Israel behind it someone to take control of Syria later

Syria was a nice, wealthy land before Islam. It was green to instead of a desert shithole. Arabs and their goats destroyed the Middle East.

>>542545516
Fiery, but mostly peaceful. Unironically.

Qrd

>>542545674
It's simpler than that. Since Jolani took power, Israelis started raiding Syrian villages and taking over them one by one with Jolani doing absolutely nothing to help the people of the region.
And now the oil prices are skyrocketing following the Iran war while Syria's own oil wells are being exploited by foreign powers.

>>542545516
Syria was a nice, wealthy land before Amerimutts destroyed it.

>>542545854
this: >>542545875
Your expanding buffer zones and oil prices surging for Syria citizens (despite being an oil producer) fueled the unrest basically

>>542545516
I wouldn't hold my breath.

>>542546521
I'm holding mine. Seems like there will be major changes in the region this month.

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>>542545516
The jihadi stooge will just behead half of them

>>542546722
The only thing Syria has to worry about is Iran backed Iraqi militias. Besides that, the nation is steadily being pacified.

>>542545516
Can sandnigs do anything besides blow things up?

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>>542545516
They can enjoy the fun times with their new Jew-American puppet leader. Assad isn't coming back to wipe their asses for them. They should have been happy with what they had.

>>542546849
>The jihadi stooge will just behead half of them
He has a problem if tribal factions rebel. He can behead urban or village modernfags. He can't win against a coalition of tribal pickup dwellers. They're the ones who gave him power in the first place.

>>542546856
I don't think the people that took to the street are protesting Iran. They don't face any threat from there anymore. Their western side is being slowly eaten by Israel and they're deprived of their own oil which is extracted by foreign powers making them the arab country with the highest oil price. That's what led people to the streets.

I don't think the US, the UK and Israel will be keen on sharing the Syrian oil to calm the protesters. Not in today's paradigm.

>>542547169
>They should have been happy with what they had.

You mean a genocide perpetrated by the shia minority, Iranian forces, and lebanon's hezbollah? That's what they had. Funny how millions returned when assad fell.

>>542545516
What are those retards up to now?

>>542547380
>t. Kike

>>542547388
Hello neighbor, here's a summary of the situation:
>>542545875
>>542545947
>>542547314

Still not an uprising but could very quickly turn into one

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>>542547380
>just think of the poor heckin 60 IQ sunni sandnigger retards
>how could heckin Assad shuffle this human dross away like that and build a functioning country by doing so
Seriously nigger?

>>542547175
lol

>>542547314
The Kurds used to control most of their oil. And this is still being organized. Investment is coming in, markets are just now opening up, etc.

And they don't have another civil war in them. Iraqi militias are their greatest threat.

>>542547380
I've already seen countless videos of Jolani men beheading elderly people, raping little girls and playing with soon to be mass grave occupants with a hysterical smile on their face to know they're not any good themselves.
They look like Assyrian death hordes straight out of the bronze age. The mercenary captives in Yemen too.

>>542545516
>>542547169
still playing vidya assad? what are you playing rn?

>>542547626
>Investment is coming in, markets are just now opening up, etc.
Well for now it doesn't look like it at all. People are starting to take to the streets. They have the highest oil prices in the arab world and the Israelis are still raiding villages on the north west. Not that you're wrong, but i'll have to wait for evidence of your words.

>>542547639
This is what happens when a government changes. It happens everywhere. Eliminating competition and chastising parts of the population.

>>542547169
assad was a loser. al sharaa had that dog in him

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WHO MUST GO

>/sg/ days

>>542547819
Well, it's happening. This isn't Start Trek. Things don't change within minutes. It takes time.

And the Israelis are going to keep attempting to enlarge their buffer zone. They have historically been attacked from the north. They're not just go to sit there and look stupid.

Are you Syrian?

>>542547843
Absolutely not. You're pushing your rethoric too far. What i've witnessed has nothing to do with eliminating rival leaders or combatants. The behaviors of the Jolani hords i witnessed in telegram videos exceeds what i've seen from ISIS. They're crazed beasts in transe. Not normal by any stretch of the imagination.
Playing footy with the head of an elderly person or bullying a pre-teen girl before raping and beheading her. Dragging grandpas with canes out of their houses and repeatedly slamming their heads against the floor while hysterically laughing isn't part of the organic process you describe.
They've been doing that to their supposed fellow citizens nonetheless and non combatants for the most part. I also watched recordings of them arguing and speaking with one another. I don't know what these guys come from but i know they're worst than Assad, Hafez, Iran, ISIS or whatever comes to mind.

Their leader putting on a suit and smiling next to international leaders doesn't fool me one bit.

>>542548027
>Are you Syrian?
No, i'm not. I'm not gonna ask you whether you're Jewish.
>Things don't change within minutes. It takes time.
Maybe so. I just said i don't see any signs of such changes so far.

>And the Israelis are going to keep attempting to enlarge their buffer zone. They have historically been attacked from the north. They're not just go to sit there and look stupid.
The other way around. They've been expansive on that area since the 60s / 70s even when the other side was only reactive. I either know more of the specifics of what happens in the region or you're heavily ideologically biased.

>>542548301
They're all guilty of the same crimes. Just because you don't see it, that doesn't mean it's not happening.

>>542548520
Again. Maybe you're right. But i only speak on the basis of what i was i see. You're implying i don't have the full picture but i'd like for you to elaborate more.

>>542548513
I'm not Jewish. The signs are that the embargo stopped and their markets are opened up. They have just now been reconnected to global finance.

Have they historically not been attacked through the north? Did I read my Bible wrong? Did the Arab powers not try to get the jump on them multiple times? Was Golan Heights not used to take pot shots at them for years?

It looks like you're the one who is ideologically based. Ignoring reality is what caused this situation.

>>542548690
Iran keeps a praetorian of foreigners to handle their population. Assad did the same thing. All sides are viscously butchering their enemies. They are all tyrants.

>>542545516
Great, more migrants.
At least this will cement the right wing in Europe.

>>542549305
Europe is fucked and they should be worried about the Iranian refugees that they will take in in numbers far larger than the last.

>>542547994
the lion needs to stop playing csgo and drinking vodka in moscow and liberate his people

Why does a Moroccan (a country notoriously allied with Israel) want based Al sharaa to fail? Hmmm?

>>542548846
>I'm not Jewish.
I said i wouldn't ask because it wouldn't matter.

>Did I read my Bible wrong?
Your Bible is propaganda and a compilation of self-aggrandizing tales for its authors. Some parts of it are accurate, others are gross distortions, and some are straight out fabrications or borrowings from other cultures.

>Have they historically not been attacked through the north?
Once. In 1947-1948 when the Arabs rejected the UN resolution of splitting of palestine between two states. Since then, the following agressions were initiated by Israel including the capture of the Syrian Golan Height which to this day remains internationally recognized as occupied territory and multiple skirmishes and raids similar to what happens today between 1967 and 1973 where the IDF was trying to bait Syrians into a response to justify further expansion (which always was their strategy since the early years of their formation as a state).
In 1973, they launched a joint attack with Egypt. Egyptians seeking to recapture the Sinai and Syrians seeking to retake the Golan both occupied territories of theirs.
And again, since then, Israel has been taunting and provoking on that front, not the Syrians.

>Was Golan Heights not used to take pot shots at them for years?
As i said before, aside from the 1947 event, no. They tried to retake an occupied territory in 1973. Aside from that exception, it was nearly exclusively Israeli shellling, raids on villages or petty stuff like stealing the herds of some shepherds here and there.

>It looks like you're the one who is ideologically based.
I assure you i'm not. You are. If you're not Jewish as you claim, you're still an evangelist who draws his parallels and positions from a fictional book.

>Iran keeps a praetorian of foreigners to handle their population.
You mean the Basij? They're not foreigners.

>>542549305
The right in Europe is super pro Zionist

>>542549637
I want decent folks to prevail and your guy is an Al Qaeda zealot with a hord of crazed demons who commit unspeakable things and record them. I see no difference with ISIS. The only difference is western approval.

I don't like Bashar and Saddam alike. There's nothing to like about them, but if you were to ask me: pest or cholera? I'd pick the dictatorship over the hords of death.

>>542545854
They can't handle gas prices increase

>>542549828
Yeah right…
And you want the decent folks to prevail by fighting another destructive civil war?
You are either a dirty kike or a majosi.

>>542549987
Not what i said. Not what i want.
>You are either a dirty kike or a majosi.
Neither and you could deduce it from reading my other comments. What do you want? What's the future you imagine for Lebanon for example?

>>542545875
You're telling me the big bad ISIS muslim warlord is helping Israel? That's just crazy bro.

>>542549637
Don't buy the sleight of hand. Jolani is Trump's boy.

>>542549671
Did Assyria, Babylon, Greece and Rome not invade from the north? The north is the classical invasion route of Israel.

So, yes. They have been playing games with Israel and Israel has been playing games with them. Golan can be used to project power on Israel so it's in their interest to take it. They don't care about your fake international law that no one follows.

When I was a kid the news would often talk about attacks from Golan. I'm sure if I looked I would find evidence of Muslims setting up shop and launching rockets into Israel.

> If you're not Jewish as you claim, you're still an evangelist who draws his parallels and positions from a fictional book.
Literally the boss.

Iran has foreign militias made up of foreigners to act as a praetorian guard. These are ideologically aligned and mercenary troops meant to act as a praetorian guard. This is quite common. Just because they frame it differently it doesn't make it so.

>>542545875
Wait, why would an ISIS warlord not repel an Israeli invasion?

>>542545730
Syria was nice before Nato and Israel bombed the shit of it.

>>542550384
> so what you mean is [fabricated semantic shift]
You'll have more success gaslighting your son, i'm certain. But you know i said no such thing and you're grasping at straws and being a poor rethorician rather than arguing what i actually said head on if you don't like it.

>>542545911

>>542547380
yid

>>542550527
>Wait, why would an ISIS warlord not repel an Israeli invasion?
He's not from ISIS, he's an ex- Al Qaeda member. I know it's the same to you but they're two different things. As to the why, you're free to speculate. I'm keeping it to factual statements about the reality on the ground.

>>542550569
putin and assad bombed the shit of it, you dumb nigger.

>>542549495
russian niggers and his army betrayed him. russia could easily stop jihadi rats convoy with a few airstrikes if they wanted.

Every Single Time?

>>542550726
ok why did they bomb their own country? maybe maybe those jihadi niggers armed by turkey and usa went amok on syrian gov forces?

>>542550730
Assad should have done his own fighting instead of leaving it in the hands of others.

>>542550808
>bro just fight on your own when jihadi rats supplied armed funded by gulf niggers, turkey, usa, uk

nah what assad did was miracle. in the end he was defated by sanctions.

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>>542547380
Shia rule convert to avoid it. Sunni rule convert your land to Israel and die because you can't convert to Judaism.

>>542550726
Israel is frequently making raids of them since decades. You wasn't even born faggot

>>542550924
He was defeated by his own weaknesses. He wanted to rob his country not rule it and that's why he's gone. That's why his army quit on him.

>>542550503
>Did Assyria, Babylon, Greece and Rome not invade from the north? The north is the classical invasion route of Israel.
Your point is moot for multiple reasons.
1/ Your referral to bronze age and iron age cultures and civilizations like the Mitanni and Assyrians as an argument of authority for "them playing games with Israel" is enough for me to put you in the "crazed lunatic" box. You're a zealot who's beliefs come straight out of the bible.

2/ Israel already holds the highground in the Golan. They're after a security insurance but after a territorial expansion that has no justification or moral basis if you exclude your Biblical fanaticism from the equation. So it's either or: either you just stop arguing and speak your truth as a Biblical fanatic or you hold the most respectable position that can be held by someone who wishes to defend the unjustifiable and it's that might is right and anything beyond that is just nonsense.

>When I was a kid the news would often talk about attacks from Golan.
None. Anything that came after the 1948 war was always Israel initiating attacks and trying to bait Syrians into reacting and most of the time, Syrians did not took the bait because Israelis were doing so because they were stronger and wished to provoke a casus belli to take more territory. In 1967, they attacked first and took the Golan. Since then, they kept harrassing Syrian villagers in the region. In 1973, the Syrians tried to recapture the occupied lands and failed. And since then, again, Israeli taunting and raids of villages.

Try to rely on anything but inversion of truth or drawing patterns from bronze age and iron age cultures as a mean to justify the unjustifiable.

>>542551032
stfu retarded nigger. you wouldnt last that long like assad under pressure of civil war.

>>542551178
(1) I will use Biblical allusions as much as I want. Just like I'll pull from classical Chinese and Renaissance literature. It follows and is directly related to the conversation and the strategy of the Jews.

Wars have been fought for thousands of years in this region in the exact same places. The weapons change but the routes of invasion and necessity of the terrain doesn't.

(2) I was talking about these wars before they even started. I layed out exactly how they we're going to take place.

Isn't that right? >>542550924

It is all playing out exactly as I said.

>>542551282
I'm going to win.

>>542545911
But it wasn't.

>>542551600
you're such a disgusting kike lover holy shit, what are you even doing on this website, shilling sky daddy kike fairy tales for free? religion is fake, you've been scammed all your life by jewish charlatans who would murder your children if they could. grow up, nigger

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>>542550965
Shia rule means being a traitor to your own and getting your people killed for a foreign sunni cause. Christian or Alawite rule is preferable to these two retarded sects.

>>542551282
I'm going to rule instead of rob and I'm not going to run away when the noose tightens around my neck.

>>542551773
I've spent the time I've been here destroying their power and their hold over all of you.

And if that's what you think. But why are you here? I want to know.

>>542550569
A frogs idea of a nice country is dubitable at best

>>542545516
Is there a worst shithole on the planet than the middle east? Just 24/7 chimpouts

>>542551600
>I will use Biblical allusions as much as I want.
Yes, i know that. That's why your argument is void. You're basing it on a book of tales and your mental model is built around that. Your framework is shaped around drawing patterns with your fairytale book and reshaping your understanding of the world around it.

>It follows and is directly related to the conversation and the strategy of the Jews.
Not by any stretch of the imagination. It has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand but i understand why a Jewish or Evangelical zealot would believe so. The reality is simple: Israel is expansive and seeks to take the neighboring territories and in doing so, seeks to exert maximum attrition in its vicinity and collapse of institutions and republics in the hope that it would make its expansive wet dreams look more justifiable. The Syrian golan is occupied and must be returned and the Syrians agreed to a full normalization, egypt-style at multiple occasions which yielded no results because you're interested in prolonging the crisis, not resolving it.

Most importantly, you've been the hawkish side and you've been taunting and raiding villages, not the other way around.


>The weapons change but the routes of invasion and necessity of the terrain doesn't.
You're arguing that geography dictates the regional conflicts. That's a sound argument. Except here, ideology does and the path of invasions isn't east west but from Israel and outward.

>>542550696
Lmao this has to be a bot, talks just like a snarky llm

>>542545730
It kept being during Islam rule. What made Syria and the rest of the middle East a impoverished shit hole was when Portuguese managed to sail to India, spice islands, China, and got the goods directly into Europe, bypassing the silk road

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>>542547955
Assad's childish mistake was being allies with Iran and Hezbollah, who prioritized the Palestinian cause over the defense of such an important strategical location like Syria. He should've made a deal with mutts and Israel way back when he had the chance, that way the rebels would've never received any weapons and the civil war would've been extinguished in a month tops.

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>>542545516
So a Turkey-Israel proxy war?

>>542552198
My mental model is based on geography, history, the Jews mythology and the need for them to carve out a viable country from that wasteland.

And the Bible has much to do with it given that it is their ideological driver.

And I'm not hawkish. I'm not on the Israeli side. I'm just pointing out the reality of the situation.

>>542545854
Neck yourself kike

>>542552355
This.

>>542551773
And I'm waiting. I want to hear it.

>>542545875
>exploited by foreign powers.
why not type United States of America ?
trump has said it on record thet they will stay, and the oil is theirs.

>>542552594
Okay, so let's put things this way, see if we can reach a common ground:

Israel owns a very tiny stretch of land on the mediterranean shore and is subject to multiple geographical constraints, not just when it comes to strategic depth but also in terms of self-sufficiency. If we take into consideration geography, ideology and the stories of the bible, the natural conclusion is that they're naturally seeking expansion and the formation of a lebensraum.

The frictions we had in our discussion revolve around what i perceive as an inversion of historical realities around who initiates most of the clashes around them, and here specifically, in the Golan height. The initative almost always comes from Israel not the other way around, and that is because they need to acquire more lands for their ambitions.

In doing so, they're also interested in making sure their vicinity is under maximal attrition and no form of stability and consolidation is reached because it would make it that much harder to succeed or even justify any expansive project later on.

>>542552825
Because it's not just the US. The UK are also there and i suspect Israelis also exploit syrian oil through the US proxy. So really, it's this political trifecta that is involved in the extraction and consumption of that oil, as is the case in most affairs of the region.

>>542553049
Nothing any sensible nation wouldn't do. Just because you don't like it or are ideologically opposed to it, it doesn't make it so.

And they were stupid enough to play games with the Israelis even though they had their number. Pointing out these obvious facts doesn't make me an Israeli shill. The fact that all of you get upset about facts and reality means you're destined to lose. You can cry about right and wrong and international law all you want and you can accuse those who won't drink the cool aid of being Israeli shills but these are the facts. Israel is going to keep winning.

>>542545875
So it’s a foreign occupied country with a ZOG lmao. Are the mercenaries riling them even syrians or are they foreign as well? Wouldnt surprise me if they’re jeets or chinks kek

>>542551773
I know you're watching. I want to hear it.

>>542545516
thats in kurd territory, they are just salty because they got scammed in the peace deal.

what about
>SANA reports, citing a source in the Ministry of Interior: Initial investigations with recently detained pilots in Latakia have revealed that they logged over 3,200 hours of flight time since the beginning of the revolution. They carried out airstrikes targeting several areas, including the Eastern Ghouta, the governorates of Aleppo, Deir ez-Zor, and Hama.

are they imprisioning every soldier of assad?

Teach them a lesson in manners my children. It is almost time for the "Big Finish."

Abused by our religious leaders.
Lied to by our teachers.
Ensickened by our doctors.
Robbed by our bankers.

The only solution.

A final solution.

Drag them out by the hair, and have them begging and screaming to almighty God. For once in their lives...

Earnestly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFsBXysU1BM

>>542551773
You tried to get my attention and I want to fucking hear it. And I don't want to hear this shit.

>>542553351
>The fact that all of you get upset about facts and reality
We'd be speaking with the same tone from the start had you laid out your argument through that angle from the start. You didn't and i wasn't arguing against the fact that they're seeking a lebensraum. It seems you're confused about how this discussion went. The substance of your argument changed from:
they're going to keep attempting to enlarge their buffer zone because they're being persistently raided since their inception as a state from syria in the golan heights to, they're doing it because of expansive ambitions. A point no sensible person would deny and the very thing i was "bitching about" as you would say.
I had to first lay out the timeline of the conflict and highlight how this is an inversion of facts for you to reframe your argument.

>Israel is going to keep winning.
Evidently so. So long as it's alliance structure, the pax americana and the current military paradigm of high-tech jet fueled air dominance persists, there is little doubt about that.

>>542545875
That was always the plan and it’s not just Israel. Turkey took a piece of Syria as well. They want to break it up and do the same to Iran so it’s not as powerful as a united nation.

>>542553914
They're taking as much as they can. It's all the same thing. Same excuses, same plans, same reasons for war. They'll keep taking and call it whatever they want. There's no difference.

The surrounding nations are lucky in that they don't have enough population for their Greater Israel dream. They already have problems with military recruitment.

There was peace in the middle east after Trajan

I wondered when this will start.
I live in ottawa canada
onterrible
before assad fell we got so many 'refugees' from syria. they were literally all terrorist sympathizers and sycophants. They all had flags of al nusra and isis. every single fucking one of them. we literally were taking their males back for rest and refit. They are all fervent wahabist / salafis. Its one of the biggest psyops they managed to keep the lid on here, like how the populace didn't realize how extreme these 'refugees' really are is interesting how they managed that. They don't leave here either, they just setup shop and their criminality. canada is such a deeply infested international organized crime shit hole, the onyl difference between here and mexico is the state doesn't even try to go after the criminals so they don't have to openly walk around armed, the federal government of canada has 0 problems getting into bed/making deals with criminals of organized crime groups, corruption is mandated in the federal government of canada at every single level.
the shills around wrong about the musllim either, i dont think of them as a threat because of how stupid they are compared to the jew, but every single muslim wants non muslims dead eventually when they find out you will not and wont be converting to their carpet kissing stone licking pedo worshipping religion. they play this long game of being nice and befriending you until eventually one day they try to convert you or talk about religion, if you won't denounce your beliefs and take theirs, its death. they all need to go. even my grandma wants em all dead or shipped back to their sandbox

>>542554069
???

>>542545875
also dont forget Jolani surrending Syria's entire nuclear reactors and 70 tons of HEU, surrending Syria's state owned entities like ports, laying off random govt employees like sanitation workers so trash is building up in Syrian cities, engaging in random massacres against alawis durzi christian etc, and his "govt" meeting OPENLY with Mossad officials, so yeah......

>>542554346
>canada is such a deeply infested international organized crime shit hole
believe you, bought a shit ton of syntetic drugs from there on the silk road days. professional people i may say,

>>542553914
And not only do they want this land as a buffer zone, they want it to project power, to settle, to form a tax base, etc. etc.

Some of you people are impossible. The usual stuff that's obvious.

>>542554104
>The surrounding nations are lucky in that they don't have enough population for their Greater Israel dream. They already have problems with military recruitment.
I think the future is very hard to assess in when it comes to that specific topic. One thing is certain, half of lebanon and a bigger portion of Syria will be taken in a short to medium term and their fertility rate will be sustained at it's current peak.
Whether they can execute their plans heavily depends on the evolution of the tech tree and it's military applications. AI and automation could possibly negate their numerical disadvantage. Or, a new form of SEAD that ends the current paradigm of superior airforce wins wars, the availability of AI or the emergence of a peer in terms of air dominance (possibly Turkey) could tilt the balance on the other sense.

Besides, there's also the fact that Israel's survival and sustenance came from the western alliance block. Today the tectonic plaques are shifting and we are in a transitional period. If they can maneuver their way out of it by keeping the paradigm as is or by becoming self-sufficient, then it maximizes the odds of a greater israel that much more.

>>542545730
This is the most retarded ahistorical take I’ve ever read

>>542545875
ZOG took out Assad and won, that was the plan

>>542554565
>One thing is certain, half of lebanon and a bigger portion of Syria will be taken in a short to medium term

fuck, that doesnt sound good, isn't there anything lebs and syrians can do to prevent this? plus remember, the israelis have their zombie extremist settlers thatll roam those terrtories too

>>542554646
sadly, ZOG has been going strength to strength for exactly 25 years (and two days)

>>542545875
Wow but jewlani the saviour is in power and it's a small price to pay, losing land constantly for peace.

Israel is goign to collapse and the cuckstain and Jewish seething is going to be glorious.

>>542554541
>Some of you people are impossible. The usual stuff that's obvious.
Read the comment thoroughly before (you)'in me. I was clear, and i'll reiterate myself if need be:
The only point of yours i was objecting throughout that discussion is the erroneous statement about persisting and endless Syrian raids on Israel from the Golan necessitating a reaction. That framing is wrong and an inversion of historical truth. You shifted to a much more reasonable take, that doesn't revolve around a historical revision.

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>>542545875
>Jolani doing absolutely nothing to help the people of the region.
Why are Sunni always the biggest cucks to the. US and Israel alive but see themselves as the most hardcore and radical and devout Muslims.

>>542554758
ZOG is going to collapse in the next 2 years. Attacking Iran was their operation Barbarossa

>>542553460
>Are the mercenaries riling them even syrians

only like ~30% max, most are chinese uighurs, tajiks, iranian baluchi, russian chechens, nigerians, british pakistanis etc

>>542553914
And I'm not going back to read, I have other things on my mind now, but I believe the friction started as to whether Israel was right or wrong to do this and pointing out the necessity of Israel to take this land.

>>542554565
I think Syria and Israel are going to eventually split up Lebanon.

And this region is going to be turned into an economic block. It's members will be Turkey, Syria, Israel, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt. They are already integrating themselves economically despite the performance Turkey is putting on for the Muslims.

>>542554758
>fuck, that doesnt sound good, isn't there anything lebs and syrians can do to prevent this?
Syria is pretty much doing nothing and Lebanon cannot do anything. Their only deterrent was Hezbollah and Hezbollah is impotent without a friendly Syria through which their supplies can be routed. Jolani Syria isn't by any stretch of the imagination friendly to them. The wildcard being Turkey getting involved in Syria but that's unlikely and i don't think they'd win a battle on the Syrian skies against Israel today.

So yeah, nothing that can be done in the current paradigm.

>>542554868
thats what they said about attacking Afghanistan......
....then Iraq
....then Lebanon
....then Libya
....then Syria
....then Sudan
....then Yemen
....then Iran
....then (To be continued)

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>>542550696
You're just rewriting history atp.
He was the right hand of al baghdadi who decided to "quit" when convient. What happened to the whole "he wanted to be in politics and there was no other way except joining ISIS" shill line?
His track record is fucking embarrassing either way

>>542554962
ah shit, so the entire Levant will be a "big West Bank"?

>>542554859
Shias are lucky that Jolani is a cuck who wants a diplomatic approach to every issue. Had he still been in his warlord violent phase, we would've seen action against Hezbollah in Lebanon first which would've been an ugly sight. Plenty of massacres and bloodshed were avoided because of his cuck personality.

>>542554839
All my takes overlap. There is no switching. I stand by everything.

And I'm sure the Palestinians are innocent too. So are the Israelis and Saudis. All sides have it on the highest authority that they are in fact innocent little lambs who dindu nuffin wrong. Everyone just got the wrong impressions of each other for some reason.

>>542552355
>allying with the US and Israel
Only the stupidest dumbest jet black retard gorilla nigger would think this is a good idea.

>>542554950
I agree about the possibility of Syria getting involved with Israel in Lebanon, possibly taking the north. The rebel factions already entertained that idea as soon as they took over Damascus.
The stable economic block theory, i seriously doubt as it does not align with the incentives of neither Israel nor Turkey.

I also think Saudi Arabia and Egypt are heading toward a very hard economic downturn in the medium term.

>>542547175
He still has his chechen and uzbek foreign fighters

>>542555162
The alternative was even more retarded. You have to pick your battles and take things pragmatically when you have this much responsibility.

>>542555051
>ah shit, so the entire Levant will be a "big West Bank"?
Unless a wildcard event comes and alters the situation on the ground, pretty much.

>>542545516
Israel wants them to go to war with Turkey of course. Installing a Salafi glownigger as head of state was only the first step.

>>542555299
>wants them to go to war with Turkey of course

????? you do realise turkey helped them massively during the war? theres no way these apes in damascus will attack turkey (unless erdogan loses the next turkish elections and the rise of CHP alevi/alawi turks)?

>>542555174
It perfectly aligns with Turkeys and Israelis incentives. They need each other. Turkey is the odd man out in the West and they need the partners and Israel needs the normalization and trade.

They are already integrating their economies, creating land routes for trade, and the Iran war is forcing them to talk about building more energy pipelines through the region. Syrian ports are now open to the West, the Arabs and Syrians have energy, Egypt has easy access to Africa, Turkey and Israel will fight and have money. Arabs have money. Because they're coming off a civil war, Syria will make for an excellent industrial base.

They're already playing with the idea.

>>542555089
Fair then, since it's pointless to argue our shared beliefs, let me revive the main contentious point which you overlooked so far. Your initial take that the Israeli expansion into Syria is the result of persistent and relentless Syrian raids into Israel (the opposite being true).

I already highlighted how the historical timeline paints the opposite picture with Israelis persisting in their raids and provocations even after capturing the Golan between 1967-1973. How after the 1973 war, the situation was pretty much the same again, Israeli raids and provocations in hope of triggering a casus belli. And i mentioned multiple peace initiatives including the 2000 peace deal where a full normalization (jordan and egypt style) was proposed.

So my question is as follows: how can you paint the opposing picture and invert what happened all while claiming that your takes overlap. Do you have anything substantiating your belief beyond the claim that news would often talk about attacks from the Golan when you were kid?

Again, let's try not to divert to different points, especially given that we seem to be aligned in our lecture of the situation.

>>542555162
Whoever holds Syria holds the Middle East.

>>542545730
They were doing fine under the Ottoman Empire and under the British, it was only once Israel was founded that the problems started in the region.

>>542555299
The Burden of Damascus.

>>542552031
I like when people are comfy in their countries so they don't come in mine. We can't have that without TKD

>>542555502
>They are already integrating their economies
Their economies were much more integrated before 2023 than they are now. The opposite of what you claim is happening with bans and export restrictions on multiple goods. Bilateral trade between Turkey and Israel totaled approximately $6.23 billion in 2020 and fell to around $935 million in official bilateral numbers for 2025.

A more accurate framing would be to say that Israel and Kemalist Turkey were always economically integrated since the creation of Israel but they are undergoing a progressive economic divorce.

What's happening today is a clash of incentives where Turkey seeks to expand it's sphere of influence through Syria and is being growingly opinionated on ideological matters relating to Israel whereas Israel sees it as a necessity to expand further in Syrian territory and more importantly, to keep the country neutered and mitigate any risk that it consolidates economically and militarily enough to ever represent a potential risk.

On this matter, i am very bullish about my takes so let's leave it to time. It'll soon demonstrate who's right in their projection about Turkish Israeli dynamics.

>>542555389
what if AKP loses and CHP comes to power like my statement >>542555823

what would the dynamics be like then morocanon

>>542545730
Syria has never had a single, unified independent government. I attended a lecture on Middle Eastern history given by a Turkish anti-government journalist who had naturalized as a South Korean citizen; he explained that Syria fell into its current state of ruin after Ottoman rule ended. Ironically, the region descended into its present state of chaos because of the UK and France, which colonized the Middle East following the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.

>>542555560
That comment was a side comment. I'm not looking but I believe I said something along the lines that I used to hear news stories of Israel being rocketed from Golan and If I checked I would find stories.

That is strategic ground that Israel wants.

>So my question is as follows: how can you paint the opposing picture and invert what happened all while claiming that your takes overlap. Do you have anything substantiating your belief beyond the claim that news would often talk about attacks from the Golan when you were kid?
They're taking the land they need. Everyone just gives them the excuse to do it. Their mouths are always bigger than their stomachs.

>>542555974
>Syria has never had a single, unified independent government

From the coming of the Ba'ath Party in 1963 and until their overthrow in 2024 was the only sustained period of stability and growth in Syria's post-46 history, now Syria is a new Libya, a CIA imposed warlord shitfest koreanon

>>542555823
Turkey is still funneling Israel energy and that's what matters. Their diplomatic and propagandistic maneuvering in order to take Irans place as the protector of Islam means nothing. Let Turkey cut off their oil if they're serious. That has historically been the cry of war and actual opposition.

>>542556054
Okay then we agree in everything if that was an irrelevant side comment you can concede. If you scroll back up, you'll understand why i mistook it for the core of your perspective on things, at least initially. From there came my suspicion that you were ideologically biased and so on.

>That is strategic ground that Israel wants
Evidently so.

>>542556192
I concede nothing. That has been one of their excuses for taking it and I'm sure they gave them a reason to do it.

>>542556173
>Turkey is still funneling Israel energy and that's what matters.
Yes and no. They're very clearly orchestrating a wide scale divorce with Israel and their bilateral trade collapsed by x7 in the last years. If anything, their acceptance to allow oil to transit is only the result of western pressures and out of fear of facing themselves crushing sanctions from the USA or the EU.

>Their diplomatic and propagandistic maneuvering in order to take Irans place as the protector of Islam means nothing.
Nothing to do with Islam, ideology or rethoric. They're taking active measures that affect their pockets and that you're willfully ignoring because they don't sit well with your mental model. Economic decoupling isn't rethorical or a matter of dialectics.

>Let Turkey cut off their oil if they're serious
No, let them bomb Tel Aviv if they're serious. That point is senseless. They're not acting in a vacuum. They're maneuvering in a context where they themselves can suffer retaliatory sanctions from the west. Besides, they're not getting a fraction of the economic benefits from the transiting Azeri oil as the were from their 5 to 6 billion dollars of trade they used to have with Israel. That was revenue for Turkish industries that is gone.

By the way, even if Erdogan and the AKP were to go and be replaced by Imamoglu, i don't think the paradigm would change.

>>542556380
>That has been one of their excuses for taking it
Not what you said. A historical revision being leveraged as an excuse to justify something is not an event that actually happened triggering a reaction.

>and I'm sure they gave them a reason to do it.
And i'm sure you'll highlight the when, why and how and mirror how i evidence my refutation of your fabrications with historical events.

>>542545516

maybe israel shouldn't have started threatening Turkey and Egypt and drove the middle east to form alliance pacts and activate resistance cells in Syria

>>542556901
>maybe israel shouldn't have started threatening Turkey and Egypt and drove the middle east to form alliance pacts and activate resistance cells in Syria
Not what is happening. All the actors you mentioned are threading lightly and fear the heat that would come from serious adverse measures, not necessarily from Israel alone but from western economic pressure. Sissi's Egypt is pretty much passive and won't do anything beyond issuing statements. Syria is letting Israel raid it's northwestern border without retaliation. Actually, the formation resistance cells in Syria is what Israel wishes to accomplish to justify further expansion. Turkey is just trying to modestly rebuild the Syrian army and even that is met by Israeli shelling of any weapon transit through the Turkish border.

The only actor here that worries Israel is Turkey. It was already stated in 2015 by Yossi Cohen, the ex mossad chief who highlighted how Turkey risks to become a much more serious foe than Iran and multiple other such statements were issued by several Israel statesmen since then. Beyond the economic decoupling, what worries Israel is the buildup of a Turkish industrial complex, their 5th gen jet fighter, drone and ballistic missile programs which are ongoing incubation and R&D.

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>>542556530
Obvious side comment. We were talking about Israel being historically attacked from the north and that was a throw away comment about rocket attacks from Golan in order to prove that they are often attacked from the north.

Have the Jews not been attacked by way of Golan Heights before?

>>542556419
Just watch and learn. lol

Turkey is trying roll in the Islamic fundamentalists and Israel is trying to roll in the secularists. They're building leverage.

And no, mindlessly bombing Israel is what got everyone into trouble in the first place. The Israelis have proven that they can and will fight. Let Turkey cut off their energy first. But they won't because this is just political maneuvering.

>>542557291
>fear the heat that would come from serious adverse measures

sure mossad bot lolololol you gonna send demarcus and carlos in from the USS Poopclogger??

>>542545516
Redpill us what factions exist and what are their goals? What happens, who wins and what effect will that have on the world? Especially on Hungary?

>>542556419
It going to be nothing but big talk from both of them. Turkey will delusional rant about being the Sultan and leader of Islam and Israel will delusionally rant about being the masters of the universe but it will all amount to nothing.

Trump is the arbiter of power in Syria and they do what he allows them to do. They'll both try to take as much as they can but Syria will build itself back up and it won't devolve into sectarian conflict.

>>542557339
Thanks for the screencap. Your first such comment was the following:
>>542548027
>They have historically been attacked from the north.
Before you mentioned iron age and bronze age civilization, my natural train of thought was to assume that you're hinting at historical events that relate to the actual Israeli state from Syria, not the iron age Judea and Israel that cannot be described in relation or continuity beyond religious affiliation.

Your second comment was as follows and reasserted me in my belief:
>>542548846
>Did the Arab powers not try to get the jump on them multiple times? Was Golan Heights not used to take pot shots at them for years?
Clearly, that didn't relate to bronze age or iron age folks, right?

Only then comes the post you screencapped:
>>542550503
Beyond the allusion to Assyria and... Greece? There was also this
>Golan can be used to project power on Israel so it's in their interest to take it.
But they already conquered the Golan heights. They hold the highgrounds. They're the ones who can project power from there. They're still trying to expand further nonetheless.

And this:
>When I was a kid the news would often talk about attacks from Golan. I'm sure if I looked I would find evidence of Muslims setting up shop and launching rockets into Israel.
Precisely the matter at hand. Side comment or not, we've been running circles around that point and i've been reiterating the historical timeline and all i get from you are deflections. Since you've already reasserted it multiple times, would you care to tackle the topic instead of deflecting or mentioning yet another time that it is "a side comment"? Side comment or not, you already made it clear that you stand by it. I'm just asking for substantiation.

>>542557339

Let me make things simple:
The strategic heights of the Golan have been under Israeli hands since 1967. And since 1973, the Syrian state was pretty much neutered. They also got multiple normalization initiatives. Hell even the current Syrian authority is pretty much submissive. They're still expansive and taunting. Clearly, it has nothing to do with holding the high-ground.
And no, i reiterate it, it was not the Syrian side that kept taunting from the Golan but the Israelis. A surprise attack in 1967 and the capture of the heights (they could've stopped there but they didn't). 1967 to 1973 was the period of multiple skirmishes, raids and baits to justify another war. Not from the Syrians or as a reaction to Syrian provocations as you frame it but from Israel which inevitably led to a Syrian attempt to retake the captured territories in 1973 after ensuing multiple raids. Since then, they've been effectively neutered. Any military asset on the Syrian side that came even close would be pulverised, let alone a buildup. Didn't change the dynamic.

>>542552509
Jordan is squarely with Israel's sphere

>>542558114
It relates to all. Like I would relate conflict in Europe to other historical conflicts in Europe because that's what people who are aware of military affairs do. That's how things are. They're fighting over the same spaces for the same reasons.

Not bothering reading the rest of that.

>>542557339
>Turkey is trying roll in the Islamic fundamentalists and Israel is trying to roll in the secularists.
Turkey rolling the islamic fundamentalists i assume refers to Jolani. What secularists are you referring to for the Israeli side? I don't see what you're hinting at here.

>And no, mindlessly bombing Israel is what got everyone into trouble in the first place.
That was reasoning ad absurdum to negate your argument. It's clearly rethorical. You said:
> "let turkey cut off their oil if they're serious"
As if cutting off oil transit from azerbaijan hurts their pocket more than the 6 to 7 billion of annual trade (nearly all of it) they had with Israel that was revenue to Turkish industries. As i said, they don't operate in a vacuum and there are limits they can't cross, oil transit being one of them unless they want to see their economy collapse under the weight of western sanctions.

>Let Turkey cut off their energy first. But they won't because this is just political maneuvering.
I'll repeat myself ten times if need be: Turkey's trade with Israel amounted to some 7 billion USD and it's today at around 900 million mainly fueled by the transiting oil. Clearly, they were willing to hurt their pocket far more than a mere ban on oil transit. Clearly, they're not going further than that to avoid triggering western sanctions. They can't go further because they won't expose their economy to crippling western sanctions. That does not mean there's no adversity and your argument is the equivalent of "let them bomb tel aviv if they're serious about it".

Do i need to over-explain everything for you to get a grip?

>>542558464
Irrelevant statement. I didn't dismiss the fact that geography or very old events aren't relevant to the situation. I refuted a very specific statement of yours unlike all others and all you're doing is deflecting either by hinting at something totally unrelated or by stating that it is a side-comment (that you, however, wouldn't retract because it's true, but wouldn't demonstrate, because.... uh...)

>>542558114
What happened happened. Fuck your right and wrong. You're just feeding people delusions.

Your moral preening doesn't matter. They used all these things for justifications and they weren't able to defend their territory.

They wanted that land. That's strategically important land. They used every excuse they could to manufacture consent and their enemies helped them do it.

This is why they lose and will continue to lose.

>>542558745
You're still trying to frame the discussion as that of a moralist vs a rationalist. It is not. I understand why you feel the urge to, but that is simply not the case. I rejected a historical fallacy and fabrication of yours that you keep framing as a side comment on one hand, but that you also refuse to deny on the other. I laid out the evidence of why you're lying, but even those historical events, you do not tackle head on but keep deflecting.

>They wanted that land. That's strategically important land. They used every excuse they could to manufacture consent and their enemies helped them do it.
Yes, and we agree on that. I've already stated multiple times that we agree on that. I didn't even mention that. You keep repeating that. What am i supposed to infer from your behavior other than the fact that you're persistently deflecting and shifting the narrative?

>>542558629
Was Israel attacked from Golan Heights?

>>542558506
Christians, Druze, etc. All the religious minorities who prefer secular governments since they don't have the numbers for their own domination. And don't forget the Arabs who have been undergoing secularization.

And cutting off Israelis energy would hurt them. 40% of their oil go through Turkish terminals.

You're clearly shilling for Turkey.

>>542545516
They should block the roads the oil tankers travel to ship it abroad.

>>542558948
I'm laying down historical fact. Israel has been historically attacked from the north. I used historical invasions to prove this. You object. Then I simply comment about attacks from Golan Heights and how this zone is geographically important. Then you become more forceful with your objections for some strange reason. And you won't stop white knighting for Turkey.

LMFAO!

>>542545854
the expected thing happened. middle eastern countries cant have peace.

its going to happen to europe too

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>late night revolution in Syria
Ahhh that takes me back.
Snus, Ebin, Doc, belgian lawgoy, padre, where are you guys...? I even miss maghrebois...

>>542559144
>You're clearly shilling for Turkey.
Yes, i'm shilling for turkey while despising Jolani who's rise was through them since the start of the thread. I'm simultaneously a Basharist Baathist and a simp for Erdogan.

> And cutting off Israelis energy would hurt them. 40% of their oil go through Turkish terminals.
Right, and the blowback would hurt Turkey even more when the US and EU sanction them into economic depression. Turkey hurt its industries by discontinuing nearly all bilateral trade relations with Israel in more significant ways than any benefit they get from oil transit. They just decided to increase their military budget by 213% almost exclusively because of the perceived threat of a nearing conflict with Israel. But their avoidance of the miscalculation of an oil blockade that would expose them to western sanctions and antagonism is what you see as a sign of their thriving relations, at the expense of everything else.

>Christians, Druze, etc. All the religious minorities who prefer secular governments since they don't have the numbers for their own domination.
Israel supports druze. There is nothing that hints at them being supportive of syrian christians.

>And don't forget the Arabs who have been undergoing secularization.
Arab secularization was a process undergone and spearheaded by the republics: Nasser in Egypt and the two Baath parties of Syria and Iraq. From where i stand, Israel took active measures to topple Bachar and bring about Jolani just like Turkey did. If they preferred the former to the latter, he would still be in power.

>>542545730
Yes fuckin retards jew is not the only answer, they have these insane mudslimes there that are probably trying to kill Christians again, people who want the current government overthrown deserve death.

>>542551773
Meme kvetching discarded

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>>542545516
Who could've seen this coming

>>542552059
Because Arabs are too easy to emotionally influence. They are tribal but also petty and vain.

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>>542545730
hello saar

>>542545516

Looks staged to me, probably to avoid to send back them "for ever refugees". Interesting that all shit refugees never have to turn back no matter how long the war is over. Globohomo shit politics.

>>542559366
>I'm laying down historical fact. Israel has been historically attacked from the north. I used historical invasions to prove this. You object.
No. I don't object any of that. Neither the iron age events nor the 1948 israeli arab war.
I object this:

>>When I was a kid the news would often talk about attacks from Golan. I'm sure if I looked I would find evidence of Muslims setting up shop and launching rockets into Israel.
And mostly this:
>Did the Arab powers not try to get the jump on them multiple times? Was Golan Heights not used to take pot shots at them for years?
Since 1948 and until 1967 it was the other way around. Israel was attacking Syria in the Golan and Syria was either reactive or outright passive and in 1967, they conquered the fucking Golan.
Did that stop the attacks? No. 1967 to 1973 was a period of continuous israeli raids and incursions.


>>542559144
>Was Israel attacked from Golan Heights?
Aside from the 1947 UN resolution war? Never. It happened once. And that one time was reactive after years on end of Israeli raids.
Does Israel not control the Golan since 1967? Did they stop expanding and attacking there after taking the highground?

>>542559779
You can hold a position that seems contrary to your actual objective. Come on now, you've been playing stupid strategically throughout this entire thread.

And Jolani was sponsored by Turkey and Trump dropped the Kurds in order to let him roll over them. You're spouting nonsense.

You are very moral with everything but Turkey.

And I don't care about the rest. Israel has always been friendly with many of the Christians in the region. They used to use them as militias.

You're running game.

>>542555299
Turkey is a puppet. The most obvious theater in the middle east.

>>542545911
The countryside was nice but the dissident squishers weren't quite as good.

>>542560159
>You are very moral with everything but Turkey.
I am both rational and moral (or trying to be) on all matters, including Turkey.

>You can hold a position that seems contrary to your actual objective.
I can, you can, i'm not.

>Come on now, you've been playing stupid strategically throughout this entire thread.
I've been nothing but straightforward and honest with you. I don't play games, i don't deflect, i don't refute things i said or describe them as side-comments all while reasserting them.


By the way, if you're confused about my ideological stance you can ask it. I know you're just being slimey for the sake of it, but still. Oh and by the way, there are multiple things about Israel and their society that i truly admire and respect. You can understand why a moralfag (which you despise) would still be disgusted by their destructive political stance. I'm not muslim, i don't believe in Allah or Muhammad. I want the MENA region to secularize. That doesn't mean that i don't view the way Israel behaves there as the equivalent of a gangrenous cancer.

I'm not a simp for Erdogan but i wish we could learn a thing or two for Turkey in the country that is mine and very little of it has to do with Erdogan, most of it came from Kemalists.
On their impact in the near east, Turkey is also playing dumb games in my opinion but to a much lower extent than Israel. I'd be much more favorable to them had they not been supportive ISIS and Jolani and had Erdogan been a much less sectarian leader but they're doing what's good for them and playing a balancing act without committing to any side.

>>542545516
You've already had a civil war

>>542560633
That's what I thought.

No comment about Julani being backed by Turkey and Trump dropping the Kurds so he can roll over them and unify the country?

>>542560159
In the same order of thought as: >>542560633

I'd say that i see Turkey as the least shitty model for a MENA country. It ends there. Am i favorable to Turkey relative to Israel? You bet i am. I'm also more favorable to Iran, Oman, Sweden, Bhutan, or Sweden. You'll have a hard time finding a party i don't favor relative to Israel other than some arab and african countries.

>>542560884
>No comment about Julani being backed by Turkey
There's a comment about that in the very post you tagged retard

>>542560884
>and Trump dropping the Kurds so he can roll over them and unify the country?
You can infer what i think of Trump from our discussion if you're not clinically retarded

>>542560902
>>542560936
>>542561029
LMFAO! Caught you, nigger.

>>542545875
thanks for the info

>>542561099
Caught what? That i dislike Israel? I already made that clear in the opener, much like how i know you're either Jewish or an mindless Evangelist but don't bother to harrass you with that.

If you don't want to be butthurt by another's opinion don't ask for it. You've been doubling down on being disingenuous and slimey throughout that discussion all while doing your best to frame yourself as a rationalist independent thinker or whatever.

Tldr: stop seeing your own reflection in me please

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Having islamic terrorists in power is not a good thing.
Not that having any kind of muslim government is a good thing.
Wish muslims could become more secular and peaceful.
But I guess IQ is genetic and this all boils to them being retarded, bloodthirsty, crypto-jews.
So religion only acts as an enabler, it's not the cause.
Tough luck

>>542561522
europeans executed people far worse than this

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TICK TOCK JOULANI YOU FILTHY FUCKING NUSRAT!!!!!

>>542561297
I knew this would be a waste of my time when I saw this comment >>542547175 but it turned out funny.

Everyone knows that Jolani was backed by Turkey and gained power through a deal with Trump and Israel. Trump has openly admitted it. Seeing how well informed you are throughout the thread you should know this.

And there is nothing slimy about me. You were the one trying to use historically correct comments to minimize a strategically important geographic area.

>>542561297
shlonak
saddam al shiraa

>>542545516
Thanks for the context nigger

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>>542559476
cool

>>542545516
what the fuck is it this time?

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>>542561576
I know, Samir. But not in 2024/5
Hope you grasp the subtle difference

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>>542545516

So are they overthrowing the Al Qaeda guy the Mossad put in charge?

>>542561582
Yes, i know all that. Is there any contradiction in my beliefs or my thought process? Because i don't see any. If you want me the rank them from biggest evil to lesser evil i'd put it this way: Netanyahu at the bottom, followed by Jolani, followed by Trump and only then comes Erdogan.

>>542561582
>You were the one trying to use historically correct comments to minimize a strategically important geographic area.
Never once did i resort to leveraging history to minimize the strategic importance of the region.
And yes, you ARE being slimey. You're the very embodiment of what slimey means. Between deflection tactics, semantic shifts and an obsessive tendency to put words on people's mouth and twist what they say. You're right that i'm informed enough on what happens in the region. I'm also not your nephew, so quit trying to gaslight me please.

>>542563444
Nigger, this isn't a course on logic. These are off the cuff comments. I didn't even bother to catch you on your bullshit because I don't care.

And you tried to reduce the strategic importance of Golan multiple times and you constantly moralized about it and you still haven't said anything about Turkey supporting Jolani. Not only that but you did nothing but try to minimize me when I brought up the strategic importance of the heights.

And you are informed and that's why your Turkey shilling and the fact that you have nothing to say with regard to Turkey's backing of Jolani says, even though you're moral and opinionated about everything else, speaks volumes.

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It really is bizarre just how easy it is for Israel to divide and conquer. Arabs are so dishonest and quarrelsome they just keep falling for it over and over.

The more chaotic and disordered the middle east is the safer the Israelis feel.

>>542564316
I agree. You can understand that roach by what he doesn't say rather than what he does.

>>542564379
That's right unfortunately.

How are you?

Those slimes have nothing, yet still do shit while we have everything and won't do shit regardless of headline or happening.

Goys will be goys.

>>542564799
That's interesting.

that just looks like a protest
civil war is a bit crazier anon

>>542545875
it can't be that bad...

>>542564799
Are you Jewish?

>>542564316
Look dude, this may not be a course on logic, but you're an olympian at mental gymnastics. You're a rethorician who's go-to levers are
1/ deflect
2/ reframe and invert the accusation

I already told you, i'm not your dumb nephew so quit trying to gaslight me as if i were. The post is littered with occurences of me having to remind you and quote words you said after you deny them.

>And you tried to reduce the strategic importance of Golan multiple times and you constantly moralized about it
Lol no i didn't. Go on buddy, show me precisely where i did. I have time to waste and i want to see you keep devolving your pilpul until it turns into utter vulgar shitposting and chimpouts

>and you still haven't said anything about Turkey supporting Jolani.
I did, explicitly, twice, in the two following comments:
I did here:
>>542560633
>Turkey is also playing dumb games in my opinion but to a much lower extent than Israel. I'd be much more favorable to them had they not been supportive ISIS and Jolani
Funnily enough, you read that, ignored it, and (you)'d me with the same accusation. Who are you even trying to gaslight?

And here:
>>542559779

>Not only that but you did nothing but try to minimize me when I brought up the strategic importance of the heights.
Nope. You know what i said. I know what i said. You're just trying to confuse me. It's okay, i'll remind you of what i said. I said the heights were already in Israeli possession since 1967 and they've still been trying to further expand in northwestern Syria, i said that they hold the highground yet they're still expansive, and raiding syrian villages.

I said it here:
>>542551178
and here:
>>542558114
>But they already conquered the Golan heights. They hold the highgrounds. They're the ones who can project power from there. They're still trying to expand further nonetheless.
And here:
>>542558134

Go on, throw something else and hope it sticks, you sneaky little rodent

>>542564316
>And you are informed and that's why your Turkey shilling and the fact that you have nothing to say with regard to Turkey's backing of Jolani says, even though you're moral and opinionated about everything else, speaks volumes.
Oh yeaah, yes, the critique of Turkey's ties with Jolani i didn't make (but actually repeated thrice already) or the disgust i expressed toward that man).

You're being defensive. I fixated on a lie of yours that didn't sit well with me and you didn't like that. You're grasping at straws trying to either gaslight me, put words in my mouth or reframe things i said. You probably don't even know what the fuck you're doing but it's fine. Keep going, you're only burying yourself in your own contradictions.

>>542565023
You're going to make me waste my fucking time to deal with a retarded bitch like yourself.

>>542545516
Didn't we end up supporting the head of ISIS or something insane to be the new leader??
Just because "Russia supports the older leader, so he needs to be removed!" This is the same shit that created modern Iran in the first place.

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>>542565178
Right at the beginning, you lying bitch. As soon as it was mentioned you became hostile and it all went downhill from there.

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>>542565023
>>542565178
Fucking monkey

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>>542565178
And you tried to hang everything on this comment in order to undermine anything I said. You were obsessed with this the entire thread.

You're a fucking turkroach.

>>542565322
You're morally bankrupt. Not just that, but you frame yourself as a rationalist objective observer and you're more ideologically assertive than i will ever be. You're a sophist who's only mean to get the upper hand in a fact based conversation is to put words on someone's mouth, confuse them, deflect and throw a thousand of personal accusations to overload the other and stray the discussion away from rationale as soon as your rethoric starts losing ground.

I already told you, i'm not your retarded nephew so quit trying to gaslight me.

>>542565538
Yes, and i see no lie there. That was the start of the discussion and the point where you claimed Israel dindu nuffin and was only reactive to Syrian attacks when it's the other way around. Point at the fallacy please.

>>542565594
That's a screenshot, and a very well articulated and detailed depiction of the historical timeline. Again, where's the lie? I've been doing nothing but grounding this discussion in facts and deconstructing every single one of your sophistic rethoric.

>>542565888
No, you got fucking caught.

These posts prove that you accused me of being Jewish first and you brushed off the historic facts with ad hominems, and then a more modern fact eas introduced and you simply lied and waxed morally about them. lol

Did you even bother to deny being a Turk?

>>542565748
No buddy. First, it wasn't this comment i was referring to. I have a good memory. You already posted that screenshot earlier. I answered you by pointing at the two earlier occurrences of your lies. I didn't "hang everything on this comment in order to undermine anything" you said. We had reached a common ground on the lebensraum vision of Israel when i highlighted what i thought at the time was a misunderstanding (i didn't know you were disingenuous yet).

You kept repeating it was an irrelevant side-comment while simultaneously refusing to deny your lies. So yeah, i pressed there and asked you to provide evidence for your words and i'm still waiting for it. By the way, the historical timeline i outlined here >>542565594 was my answer

>>542566040
>These posts prove that you accused me of being Jewish first and you brushed off the historic facts with ad hominems
No dude. You accused me of being Syrian first. I denied and then told you what i suspected you to be. Keep going, you'll only keep drowning in your lies even further.

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>>542566070
It was a brush off comment. That doesn't make it untrue even though you're trying to hang everything on it. You're still trying to hang everything on it.

These people are fucking animals in the Middle East. They are constantly intriguing with and attacking each other.

And my mistake. They used artillery and mortars to strike Israel when they controlled Golan. Israel had absolutely no reason to stop these things.

You wanted to play games with this and it caught up with you.

>>542566126
I asked if you were Syrian. Syrian doesn't have negative connotations like Jew does and you fucking know it.

You're just trying to weasel your way out of this.

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'Hope' gentlemen.
One should never cling to 'hope'. It can be manipulated and exploited by those who promise you whatever you desire but wish you ill.
So never have hope because it is an excuse for inaction. 'Hope' will not save you, but action at least might give you a chance at 'hope'.

>>542548955
Lmao you're either a sunnitard or a foxnews boomer
Yeah bro Iran left the 8 million iranian sunnies within its borders alone and went to syria specifically to massacre sunnies. The same Iran who has wistood sanctions for the past 40 years for the sole reason of standing with the (sunni) palestenians.
And of course Assad who is married to a sunni and leading a country with an 80% sunni parlament and 80% sunni army just loves killing sunnies for no reason. Those poor international jihadies just wanted to spread diversity in Syria! One of their slogans actually sounded like "diversity is our strength" to reflect the fact of just how many nationalities were fighting in the (((syrian revolution)))
And lmao for you claiming Iran uses foreigners to suppress its population. After all iranians are white and aryan, there's no way a white aryan pure blooded persian can ever do something brown like beating protesters, right?

>>542566126
hey guy
you make great threads and have excellent insight
thanks for contributing to the board
i am listening

Can’t wait for the next wave of refugees. Thanks Israel!

>syrian civil war
it it just me or has that fucking place been in civil war for like 20 years, fucking raghead retards

>>542566373
jew :)
i c u

>>542555974
arabs act like sykes picot is the sole reason for all strife between the affected countries but they would not have been able to do a better job in self determination and they'd have killed far more of each other while trying

>>542566962
Sorry but I'm not Jewish. I'm just pointing out the facts not propaganda like I always do.

>>542565888
wheres the quote about slippery jewish solipsism when you knead it?

>>542567068
even worse, youre pete hegseth's minion

>>542566915
Israel is the one keeping the war going dumbass. It’s the Jews that are the problem.

>>542567073
You're not funny and you see what he tried to do.

>>542566373
>It was a brush off comment.
Yes i know, you said it a billion times already.

>That doesn't make it untrue even though you're trying to hang everything on it.
That doesn't make it true either and brush off or not, i'm justified in replying to it, and i did, with a thorough historical timeline of events which you ignored. Your brush-off comment as you call it was repeated on three different occasions btw. And since that was the main point of contention, i was right i asking you to provide evidence of your words. The more you deflect all while reasserting your lies, the more i'll pin you. It's natural, organic, normal. There's nothing weird about that.

>These people are fucking animals in the Middle East. They are constantly intriguing with and attacking each other.
Finally, i'm starting to have the real beliefs of the so-called unopinionated third party objective observer.

>You wanted to play games with this and it caught up with you.
You just asked gemini to help you and posted a screencap of it referencing a BBC article and hinting at an event you couldn't even pinpoint historically in your first attempt at providing evidence of your lies.

But thanks for finally indulging. The timeframe you're hinting at is between the 50s and 60s and NO that wasn't the evil syrians attacking the good Israelis. They were reactive to Israeli raids, not the other way around.

Israel launched military operations, cross-border raids, and air strikes against Syria throughout the 1950s and 1960s.

Here's my evidence:

>>542566373
April 1951 - All Hamma Incident: Israel attempts to take the Hamma enclave and sends soldiers who were killed by the Syrians. The day later, they leverage that retaliation to justify an airstrike on Syrian military positions and break the ceasefire (that was their intent from the start).

1960 - Operation Hergol: Israel launches a ground assault on the Tawafiq village

1962 - The Nuqeib Raid - Israeli forces launch a ground assault against syrian fortifications near the sea of galilee

Here, i'll let Moshe Dayan himself testify with his own words:
>"We would send a tractor to plow some area... and we knew in advance that the Syrians would start to shoot. If they didn't shoot, we would tell the tractor to advance further, until in the end the Syrians would get annoyed and shoot. And then we would use artillery and later the air force."

From Moshe Sharet:
>"Toward this end it may, no — it must — invent dangers, and to do this it must adopt the method of provocation-and-revenge... It is a calculation based on a predetermined provocation, intended to lead to a clash that will end in our gaining territorial or political advantages."

From Rami Tal, the journalist who interviewed general Moshe Dayan:
>"Dayan also said that Israel usually provoked the Syrians into shelling to create the myth that Israel was in a state of constant danger ...and that the kibbutz residents who pressed the Government to take the Golan Heights did so less for security than for the farmland."

I know the history of the region with a lot of detail. Yes, i searched for the quotes, but the events i mention, i know. The things i say out of conviction are not lies. The way they used to behave is reflected by how they behave today.

>>542567157
i think youre cute <3

>>542545875
>>542552825
>>542553460
China is taking the oil, that was one of the deals like in Iraq. Chinese oil gets protected or expanded, meanwhile Russian oil value goes up.
All part of CISSYTO plans

>>542566441
>I asked if you were Syrian. Syrian doesn't have negative connotations like Jew does and you fucking know it
It does not matter and i didn't ask you to start dropping merchant memes and shitposting. I asked you whether you were Jewish or Evangelist precisely because of the inversion of truth in the side-comment you see as irrelevant because this sort of revisionist reframing is typical of overzealous proud zionists. I've debate many so this raised my suspicion but i didn't ask you because i didn't want to sound insulting until you asked me whether i was Syrian when i was speaking facts.

In other terms, you sought to know whether i was biased through my identity and i did the same.

>>542567294
There you go again. They went to war, intrigued with each other, took pot shots at each other, and Israel wound up taking it.

You have your evidence. You can look up the BBC article. That statement was to further show that Israel has been historically attacked from the north and nothing else. That's why they want that land.

And they're all animals including the Israelis.

And I'm not denying that the Israelis attacked them. I've stated multiple times that they attacked each other and the Israelis finally took it when they had the chance.

Your bullshit doesn't matter.

>>542567755
Please, refer to this, i already answered you with evidence: >>542567357


Read this and give me your honest reply, if you're an honest man.

>>542567360
I thought that was you. lol

>>542567755
From Rami Tal, the journalist who interviewed general Moshe Dayan:
>"Dayan also said that Israel usually provoked the Syrians into shelling to create the myth that Israel was in a state of constant danger ...and that the kibbutz residents who pressed the Government to take the Golan Heights did so less for security than for the farmland."
In case you're too lazy to read the subsequent post

>>542567755
Another one for you, this is from Yitzhak Rabin, the prime minister they killed for brokering peace with Egypt:
>“This was the policy for years, and former northern military commanders, later including Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, consistently used such tactics. The idea after the 1948 war of independence was to change the cease-fire lines through military actions that were not quite at the level of war. The idea was to seize an area and hold onto it until the enemy despairs and gives it to us.”