hiking is just as bad because it'd prove the fed is just a MAGA puppet and currently the leader of MAGA is a demented pedophile losing a retarded war of aggression against Iran and that shart xirself in front of cameras several times a week
>>542462687Oh..Forint is some weird nigger token this guy uses..Ok got it. Look if you need more of this forint I can offer to prostitute you.
>>542462798>migger is also gayno wonder
>>542462818It doesnt matter that I am poor in forint. For I am rich it reddit golds.
>>542459466More line go up mean US government deficit needs to pay more interest. US government earns roughly 5 trillion a year.Roughly 1.25 trillion spent on debt per year.40 trillion in debt and growing with a roughly 2 trillion in deficit spending per year.We are in the "debt snowball" phase where the interest is accelerating as to the percent of gdp and yearly government spending. Somewhere around 15% of the budget is spent on interest currently. By the way when social security fund runs out in 2032 yearly deficit spending will spike. Medicare part a trust fund also is running out the same year. Social security will have the payout drop to 78% spending meaning if you get a social security check the payout will drop to 78% the current payout. Medicare is 89%. Due to how many boomers exist they will for sure take on more debt to keep the programs running which means more interest, more debt, higher yields, more expensive cost for debt a year. Meanwhile trump wants to take out 1.2 trillion more in debt as a bribe and also lower corporate taxes even more.
>>542463808>trump wants to take out 1.2 trillion more in debt as a bribehe won't do that for sure though, he's always just scamming retards that are stupid enough to fall for it
>>542462706nobody is going to hike shit, inflation and hyperinflation, they're going to print much worse than during COVID
>>542463877I strongly agree but maybe that will help retards understand it won't happen. Regardless I will vote democratic socialist as they are the only ones wanting to increase taxes on rich. Have rip power from boomers and start correcting the debt.
>>542463966the dsa is chabad too, it won't make any real difference
Everyone who isnt a boomer is broke, its why everything is a subscription now, they know young people are and always will be broke. The entire western economy is young people work their ass off for shit pay, the money is funneled to boomers via rent or the stock market or taxes/pensions. The economy crashing does not affect anyone under 45. If you're not a boomer you should want it to crash. Why care about an economy you have no stake in.
>>542462388>$0.00319 USDFucking kek Hungarian currency is a memecoin.
>>542464550and yet your currency is crashing against ours kekymao
>>542460078You are so stupid
>buy at 3%>rises to 5%>no one wants to buy your 3% anymoreThis is the incredibly simplified version of why the rise % is bad. For the average citizen who cant even afford to exist, it does not impact them until much later. >later?The ones buying all the treasuries en masse are mostly other govs, corporations, billionaires, investment firms. When other entities cant dump off their >5% its a loss. Losses result in squeezing the doors. If this 5% say keeps rising then its a shitshow because now the domino effect is no one wants to buy the 5%.>hurr it dont matter because gov pays the 3%/5%/x%yes but its all greed that makes the pillars collapse and once again average anon is the one footing the bill
>>542459426>economystock market is not the economy
people will do anything to avoid having to work, with their own hands, to produce the things they need, while leaving others alone.
>>542467994it is for muttmerica, it's a debt based economy
>>542463808sounds like a perfect excuse to cut more taxes and spend gorillions on wars
>>542461576Doesn't this line going up increase the amount of money people getting for saving up money? Raising the cost for borrowers and raising the return for lenders is the exact same thing.
>>542459912if i had 10 million i would put it in an index fund under these conditions and make a killing,dude. so yes hes right.
>>542467994Bonds market isn't stock market.
