Is there any chance the computer parts market stabilize anytime before christmas or we have to wait until Trump dies/exits his term to buy things again?Anything with memory chips is at least twice as expensive. Not only new shit but the old things are now 2x the price as well.
Asian parties?
>>542484103dum dum its cause of datacenters, and no it wont end with Trump. both sides support datacenters
>>542484103No chance, sorry anon. You better start working like a slave for more money.
Just buy graphics cards from Spanish manufacturers and ignore the English Market entirely.
>>542484103Lolno.Instead Trump is going to be impeached and removed from office for being the worst president in us history.
>>542484103I build a whole new computer some weeks ago for 1500€, with a 5070.Your pic can't be real.
>>542484336Mit 8gb arbeitsspeicher, einfach wunderbar
>>542484336indeed, even tho it says 2024 and its mexican so who knows, i got a chink rx580 like that years ago for 200€
>>542484198both sides support flock cameras, both sides support bio metric ID, boths sides support you will own nothing and be happy or we'll downgrade your neuralink credit score
>>542484301im trying to buy chinese shit>>542484336mexican pesos1 burger dollar=17 pesos
>>542484103just settle for 30fps and old games broyou dont actually need 999999 pixels
>>542484103No, just buy used if you really need something; if not, just buy a Steam Machine. Prices will only increase more in the future.
Prices only ever go up, never down. When they get an excuse to multiply prices people accept it, then get used to it. Many people stop buying, many continue. Selling with hilarious margins to a smaller group of buyers is more profitable. Prices on this stuff will never come down.This isn't 1990, there is no functioning capitalist economy, no competitor will appear and offer a better deal bringing prices back to earth. In the 2020s everything is a monopoly, if a competitor does appear it gets bought out and becomes part of the monopoly. Look at cars, chip shortage solved years ago, price of new cars doubled since 2019, never came down. Volkswagen just released the new VW Lupo, €45.000, for a VW Lupo. Ten years ago €45.000 got you a well specced mercedes E-class or Jaguar XF. Now it gets you a povery spec economy shitbox
How will one of those improve Rimworld for me?
>>542484561Inflation has been 15% a year across the entire "first world" the past 7 years.
>>542484103hustle more
>>542484626Why do chinks and shitskins just want to keep coming here and never go back then?
>>542484496When I built a PC in 2016 the price of ram also doubled or something the next year or so, I got 96gb of ram last year for 280 euro, wish Id gotten sodimms too
>>542484103You will own nothing.
>>542484596Ive been playing the LOTR mod for it and its kinda fun, not substantial just has ggondor and mordor but they are developing it atm they got rohirrim and assets working. Legacy of the rim one not lord of the rims
>>542484481Ah okay that makes more sense
>>542484682Because inflation is 17% not 1700% , not that anyone gives a shit anyway nonono cpi is 2.3% sir!
Have you tried not eating fancy toast?
>>542484198>>542484461Yep, pretty much this, they both "hate" Chyna because they want the rest of the world to be like that.
>>542484813so it's 1700% in their home countries? how do they eat then if they're so poor?
>>542484103>spics are paying $3k for a video card from 2017 that was chinkware poverty-tier shit when it launchedWhy does god hate mexicans so much? What did they even do?
>>542485142Softened the gates for India
>>542484103It won't end with Trump because Trump isn't to blame for it.
>>542484103It really isn't due to Trump, it's the A.I. Boom, hermano. Until that subsides and dies down a bit the parts are going to stay expensive.
>>542484867Because china used to be a low trust society, it's not anymore
>>542484103It won't end unless you start taking some actions against data centers.
>>542484103Imagine paying $3000 for a video card when there’s only 3 games worth playingLmfao lmao even
>>542484103No it gets worse given chipmakers face literally 0 reprisal over capping production to force artificial scarcity with "plausibility" of "umm ai corpos bought all of them and the future ones up to 5 years without 0 money paid upfront"
>>542484103Never gonna happen I've got my old PCs stored at my mom's because crime has gotten so bad here
>>542485571Well it's good that money is flowing into that sector, means by the time ddr6 is a thing it'll be really impressive thanks to niggers funding it
>>542484103>Is there any chance the computer parts market stabilize anytimelolno
>>542484336>he bought a 12gb card in 2026You fucked up Hannz. My computer is barely stable running shitty 12b models on 16gb 5070ti. I even run it on linux to make sure every last vram isn't being used up by jeetware windows and its still 1gb away from dumping everything to system. There is no way anything decent runs on that fucking thing. You got memed.>but I got it for gaymingLOL you are retarded.
>>542485668The problem there is no money there is "a promise of money" and "a promise of products". chipmakers don't make anything but pretend to on paper.
>>542485684Lol coomer mutt
>>542484103Nah its cooked for the unforseeable future. If you happen to see anyone involved in silicon Valley tech industry. Beat them to death cartel style in Fortnite Pedro.
>>542485750That's the situation at novida where they give cards in advance and expect payment from datacenters when they begin to be profitable, they're going to crash
>>542484461and both sides hate the fact that i always have an m4 and an ak47 on me and i can't be controlled, and i don't give a fuck either.
>>542484103Prices will dump as datacenters start to dump old tech for new.
>>542484103WORLD WAR THREE IS COMING SO WHY BOTHERthanks Trump
>>542485684what does such a machine produce for you? other than pron
>>542484888Poor people eat the best quality food in the world.
>>542484461>both sides support bio metric ID, boths sides support you will own nothing and be happy or we'll downgrade your neuralink credit scorethe left doesnt support any of that, rightoid dems and repugs do
>>542484103sorry, mexibro. you were supposed to buy all of your parts before the ram crunch. I've got a few rigs to last me through the drought
>>542484103https://youtube.com/shorts/cJAc2mCx1aE
>>542484103It smells bad, very bad. The bubble poping, capex stops and prices normalize after a while scenario is unlikely, the problem with this one, the us government decided ai is strategic so they will inject money to make sure it doesn't happen. New players are still far from entering the market. It's been a decade since the first crypto boomer that market was very unstable. The strategy is, wait until prices normalize and buy the best you can get as it might be the last you have for the next 5 years.
>>542484596rimworld is too motherfuckin hard, i cant get refrigeration up and running in time before all the packaged food runs out, and my kills all end up rotting after a day or two and there aren't enough raids to sustain the colony (no we don't hunt animals, we only eat the flesh of our enemies + victims). last time i played my colonists just stopped following my commands and spent all day going into this cave and eating hallucinogenic alien jelly off the walls, until one day the bugs found them and killed them horrifically.
>>542484103Is $3000 a lot of money for one of those? Seems pretty cheap for a yearly buy into a hobby if you're an adult with a job and free time to fuck around with hobbies.
>>542484103very very unlikely
>>542485684You're a faggot and you run gay shit
>>542484103have you not learned anything? prices are NEVER coming down. if an army of retards pays whatever they ask and they reel in record profits anyways, they can assume 2 things:1. this item is priced correctly since people are accepting its arbitrary value2. the loss of potential poorfag customers like (You) is negligible in the grand scheme
>>542484103I upgraded my pc a while back but I still have my old parts. No idea what your rig is like but if you want a GTX 1080 and an i7 7700k I can literally just mail it to you because I don't need/want these parts anymore and they're just taking up space.
>>542484103>computer parts market stabilize anytime before christmasNo way. You might find a decent Black Friday deal, but fundamentally, data centers are currently the most profitable lan use there is, to the point that the companies pay ludicrous multiples for land to build them. Those people pay 5-10x just for the land, so there's no way they can't afford to pay insane hardware prices as well. In practise, the prices have stabilized to a new market reality where retail buyers just don't matter that much right now.
>>542484561Volkswagen is at the (rightfull) brink of death for pulling bullshit like this
>>542486051I've automated 90% of my remote job. I run local because I'm not training Sam Kikeman's AI to do my job. I've heard rumors of employers being contacted by AI companies ratting out employees doing this to their employer and then offering their now fully trained model as a cheaper alternative. Also there's lots of confidential shit in there and I'm not a complete piece of shit. I wouldn't just feed it all to some data center for free. The fact they make you pay is just the last nail in the coffin. Local training based on open source models are the chance for us little people to have a future.
>>542484561in addition to this, a potential competitor on the scene just also asks the arbitrary multiplier on a product even if they produce it for free. why? because people are used to the prices.take vegan "milk" for example. there was a time when it was new and expensive and risky to bring such a product onto the market. hence, it was more expensive than actual milk, because it was a novelty, you obviously save the planet, and vegan = automatically healthy, and vegans are used to paying more for avoiding meat and dairy.nowadays, the price is the same, even with hundreds of different products by different suppliers, everyone just went with it and asked the same price. and what’s in a vegan milk anyways, that’s being sold for 2-3 euros while actual milk costs 1? 1 cent worth of grains or nuts, 1 cent worth of 1 liter of water, 10 cents for the tetra pak cartel. shelf price for a 12 cent product that never spoils because it has no nutritional value: 2-3 eurospeople are used to it. vegans have no alternative to it. everyone can ask these prices because fuck timmy gon doi just hate this gay world
>>542484103Zero chance
>>542484561>>542486403>Prices only ever go up, never downHow can people say such dumb shit so confidently about tech?
>>542485684and yet my 2060 founders edition with 8gig vram is just fine, try harder lying faggot
>>542487595of course the retarded migger puts spy tech in his house. he is too dumb to care.
>>542484103Why didn't you build a pc before the prices went up? I only play Marvel Rivals because everything else sucks.
>>542486955> a potential competitor on the scene just also asks the arbitrary multiplier on a productThat would create a great opportunity to compete tho, especially in a market where DRAM is easily identified as the main bottleneck.The problem is that even if the US-ban on EUV lithography machines was lifted tomorrow, China would still need some 4+ years to mass-produce with all the technological needs these machines have (cleanroom standards, vibration isolation, etc.) - and that's ignoring how few machines ASML produces each year and how few of those would actually go to China.They couldn't even reverse engineer them in less that 4-5 years either with all the specialized components (lasers that fire at tin particles 50.000 times a second, highly reflective Zeiss mirrors, etc.).The prices will stay high as long as the data center demand persists and there's no demand-side fix in sight.
>>542484198>cause of datacentersDatacenters are a convenient reason for GPU's to cost so much, but the truth is they don't want the unwashwd masses to have powerful enough GPU's to use AI at home in any dangerous capacity, so you must already be wealthy if you want to do anything besides have a quantized waifu running on your 5090 that you paid $3k for
>>542488026>supply-side fix*Yikes, brainfart moment.
>>542484561>>542486955Hear hear. Our economies are nothing but debt-based ponzi schemes. The logical thing to happen in an economy is deflation as productivity and technology advance. Literally the only reason we will never get out of the inflationary cycle without a catastrophe global crisis is because debt lenders would lose money with deflation. Even though that could easily be fixed contractually, the already existing insane debt from interest will never allow anyone to leave the inflationary cycle of doom.
>>542487830>"Electronic prices always go up">this popular gadget cost 70x as much twenty years ago as it does now>"STFU MIGGER"What do we even have words for anymore
>>542485684I play 1080p it runs absolutely everything with everything on ultra.
>>542488034Millions of teenagers still buy GPUs every year, they just pay more for them.
>>542484103noit will take 1 y minimum, might take 3 yhard to say when ai companies are now taking loans to pay debt interestnormaly they would bancrupt by now they are doing "big shorts" and the 401k retirement plan will be used to cover the ai recesion
>>542490454No they don't, the DIY consumer PC market has almost zero customers right now. Teenagers are doomscrolling on their phones now
>ai jews ruin gaming“but why do you hate ai!?”
8GB, into the garbage. Fuck this, I'm buy a Switch 2 For Zelda OoT remake. Bing Bing Whoo here I come. Pic related because this is what the Great Fairies should look like frfr, fuck you jannies
>IIIIIIII MUUUUUUUUSSSSSSTTTTTTT CONNNNNNNN>SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
>>542488034ding ding ding ding dingsame reason ARM refused to sell their 6GHZ CPUs to the public. or their CPUs that you couldn't sidechannel attack.
>>542491438>No they don'tYes they do.>the DIY consumer PC market has almost zero customers right nowProofs? I can go on Amazon and buy everything I need to build a new PC today.
>>542484103Iran blew up Qatar's natural gas plants and Ukraine blew up a bunch of Russia's, which had the side effect of taking about half the world's helium supply offline. It's a critical component for semiconductor manufacturing, so all this stuff is going to be very expensive for the foreseeable future. Likely even more expensive than today as stockpiles run out.
>>542484103Stabilize: A couple years.As affordable as before AI: Never.I just ended up buying a 5090 at current prices anyway. Does double duty for gaming and local AI, and when good dedicated AI local hardware (the current options aren't that great) I'll invest in that and the 5090 will still be good for gaming for years.
>>542485992How so?If they dump used products it is becayse they are 24/7 run ultra abused hard drives, ssds, ram, and gpus, kept at near peak load and heat generation and product degradation for their entire life.Those are the last parts anyone would want. Then they are buying up the new production so it isn't available either.
>>542484103Don't use or pay AI companies and boycott social media and avoid all avoidable ads and the problem will solve itself before long.Anyone who pays these scammers a dime is basically paying someone to fuck you over three times over, you'll be paying double for all electronics until this entire megascam has been annihilated by market forces and the reality of AI being unprofitable. I'd estimate 2028 so if you need something before then may as well get it over with and just buy one tier below what you usually get.
>>542492022>when good dedicated AI local hardware (the current options aren't that great)tried out the nvidia spark. Wait for more options. It wasn't blowminding. If you are running a custom harness, the PCIe accelerator cards might be up your alley. You can find a way to slot them into workflows
>>542485992All that stuff is headed straight to the shredder. You're delusional if you think anyone will resell it.
>>542492144This will not work. Already AI is cheaper than offshore bullshit developers. Although much of the marketing and hype is in fact a "scam", the reality of the situation is that only 4 or so companies have enough compute to train frontier models. Amazon took 20+ years to turn a profit. Right now its about monopolization and domination. They expect to run at a lost for decades. You are not analyzing this correctly.
>>542492525No serious market is going to fund 20 years of AI scammers burning through trillions of dollars worth of energy/fuel so that they can eat eachother every 2-3 months to release a new "better model". Amazon created tons of revenue in the intervening period. AI scammers are so bad with maths and money and the market is so cutthroat they'll all be out of business 2-3 years from now. You're right that AI isn't going anywhere (away I mean) but that doesn't mean SBF-tier scammers like Altman and Amodei will get away with it for much longer.I'll take my chances, worst case scenario I'll pay more for my next rig/upgrade a few years from now, but since I hate social media and use adblockers anyway it's not much of an issue for me to do so.
>>542492865You are correct that many of the current runrunners will wither and die. Many but not all. Look at the dotcom boom. Google rose, AOL, yahoo, askjeeves, countless other search frontrunners crumbled. Same with the TV boom, the radio boom, the railroad boom, the texile boom, the XXXXX boom. This is very normal.Most people don't need new devices, a 2015 laptop with linux will outperform a $500 laptop with windows 11 in just about every 'user metric' like keystroke latency. Take your old device, burn something like Omarchy on it, go about your day. You only need new hardware if you are doing 8k video editing work (and don't want to work with proxy files), are otherwise enslaved to adobe products or are crunching numbers via coding. Thats it.
>>542493569>runrunners*frontrunners
>>542486494give it to a White guy, not someone from mexico. the last thing beaners need is more god damn handouts from White people.
>>542484103that will only happen if we get an ai winterotherwise everyrhing cmoputer will get routed to the utility monster that is mass automationyou are just witnessing the market doing its thing. It's not the malicious proce gouging that pharma does
>>542493853>you are just witnessing the market doing its thing. It's not the malicious proce gouging that pharma doeswell the corpos get to buy futures on the manufacturing. So they aren't paying full price for the chips. So the excess stock that trinkles down to the consumer and pro-sumer markets are "price gouged" in a sense. There is a contradiction in that moore's law for hardware has in many ways marched on. But in the software space, single thread speed is the actual important part.
>>542486108How do they afford it with 1700% inflation?
>>542484103You fucked up by not buying earlier. Everyone knew what was going to happen with the prices in advance. This is not Trump's fault, so shit isn't going back to normal even if he disappears today.
Anyone ever wondered why there's no used-gpu racket the same way there's a used-car racket? Here in the Balkans, cars are driven a few kilometers before importing them to countries, thus they become "used" and their prices drop. Can't you brownoids do the same with PC parts over there?
>>542493569Pretty much. I also got "lucky" enough to upgrade to a [] with [] RAM before the prices went (even more) ballistic so I'm good for now anyway. I figure I can make it to 2030 easily by which time a new build with mid to high-mid tier GPU and 128GB+ mem should be doable, plus if the market really fucks up in the meantime we'll just revert to DDR4 kek.>linuxyeah I've been using it for all craptops, gives you that 50% performance and even free disk space that Win would otherwise nibble away even if you disable all the bloat, sadly I'm still stuck with Win for UE but I think I might just abandon that plan altogether since AI nuked that along with everything else, at this point I just want to make some music to leave something behind before the C19 cancers etc kick in and it's time to commit sudoku
>>542492865Anthropic had a net profit last quarter. Google nets ~$100 billion every year. Nvidia has similar net income. OpenAI will probably collapse within the next year, and so will a lot of the smaller AI meme companies whose business model is basically "[thing that already exists] but with AI!" which are the real bubble. But the AI technology itself and the real tech giants aren't going anywhere.
>>542494543If you are using UE for work. You are stuck. If you are working on your own project, fuck that noise bro. Just do your own engine. Especially if you are already vibing, that eliminates the most annoying parts, mainly interacting with syscalls and the like. I'm waiting for JAI public release (already in the beta), to play around in gamemaking again.
>>542485684>tfw running on 4GB card and getting great outputthe trick is not expecting amazing performance out of the box; you gotta work for that shit. you think all these people dumping local gens on /b/ are running standard? fuck no.
>>542484103I have one of those cards collecting dust. I'll sell it to you for $1111 and you pay for shipping
>>542484512You can get a high quality AM4 motherboard for under $70. Same with used DDR4. Older GPUs are rising in price, but otherwise most of that older stuff can be grabbed for cheap, and a 2060 can run shit really well
>>542485992>Prices will dump as datacenters start to dump old tech for new.Most of the newer generations of AI datacenter tech isn't really usable in a consumer PC. Using actual consumer PCIe based GPUs for that stuff was a stopgap. A LOT of the datacenter server hardware for the last ~10 years uses things like SXM mezzanines that are much more complicated to actually use in a non-server consumer PC. Which also typically aren't compatible across generations. Plus by the time datacenter GPUs tech is so old and obsolete that they dump it on the surplus market, it's probably too old and obsolete for gaming or whatever you want to use it for.
>>542484103next year will be just as fucked if not more
>>542484103No.Memory contracts are sold out THROUGH 20272028 is the earliest they will stabilize
>>542484103What you need to do is buy Micron and TSMCand as their stock goes up, take out some gains to su sidize your memory purchase.Seriously.That fits your time horizon by Christmas.You'll have a 10 - 30% gain by Christmas(Micron will be 1200 - 1400 in December)(TSM is about to moon)
>>542495202my "compute box" is an ancient 4+GHZ FX chip, AM3 mobo, 64GB DDR3, and a 2090 GPU. Would cost you less than $800 to put that together with still in box parts. Less than $500 with used stuff. That thing will run almost all new games. SINGLE THREAD PERFORMANCE is the name of the game for actual workflows.
>>542484103Nope, we're turning into Mexico.
>>542484103Que tan pobre estás que no te alcanza para una de esas mierdas reacondicionadas chinas?
Before Christmas? Unlikely.In 2 years? Yeah probably.
>>542484103no we are fucked
>>542495387>single thread performance>using an AMD FX chipAre you retarded?
>>542484103It's not Trump who's really behind it. Yes, the 500 billion dollar "golden age" deal he made at the start of 2025 accelerates it, but this push was already part of the UN's own 2030 plan, where private ownership is phased out and you will eat ze bugs.It's literally jews trying to take control over white society with a divide and conquer strategy while we're fighting each other due to the same culture war they already psyopped into existence using Twitter.
>>542488034>truth is they don't want the unwashwd masses to have powerful enough GPU's to use AI at home in any dangerous capacityyup, they used the home computer market to fund research into their new god and now are cutting that market of. it's over. you can rent a cloud gaming service to play your games on and that will be all.
>>542484867Every hardline politician for life has watched themselves dwindle in power for the last 20 years even despite the Patriot Act and respective initiatives throughout the EU. They used the Migrant crises to destabilize social cues and trust, and they're using the uprising against it to get consent to get more authority again. Literally anyone who's a politician wants this, no matter which isle they belong to. They've felt "the people" disrespect authority and strip them of their stupid Cable TV narrative of truth thanks to the internet, and liberalist CEOs using marketing against Big Government as well, so they're all concerting on one gigantic takeover and return to political authoritarianism for the foreseeable future.And the only way we stop it is if we all first and foremost recognize it, also our moms and dads and normie friends, and secondly, you have to actually speak truth to power and enough have to be willing to throw themselves at the wolves (that means getting into episodes of police brutality and imprisonment) so that the state has to throw an inexcusable amount of normies in prison for dissent, before they will ever give up on this initiative.Politicians have banded together to do this. The problem is politicians.
I just modded my Playstation 1 with a PicoStation, proceeded to order a 512gb microsd to put all my fav games on it and relive my teens... turns out a 512gb goes for 70 dollars, when i got the same one for 20 last January for a client that wanted a dashcam.Seriously whats the excuse other than the chosen people of god decided that they will ask for more schekels?
>>542497033It beats out i7s in wprime computes. Point taken though. Bulldozer and piledriver were misguided. Fact remains that they still play all the new games (unless the required AV2 instruction sets), and you are not going to get more bang for your buck, those chips are <$50 because of the reputation.
>>542484103If they gave you an answer, you'd know and not spend anymore than you need to.
>>542491769>Proofs? I can go on Amazon and buy everything I need to build a new PC today.can confirm, own a local pc shop and the prices are retarded and price normal people out. 89usd ram kits sitting at 489usd rn lmfao
>>542484103I hope no one actually buys that shit. You can get those cards for $50.>>542497588You can get an i7 4790 for $35 which is going to be way better and has avx2.
>>542484198No one want to discuss the fact tech companies got $50 billion in handouts a few years ago.
>>542484103I never understood retards who feel the need to upgrade their PC's every 3 months. Shit the last time I upgraded RAM in my computer was 2016 and couldn't give a fuck to do it again.
>>542484103If you want to play video games, buy a console already.
>>542484103my old shit works just fine
Nobody shreds anything but HDD you absolute faggot
>>542498816I'll do it if I get a fat bonus and have nothing else major that takes priority, but that's like once every several years, not every few months. Some people just have more disposable income I guess.
>>542498816>upgrademy gpu got fuckedi wouldnt "upgrade" if i had something functionalim gonna have to eat rice and sardines for the rest of the year
>>542500941>my gpu got fucked.How? Did you sit on it you retarded spic?
>>542487770>there is a huge differenceI'm sorry mate, just recently upgraded from 8gb VRAM to 16gb RX 9070 XTand nothey basically downgraded textures with LOD to fit 8gb (around 1gb VRAM is hogged up for Windows anyway, so it's more like 7gb)my only grief: I wish it had a 24gb VRAM edition for future proofing (and sadly AMD implements DLSS5 like tech 1-2 years later, but unlocks it on prev gen cards)
>>542501002one of the fuses (like in pic) near the pci connector fell off and took the solder off the card it randomly peeled off while in use
>>542484103Computer parts aren't expensive because of trump, they are expensive because globalist retards deindustrialized europe and the usa, so asia has a complete monopol on creating ram, cpus and gpus and can assrape the entire world with it because only they can produce it.
>>542492463They should be forced by law to resell them.
>>542484103No. Do you have any idea how bad things are going to get? I don't think you do. Imagine 100 times more money for an older, shittier product. Now multiply that by 100 and you're not even close.
>>542484103I think that timeline is about right, though not having anything to do with trump. It's about the economics of the situation
>>542501189Stop smashing your desk, Paco
