Have anarchists/communists/libertarians solved the issue that a “stateless society” would just lead to a society with an actual organized state taking them over? Have they realized yet it’s all a Jewish lie to keep them distracted and that all ideologies should seek government efficiency and they only make a strawman in their head about it (let’s be honest, most people want an super efficient government that delivers results they like, not no government. 95% of Americans are pro moon landing)
>>542472580what practical communist or socialist thinks stateless society would exist?
>>542472580just don't consent to a statesimple as
>>542472809But what happens if the other state says “okay” and launches a full scale invasion>>542472712Reddit
>>542472987Communism is the exact opposite of a stateless society retard
>>542472580>Have anarchists/communists/libertarians solved the issue that a “stateless society” would just lead to a society with an actual organized state taking them over?Nope. They literally just cope about it in multiple ways. If you eliminate a state, you immediately need to implement all the services that the state provide that are needed. It's not JUST roads, people underestimate how much the state does. Judicial system for example, and what about keeping track of private property? Without state you have nothing in your name unless you can defend it with your life against negroes.Thing is if you replace government with a private entity, the private entity becomes the government, with all of the government's problems.Thing is "public" or "private" it's all people and people have the habit of taking what's not theirs if no one is looking. Any steady stream of income that goes unwatched is subject to misappropriation. Taxes is just one example.. but look at unions, HOA fees, charities, I can go on all day but you get the gist.Whatever setup you have... the only constant is: The cost of freedom is eternal vigilance. So libertarians are the ones who got it right. Everyone else fell for Israel's evil spells.
>>542472712An actual commune. A few dozen people who all know each other and coordinate with each other about what needs to get done, and for whom peer pressure can avoid the free rider problem.
>>542473580>The cost of freedom is eternal vigilance. So libertarians are the ones who got it right.So why are libertarians fucking retards who care more about being smug edgy shitposters than doing anything to stop oppression and tyranny? They don’t even try to get elected, ask most of them and they think politicians are a spook. They already think the world is dead, and regardless of whether they’re right or wrong their ideology demands that they fight until the death when they’re more likely to be virgins than actually stop government oppression?
>>542472712Most communists but all leftists are ultimately delusional retards who should be farming dirt and cleaning shit from the streets in a proper society. >>542474012Only issue is that the commune itself is ironically a collective state. A democratic state, but still a state non the less.
>>542472580There have been multiple anarcho-communist projects in history that achieved various levels of success, most notably the The Ukrainian Free Territory (1918–1921), Revolutionary Catalonia (1936–1931), and the The Korean People's Association in Manchuria (1929–1931). However, none of these societies lasted for more than three years and all three of them were eventually destroyed by outside military forces. The Ukrainian Anarchists were defeated by the Red Army, the Spanish anarchists were defeated by Franco's Nationalists and the Korean anarchist were defeated by the Japanese Empire.Anarcho-capitalism on the other hand is so profoundly retarded that no one has even bothered to try it. Lolberts are the punching bags of the right for a reason.
>>542474559Yeah this is my point. They’ve actually tried anarchist societies, they last some time, and then some military takes over Why would anyone want this if just the military takes over eventually? Why are we still talking about this? Why can’t we just talk about how Jews are creating conditions that ruin societies and deal with that first?
>>542474189https://youtu.be/dOOTKA0aGI0
>>542472580>Have anarchists/communists/libertarians solved the issue that a “stateless society” would just lead to a society with an actual organized state taking them overDifferent nations live just fine in an 'anarchic' situation. The US and china don't have a 'bigger state' ruling over them. It hasn't happened. There's no reason why this couldn't happen with voluntary associations of people
>>542474750The only way an anarchist society would really be feasible if it was a global anarchist society, where no nation states existed any more. This is obviously unrealistic in our current world, though.
>>542474970Please be specific.
>>542472712Marx did.What you call communism Marx called socialism.What Marx calls communism is a classless moneyless society with no heirarchy.Obviously communism was never the real goal
>>542475033The only way I could see it happening is if everyone suddenly decided to be nice
>>542472580in theory....sort ofin practice haha noclosest that comes to mind was the 'maknovista without makno' that the guy was working on but gave up after the soviets wiped out his test bedlet me clear up a fucky you did anarchy doesn't mean no organization, it means no top down organizationservices are headless not absent loleven at that though no one found a replacement for a makno driving around giving lectures and advisorysmaybe you could make an expert system loaded with all the things anyone trying to perform any job might need, frameworks for conflict resolution and the cell call military systemthere are theoretical fixes, none so far attempted
>>542475033And then some group of people somewhere in the world decide to make a state and then the entire project falls apart because the organised state is obviously going to beat the disorganised classless anarchist society.
>>542472580>let’s be honest, most people want an super efficient governmentIf honesty is so important to you then can you please stop conflating libertarians with anarchists? (And especially not with communists, that's just nonsensical.)
>>542475803Anarchism and libertarianism are synonymous. Anarcho-capitalism and American "libertarianism" arose put of pseudo-intellectuals trying to appropriate leftist terminology for their own, because they had so little confidence that their ideologies would gain mainstream appeal otherwise
I'm a libertarian and not an anarchist, and there's no inconsistency there because the terms definitely aren't synonymous. I think a state is desirable for a few purposes and not all, which is a distinction that sadly few make.
>>542476286Meant for >>542476121
>>542476286You people are such disingenuous, lying weasels
>>542472580Statelessness is not a necessary component of communism. It is of anarchy. Seems like the point of this thread is to conflate them. >IMG_6110.jpgVery organic influence op.
and before this retard tries to muddy the waters again; no, there's no such thing as "private property" supporting anarchists either. It's an inherently anticapitalist ideology and always has been.
>>542476388I haven't lied about anything. Even if I was the guy you're quoting without context I don't really have a problem with that since I agree that many people misunderstand libertarians.
>>542476475What the fuck are you retarded nu communist shitskins even talking about. The end goal of communism is a classless stateless society. You nu-communists larping as fascists is so tiresome.
>>542472580>but who would subsidize zog and the personal security services of the .0001%Not an argument. And lol at the unironic commies ITT. The absolute state of this board, I'm guessing the range banning of entire isps has something to do with it. If youre being sincere then start with this: https://mises.org/mises-daily/wouldnt-warlords-take-over
