This might sound like a dumb question, but I've heard a bunch of different explanations. Some people claim the whole situation was influenced or engineered by the CIA/US, while others say Russia invaded mainly to prevent Ukraine from eventually joining NATO.What were the actual reasons behind the invasion? I'm looking for a serious explanation rather than just pro-Russian or pro-Ukrainian circlejerking.
>>542770938>USA /EU stages coup in Ukraine>new Ukraine government is anti Russian>eastern part of ukraine never voted for this and sees the society as broken and wants its own land>Ukraine starts an Anti Terror Operation killing many civilians>Russians send special forces in to start a separatist uprising>ukrainians keep escalating and committing more terrorism until Russia decides to fully step in
>>542770938Small dog and Big dog share bone and play , small dog wants to play with other dogs and take the bone with him but big dog wants the bone to stay with him
>>542770938Putin as a devout Orthodox Christian couldn't tolerate a jew defiling slav lands.
>>542771115Forgot the part where EU and US under Obama stepped in directly and had political leadership taking generous bribes and money from Ukraine. Ofc we're now using their meat to weaken Russia, quite successfully I'd say.
Russians thought Ukraine would not fightTo be fair, everybody thought this before 2022Ukraine operation would be just repeat of Crimea operation. It would be over in a few hours without bloodshed.
There is a completely memoryholed documentary by Oliver Stone called "Ukraine on Fire" from 2015.Watch it before asking tired old engagement bait questions.This whole thing has a long pre-history and the victim-victimizer distinctions isn't as clear as it may seem on first sight.
to force them back on the vatnik plantation
Jews
>>542770938The actual reason: because of the millions of ethnic Russians with family and friends on the other side of the border in Ukraine, Putin and his clique had no choice but to attack. Ukrainians’ success and prosperity as nation was a direct threat to the Russian oligarchy terrorized by the spectre of the average Russian realizing that he didn’t have to live in absolute misery under the heel of Kremlin billionaires (with an official income of $120,000 USD lmaoooooo).Millions are dead and wounded so Putin can keep shitting in a golden plates toilet. It’s sad, really.
>>542771409Ain't no bait here, I'm actually curious, thus asking the experts here
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>>542770938Cui bono? It's not that hard to figure it out, Anon.
>>542770938Jews.Maria Ivanovna Putina (née Shelomova; 1911–1998
>>542771366Western powers highly underestimated the power you have as ruler/oligarch over slavs. Millions of them will gladly go and die in a war no matter how corrupt or loathsome the leadership is.
>>542770938Russians were trying to cover up corruption and money stealing in the army with a quick victory. But this time the ukros were prepared and the russians were not. Then it became a political matter as a russian loss is unacceptable or the current politicians will get ousted.
>>542770938Free real estate and NATO destruction which by extension is also more free real estate (Polandboland and Baltics, more former soviet satellites)
>>542771521Gold plated*. Thanks auto-correct. Yeah, I’m phone posting. Big whoop. Watcha goan do bout it white boy?
No one remembersNuland got sacked and we all rejoiced...now we don't remember anything and we are unsure about what to do with Venezuela
>>542771607Vladimir Rudolfovich Solovyov was born on 20 October 1963, in Moscow, Russian SFSR, USSR, to an Ashkenazi Jewish family.[This guy indoctrinates golems.Btw, problem is not only jews but jews + good gentiles.
>>542770938Because project syndicate and open society foundation used radio media and propaganda to convince Ukrainians to invade internationally recognised Russian Navy Bases on Crimea. Prompting Russia to defend itself.Once underway, Israel began recongnizing the profit potential by laundering aid to Ukraine into Israeli coffers.Paying off Russian ogliarchs is a small business expence.
>>542770938The Dnipro oil and gas fieldIt contains probably more reserves than NorwayOne of the first acts of the new Ukraine government was to pass a law that took away any restrictions on foreign sale pricesThis would have completely cut off Russia from the market in their biggest exportHunter Biden was deep in this, his association with the sector is well on recordThe infrastructure is already there, just needed updated and the EU etc would have had cheap energy on tap for yearsits why they still keep throwing money at it in the hope they get it backWe are talking trillions upon trillions of gas
>>542771366Not really More of a Georgia operationBreak off a few regions by putting pressure on the capital and fuck offUnfortunately for Russia the 5 eyes were ready to kill ever single hohol
>>542770938jews saw a revolution coming that could hinder their control over russia and started a pointless war to fix some loopholes in constitution and laws, while making niggerilions and cleansing inobedient goy. This is a literal jewish wet dream
>>542770938Deny the West access to the mineral riches of the Donbas.Prevent NATO from deploying short range nukes in East Ukraine.Secure own land access to Crimea.
>>542771720>Israel is behind it allClassic
>>542770938Mostly Jews who planted the seefs and the fact that russians are rapists and murderers by nature.It was always going to happen eventually, maybe not Ukraine, but someone was gonna get culturally enriched by Russian HIV.
>>542770938Putin has been in power long enough to view himself as a historical figure and he has become obsessed with returning Russia to being a premiere player on the world stage like it was as the USSR or the high points of Imperial Russia. he views the post Cold War global stage as a constraint on Russia in this and so he is trying to undermine it any way possible - one of the sacred cows of the current landscape of international relations is respect for sovereign borders and encouraging breakaway regions in other countries or just outright annexing territory of other countries goes a long way to discrediting this taboo. Imperial world views by default don't really conceptualize borders like the post WW2 legal framework envisions.Ukraine in particular has a really complicated relationship with Russia historically due to Russian high culture's romanticized history viewing Russia as having some sort of special right to claiming a direct line to the Kievan Rus (somehow superceding the people who are direct descendants of it). Ukraine itself is also historically incredibly messy and has been a contested killing field for tons of regional powers for centuries, and Ukrainian culture itself is both really similar to Russian culture and has been experiencing constant cultural exchange with the different duchies and princedoms that would eventually become unified as Russia under Muscovy. Russians view Ukrainians as kind of retarded folksy little brothers who will always mess shit up if left to their own devices and the Putin government is PROFOUNDLY high on conspiratorial thinking about the West - viewing it as obsessed with Russia and wanting to steal its resources and break it up, despite it being pretty fucking obvious the Europeans were willing to just happily trade with and enrich Russia despite it being a mafia state that violates all their supposed European values and the US just not wanting to even think about Russia while it obsesses over China
>>542771637The only rightful move for Putin would be to take the window but he's too bitch to admit he irredeemably ruined his country with his retarded decision>Cut off himself from Europe, the biggest buyer of Russian resources and supplier of technology>Made their literal brother nation into mortal enemy that sleeps and dreams how to kill another Russian >Revealed themselves to the entire world as a third world county stuck in middle ages causing only suffering to their neighbors fully in 4k while being perceived as le smart superpower before. Reputation permanently ruined and Russians are now rightfully seen as animals they are >Completely selling themselves out to China for cheap, China doesn't even want them >Extreme population decline due to poverty and war>Being militarily pushed back by poorest country of Europe Leaders killed themselves over for less. But Russians just keep doubling down.
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>>542770938If retards didn't attack Ukraine they would be swimming in money selling to EU right now. Putin went full retard.
Putin said to denazify Ukraine's government
>>542771908Read nigga, read!
>>542771736https://hir.harvard.edu/ukraine-energy-reserves/>Excluding Russia’s gas reserves in Asia, Ukraine today holds the second biggest known gas reserves in Europe. As of late 2019, known Ukrainian reserves amounted to 1.09 trillion cubic meters of natural gas, second only to Norway’s known resources of 1.53 trillion cubic meters. Yet, these enormous reserves of energy remain largely untapped. Today, Ukraine has a low annual reserve usage rate of about 2 percent. Moreover, more active exploration may yield previously undiscovered gas fields, which would further increase the overall volume of Ukraine’s deposits.
>>542771115>>542771333You retards forgot the part that Ukraine had a fair and open election, the USA/EU backed party lost and the Russian speaking parts of Ukraine voted for Zelenskyy, yet Russia still invaded.
>>542771115>You have aids lmao retarded gay raped obsessed animal.You're in Germany for a reason.
>>542772268Go back pigga
>>542770938Because russia is afraid of becoming irrelevant, completely oblivious that they've been irrelevant since at least 1989
>>542770938The US had biolabs along the Russia/Ukraine border making bioweapons.
People said some smart shit wrapped in Putin hate... bit one sided. If you are going to highlight corruption in Russia and 'Putin's friends' and not say a word about the zelenski regime... Bit dishonest There was a lot of western meddling making sure Russia doesn't come out too strong or strategically well placed since the end of the cold war and the berlin wall and all that. That, all the way to the orange revolution blunder is the reason. Crimea was the thing that determined the attack imo, also there is a lot in the background, like negotiations about Ukraine joining NATO and the recent history of NATO
>>542770938Russia invaded Ukraine because eastern Ukraine has oil and natural gas. An independent Ukraine competes with russia and taxes Russian pipelines to Europe through Ukraine.Nordstream 1&2 were all about avoiding land pipelines through eastern europe.Literally just economic warfare. EU aligned Ukraine is a competitor to Russia. Subjugated Ukraine is not.
>>542772291You're all the same subhumans.
Spreading gulaghomo
>>542772474Poolacke pls
>>542771521>>542771115>posting 2014 propagandaWrong. It was only ever about resources.
As you can see, most people have low IQs and are unable to think for themselves. Russia did not attack Ukraine; instead Russia NATO and Ukraine created an operation to get rid of people who do not work or are considered unnecessary. They also want to restrict people’s rights. This is only the beginning.Ask yourself: is such a long war possible with today’s technology? No, it isn’t. Zelensky would have been eliminated long ago if this were a real war Russia has the best intelligence agents. This is really about something else: they want to restrict our rights and gain more control over us
>>542772461Gulaghomo sucks and youre gay for supporting it
>>542772080That gas rightfully belongs to Russia, Ukraine owes them their existance, it's only fair Russia gets atleast 80% of the gas reserves.
>>542770938My headcanon is that Putin wanted to solve all the issues Russia was facing both internally and externally before the 2024 election so he could hand over power. Man was hitting his 70s and had not a single competent heir, he must have been afraid that leaving any loose ends could have spiralled into disaster. So the plan was a quick show of force to change the government, reunite the country under pro-russian leadership and end the quagmire once and for all. He was even ready to let them join the EU, as long as they constitutionally ensured neutrality. Unfortunately the hohols chose the alternative, which was national suicide, so now Putin is forced to watch as russia is systematically eradicating the ukrainian state
>>542772565The fact remains that in 988 when Prince Vladimir was baptized, following the example of his Grandmother Princess Olga (Who had made Kiev the capital of Russia years prior), he had his closest companions baptized and over the next several years he had all of Russia baptized and transitioned from a Pagan nation into a Christian one. This lasted until Prince Yaroslav the Wise introduced the order of succession to a throne, which became a complicated process and all the different lines led to fragmentations and the end of a single Russian state. The same thing was happening in Europe throughout this time, but the fragmented Russian state became easy pray for the successors of Genghis Khan. Batu Kahn came to Russia and plundered nearly all of the Russian cities, including Kiev, most cities lost sovereignty and had to pay tribute to the Golden Horde. It was during this time a unified Russian state began to take shape with its center in Moscow. Originally, the word for Ukrainian meant that the person was living on the outskirts of the state along the fringes or was engaged in a border patrol service. It didn't mean any particular ethnic group. So the Poles were trying in every possible way to colonize this part of the Russian lands, and actually treated it rather cruelly. They introduced their language there, and tried to entrench the idea that this population was not exactly Russian, but because they lived on the fringes they were Ukrainians. It wasn't until after the invasion of the Poles and Lithuanians under the leadership of Bohdan Khmelnytsky (which led to the massacre of 100s of thousands of Poles and Jews) that led to the first occupation of the Russian lands in the area that is now called the Ukraine. After the war with Poland a truce was declared and the whole left bank of the Dnieper including Kiev went back to Russia. Then under the rule of Catherine the Great, Russia reclaimed all of its historical lands.
>>542771115You missed the part where Russians poisoned and killed their leaders. Obviously it's pointless to argue with revisionists who are immigrants in another country.
>>542770938Real non-shill answer: Russian intelligence convinced Putin that Ukraine's military wouldn't fight them and they'd just welcome the Russian troops. Putin seeing a potentially easy route to expand and retake a bunch of land Russia used to own, cementing his legacy as a great restorer of Russian power, thus authorized a special military operation (not a war, as the Russian criminal code explicitly forbids waging a war of aggression).
YES, IVE HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT BIOLABS AND US MANIPULATING THE ELECTIONS - DO YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT IT
>>542772567Im not supporting him, Im responding/adding to what was said. It's not primarily the west fucking with elections in Georgia or whatever, it's Russia, also there are Russian populations, big ones, spread all over east Europe as a fallout of what was there before, which was Russian demographic aggression. look at Latvia, shit will pop eventually if they dont 'visa' deport all those Russians...It's just complicated and 'Putin bad' is... Like c'mon man you can do better
>>542772683What happened was there were Ukrainian nazis committing genocide against ethnic Russian people in the donbas region. So to protect the russians living in the ukraine, Putin had to send his army in to denazify the region.
>>542770938>>542771115>>542771136Putin wanted to reestablish imperial russia, that's why he fought georgia, ghechen and now ukraine>others that say otherwise are retard shill that refuse to see bigger picture and previous russian post soviet warseverything is simply written in lawrow ultimatum from 2021
>>542770938If you really want to understand it without trolling you should start from reading The Tale of Years Begone
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>>542772828>86yr old malnourished Babushkas are browsing /pol/ in the BIG 2026What a time to be alive (if you didn't get meatcubed) fellow RU.dittors!
>>542770938You're asking why is Russia eager of territorial expansion in general, or you're asking about Ukraine particular?If you're asking about Ukraine, then answer is that Russian leadership lives in a bubble of it's own creation. They genuinely believed that with minimal efford Russia will have territorial gaines of eastern Ukraine and Russian vassal puppet state of western Ukraine.
>>542771543basically this, it all started in the 2008 Bucharest NATO summit
>>542771366>To be fair, everybody thought this before 2022Yeah because the outcome it led to is completely insane>hey lets lose half our population and a fifth of our country in a war with Russia we can't possibly win
>>542772699You mean the biolabs that the DNI and Pentagon confirmed do exist and are under investigation for a public disclosure ?
>>542770938>What were the actual reasons behind the invasion?Its simply Russia hiding its inner issues with foreign wars. After Russia had dealth with ISIS and secured Syria they needed a new target. Shortly before the Crimea invasion in 2014, many russian regions reported their civil servants not getting paid for months and holding riots over it.
>>542771366>fivht More like genocide their own people like the French planned to do against the Nazis until Petain stopped them and they fled like pussies
>>542772183>Ukraine voted for ZelenskyRemind me what Zelensky's stance was on Russia/Donbass and what happened in late 2019.Don't forget the detail that he was openly threatened by the Azov guys that he'll hang from a tree if he implements Minsk.Ukraine voted for peace, the interested power factions wanted war and they got what they wanted.
Landgrab
>>542773139They denied it categorically Then they admitted some exist and that they were about something entirely different Then they admitted it
>>542772554Yes, the wealth from those resources the kleptocracy wished to keep for itself. >doesn’t realize I am posting propaganda from 1999.Don’t look up the Cassette affair.
>>542773235Quite funny
Good luck getting a sensible answer on /pol/, but there were reasons, and some of us were actually there. Strategic level, Russia wants to rebuild territorial navy in the asov Sea, fortify Sevastopol, trade oil through Gallipoli. Russia wants better access to aziri oil and gas, all of which result in more power over eastern Europe, which historically Russians usually did have. Ukranian clay is worth money, and like chechenya controlling any part of the territories will lead to long term population shift. Theatre level; there was a long running political campaign to encourage citizens to defect to Russia, some villages and towns were generally pro Russian, all sides had spies and agents in the region and there were more and more terror attacks carried out by these spies. Firing mortars at towns, kidnapping women, RPG attacks. Nobody knows about this because the war had not started yet and the idea Russia had been attacked by ukranian separatists is something which in the west you simply aren't allowed to say out loud. In reality both sides attacked each other in a long running campaign.Politically; Russian relations with Belarus were strong and the idea of forming another buffer state between Russia was appealing. Holding both Russian, ukranian trade rights was appealing as was rural Ukraine avoiding paying urban taxes. Zelinsky was a plant, is a plant, some nobody tv figure propped up by western agents, Western media. But ukranians aren't stupid, they knew this but saw him as a way to join NATO.Really this has just left the US starting a war on ukranian soil to waste Russian military resources, Brussels trying to bankrupt Russia and oust putin, send resources to Ukraine without actually fighting, without committing and without actually letting Ukraine join NATO.Nobody cares that Ukraine has suffered generational casualty levels, or that Russia has lost so many men, it's really about Russian planes, tanks, missiles, radars, high value military assets.
>>542773223>Ukraine voted for peacePeople forget that
>>542773223>Ukraine voted for peace,So why didn't they lay down their arms like everyone expected them to do when Russia invaded? The fact ukies fought back and pushed Russia back was not a shock just to Russia but for the rest of the world as well.
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>>542771115More like>Ukraine voted to join EU>Pro-russian president cancels everything >2014 Euromaidan revolution>Pro Russian president orders to shoot at crowd>Resentment against Russians grow even more>Ukrainian government is replaced by pro EU leaders>From this point on, Russia did everything in its power to take back the control over its former Ukrainian puppet state.>Funds "separatists" (actually, russian paramilitary)>Invades and annexes Crimea to secure its naval base in the black sea>Donbass war>Stalemate>Fast forward 2022>Large scale invasion to tip the scale>Stalemate
>>542770938Technically Russia dis not invade any Ukraine. Those regions were independent by that time.
>>542771115If you are not a russian behind a vpn it would be extremely embarrassing to be this retarded and gullible
>>542772517>>542772567lol nobody's buying your bullshit anymore, you gay kikeget rekt faggot lmao
>>542773485You skip over the part where the CIA had direct involvement in arming violent banderite factions who then went on to starter murdering people While Kiev did nothing until the Odessa massacre which then kicked off the Donbass spring But we know who you are maxime
>>542773535Gulaghomo lost kek
>>542773585Odessa status?lmfao
>>542773585>gulaghomo This is more inorganic than zigger
>>542773485>Funds "separatists" (actually, russian paramilitary)99% of the POWs in the first six months of the 2014 conflict were all separatists you lying cunt
>>542771610and I doubt the russians will ever change, pity...
>>542773332>So why didn't they lay down their arms like everyone expected them to do when Russia invaded?How many answers do you want?Some 10 million left Ukraine entirely (most west, some east), and I'm not seeing too much enthusiasm in those who remain for actually fighting the Russians besides the hardcore banderists.People are fearful sheep for the most part. That's how bussification can happen on an ongoing basis for years now. Meanwhile, polls have also shown for years already that Ukrainians would rather settle this war than keep fighting, but that doesn't seem to matter.You don't seem to understand basic principles of how a politic gets moved. All you need is a couple of percent of motivated actors to be seize control of a country. That's what happened in 2014, there was no "pro-Russian" militia of 50k men to threaten those in power to counter the Azovniks. A minority imposing its will on the majority is the rule rather than the exception at this point in our sacred democracies.
The truth that requires very little appeal to secret plans or retarded contrived fictions is that the russians believed in their own propaganda, like how you can't fathom how a flat earther actually believes in his shit putin actually believed in the color revolutions, in his own made history paper, and that ukraine wished to be liberated by the good russia. Humans are generally very poor at theory of mind, especially for assessing the beliefs and pov of other people in opposite camps.That's why a right winger cannot fathom a lefty actually believes in something and assumes he is doing things out of malice and vice versa. How a christian cannot fathom an atheist doesn't believe in god and instead choses to rebel, how an atheist cannot understand why a christian would believe in such an obviously fake religion
>>542771409I remember watching that vice sponsored documentary about the 2014 donbas region crisis called russian roulette o algo, and it wasn't pure libtard bullshit because the journalist wasn't just some tranny from vice
>>542773332Because they voted for 'Peace', not 'Surrender'.It was then that Ukraine realised that anything they offered, Russia would just try to take more, and Russia's offers were never sincere..
>>542773332Ukraine stands to gain nothing in this war, it's not about why they fought but about why they were then unable to end the conflict diplomatically.Zelinsky was a plant, is now a dictator who refuses for ordinary elections to be held in any part of Ukraine. The reality is that the ukranians avoided becoming part of Russia, but are now a western puppet state. If there were elections held next month Z would simply lose, putin would sign a cease fire with the new ukranian pm, peace keepers would be deployed to a demilitarised strip on the border, Ukraine would have to stop letting western terrorists in but Russia would have to move armoured units further away. Everyone expected this to happen years ago, but z is kidnapping and killing political opponents off the street in kyiv
>>5427737446 months in a conflict that lasted 8 years and at the border with russia you'd be stupid to think it wasn't direct involvement. One region couldn't have held alone against a national military in a conflict twice longer than WW2.
>>542773139Can you elaborate? I've heard something about the Biolabs but I have no idea how it leads to the current war
>>542772828>tripfaggot AND memeflaggot>retarded braindead takeHow predictable.
>>542773318Thanks for the comment. But why would EU want to destabilise Russia? It might sound naive but EU has / had no plans actually attacking Russia. Why not just live in harmony whilst having a strong trade partner?And speaking of Chechnya - why did Russians attack them? Just to destroy their independence movement or did/ has Chechnya some juicy minerals that Russia might be interested in?
>>542771115Keeping NATO out of Ukraine it’s that simple
>>542771115Your propaganda piece is rather dated, Dennis.
>>542773942>2014 was 8 years agoTry harder nafo troon
>542773580Yeah yeah, everyone is CIA or duped by CIA except you faggot oh shut the fuck up and take your meds.
>>542773967Beginning of Donbass war in 2014 until 2022 Russian invasion. Activate your neurons.
>>542773942Before the war everyone was there, the whole region was a circus of spies and terrorists.If Russia was willing to launch a war consider how much they would spend to secure ikranian clay without a war.And if Germany was afraid of ww3, a conical repeat of ww2 where the Russian army got too large so Germany had to fortify prussia but the stupid poles attacked Germany instead of Russia, ww3. So Germany decided to bait Russia into a war in Crimea to pull troops away from Belarus, and just whittle away Russian armoured units in Ukraine until Russia ran out of money
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>>542773967The biolabs are just a part of it they were making Russian specific gene bio weapons this is known since 2009 the entire butthurt belt is full with these kind of labs since the Obama era
>>542771115>jews stage coup in Ukraine>new Ukraine jewish government is anti Russian>eastern part of ukraine never voted for this and sees the society as broken and wants its own land>jews start an Anti Terror Operation killing many civilians>Russians send special forces in to start a separatist uprising>ukrainians keep escalating and committing more terrorism under jewish orders until Russia decides to fully step inFTFW
>>542773869I remember watching it and seeing the Jewish host, Ostrovsky hilariously contradicting his own stated propaganda of ukraine good , separatists bad by video footage of the ukies being bloodthirsty Nazi Penal Corps ans the "evil" "Russian" separatists being just a local (east Ukrainian) ragtag bands.The liberal faggot then had this episode where he " openly pro Ukraine " was "kidnapped" by the donbass guys, but they treated him well and not a hair on his head was harmed.
>>542770938They got fed up with Ukraine violating Minsk and mortaring Donbas, and thought they'd be welcomed as liberators from Ukrainians sick of Kiev's corruption and misrule (the last time Ukraine was richer than Russia was when they were part of the Soviet Union and the Ukrainian clique in Moscow that lasted from Kruschev to Gorbachev could direct pork to their hometown). They thought they could decapitate with a pincer of armor and an airhead at Gostomel (never, ever, ever drink the paratrooper kool-aid).
>>542773477fag24 takes 20sec clip out of context? yeah big shock. propaganda for gullible retards.Putin warns against Nato expansion 2001:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1137859.stm
>>542774350Plus 12 CIA listening posts in ukraine at Russia's border.
>>542773332they were fed lies by nuland and boris johnson that the west would back ukraine up with endless supply of wunderwaffen.
>>542774131Mostly because Brussels and Moscow are fighting for influence over eastern Europe for 3000 years. And whether Poland is forced to buy oil and gas from the Baltic or from caucuses is a big factor in who controls Poland. Currently half of Poland is like slave labour for Europe, when thy could be slave labour for glorious Russia.Chechenya was an ethnic enclave and Islamic, if they gained independence then Muslims in Russia would all move to the Islamic region which could expand rapidly as Russians converted to Islam. The Russians also need to avoid chechenya becoming a NATO military base like Kosovo. Had Russia lost the Chechen war they would have yet another NATO base on their border. The sneaky Georgians also hate Chechenya but didn't want to fight, and Russia wants to invade Georgia but somehow sneaky Georgia stopped putin without the Ukraine war being there. Because if Georgia had voted for their zelinsky guy, Ukraine war would have been in Georgian side of crimea.
>>542774444https://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/03/world/as-nato-finally-arrives-on-its-border-russia-grumbles.html 20 years of warnings ignored, that we knew would cause hostile reaction and we did it anywaywestern leaders need an external threat to survive lol.
>>542770938Water and land resources for agriculture. I'm not lying either. Russians just can't stop stealing other people's shit or lying about it. They are worse than gypsies or jews in that regard.That's why there are so many head scratching mental gymnastics about Russias reasons, it's deliberate. They don't even want their own people to truly know the reason. Half of Putins administration doesn't even know why, but 3 things are certain, greed, pride, and envy.
>>542774350Idk senpai, the bio labs are normal biolabs and the russians are using their propaganda to justify war with muh bio weapons n shit
>https://www.kyivpost.com/post/28664>How the CIA Supports Ukraine – and Vice Versa>According to the New York Times, the CIA has built a series of secret listening posts in Ukraine to tracks Russian troop movements, air and missile attacks.>by Steve Brown | Feb. 26, 2024>For almost 10 years the US has been helping Kyiv to train a “new generation of Ukrainian spies” who are operating globally against Russia.
>>542770938Britain wanted a Black Sea port and mineral rights. They also wanted Europe off Russian energy since they are heavily invested in Qatari energy. The sequence of events is immaterial, the above 2 desires govern the entire thing.They talked Biden into endorsing but failed to do the same to Trump. They herded Europe into paying for it with fearmaxxing. At any point Ukraine appeared to buckle, they were there to urge them onwards to their doom.Divide and Rule, playing small states against big then cleaning up in the aftermath, has been Britains foreign policy in Europe for hundreds of years. Ukraine is just the latest example.
>>542774796So COVID being created in a US funded Biolab is Russian propaganda?
>>542774796Are the Russians even pushing that conspiracy slop? It seems like westoids who want some exciting spy thriller reasoning rather than the boring reality that Putin got fed up with the simmering border war and perceptions that not Kiev was abiding by the Minsk ceasefire in good faith.
>>542774391tbqh I usually autofilter information and all I got from the documentary is that ruskies got left in donbass and crimea, they wanted to be part of the federation, crimea was annexed without many problems, donbass had a short conflict, tho not too much bloodshed, the separatists seemed mostly in the right, ukros had their nazi azov battalion who are the exact opposite and equal opponents of vatniks (both are dumb and bloodthirsty), but ukros made more casualties than novoruskies, civilians pay the bill like alwaysI recall some riots as well
>Russian state media constantly spouts how Ukrainians are just confused Russians and that Ukraine has no reason to exist other than as a region of Russia>Constant bitching by Russians about losing their USSR and tsarist era subjects>Ukraine seemed weak 2022, had no security guarantees and the EU was reliant on Russian energy>WhY dId theY inVade??Sure Ukraine making closer ties with the west was the official reason given to gullible westerners but it all boils down to Russians seeing Ukraine as their land that was taken from them. The argument about them being an existential threat to Russia by joining NATO is retarded since Russia has thousands of nukes and was already bordered by Poland, the Baltics and Turkey which are all NATO members
>>542774444Checked
>>542774860>We don't have a sane theory of causus belli IN GERMANYYou're like the retards that think the 03 Iraq War was about taking the oil.
>>542774575But to be fair that's exactly what happened. Ukraine lost men, Brussels lost money, US supplied advanced weapons systems. Russia has indeed lost a significant amount of their older or obsolete HTI assets, so Germany 100% got what they wanted. The issue is actually that western powers are so keen to keep smoking high value Russian systems at not cost that they don't want the war to end, and Ukraine is now fucked. >can't surrender>can't sign truce while occupied>can't boot z and lift occupation without surrenderingThe wisdom of trying to fight a superpower with borrowed military hardware and foreign partisans, ukranians are not stupid, they saw the risk. But they rightly feared a Russian invasion and many were stupid enough to think they could actually join nato, with no army, nothing to offer.Georgians, belarisians, prussians, Nepalese, everyone in a buffet state knows gaining military support from either side means being caught in the middle of a war with both sides. Why could Ukraine not see that z was a plant and how internally did ukranians lose power in their own army and government, granular. If have to start naming people
>>542774796Dude I’ve been following this shit since 07 08 the gene sequences that came out of one of these labs were making specific viruses for Russian gene sequences. This was way before le Russian menace was a hot topic
>>542774995>But they rightly feared a Russian invasionOr they could have stuck to the decade old ceasefire, instead of spitefully creating a humanitarian crisis in Donbas.
>>542773699Gulaghomo is pretty easyYou guys spread gulag and you spread homoDont like it? Dont spread it faggotGulaghomo lost btw
>>542774938The Russians were always going to take whatever they could get, but the issue is whether Ukraine built a proper army and maintained independence, a buffer state broke away from Ukraine and the outcome was some second Belarus type country, or whether Brussels flipped Ukraine and used it to attack Russia. It's not like Ukraine had any good options, but Bulgaria, Georgia, Belarus worked it out.
>>542770938Well you see, it all goes back to the year 1200 when the mongols raped the Kievan rus
>>542775092>could have stuck to the decade old ceasefireNo, they couldn't. They had the Minsk agreement to stick to, which included the federalisation of Donbass and minority rights.
>>542775092No the Russians were putting too many resources into destabilising donbas, which as a wealthy region and historically closely tied to regional elites could easily have declared independence from both Ukraine, Georgia, Russia, and just become a bunch of casinos, resorts and whore houses.Terrorists and spies were tearing the region apart from every side, if Ukraine didn't send in the circus they would have lost the territory as well, and Russia would have just kept clawing more
>>542775112Kiev loved sending people to the Gulag though.Stupid troon
>>54277093860-90% of ru gov and elites are ethnic Ukrainians. Rest is mixed people. Shuigu Ukrainian.Before war, they suppressed all ethnic rus groups in russia. Their plan - create ussr 2.0.Overall, they planned to heavy invest in Ukraine and turn it in most rich place. Like it was in usssr and in 90s - early 00s
>>542773128Your right. More sane to give up and hand your country over. So when will Canada surrender to us. You clearly support such actions.
>>542770938The first response is accurate but it leaves out the fact that the state of Ukraine didn't actually exist until the break up of the Soviet Union in 1991. And given that the idea for a state of Ukraine was originally Stepan Bandera's, I'm surprised the Russian's ever agreed to it at all. The people living in Eastern and south eastern Ukraine are predominantly of Russian descent. So when the US backed coup happened in 2014, they knew they wanted no part of it. There was a brief conflict that ended in 2015, the Russians won it and made Ukraine sit down and settle peace terms. This is where the Minsk accords came from. Of course Ukraine had no real intention of keeping the peace, even though they just lost, the decision by them and their western cohorts was to rearm and keep fighting. By the time Russia invaded Ukraine had been shelling the Donbass for several years. The Russians were always aware that the west was arming Ukraine too. Putin wrote to Staltenberg (former head of NATO) warning him that if the west continues it would lead to conflict. Staltenberg publicly admitted he got the letter and ignored it as his masters no doubt instructed. The rest, from the Reddit brigades to the Mariupol cum pit and the cope cages on tanks you no doubt know already.
>>542775644>Don't try to take your lands back from a foreign invadersDo you have any balls anon?
>>542775289Yes. I'm saying that Ukraine was not sticking to Minsk.Of course, invading the largest, best armed, and most experienced European military where they would enjoy defenders' advantages was always a big gamble.
>>542771115>nothing happens in donbass>russian citizens and army servicemen enter Ukraine with russian army military equipment>They use russian army BUK anti-air system to down Malaysian civilian airliner>Ukraine conduct anti international terrorist operation in donbass>russia invades Ukraine to support their terrorists
>>542770938Kremlin stooge elected on closer economic ties with EU, goe back on promises.Driven fleeing to russia leaving behind piles of evidence of corruption.Zelenski runs on closer economic ties with EU while remaining friendly to Russia.That's not good enough for Russia.They invade crimea, at the time saying it was an entirely organic separatist movement they had no hand in but later bragging about how of course it was their guys they sent in to round up officials and force a vote despite no local support.No one wanted a larger conflict or losing the Russian oil market that has been cultivated in part in the hope the financial incentive would restrain Russia's worst warning inclinations and they were left off with some finger wagging and token sanctions.It worked so well they decided to use the same tactic on a wider scale, sending in troops to pose as, encite, and arm Russian agents and dissidents, setting up positions in buildings to then claim were civilian targets of some "genocide".This led up to western intelligence warning of massing Russian troops and a coming full invasion.Russia lied that it was all BS, that they had no reason or intention to invade and were just performing peaceful defensive exercises near the border.That the west was lying so that when Russia finished exercises and sent troops home the west would claim a fake victory of deescalation from a non-existent threat of invasion.It was only after their invasion that they began to trot our a revolving carousel of excuses.Basically, Ukraine moving economically closer to the EU, that counter-influence being intolerable to russia, and them trying to either install a puppet or outright annex ukraine
One last thing before I pop out of the thread. If anybody thinks Zelensky had any real power at any point, you are completely uninformed at best.All you need to do, which is kind of hard after 4 years of war, is to find the video of Zelensky visiting the Donbass front in 2019, trying to tell them to stand down and getting completely told off by some skinhead guy telling him they've sent a representative to his office. This is a man who never had any serious power as a president in his own country. In any serious country these guys would've immediately been jailed instead of openly threatening and even assassinating politicians.
>>542775567Motorola was ethnic russian from russian federationStrelkov is ethnic russian from russian federationGivi was noviop georgianthese are the donbass "independence" fighters
>>542774988>Since the signing of Executive Order 13303 (EO13303) by President George W Bush on 22 May 2003, all revenues from Iraq’s oil sales have been funneled directly into an account at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.>EO13303, titled “Protection of the Development Fund for Iraq and Other Property in Which Iraq Has an Interest,” has been renewed annually by every US president, including Joe Biden in 2024. >This executive order essentially places control over Iraq’s oil revenues under the discretion of the US President, leaving Baghdad with limited control over its resources and earnings.same deal with Venezuela after that coup and no doubt it would have been the same with Iran if that 'regime change' had worked. your flag are not the good guys you were told they are.
>>542775801Take your head out the propaganda. Kyiv fucked around in a disputed border march and eventually found out in spite of many, many offramps to keep their fucking around at an acceptable minimum.
>>542774350That's impossible as Russia is a diverse nation, not mention they are related to finns and Ukrainians, there is zero actual evidence to support your stupid theory.>>542774796This, it's blatant propaganda gobbled up by gullible idiots.>>542774920Covid wasn't transmissible by air, it was all a lie.
>>542775850Zelinsky was the front man of a puppet faction within Ukraine which held a lot of power in kyiv. Much like soros, this faction was deeply hated in regional areas. Donbas was a circus, everyone was fighting over it. Nobody really controlled it. Like danzig the region had long enjoyed a degree of independence
>>542775953Gulaghomo lost faggot
>>542775953Strelkov himself said that nothing was happening in donbass until they arrived. Only propaganda is your retarded migger fantasies.
>>542775112So why are fag parades happening in the Ukraine and not Russia?
>>542770938Ukraine was continuously bombarding Donbas with artillery.Ukraine was diverting the water supplies of Crimea.Ukraine was making russian speaking citizens second-class and attempting to wipe out russian populations which had voted to separate from ukraine.
>>542770938>Some people claim the whole situation was influenced or engineered by the CIA/US, while others say Russia invaded mainly to prevent Ukraine from eventually joining NATOThese are the same
>>542775801Timeline you got there is wrong faggot Malaysian airline got shot down AFTER Ukraine started their ATO which included doing bombing runs targeting civilian shelters Russia informed the UNSC and UN that Donetsk and Lugansk were no fly zones, it was the choice of the airliner to ignore a very loud warning and fly through an active war zone
>>542775807>Zelenski runs on closer economic ties with EU while remaining friendly to Russia.That's not good enough for Russia.They invade crimea, at the time saying it was an entirely organic separatist movement they had no hand in but later bragging about how of course it was their guys they sent in to round up officials and force a vote despite no local support.Average NAFO fag’s knowledge of the Donbass conflict right here btw
>>542776211Ya nothing was happening, the right sektor and svoboda faggots who tried to go show who’s boss didn’t get lynched by a crowd of tens of thousands of people who stoned them and beat them to death?The police armories didn’t get raided by normal civilians The national guard didn’t get shot at and killed to the point they had to leave Donetsk city Nothing at all….
>>542776228NawTrump got them to stop the shelling from 2017-2021. If you look at the UN reports 95% of the deaths were from unexploded ordnance and Obama mines.1 month after Biden was elected Zelensky was given conscription powers and he moved troops to the border.
>>542770938it was urkaine that attacked first
>>542776306>it was the choice of the airliner to ignore a very loud warning and fly through an active war zonetrue.
>>542776158Russia also fucked around and found out. As it turns out, invading what was even at the time the largest, most heavily armed, and experienced military in Europe was not in fact a cakewalk. Especially when your war plans were based on wishful thinking, an airhead, and a prayer.
>>542776052It’s not a theory it’s proven fact because you don’t know about it doesn’t mean it isn’t true
>>542771521> Ukrainians’ success and prosperitylol lmao even This fairy tale again!That corrupt shithole was plundered by Jewish oligarchs without a strong president puting them in their place.We know who bought themselves golden faucets and toliets in Kiev from our billions that were supposed to win the war. Fuck off with your ridiculous bullshit!
>>542776306Timeline starts with the arrival of the russian army in donbass
>>542776052The truth of the biolabs is that they were largely left over from the Soviet union and Ukraine, Russian, and America shared management to some degree.It is not something that Obama suddenly had built all across "le butthurt belt"(such a dumb insult lol) yet only called for invasion in Ukraine.
>>542775628>tf>tpnot a single war won over 80 years and that'snot changing any time soon
>>542776211Specifically he said that he "pulled the trigger" on the conflict and otherwise the "genocide" would have fizzled out with just a few dozen killed or even just arrested. Basically a small-medium criminal organisation(funded armed and directed by a hostile foreign power that had already invaded and seized land once in recent memory) being shut down.Compare that to how many in those regions have died since, many thrown at the front by those that supposedly came to save them.
>>542776343You can't even properly greentext you vpn retard.
>>542776488No it is a theory, so post your proof they were working on a specific gene bioweapon to target "Russians" and then tell me how Russians dna differs from Ukrainian. You're too dumb to be Dutch.
>>542776645You are a lying faggotContracts were awarded by the US Dept of War and brand new level 4 biolabs were built.Hunter Biden even had his own biolab (Metabiota)
>>542776052> That's impossible as Russia is a diverse nationThey wouldn't need to kill any other ethnic but Muscovite Russians to have Russia collapse and take over. But I know that this isn't easily done in some biolabs. And yet, those labs were clearly there to provide toxic agents that would eventually be used against Russians of any ethnic indiscriminately.
>>542776488T-Trust me bro bro, it's real ok, it's a proven fact because I believe it to be got it ?
>>542770938Read the fucking alexander dugins book, they want soviet union ++ thats their endgame
>>542771521>ukrainian success and prosperity lol. lmao even
> Both U.S. and Ukraine are signatories to the Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention (BTWC), prohibiting bioweapons.> The program details are publicly accessible on the U.S. Embassy website and Ukraine's official legal portal (zakon.rada.gov.ua)—they are not secret installations.> United Nations Security Council: Held formal consultations at Russia's request in 2022; Ukraine provided full data on cooperation programs. None of Russia's accusations were substantiated.> Documented evidence supports that U.S.-funded biological facilities existed in Ukraine for public health purposes under internationally recognized programs. Claims they were developing biological weapons lack substantiation according to UN processes, fact-checkers, and treaty monitoring bodies
>>542775744the donbass russians ARE taking back their lands from banderite invaders
>>542773485Timeline /tug/: https://files.catbox.moe/m97wmq.pdf
>>542776411Not saying it's not so, but do you have specific news or documents to show this troop movement? Never heard of that one specifically.
>>542771115>USA stages a coup in Ukraine>Russia dindu nuffin
>>542777735Old disinfo you retarded faggot>https://www.military.com/gabbard-releases-biolab-records-years-after-disinformation-accusations?>The intelligence dump goes beyond the debate that surrounded Ukrainian laboratories during the early stages of Russia’s invasion. The Intelligence Community identified a global network of U.S.-funded facilities, according to Gabbard, many of which have conducted research involving hazardous and highly contagious pathogens.>The slides list pathogens and diseases including anthrax, tularemia, plague, tuberculosis, African swine fever, Newcastle disease, MERS, SARS, Marburg virus, Ebola virus and Lassa fever. According to the documents, U.S.-funded facilities conducted research involving highly infectious pathogens and participated in programs examining the genomes of highly pathogenic avian influenza and other viruses.>Gabbard’s office said some of the foreign laboratories funded by the United States have conducted research involving hazardous pathogens and, in certain cases, gain-of-function activities. The release does not identify every laboratory involved or provide a comprehensive list of projects currently underway.
>>542778395>https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/12/europe/ukraine-zelensky-front-lines/> Ankle-deep in thick black sludge, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky moves stealthily with his troops in single file through the warren of trenches and tunnels that form the tense front lines in the east of his country.
>>542771115>>Ukraine starts an Anti Terror Operation killing many civiliansBoom.
>>542778560Thanks, hard to find anything with so much anti-ukraine stuff from pre-2022 scrubbed. It's funny that they called the Donbas a "frontline" even before the war started. Kind of amazing they got such a softball in 2021, but that's how it goes I suppose.
>>542770938To have secure borders lol
>>542771115This but unironically, also US/EU wanted to park nukes there and Russia felt threatenedAlso amerijew biolabs.
>>542770938Obama's full invasion of Libya under the false narrative of "just enforcing a no fly zone" destroyed American/NATO credibility around the world and started a new cold war, arms race and series of hot wars. China, Russia, and Iran aren't even the only reactants.
>>542776932It was litterly 20 years ago you can find it if you want but you won’t because you’re not after the truth and it’s not my problem
>>542771115>>USA /EU stages coup in Ukrainenot russia's business>>new Ukraine government is anti Russiannot russia's business>>eastern part of ukraine never voted for this and sees the society as broken and wants its own landnot russia's business>>Ukraine starts an Anti Terror Operation killing many civilianswrong, the anti terror operation started only after russian freedom fighters took Crimea and started chimpouts in Donbass>>Russians send special forces in to start a separatist uprisingtrue>>ukrainians keep escalating and committing more terrorism until Russia decides to fully step inwrong, 2022 was the year with less civil and military deaths since the start of the conflict
>>542776932> and then tell me how Russians dna differs from UkrainianThey don’t they are Russians genetically and it is a US/NATO program inside ukraine
>>542770938When Mossad/Rothschilds and Central Bankers run both the American and Russian governments, the people are forced to go to war with the people, so only a handful of people gain money.That and the CIA is at war with Christ, and since Gladio and Sergianism likes to set up fake Christian churches (just like that American Dad episode where the Antichrist says everything the oppostite of Christ, that is the CIA and the fake church makers, most churches already have problems, mormons also are a big part of US intel, and they believe God is a alien, so they will believe whatever Mossad/Bankes tell them).Its insanty, the entire American military and financial elite are at war with humanity, telling them butt sex and child vore are good things, but only when those with money and in the real part do things.All modern wars are bankers wars, the people want to trade and visit each other.But of course the US military does not represent the US people, only the Political State of Israel, which is why Ukraine is just a battlefield, that allow Chabad men to travel freely, but Ukranian citizens are conspripted.We are watching the world lose its humanity, Russia has to sit with Islam, which is still in a collevtive Jihad with nonMuslims, for 1000+ years, not pro Russia, as we all know that Muslims work for with Zionists.But when you have a military industrial complex (see Spinoza) as the only source of allowed truth (Spinoza says in his heart there is no God only muh science and muh math and muh experts/consenses, muh council of night), now you have wars that dont need formal declarations, just a place to spend money and kill and remove humanity as much as possible.Im not pro any country, but as a westerner, im tried of my government and military doing the opposite of the us constition and logic, so they can fulfill the of "Zionism" aka wars for profit.The Vietnam was nothing more than a war for profit, all US wars r.
>>542770938They thought they could scare the piggies into spreading their ass for them
>>542779040>this country right next to Russia that used to be part of the same union as Russia is not Russia's business>BUT IT IS AMERICA'S BUSINESS EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PLANET nafotroon logic
>>542778720There is a glownigger in every western newsroom planting stories. It come with jouning NATO.Yesterday was 3 days since the Lithuanian bird flock was mistaken for a drone and all the news in the USA is still pretending they shot down a Russian drone.
>>542779284True.
>CIA makes hohols revolt, CIA tricks hohols to vote for the russian clown presidentA FOREIGN INTERVENTION!!!!>Russia rolls into donbass with their army composed of russian citizens and heavy equipmentWhat a wholesome organic revolution of DNR and LNR!!!!And this is why miggers are complete retards
>>542779493ain't no Russian overthrow no Ukrainian democratically elected leader
>>542770938War is 100% of the time in order to secure a more powerful and dominant geopolitical position.Everything else is justification to get the plebs to fall behind the war.It's not even about "money" like low-iq leftists and normies believe, although geopolitical dominance does facilitate access to money in the long run.
>>542779280Most countries align themselves with one sphere of influence or anotherRussia failed to bring Ukraine into its sphere of influence, resorted to brute force, and ultimately failed at that tooYou lost tranny
>>542779612>resorted to brute forceUkraine's democratically elected leader was friendly towards Russia and he was REMOVED through brute force.Very jewish of you to pretend the exact opposite happened.
>>542771115AfD voter or russian?
>>542779850non argument or non argument?
>>542779758Russia democratically killed Nemstov, then Navalny and now democratically forbid Yabloko party to run in elections upcoming elections. A true powerhouse of democracy!
>>542779758>was REMOVED through brute forcedid NATO/US invaded Ukraine and removed him?
>>542779931Yeah that's cool and all but did they remove UKRAINE's democratically elected leader? Or was it the west who did that?
>>542779996They had their greasy hands all over that pie.
>>542780034do you know that Yanukovich was actually extracted from Ukraine by russian special forces?
>>542780034Russians tried to kill Yushchenko
>>542779907Only brownoids support russia.
>>542780139Oh really? That's very interesting!Why did that happen, btw? Let me guess; for no reason at all?
fagits
>>542780172Well maybe if the west had only *tried* to overthrow Yanukovich they wouldn't be in this mess.
>>542780230Why Yanukovich had to run away if he was so loved in Ukraine?
>>542780278Yushchenko was a president before Yanukovich
>>542770938>Why did Russia actually invade Ukraine?To build Heavenly Israel and remove slavic population of Eastern Ukraine to give more breathing room for jews.Also to genocide their own population and replace them with uzbeks and tajiks in a similar fashion to European countries.
>>542780282Why wasn't he democratically removed if he was so democratically unpopular in Ukraine?
>>542780329>too stupid to recognise the key word in that replyI even highlighted it for you buddy
>>542780368No, you lost your "democratically elected" argument, because Russia tried to kill hohol president before Yanukovich was one.
>>542771521> e Russian oligarchy terrorized by the spectre of the average Russian realizing that he didn’t have to live in absolute misery under the heel of Kremlin billionaires (with an official income of $120,000 USD lmaoooooo).Russia for as “capitalist” and “fascist” as it is called, has a communist party ran by Zyuganov operating in the state Duma which has at times granted leverage against the elite and enacted reforms for the working class. Ukraine and certainly no European nation can claim this. Ukraine wants to be another European country where the rich get richer and all minerals and resources are exploited.
>>542780337because he ran away before that happened, the protests were about him backpedaling from his EU trade agreement
>>542780450Maybe if the west had only *tried* to overthrow Yanukovich they wouldn't be in this mess.
>>542780546Oh why did he run away?Let me guess; for no reason at all?
>>542780491We are 4 times as rich as your emancipated Belarusian folk. The real exploiters are russian and russian jewish oligarchs with their megayachts and football clubs
>>542780558backpedaling. first russia dindu nothing. then after proven wrong you say that because they failed to kill it doesn't count. Just another ignorant brown retard claiming bullshit on spot.
>>542780813Why would that make it okay for a country on the other side of the planet to overthrow Ukraine's democratically elected leader?
access to fresh water
>>542780595because he was a political corpse after he ordered fire at the protesting crowd
>>542781001Hmmmm are you sure that was it?I kinda feel like there was some other reason you're not telling me....
>>542780913Pointless flaming from your side. Russia tried to kill democratically elected president of Ukraine and they failed.
>>542781130and then on a completely unrelated note, the west managed to SUCCEED in overthrowing Ukraine's democratically elected president, and then the Ukraine war started - which just so happens to coincidentally be what this thread is about!
>>542780278>>542780329I get them confused too because of the name. One of them was a Pro-Europe rube that was poisoned and his face is mush and the other was the one removed by Victoria Nuland and Poroshenko and he lives in Russia now. That’s how I remember
>>542780230His pockets were too heavy with looted Ukrainian gold and art for him to escape by himself.
>>542770938>Why did Russia actually invade Ukraine?Ukris are somehow russkies and needed to be liberated from the tranies and a kike hitler Zelensky.not even kidding here.
>>542781437Yeah cool but why did he need to escape? For no reason at all?
>>542781235you are implying that European Union was going to invade if Yushenko had died? You are a mental case
