They fail to understand basic economics.
She killed our country lmao
>>542477467What country? You people always were faggots
>>542477542that's just the nigger in you talking and no, white people can't have brown hair
>>542477467>Updatet. someone who wants to kill our country
whose money is the $5k trumpbux coming from?
the problem with capitalism is that eventually you will run out of externalities to impose on a country and people for free
The economic policy was sound the not actually being racist wasn't
>>542477404>economicsPseudo science
>>542477684>t. cultural "science" majorAHAHAHAHAHA
When you sell your transportation, fuel, and even water to private companies, everything becomes "other people's money." And those people take their money out of the country. Following Thatcher's own logic, why would they share with you or anyone else? It's their water and they can do with it as they see fit! Are you some kind of communist who demands drinking water? It's not your water!
>>542477404I like pretending that thatcher and Reagan actually brought down the debt or deficit of lowered taxes but they didn't. The state turned from taxes to fund gibs to taxes to fund nothing ! They just take shit form you and give you nothing in return
>>542477404And ancaps fail to realise that a free market does not stay free for long.
>>542477404Would
>>542477404don't they just print it?
>>542477766that's corruption, not capitalism.of course a country whose government rejects the responsibility of caring for its own infrastructure will be exploited. that's why politicians who sell vital infrastructure to jews should be executed along with their entire family.
>>542477404The FED has infinite fake money.
The problem with capitalism is that people eventually figure out you put saw dust in their bread in order to maximize profits.
>>542477404The government can't run out of money. It has to spend it into existence before anyone else has anything on which to be taxed. It's absolutely wild that this actually caught on with people.
>>542477404You stupid nigger you already have communism except they distribute all your money to ((((((the bankers))))) Instead of AmericansYour fed collects about 5tn in taxes. 5% of your 40tn debt (your bond yield now) is 2tn, 1tn goes to the military and 1.9tn goes to ((them)) directly in the form of your medical which is marked up 10,000% by you know who.This leaves all of America 0.1tn to run the most powerful country on the planet. If you can't spend less than that your debt goes up and your usuary eats even more of your country.And that's before you look at the gigantic sums of money your communist government just straight gives to (((them))).
>>542477666No, the economy policy is not sound. It is entirely based around blatant falsehoods.
>>542477781Thatcher did reduce the debt though.It was just Reagan who was into ballooning the debt while being rhetorically austere and the GOP has been following that since
>>542478087Money only has meaning as a proxy for tangible value. Spending money into existence makes money less valuable. Unfortunately, people wouldn't get it if she said "you eventually run out of privately created value."
you can say that about all state expenditure desu so it invalidates any kind of government or taxation
>>542478225because she tried to take it seriously in the US they just say one thing and do the other, this has always been the accepted norn (yank - pulling away) but she somehow didn't get the message
>>542477404this cunt ruined the entire industrial base of the UK. But let's look at her statement more closely. Today the capitalist economies of the west print money like niggers on crack. So who did run out of money after all?
>>542478225>reduce the debtreducing the public debt by introducing austerity is a recipe for disaster. This means the government leaves investments to the private sector, and we all know that the private sector doesn't invest, it steals.
>>542477621not that it's going to happen, but if it did, everyone who holds US dollars, and our future selves
>>542477404the problem with ubercapitalism is the companies have the money to maintain their infra, but instead choose to give it all away in dividends to parasitic shareholders because they have been bequeathed a monopoly
>>542477666sell everything on the cheap to my mates?
>>542478377You have absolutely, empirically no idea what you are talking about. Money only exists to provision the government.
>>542478890based jew
>>542478890They will never understand this no matter how much you explain to them. They unironically believe that currency issuing governments are borrowing money to fund their operations. They think that debt and deficits for a currency issuing government are the same as debts for households.No matter how hard or how patiently you explain it to them they will not accept it. So it is either an intelligence issue or an ideological one.
>>542479312Druze.>>542479348>intelligence issue or an ideological one.both.
She sold out her country either because of selfishness or misguidance and ignorance. The browning of that country is quite blatantly economic like everywhere else that adopted neoliberalism and they will cling to it «but this time its racist» despite being the cause of their own problems and everybody elses.
>>542477404That line just gives away the game that the rich think of themselves as entirely separate from a nation
>>542477910I never ever liked milei and him being president or whatever of argentina has lowered my opinion of that country significantly they also work closely with partners such as the USA and Israel whom they sold their water supply to.
>>542479348When the currency was gold backed then it was like that. Fiat currency was introduced in the US in 1971, not long before Thatcher came to power in 1979. However, in the UK the pound became fiat in 1931 due to the war and fucking 1797 for individuals meaning they couldn't convert the paper to gold. For some benefit of the doubt in Thatcher and her generation's youth even the UK was gold backed currency and she may have kept same attitude by looking to the US as Brits tend to do and was a core part of her neoliberal ideology, but even by the time she ran for prime minister the US had left it too so she never updated her worldview, and why would she when this still works so well. There is also the fact our currency is called pound of sterling (silver) which is hard to shake off people's mind. It can't be just paper.
>>542482815In fact, the US may have copied the UK's idea for fiat currency. If London can do it why can't we? But our politics reflects the opposite and we're still using shillings and sixpences to keep the hot water on.
id rather be a broke commie than capitalist faggot
>>542477604You're literally brown, you retarded faggot
>>542483428Shalom rabi
>>542477404Federal reserve notes are always the property of the issuer- never the holder.It’s all someone else’s money
>>542483590then why do you faggots cry about jews controlling the world ? commies are broke niggers
>>542483702>the world ? commiesHello IDF, you forgot to type like a westerner again.
>>542477404better than being slave to jewish money right?capitalist are either spooks or retards.
>>542477404>problem with boomer pension and boomer welfare is that you run out of other people's moneyFixed it for you.
>>542477404Thatcher destroyed the UK. Thatcher hating socialism just proves that socialism is based.
>>542484696Boomers usually say they paid tax so they paid into it, like their private pensions that they ALSO usually have. How that accommodates things like inflation isn't elaborated on because it's too complicated.
>>542477404Margaret is a Notorious baby-raping cannibal. Anything she says is forfeit.
>>542477666fitting digits for a Thatcherite.
The fact is no woman would be allowed to open her mouth about politics if it wasnt for aggressive government intervention into society.
The neoliberal virus was a very successful propaganda campaign which convinced the general public that the freedom for businesses to do whatever they wanted was a prerequisite for their own personal freedom, and the government has no obligation to provide anything of use. Thus, the public became convinced that public institutions were bad, and privatization was the way in which their own lives would be free. Of course, it didn’t work out that in practice. Also a bit funny to see modern republicans screeching for 5,000 dollar handouts and fighting for flippant, widespread punitive tariffs considering that Thatcher and Reagan would’ve found these reprehensible
>>542482815No, they understand how it works at the level at which power is exercised. They just impose voluntary constraints on themselves that mimic a gold standard because they want to artificially suppress quality of life for the working class.
>>542477404the problem with capitalism is that eventually you run out of slaves err other peoples labour
>>542477404That's a jewish man. Picrel, Thatcher in the 60's.
>>542485438There was no freedom for businesses to do what they wanted.1. Could they use gold or silver as a form of currency? No, they must pay taxes in dollars, they must use an FDIC/Fed approved bank (fractional reserve only). That means when the fed injects trillions of dollars into its 24 primary dealer banks (between 2008 and 2010 the fed printed 1.2 trillion new dollars on top of a money supply of 847 billion, and injected them through these primary dealers, in order to "save the economy") all businesses are forced to deal with the constantly rising prices.2. Do businesses have any social freedom? No, they are forced to hire blacks, women, gays, and if they deviate they'll get sued out of existence by the government. They are also forced to accept these and others as customers.
Picrel, doh
>>542485882Why the fuck would businesses want to use gold and silver as a form of currency? You guys live in an austistic alternate reality of your own mental creation.
>>542485438Reagan and Thatcher shouldn't be the gold standard for conservatism, you clod.
>>542485882There are degrees of freedom, and businesses were largely unleashed under neoliberal ideology. Stock buybacks were relegalized, restrictions were loosened for Savings and Loans, federal overhead was minimized, and mergers became rampant across the board; this all largely coincided with financialization of everything, and why companies like GE started to make more money via moving money around and consequently stopped investing in their people or products. I mean, you can complain about the fact that businesses have to pay taxes on their transactions, and that these transactions must be done in a currency accepted by both parties, but those are minimal restrictions in comparison to what we’re talking about here.
>>542485974Who’s the modern standard? Reagan is THE mythologized poster child for conservatives
Running out of fiat money is one of the biggest jokes ever invented.Thought running out of people on the other hand is reality in capitalistic meat grinder where people are too stressed out to have children is actual reality, hence you need jeets, african and arab mystery meat to keep illusion of eternal economic growth alive.>do you know how hard you have to abuse a mammal for it to stop reproducing
>>542477404The government makes money on a printer, who do they run out?
>>542477404They understand. They're just evil and lying about it. Just under the skin of every progressive democratic socialist is a blood thirsty commissar waiting for the moment they consolidate enough power to come out and dawn the fancy hat, jackboots and, little gun they will put to the back of the head of anyone who tries to disagree after there's enough retards in their camp to take over. It's not an abnormality, it's the true nature of the real believers in the ideology. And most of them can barely keep the mask on most of the time.
>>542477404ironic to your post Thatcher actually tried a central planned economy which failed spectacularly and caused economic melt down and led the UK to where it is now
>>542477404and where in capitalism do they get the infinite money? Does this also mean that she's admitting socialists don't print infinite money and only capitalits do?
>>542486841Liberals who believe they need to tax the wealthy in order for the government to "have" money to spend on things they want it to spend on are just reinforcing the same false narrative from the other end. The core point of the controlled argument is to obscure from the general public a very simple and obvious truth: we have an elastic money supply.
>>542486429He shouldn't be.
>>542486173The problem with the system isnt that theres too much freedom, its that theres not enough. If a bank wants to throw away all of its depositors money on fruit stands in saudi arabia then let it. It is up to the depositors to make a decision who to invest in. The problem is currently we have a banking cartel that tightly controls who is allowed to have a bank. That forces everyone to use these horrible irresponsible banks that are, in cooperation with the fed, debasing the dollar by multiplying it every decade. No one is allowed to use currency that is free from this kind of behavior, like gold or silver, to pay taxes, and to own a bank you need to meet stiff demands from the fed. Look up the narrow bank, a bank which was started as a social experiment to try and earn a profit through interest alone. (A narrow portfolio instead of a wide portfolio). Whereas normal banks take all of depositors' money and invest it into all sorts of wild schemes, the narrow bank would have just put their money into the fed.>A narrow bank takes deposits and invests only in interest-paying reserves at the Fed. A narrow bank cannot fail unless the US Treasury or Federal Reserve fails. A narrow bank cannot lose money on its assets. It cannot suffer a run. If people want their money back, they can all have it, instantly. A narrow bank needs essentially no asset risk regulation, stress tests, or anything else.Well, guess what. Not only are there steep monetary requirements to open a bank, but it also has to get FDIC insurance approval by the fed. And the fed demands you have a plan for how you are going to invest your deposits profitably. So, the fed refused to allow the narrow bank to open.In other words, if a bank doesn't wildly spend its deposits on the economy, the fed will shut it down. The fed is a cartel which forces american banks to operate as fractional reserve banks, investing all of your savings into businesses.
>>542485956Why the fuck would businesses want a form of currency which isn't rapidly losing value constantly and projected to be worth 1/100th of its current value in a century?To save? To avoid penetration of their markets by unsavory counterfeiters who can buy up entire industries by pressing the 0 button on their computer a bunch of times?
>>542477404Other peoples? Money is just created on a PC with a push of a button. This is outdated understanding of modern money jewish banking. >>542477745Tell me the difference between economics and feminism. I'll wait.
>>542487371>To own a bank you need to meet stiff demands from the fedOr you can just be a president. They're totally letting the trump family run a bank.
>>542486986Not wrong about that, but I still think that the leadership on both ends of the spectrum are every bit ontically as evil as the money speculators, but for different reasons. And the minions on the left are too.
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>>542487644The whole point of the scam is to tie both sides to the same debt slavery one way or the other while having each "fight" over two sides of the same political puppet kabooki theater with no sway in the outcome whatsoever.
>>542477404The problem with capitalism is that you eventually run out of other people's labor.
>>542485889holy shit look at those armsmaggie thatcher was a latina
>>542477404Stupid, evil, neoliberal bitch sold off our public services and companies, and spawned a generation of cronies to continue doing so, being rewarded with pointless jobs in the US and in private investment firms.>>542478225Who gives a shit about the debt? It's higher it's ever been and we have less services and poorer quality services, and pay much more tax proportionally, than we did when she entered government. The problem is that the government is supposed to be printing debt (that will be paid off) to make the country better, not making the country worse to pay for debt.
>>542487814The way modern "capitalism" works is basically banks/the government have an infinite money button which they use to buy as much labor as they want, and the government ensures that no one can avoid this system by for instance using a different form of currency or refusing to allow such actors into local economies. (Creating an alternative economy independent of the banks/gov)
>>542478166anything can be true or false depending on your axioms and semantics, it means absolutely fucking nothing. rhetoric is for dumb nigger retards who dont understand the is-ought gap.
>>542484767We should be voting people in based on the country's needs, but instead we have multiple neoliberal parties.Strangely, even the Green party was neoliberal - green lib dems, warmongering and Zionist, but pretending to care about the environment, hating independence-securing nuclear power while grudgingly accepting oil for their US masters), before a mix of social conservatives and the leftovers of Corbyn's movement took it over. It was very funny to see them in the back, seething as the masses voted to make anti-Zionism party policy.I hope it turns out well, and without Corbyn breathing down their neck, they don't have to pretend to give a shit about LGBT or any of the other crap. They're already asking about nuclear power, so it's possible.
>>542487371We are not in any sort of dispute about the banking cartel run by the Fed; we are in agreement there. That being said, if businesses and banks had even MORE freedom to collude, with no government restrictions in terms of any antitrust laws, you would end with a monopolization worse than what we have now. Regulation is not always the answer, but the demonization of every kind of regulation by neoliberal doctrine is exactly why we’ve ended up with such a suffocating environment for businesses.
>>542487947this isn't really true. the government doesn't actually care what private parties settle transactions in. they demand payment of taxes in the currency they issue, which is why parties under the administration of said government primarily want that currency. all the other reasons flow from that.
>>542488198The reason "neoliberal" parties dominate is because parties require money and attention and government permission. Not only are most parties that favor a nationalist position illegal in most of europe due to hate speech laws, theyre functionally illegal in the US because any member will be fired from their workplace due to civil rights laws. Secondly, since all of societys communications are run through the media, non "neoliberal" organizations are strictly shunned. A decades old contrarian party with hundreds of members might as well not exist while yesterday's neoliberal alternative with 2 members is being broadcast by the media to all around as if it's the most important thing in the world. Especially bad in places like germany with a state run media. Thirdly, since the "neoliberals" are the financial system, they have infinite money to buy up as many institutions, schools, media, politicians, judges, elections, etc that they want. It all ultimately comes down to finance and a parasite class who uses finance as the tool to direct society, which we can see a lot of looking at John Maynard Keynes and other proponents of a command economy. Bankers and politicians have infinite money which they use to direct society, like they did in ww1 and ww2.
>>542488391That is exactly why the government took a ton of steps after the civil war to make other forms of currency nonviable. For example, the crime of 1873, silver losing its legal tender status. Then gold becoming illegal in 1933 and finally nonexchangeable in 1871. While also forcing everyone into a banking system which allows them to generate infinite federal reserve notes. The whole point of the income tax and property tax systems is that it makes it impossible to even live in america without a steady stream of federal reserve notes. Which a man must get through one of the 24 primary lenders that receive those notes from the fed. Thus making every man in the economy a servant of the banks.
>>542481497Back to Palestine or Somalia, fellow "norsk". 80+ years of retard socialism in Argentina and all other countries in LatAm left hundreds of millions in poverty while the last 10-15 years backed by Soros via Foro do Sao Paulo were pure Wokism for implementing law pro- abortion, gays, trannies as if everybody worldwide has to be a jewed Protestant nihilist Weimarian faggot like the Lefties who created modern USA.Total Socialist Death. Let Milei and every other non-commie in South America OBLITERATE 50%+ of the useless Marxist bureaucracy paid by the taxes of middle-class honest workers.You fucking cuck
>>542477404The problem with capitalism is that eventually everyone is too broke to buy things. Capitalists also run out of productive things to commodify so they start figuring out how to charge people a subscription service for breathing and the only jobs are delivering goyslop and girls selling pictures of their bumholes.
>>542488648Silver was at the behest of the East coast banking establishment because they had gold.As for all of your other stuff, yes, that's the point of money: to provision the government. It's to bring resources out of the private sector and into the public. How much? Well that's a political debate, but the mechanisms remain the same.But yes, taxation is first and foremost to drive the money. The federal government doesn't need it for revenue.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT4JLIuFhaA
>>542478909Miggers are dirty commies
>>542486974USSR never had inflation prices were set in stoneUSSR also never had a depression
>>542488875History is full of governments debasing their currency out of desire for armies, public works, etc, etc. It is also full of economic collapses. It is a prosperous and free society with a stable currency and a culture of economic thrift and saving that creates a powerful government. It is a society of bums and criminals that causes the collapse of a society. The government's shortsighted desire for control (which makes sense in the immediate context of, for example, WW2) has led to the collapse of personal economics and personal ethics across our civilization, which are the foundations of society.
>>542489248Yes, but history also is full of misconceptions about what money is and what gives it value. The truth is that nothing I say is ever going to convince a goldbug that the value of their favorite metal is in reality only tangibly connected to the industrial and chemical processes that require it to produce other goods, services, and materials. For them, they are never going to accept that the value attached to their favorite metal sitting in vaults and shaped into jewelry is illusory. So really, goldbugs and libertarians are best just ignored; let them play with their action figures in the corner.
>>542477404capitalists dont understand that capitalists keep making money and the money doesnt actually run out
>>542489410But the spacebucks that Pakistan used to build a roller coaster is valuable, if it wasn’t then Baby Fark McGeezax wouldn’t have stolen it from the Space Bank after he broke out of Space Jail.
>>542489410You cannot have a society that punishes savers and lenders and rewards spenders and borrowers. The fundamental root of prosperity has been violated. The reason why goldbugs like gold and silver is because of their comparative neutrality. The inflation caused by more advanced mining techniques is both scant and neutral compared to the inflation enabled by money printers. To say nothing of the ramifications of national fiat currencies. Think of the benefits a metal currency would have on our current outsourcing crisis, when our currency stops being arbitrarily worth 20x as much as that of India's, thus allowing our own industries a fair chance at competing. There are plenty of practical benefits to choosing officially stamped metal instead of officially stamped paper or (worse) officially programmed computer programs. The major point here is to avoid any one party having massive amounts of power over everyone else.
>>542490369They like gold and silver because they want to be able to choke off tax credits to people they deem lesser than them. They want to be able to impose austerity and force people into Weimar-tier exploitation. Everything else they say is just marketing.
>>542487624The retirement meme is a bit of a meme, if you think about it. The beginning is all dramatic n shitz but let's be real, the children are always the parents' slaves, just like their children will become their slaves and so on and on. Now the oldies have retirements, but in the past, the kids had to take care of them. So who was the slave back then? All you fucks had to do, was keep a stable 2.1 birth rate, and this system could easily have worked.
