Hohols killed caveman white nationalists and its movements - that is their contribution to the world. Anyone else feels that way?
>>542475017>*Jay Dyer's head explodes*
>>542475096What does it even mean?
death to moscovy
>>5424764022025 or 2024 Jay Dyer was debating the very thing Kirill said.
>>542476500kiev was always a part of russia
>>542475096He's not a pope. He isn't a synod.
I will successfully genocide breeders.I will successfully manifest my design for the world that will make you breeder normie scum dissociate and check out of this reality.You think humans can't be cloned and the brain programmed to act exactly like a machine?You will be replaced with cloned human slaves who slave for me alongside AI.I will replace you fuckin whores with my cloned and programmed human slaves.I will clone these adult-ready humans like in Blade Runner and then I will programm their brains to love and fuck only me like in Westword.I will own them alongside my AI robots and be happy.
>>542476817So you have a Church with invalid worldviews being spread by the highest Bishops? Or do you have a Church with invalid worldviews being spread by the biggest Evangelists? Which is it?
>>542476913His world view isnt incorrect. God isnt a literal guy who blew horns and destroyed Jericho. It’s a force of Good. In that regard, the Ukrainians are the Satanists.
>>542477030>His worldviewWho? We have 2 mutually exclusive worldviews: Kirill's and Jay Dyer's
>>542476748Kyiv os the foundation of the Rus, this is correct: moscow came after
>>542476913A lot of bishops were heretics, what's your point ? Your infailable gay pope says something, it's a problem, your gay Vatican II says something, it's a problem. 2 different systems. Dyer told you this exact shit for 15 years somehow you brain can'y grasp it.
>>542477296>muh whatabout muh whataboutAnswer the question please. Is your answer?"Yes, in our Church, the highest Bishops can, and do, spread invalid worldviews."
>>542477145The Orthodox Church does not regard its hierarchs as infallible. Nor could a single hierarch alone, such as the patriarch or Constantinople or Moscow, effect change on what the Church's actual stance is. Those things have been settled in the councils before them.If that's what Kirill has said and means it in the sense that non-trinitarian groups could in any conceivable way worship the same God, he is wrong.Dyer would tell you just as much.
>>542476913It's jews everywere
>>542477385Then Dyer should be debating adherents of Kirill's worldview. Would it make sense for me, as a Protestant, to debate a Kike about Amillennialism vs Premillennialism? No, I should debate another Protestant.
>>542477511He has debated adherents of the "same God" worldview. Most notably Lumen Gentium adhering Catholics.Maybe it's just that people who call in to Dyer, at least those who actually understand how the Orthodox Church works, already understand that Kirill and Bartholomew can say, for whatever reason, things that are wrong.You still miss the point that Kirill alone is not who determines what the Church's stance is.
>>542477797Me: Dyer should debate adherents of Kirill's worldview (I.e. Krill loyalists in the Orthodox Church).You: Oh he already debated American Catholics about it.You must think youre so slick...
>>542477891It's a very prevalent worldview.It would be a misnomer to call it "Kirill's worldview".Bartholomew has said similar things.But that fact is beside the point because he has been speaking against the "same God" worldview in general.You could call in and ask whether or not muslims worship the same God.He would tell you know.You could ask whether or not he needs to accept that they do because Kirill said so once.He would tell you no, because it is not the Church's stance, and cannot be, simply due to trinitarianism.
>>542478105"no" instead of "know", even.
>>542477376100% yes. That was always the case from the beginning of the Church. Are you fucking kidding ? Nestorious was the Patriarch of Constantinople.
>>542475017He was a convicted trafficker of ciggies (cartel style amounts) and drugs before he met putin btw. That was before his career as theologist of course.
>>542478105So youre just a Protestant with extra fables.
>>542476500The foundation myth of Rus is Novgorodians invading Kiev and killing the worthless rulers who were in power there then taking their place.
>>542479314Hardly, we adhere to the councils and what's been passed on.But it is true that Orthodoxy focuses more on local Church governance.But generally speaking Orthodoxy is decentralized where the laity, monastics and the clerics all watch each others' backs.You should read the kinds of letters that the monks from Mt. Athos send to Bartholomew.I would imagine one Russian monastery or another does similar things for Kirill.
>>542475017But Muslims worship a moon demon and Christians worship either a storm god as the Godhead or the Godhead itself. These are not the same thing.
>>542479314They are almost the exact opposite. Protestants grew out of the Catholic Church, which adopted many of the changes brought about by Renaissance culture and is continuing to change even more, while the Orthodox on the other hand cling to old traditions and beliefs.
>>542479508death and destruction is truly a moscovite traithttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Novgorod
>>542479603Seems that Dyer is refusing to challenge Kirill or Orthodox Adherents of Kirill directly because he fears being discredited by Russian Orthodoxy and losing his credibility. Pretty simple.>>542479859The example we are discussing highlights the opposite. Either Jay Dyer or Kirill is clinging to the old tradition, and the other is "changing".
>>542480101If that is your view, I simply implore you to actually call in to Dyer and ask him directly.He will without a doubt tell you what I have told you: that anyone that claims that we worship the same god as non-trinitarian groups is in error.As will anyone else who understands how Orthodoxy operates.
>>542480100I would be skeptical of any information about Ivan the Terrible and the Oprichniki because he cracked down hard on the boyars who then wrote the entire history. It's hard to tell what's true and what's a huge exaggeration.
>>542480351You'll never believe me, but Dyer has already lost a "debate" to me and blocked me. And I'm not calling in from a new account. Wasn't about this subject, but my point still stands: Dyer is not directly challenging Kirill or seeking a discussion with Kirill's Adherents in Russian Orthodoxy.
>>542476538BUT WHAT THE FUCK DOES IT MEAN?
>>542480509If he challenges the "same God" worldview, he is necessarily also challenging them.
>>542475017a harlot daughter does what the harlot mother does. I wonder when they will go into full communion with Babylon.
