War with Russia is coming.Look at the trend. It's clearly evident by the military build up, Russia testing NATO defenses, and USA pulling out of Europe.The west should’ve let Russia in NATO to prevent this. But you decided to become their enemy for the lulz. Now you reap what you sow.
>>542828935>The west should’ve let Russia in NATO to prevent this. The entire point of NATO is to curb Russia's westward territorial expansion which their invasion of Ukraine proves is a goal they've never abandoned
>>542829026fpbp, russia is just evil, simple as
>>542829026>invasion of UkraineExcept Russia would never done it if they were in NATO. They tried to join it in the early 2000s but you snubbed them. Of course they’re going to view you as a threat. NATO’s ultimate goal is the destruction of the Russian state and people.Don’t you ever ask yourself why Russia expands in the first place?
>>542829235>Don’t you ever ask yourself why Russia expands in the first place?Because Putin wants to restore the territory the Soviet Union once held as satellite states. NATO wouldn't have to exist if that wasn't the case.
>>542828935>War with Russia is coming.I doubt it. NATO even without the US would crush Russia. We would be bombing moscow within 45m. The airforces of Europe far outnumber and outperform its Russian counterparts. The only real scenario is Russia doing something bad in the baltics and then opening all their nuclear icbm missile hatches in a plea for nobbody to intervene. Sincerely doubt Russia is planning for full scale war with Europe, they dont even have pre-war numbers stationed at the borders, they are building up to exceed pre-war figures sure but the actual troops arent there yet and even if they mobilized and got the numbers, a bigger posture would just reflect the new status quo not necessarily imminent war.
>>542829288>Because Putin wants to restore the territory the Soviet Union once held as satellite states. Then why didn’t he do it in the first 20 years of his presidency, dumbfuck? Real life isn’t a video game. If anything Putin, like Yeltsin before him, tried to appease the West.>NATO wouldn't have to exist if that wasn't the case.NATO existed before Putin was even born, retard
>>542829537Russia has always been eager to expand westward, is my point, and the only reason Russia didn't attempt it earlier is because it was too weak.
>>542829325Russia can just fire massive barrages of cheap missiles and Geran drones at your countries Iran style.
>>542829580Do you have any evidence to back that claim? (You don’t)
>>542828935They are barely managing to hold Ukraine LMAO
>>542828935eu's already at war with russia when they pushed Ukraine to invade Russia over a year ago
>>542829655They have been holding ukraine territory for almost 13 years now. They control area the size of Greece now.>but ukraine is winning in the internet!
>>542829235> In the 1990s and 2000s, Russia did not meet NATO’s core requirements for membership, which include a stable democracy, a functioning market economy, civilian control of the military, and respect for neighboring countries' sovereignty>respect for neighboring countries' sovereignty
>>542829655Russia is making massive gains in Ukraine right now. Kiev is under constant bombardment and Orikhiv is about to fall>b-but le Lyman direction!No video evidence.
>>542829753Which countries did Russia attack in the 1990s and 2000s, retard?
>>542828935Gulaghomo is weak and gay THOUGHBEIT
>>542829626Read a history book sometime
>>542829832Chechnya, Moldova, Georgia, and Tajikistan
>The west should’ve let Russia in NATO to prevent this.You would be at war with them then, at this very moment, or long past it but under their boot. They see NATO as an obstacle from their plans of taking the rest of Europe, not a problem of their own security, they have fucking nukes.
>>542829887>ChechnyaTerrorist insurgency>GeorgiaAttacked by Georgian armyYou have no evidence to corroborate your claims.
>>542829887Russia generally expands east not west. When it goes west it’s to secure buffers from French and German pushes east
>>542828935>Now you reap what you sow.Yeah. As Russians say: мы мoжeм пoвтopить
>>542829597You think junk missiles will defeat a full on air campaign that destroys all of Russian air defenses in the first hour? Ukraine shows what happens in a contained war with limited resources, its not a necessearily indicative of what an actual war will look like.
>>542829026Honestly Russia is evil for doing this to Ukraine(a good people).But the west is out of its mind if it thinks it can mobilize people to fight any more wars for them.No one wants to die for scamming corrupt Jew loving anti white gdp factory.
>>542829957>ChechnyaMuzzles dindu nuffin!>MoldovaCivil war>GeorgiaAttacked by Georgian troops>TajikistanCivil war
>>542830011>Russia generally expands east not west. When it goes west...Exactly>>542829970Keep telling yourself whatever revisionist history you've been trained to propagandize, FSB shill
>>542828935>nation with nuke would be attacked by natoXddddd delusional retards are you, sluts for brick brownoid propaganda
>>542830121Any argument, you stupid gypsy fucker?
>>542830040>full on air campaign that destroys all of Russian air defenses in the first hour?And how well did such an air campaign do in Iran? NATO doctrine is outdated>Ukraine shows what happens in a contained war with limited resources, its not a necessearily indicative of what an actual war will look like.People said the same thing about the Spanish civil war by the way.
>>542830118I accept your concession. You are now humiliated.
>>542828935If Russia joins NATO, what is the point of NATO? The whole reason it exists is to further Western goals against Russia.
>>542829325Nah, if europe or nato had all that superiority they would have invaded russia long ago, simple logic, but i guess europeans repeat this cope as self-psichological support
>>542830276>Russian shill thinks he's convincing anyone ITT that Russia isn't the bad guy hereThey're not sending their best today, huh?
>>542828935>War with Russia is coming. Good luck with that, bro. You'll need all the luck you can get. Everyone deindustrialised because of the atmospheric jew. If you think you stand a chance against Russia because "dey ebil", you have failed this particular IQ test and will get your reward shortly.
>>542830098>>Moldova>Civil warsome retards tried to start a civil warand when they started loosing russia sent "peacekeepers" to keep that conflict alive that would have ended 25 years ago if that didnt happened
>>542830241>IranIran is not Russia. I doubt you realise what the worlds most expensive weapon programs have developed. In iran too, America bombs with impunity. Russia is not built like Iran geographically nor is it reinforced in the same manner. When the air defenses go out in Russia, and the west can hit targets at will, Russia will crumble. If Russians had a mosaic doctrine and spent the last 30 years building deep underground command and control as well as storage, it would be a different story. Russia is a corrupt shithole with an oligarchy, target them and the rest will crumble. Its not a religious theocracy and not remotely comparable to Iran in that sense.
>>542830638>Muh Wunderwaffen will save us!lol. Okay
>>542831457Says the guy claiming gerans will save Russia
>>542829235If Baltics were not in NATO, russia would have invaded them first. Ukraine made the mistake of not joining NATO. If they had, they would have been safe from russian niggers invading.
>>542830089Holhols arent good.
>>542828935Russia doesn't have the strength to fight NATO. If that ever happens it's going to be a nuclear war.
Elites want to kill off 99% of humanity. They will be safe in their bunkers.
>>542829832Dumbass
>>542829806It's not you fucking retard. There is almost zero net gains over last 12 months. Bombing cities doesn't win wars.
>>542830159Dominicans come to my country and think they are white supremacists. It really is absurd, but this is who we are dealing with.
>>542832067There's definitely demand for a cull. At least third of humanity will be unemployed when they've done with automation and AI.But it's more controlled to do that with a disease or vaxx than war.
>>542830089>Ukraine(a good people).Yeah, nothing makes me think of moral goodness quite like russians but with a stupid peasant accent and more corruption, sexual slavery, and violeng ethnic hatred.
>>542829806Since they started publishing results from the Operation Vivaldi Ukraine has made gains even in other parts of the frontline.The only location where Russia is making noticeable fast progress is Orikhiv and Mala Tokmachka, but even there the grind is very slow, their advance is measured in weeks rather than days.There is video evidence from both Ukrainian and Russian sources, if you don't want to accept reality it's your problem.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUNXgAi9TLs
Euro leaders are cucked. Russia constantly do hybrid warfare on us, sabotaging our shit, cyber attack our public services and all we get is "w-we can't be 100% sure it's the guys constantly threatening us... Let's not do anything rash..."
>>542832481whats the alternative? No one wants any land russian ethnicity is on. If you want to fix russia, fulfill the prophecy of Fatima
>>542832146Nope. You’re wrong.>>542832435They haven’t published any “results” retard. There’s no way in hell Ukraine can hold any territory in Lyman area without being constantly pounded by drones. Also a fucking mapping video isn’t a source.
>>542832481Dude Russia is getting bombed daily by drones and missiles Ukraine has only because of us. If anything Russia is giga cucked by not doing shit to stop that.
>>542828935>War with Russia is coming
>>542833602>Lalala you wrong me right Russia is winning!!!Two more weeks
>>542833550>>542833663They were doing this shit before the invasion too. Always probing, always looking for weaknesses and always play the crying victim when called out. I lost patience with these animals and instead of playing nice and letting them rebuild after Ukraine whenever that will be, we should march into Moscow and hang the entire government from st basils cathedral. But knowing Russians, they'll just get another Putin 5 years later after promising to stop being a cunt. I think total balkanization of Russia is the only solution.
>>542833981i dont disagree with you anon, the amount of ruskie propaganda in the USA is staggering. Ruskies love propaganda and ransom ware, chinese are just IP theft and bribery. To be honest the USA should just unleash japan on the world again, not even joking
>>542833981LMAO gota love a fucking norwegian talking tough. You fucks haven't done shit for war, got steam rolled in ww2 and should have just stayed part of Sweden. Swedes dominated the Scandinavians are were way to kind letting you and the fucking danes go free.
>>542833716What the fuck are you even babbling about, you transgender faggot?
>>542829626You genuinely don't about the state you're simping for. The fall of the Soviet Union was catastrophic for Russia and their whole country was a mess in the 1990s and early 2000s. They lost the first Chechen war due to being so disorganized despite inheriting the entire arms stockpile of the USSR. Meanwhile the US was the sole world superpower and flexed this might against Iran and the European countries had yet not demilitarized in the the naive belief that the nature of Russians had changed>but why didn't Russia go to war against the worldDishonesty, self-deceit or actual retardationThe reason why Russia attacked in 2022 was because Biden was senile and weak, Europe had demilitarized and was reliant on Russian energy and because Ukraine looked even weaker. Do you seriously think they would have started the war if they knew they would be still fighting it 5 years later with their refineries being bombed every week?
>>542828935>USA pulling out of Europe.CIA director John Ratcliff visited Russia a couple of weeks back specifically to tell Russia to back off NATO. To emphasise their point America launched 5 Boeing E-6 Mercury "doomsday planes" during their meeting.
>>542834081Can you give us examples of this Russian propaganda in the USA?
>>542834301>flexed this might against IranSaddams Irak that is
>>542828935Nah, Google is building a bunch of AI data centres in Eastern Europe and Finland right now, ziggers wont do shit.
>>542828935>The west should’ve let Russia in NATO to prevent thisThe absolute state of the pidor shill on his Dominican VPN kek.. Imagine not even knowing what NATO is but screaming bloody murder about it every chance you get, pathetic.See you on the battlefield, Ivan.
>>542833981They tried this with Turkey once, they found out and zigger cucks didn't say a thing kek
>>542834204>Muh ww2Without norwegian saboteurs germany would have gotten nukes before you and made your continent a burning hell oceanAnd i see you're taking a page out of Comrad Trumpsky's book by claiming NATO members didn't help you in Afghanistan, Iraq and other recent wars YOU started. >b-but muh iranFool me once, shame on me, fool me twice shame on you, fool me thrice no actually go fuck yourself.Also, FSK > Navy Seals in literally every military competition.
>>542834301Fuck off nafo troon>Biden takes office>1 month later ukraine gives Zelensky conscription powers>1 month later Zelensky moves troops to.the border and takes photo ops of him there ready to fight to take back "his" land>Aug 2021 Biden pulled out of Afhanistan so he could divert military aid to ukraine>Feb 19th 2021 Ukraine starts shelling Donbas>Feb 24th Russia invades
>>542834531like anything anti* fossil fuel
>>542833602The mapper used videos from Ukrainians AND Russians as his source.But from the enciroclement you posted there's no evidence at all, even the most zealous pro-Russian mappers haven't managed to provide any evidence of its existence despite painting it on their maps. Don't be a sheep and believe things without proofs.
>>542834565Mask finally slipped huh
>>542834531So the entire green new deal of the democrats was a Russian operation.You are one retarded faggot shill
how is russia going to occupy territory? their military is dead
>>542828935You should've let the nigger inside your house to prevent him from killing you
>>542828935Nope.10 years ago the kikes could engineer ww3. Not anymore.>whyAll the young people in america hate israel.All an adversary would have to do to checkmate america is take out tel aviv.
>>542834598Scripted nafo troon response to facts Not an argument.
>>542834565>Let's start giving military aid to Ukraine only after Russia invades themThe only aid they got before the invasion was a few hundred atgms, everyone believed that they were going to fall in a few weeks when the war startedalso>Feb 19th 2021 Ukraine starts shelling DonbasUkraine had been fighting the Russia supplied separatists since 2014The dishonesty of ziggers is revolting. You don't value integrity like the western man since to you the ends justify the means
>>542834301What are you even babbling about loony troony? First Yeltsin then Putin tried to appease the west. Yeltsin even said “God bless America” during a state of the Union address. This was all done with the hopes that they would be accepted into the liberal community Long story short, it didn’t happen and they were snubbed by the west. Russia understood that NATO wasn’t a partner but an enemy set on the destruction of the state. These are factsDumb fucking retard you don’t know shit about Russian history.
>>542834673Poles are the niggers of Europe
>>542834589Follow your own advice, retardo. There is no evidence for Ukrainian gains in Lyman.
>>542834921The videos.
>>542834780I meant Russia invaded on Feb 24 2022.Yes we all know the war started in 2914 faggot, why are you pretending I said otherwise?You are just a lying faggot.Biden started sending arms as soon as he got into office, like how Trump armed them.Obama authorized leathal advanced weapons systems to ukraine in 2014 and gave them billions to buy whatever they wanted.
THIS WAR IS PUSHED BY NATO AND US, NOT RUSSIA. EUROPE NEEDS THEIR RESOURCES, IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT. EVERYTHING ELSE IS PROPAGANDA.
>>542829235>Don’t you ever ask yourself why Russia expands in the first place?Because Putin is an old 73 year old man that red too many history books and wants to emulate Tzars who expanded Russia thus immortalizing himself.
>>542834780These events cannot be viewed in isolation.The USA overthrew the legitimate Ukrainian government and installed an anti-Russian regime. They used it to attack Russia like they are doing now
>>542834921Rybar said disloging them is proving difficult. Pretty sure its another cauldron about to happen.
>>542828935Maybe not a good idea to attack someone stronger while they are struggling in ukraine.
>>542835030It is partly that, but still not the whole story.Russia attempted a rapprochement with the west back in the 90s and was snubbed. Now it is back with a vengeance.
>>542828935>War with Russia is coming.those ass raped pidors cant even win a war with ukraine, they would get steamrolled unless they would use nukes, wich would just be a suicide for them
>>542828935Russia can't even conquer fucking Ukraine expanding the front would be beyond moronic
>>542829026In 1997, Kennan warned that NATO expansion was 'the most fateful error' and would 'push the Russians toward war.' These warnings were ignored.
>>542835222>get rejected by nato>millions (of slavs) must dieAmazing vengeance. Why do you worship that retard? You must be even bigger retard yourself.
>>542835058>The USA overthrew the legitimate Ukrainian government and installed an anti-Russian regime.OR the Ukrainians were sick of their corrupt government and decided to coup it themselves?You know it's not that easy to coup a government if there is no internal reppulsion against it right?It's like if China overthrew Canadian or mexican government to undermine US.
>>542835485NATO expanded despite the verbal assurances of 1990 and Moscow’s protests.
>>542834792You asked what evidence there was for Russia not expanding earlier due to its weakness and I gave it to you. Since it doesn't fit with your narrative you're now desperately trying to change to subject to bitching about NATOAnd I agree that the US didn't want Russia to join NATO since that would have given Russia influence over Europe at their expense. It's simple realpolitik, it doesn't mean that the west was deadset on genociding the Russian people.>>542835058From our perspective Viktor Yanukovych was a Russian puppet. Though I don't deny that US glowies had a hand in driving Euromaidan>They used the post Yanukovych regime to attack RussiaRussia send in spec ops to Crimea and the Donbass to take over the areas and then armed seperatists. You claim that Ukraine trying to retake these areas and attacking the separatists is a direct attack against Russia.By the same logic Finland could attack Russian bases in Karelia with our spec ops, supply Karelian seperatists with our weapons and then we could cry foul when Russia tried to retake the territory (perhaps we should?). But it's different for Russia isn't it?>>542835019Ok. Let's go with your premise and pretend that Ukraine had received billions worth of weapons from the west before 2022. Was Ukraine a genuine threat to Russia in 2022 so that Russia had to invade them preemptively, so that they wouldn't have marched on Moscow a year later?
>>542835486ExactlyThe Poroshenko eiection was blatently stolen by Kiev not sending ballots to Donetsk (1 million population) .Porpshenko was so corrupt he will be executed if ukraine ever gets thier hands on him
>>542828935>The west should’ve let Russia in NATO to prevent thisLMAO wtf? All that would've done is to mess up NATO. Russia wants to reclaim territory they had influence over. Europe and USA passive-aggressively wants to preserve the post-Soviet breakup status quo without directly going to war for it. I'm personally empathetic to Europe's attempts to be a good trade partner to Russia so they'd behave but clearly it was a way too loose and soft plan. I really don't think Russia wants an all out war. They'd get mega buttfucked to hell. All they are doing is just taking as much shit by force from countries without a safety net. So Georgia is next after Ukraine is carved, Belarus is safely under their control but Kazakhstan while Russia has a similar foothold China might care to much for them to care. Yes, the Baltics might be an edge case where Putin might try do a bigger land grab from NATO but that's a big if. He might be posturing towards them mostly to strain NATO and take away support from other regions.
>>542829753The West supported Yeltsin as a 'pro-Western' leader, but did not integrate Russia into key security structures (NATO, the EU). At the same time, NATO expansion began in 1997–1999, still under Yeltsin. It was not about the leader's personality or commitment to democracy, but about geopolitical interests.
>>542835853>Was Ukraine a genuine threat to Russia in 2022 Ukraine started joint ops and training with the CIA and set up 10 glownigger listening posts on Russia's border, you stupid faggot, of course thats a threat.
>>542835485Why do NAFOids and butthurt belter troons all use strawmans? You’re like bugmen.You force Russia’s hand by instigating colour revolutions which are intended to destroy the Russian state.>>542835486>like if China overthrew Canadian or mexican government to undermine US.Exactly.Nuland, Graham, McCain and co all triggered the uprising to undermine and ultimately destroy the Russian state.
>>542834986What “videos” NIGGER? you are LOSING
>>542835668It's not Moscow's business what independent countries decide to do.
>>542832212>>542831955turn off the vpn
>>542836003>The world's second strongest military power with thousands of nukes has its existence threatened because there are listening posts near its borders that prevent it from surprise attacking its neighbors
>>542835853Here is ukraine bragging about working with the CIA against Russia since 2014.>https://www.kyivpost.com/post/28664>The New York Times published an investigative report on Sunday quoting anonymous sources from among the intelligence communities in the US, Europe and Ukraine who say that the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) has helped Ukraine to establish 12 secret spy bases throughout the country.>For almost 10 years the US has been helping Kyiv to train a “new generation of Ukrainian spies” who are operating globally against Russia.>The network of CIA bases in Ukraine began to be established eight years ago. The news site says they were assembled “piece by piece” under US presidents Barack Obama, Donald Trump and Joe Biden.>It was because of this newfound trust that the CIA began training an elite Ukrainian special forces unit known as Unit 2245, which captured Russian drones and communications equipment so that CIA technicians could reverse-engineer them and crack Moscow’s encryption systems. One of the officers in this unit was the current HUR chief Kyrylo Budanov.
This war could have been prevented if Ukraine would have become a neutral buffer state. This would have been a lot better for Russia, Ukraine and Europe (but not the USA).Alas, this ship has sailed and it is in the EU's interest that we win this war, so no good relations with Russia for decades.
>>542835668If he acted smartly he wouldn't have treated it like the end. Russia could have tried again when different presidents hold the office in Russia and America. But now it's truly impossible for a long time if there's unanimous vote about it.
>>542836057Imagine America's outrage if China created a formidable military alliance and tried to include Canada and Mexico in it.
>>542835942>Russia wants to reclaim territory they had influence over.No they don’t you fucking midwit retard. Do you even know what the unipolar moment was? It was meant to be the end of history. No more spheres of influence, wars of conquest, etc.If Russia was accepted into NATO they wouldn’t have any reason to establish buffer zones in Ukraine or the baltics.
>>542836212>the country that just had Russian spec ops invade its territory is cooperating with Russias adversariesSurely this was justification for Russia to nuke Ukraine even in 2014. They only didn't take the glowes off because the Russian people are moral and church going
>>542836341Why are you mocking the Russian people? They have their faults, but nonetheless they are much more conservative than the drag-queen loving Americans.
>>542836249War is inevitable. It has been ever since Finland joined NATO.Finland was supposed to be a neutral buffer state
>>542836004Then why dosen't China just do it?Because again it's not as easy as you seem to imagine it to be.
>>542828935Bump... are you sure?
>>542828935The US won't fight Russia because if they get nuked China has won forever
>>542836510Ukraine as a neutral buffer state was of course only an option before the war started.
>>542836423Because they lie habitually. In our culture we can admit doing wrong even when our own group does it. I can't find a single example of Russians acting with humility when it comes to their countryAny crime can be explained away with them being the innocent victim forced to use violence against their adversaries. As to Americans I don't care for them, they're almost as bad
>>542829537>Then why didn’t he do it in the first 20 years of his presidency, dumbfuck?Too weak and buckbroken from the collapse of Soviet Union
>>542836341But you just said it never happenedStupid nafo troon
>>542836255The West insists that sovereign countries have the right to choose their own alliances. However, when Russia showed interest in drawing closer to NATO in 2000–2002 (Putin asked Clinton; there were talks about formats of cooperation), no full-fledged invitation followed. Russia was not included in the list of potential candidates, while at the Prague summit (2002) seven countries were invited, including Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia. The West does not want to see Russia as an equal partner.Waiting for other U.S. or Russian presidents would have changed nothing. From 1991 to 2022, presidents changed in both countries, but NATO continued to expand and never once invited Russia. If anything, the red lines only moved closer.The alliance positions itself as defensive, but its operations outside its area of responsibility (Yugoslavia, Libya) undermine that definition.
>>542836212ukraine had already been attacked by "totally organic" separatists supplied with russian hardware and crimea had been annexed at this point though? of course they are going to work with the americans against someone who invaded a part of their country
>>542828935Nah they dont want the smoke. They're weary already. If the US decides to start it, that's why. 500k into ukraine meatgrinder so far, more than the US lost in ww2, and they are still in a stalemate getting droned and embarassed. I actually feel for them, there is no integrity in that war and I like orthodox russians though I despise rusnig youth culture cant say ours is better lol it's worse.
>>542836708As opposed to totally organic paramilitary forces organizing a coup and making the president flee?
>>542836616Yes and now it will end up being a Russian vassal instead.>>542836523I don’t believe in the invincibility of US power, but after their victory in 1991 they undoubtedly had the capabilities to carry it out. So keep coping, and say hi to the Russian tanks for me.
>>542836654I wrote verbatim>Though I don't deny that US glowies had a hand in driving EuromaidanSo you calling me a liar is zigger projection. What's the point in lying like this when you can get caught so obviously?
>>542836624You’re talking out of your ass, you stupid nigger.
>>542836804well one had tanks and buks and the other had Molotov coctkails, and regardless i don't think you could conceivably come up with a cope to say that russia did not invade crimea in 2014
>>542836874So you admit NATO’s sole intention is the destruction of the Russian state
>>542828935Vidrel is OP's village.
>>542829071> evilgrow the fuck up!
>>542835475>These warnings were ignoredNo they weren't you blind fool. Ukraine had to be depopulated for kikes to fully take over it, jewlensky is doing everything according to the plan. The rest of Europeans have to die in a war for the servile brown hordes to become the subservient class the judeo-elite needs and Russia is the perfect bear to poke for such a war.Peace was never a consideration, the only question left is how many will turn their guns against the tyrants vs how many will follow the orders.
>>542836917I like that you didn't deny it. The nature of russian people is so plain that even the most desperate ziggers can't deny itJust name a single example of the Russian state admitting fault or wrongdoing, a single example will do
>>542828935Good, I want to kill Russians
>>542829026> Russia's westward territorial expansionYou must be living in another universe.In ours NATO expanded eastward, not Russia westward.
>>542836973No. You losing one of your subjects to foreign influence isn't the same as you being targeted for destruction. NATO doesn't want dozens of nuclear armed warlords running Russia when a singular hostile state is much saferThat doesn't mean that we don't want to weaken Russia so that it can't chimp out against us even if it wanted to
And as always in the natofag threads, you never see a real country’s flag. You only ever see US vassals acting like they have a military
>>542836917He's right you know. The reason you are coping so hard is because you're a zigger using VPN. You are afraid of showing your own country. What does that tell about you? I've read all of your exchanges and all you do is move the goalposts after you got decimated. Get some integrity and grow a spine.
>>542836955>had Molotov coctkailsAnd an insane amount of military material, billions in foreign money, and more than half of the military... Arguing that they were some kind of ragtag force is ridiculous> i don't think you could conceivably come up with a cope to say that russia did not invade crimea in 2014Why would I? Not only Russia was right in doing so but they should have invade all of Ukraine.>inb4 but we have the right to coup goverments and put Open Society alumni thereI kinda disagree
>>542829753is usa in nato
>>542837240This is a strange cope when Trump is doing everything to distance himself from NATO . Perhaps you should open up another front since you feel so confident?
TAP never join ZOG
>>542832481it is actually israel doing it trying to blame russia
>>542836212Ukraine lived for a quarter of a century without NATO's "protection," and it would have continued to live on if not for the Maidan. But the West needed a staging ground against Russia. And they got it. True, at the cost of destroying Ukraine.
>>542837296my point is that they are not to blame for wanting american support i.e CIA support after their country was attacked by a foreign power who is composed of people like this who hate them>>542832212>>542831955
>>542837472If it was kikes then our leaders would already have burned Moscow to the ground.Stop defending these subhumans, fifth columnist
>>54283670899% of the fighting in the first 6 months of the war in 2014 were local separatists, faggot shill. So what if Russia supported them,? Obama was arming his puppets Kiev.>its ok when we do itKike logic
>>542837296>And an insane amount of military materialSuch as
>>542837573Your probably arguing with a run away hohol only some boomers and teenage girls see Russia as an enemy
>>542837591Litterly all the shells we had in our armory for starters all our AA we are empty
>>542829026Ukraine as a state was invented by Russia
>>542836955The impeachment procedure was not carried out, and therefore the removal was unconstitutional. The impeachment scheme involves a two-stage process:The House of Representatives formulates and brings charges (by a simple majority vote).The Senate considers the charges and decides in the capacity of a court. A two-thirds vote of the senators is required for removal from office.
>>542836698Yes it's not a defensive alliance, it's never fought a defensive war. And there's not a thing like collective West which only has one opinion, it's tiresome to hear stuff like "The West does not want to see Russia as an equal partner". Countries could change opinion about each other all the time, just look at Poland and Hungary.But I still think Russia would have had all the time in world to wait for more favorable political situation if it wanted to be in NATO. But Putin probably had bigger plans.
>>542837573>So what if Russia supported them,?it means you are a retarded mutt if you start screaming about about cia listening posts when they were already doing something equally as hostile to the country the listening posts were in
>>542836289And had America chimped out at Canada or Mexico or both they'd have no support either.It's just that US is a rich and sucesful trading partner to both which keeps them on their side.Russia on the other hand has nothing to offer to her neighbours.
>>542837958>it never happened>well it happened but everyone has CIA spy bases
>>542837728The post was about 2014, what significant military supplies did Ukraine get from NATO in 2014 or before
>>542828935nobody's going lmao bottom text
US would have never allowed Russia to join with the EU, a Eurasian power arising in the 1980s/1990s was the US biggest fear, and America successfully convinced European leaders to be disingenuous spiteful atlanticist little bootlickers and backstab Russia's overtures at every opportunity.You also have the fact that countries like the US, Canada, Australia and UK have foreign policy/state departments filled to the brim with seething Ukrainian banderites and Poles like Nuland, Brzezinski, Albright, Freeland etc who have open intergenerational grudges against Russia.
>>542838043Are you fucking retarded? NATO build up the hohol army since 2014 till today
>>542838025Show me the proof the CIA armed people in Kiev in 2014
>>542837536They're to blame for wanting CIA support in order to overthrow their goverment and import the same shit that has destroyed Spain in 4 decades>>542837591Yeah, they went to the East and fought the Russian army with molotovs...The had enough to fit multiple paramilitary groups in the tens of thousands of men
>>542828935>let the country that the alliance was formed to protect against into the alliance>hundreds of years of expansionist aggression history, that just CAN'T leave their neighbors alone#1, that's just stupid, the alliance was formed to protect against Russia#2. Even if they did, they'd still invade their neighbors, Russia is that huge of a country because they historically have a compulsion to want to grab more clay, they'd STILL invade because they want to conquer more land.
>>542837940So what's the dispute about?
>>542837055>>542837266Russia is defending its people from the West.>>542837194Like it or not Western elites have a Cold War era vendetta against the Russian state. They want to destroy it and take its nuclear weapons.
>>542836212Banderalobby has done a great job over the years documenting everything about the operations of Ukrainian intelligence/CIA and their front orgs throughout the West.https://banderalobby.substack.com/
>>542830089I wouldn't call Ukraine a "good people" necessarily but they're still people who have the right to have a homeland, and not just get bullied and conquered by an aggressive neighbor.
>>542838177>>542838196What military supplies did Ukraine get from NATO before 2014?
>>542838025i never at any point denied them, im saying that russia had already invaded a part of their country and armed separatists so blaming them for provoking russia by letting CIA glowniggers in is pants on head retarded
>>542838206You have the geo political knowledge of a teeanager not worth explaining anything to the likes of you
>>542838083Correct. But it’s mostly the US, UK and Australia are unfortunate vassal states.This is also why the US provoked operation Barbarossa. They wanted to destroy the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact before entering the war.
>>542838299Does it matter if it was directly the CIA who armed them? Stop misdirecting the question. They were armed by literal jewish billionaires who were pro West and collaborated with the CIA
>>542828935Gayto, Ackmerica and Yerope won't do shit except keep robbing their own shitizens
>>542828935Fuck off. If I am to die, it wont be for you.
>>542838299https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/republicans-democrats-pushing-obama-provide-lethal-aid-ukraine
>>542828935.War with Russia is comingTake your fucking meds now
>>542838299Immediately after the 2014 coup is when NATO weapons arrived. Plus Nuland and who knows what they got from USAID glowniggers
>>542838370>Does it matter if it was directly the CIA who armed them?Yes, what military supplies did Ukraine get from NATO before 2014
>>542838370Where is the proof of your claim?
>>542838439>>542838421
>>542838022>Russia on the other hand has nothing to offer to her neighbours.lol
>>542838256lmao it reverted to factory settings :D
>>542838333tell that to Chechnya, Georgia, and now Ukrainetell that to all the former SSR's that Russia conquered under Stalintell that to all the People Peter the Great conquered.nice proxy, it has the right colors in horizontal stripes, just in a different order
>>542828935>and USA pulling out of Europe.The point of the past 5 years has been to destroy Europe.>NATO/EU pokes the bear>Jews GTFO from Israel and go to argentina>SHTF and a bunch of europeans starve or are killed in the war of 2030>Suddenly for some reason 100 million niggers and africans storm into Europe over the next decade
>>542838421>>542838438>2015And before 2014?
>>542838476This is what I mean your an fucking idiot ingnored
>>542837940Separate “West” from “Western Civilisation”When we talk about the west, we are talking about the vassalised states of Europe, and the hegemon USA.All foreign policy decisions of the European countries are taken in Washington. And all of these decisions are detrimental to the wellbeing of European citizens.
>>542838421where did you learn to read?
>>542838421It was all senamantics to pretend nato dindu nuffin.Obama didnt "give" ukraine weapons from NATO stockpiles but he authorized sales from NATO defense contractors then gave them cash (Biden with the billion dollar "fire this prosecutor or else" check).
>>542838475I fucking destroyed you.
>>542838465>2015
>>542838022America is on a different continent. Why are you telling us what to do and what not to do?
>>542830089>Honestly Russia is evil for doing this to Ukraine(a good people).Lol they're borderline gypsy tier in literally scams and crime. They literally run scams like chargeback schemes from their embassies. (know this as fact from experience of working for place that this happened too).Lithuanians used to be seen as criminals and Ukrainians were always seen as far, far worse.
>>542828935Yeah we know. Just tap the sign, the sign warned us about all of this.
>>542838554>Did NATO arm Ukraine Yes they did>But what about before 2014 when NATO did the coupeWhat the hell does that matter when NATO armed them in 2014 are you stupid or something
>>542828935Europe? What Europe? You probably mean EUSSR. They have no fuel, no navy for imports of needed raw materials, and an uneager population who doesnt want to die and leave their women behind with islamists. Russia isnt good and virtuous ofc, but EUSSR has no other natural enemy, so be it.
>>542838555okay whatever you say Ivan the Terrible
>>542838589>PushAnd it happend suprise
>>542838554Why the fuck would they need arms in 2013? Whats your point faggot?
>>542829026> The entire point of NATO is to curb Russia's westward territorial expansionNATO has only expanded eastward since its establishment you fucking retard
>>542838500It has nothing to do with Jewry. It is America’s attempt to solidify control over the European continent. Russia is its greatest challenger
I thought they sent the pidorsberg trolls to the front already. Is it all bots now?
>>542838666Checked satan and have a tap>>542837435
>>542828935The biggest problem in average Westerner's lives isn't Russia. It is taxes being too high, prices going up from inflation and decrease of living standards caused by mass-immigration.Also Russians can be part of Western ruling classes just as much as Windsors or Habsburgs can.
>>542838642Moral conclusion: if you bear evil socialist leadership then you have to lose in an external war to get rid of it.
>>542838666>t. Ethnic European hating globohomo jew Nobody can stand you pieces of shit
>>542837189>vatnik sees no difference between expansion from wars of aggression and sovereign nations willingly entering an allianceslave mentality
>>542838750Based sign tapper. Tap the sign early and often. Fuck globohomo White man hating jews
>>542838709Bullshit. Trump tried to slow the flow of missiies to ukraine and 4 ukrainian kikes working for the US government testified against him at his impeachment trial in the Senate.Just a coincidence am sure
>>542838830It makes the glowies seeth like nothing else this board has produced keep on a tapping
>>542838668what are you even trying to convey?
>>542828935Putin doesn’t give a shit and his only goal was to kill RussiansSo he absolutely would kill off more Russian just so none one would try to kill him
>>542838821> sovereign nations willinglyIs that what you called it when the globohomo jews coup’d the legitimately elected Ukrainian government in 2014 to jump start this war of ethnic European sacrifice, kike?
>>542837008it's a finn
>>542838568>"White" is anti-sovereignty termWrong. The only type of club you cannot have a university is a White students club. You can have a Swedish club, an Irish club, Croatian club, or even a hated German club. Also an Asian club. But not a White club. It will not be allowed and if it is allowed somehow it will be lampooned in the student papers and its meeting brigaded by trolls. The reason that "Europe" (a piece of dirt) became anything at all is because it hosted White people. Anyone can land on Europe and be a "European" but the White man is White, wherever he travels.
>>542828935I will kill every drafter
>>542838903>They push to do weapon sales to hoholstan >It happendTry to keep up discount Sweden
>>542828935>Russia dindu nuffinsWhy do Russia supporters always treat Russia like a literal nigger that's incapable of owning up to their own actions?>>542838917>its a coup because the puppet ran away
>>542838843>muh TrumpKill yourself you fucking retard. You seriously believe all this theatre? USA is controlled by intelligence agencies and Trump is merely a puppet.You Americans have always been the enemies of European civilization.
>>542838843Yes I’m sure Victoria Nuland and Alexander Vindamn being ethnic Ukrainian jews had nothing to do with what they did in Ukraine or to the Trump administration
>>542838699NATO isn't an Empire it's an alliance. Sovereign countries join it, and maintain their sovereignty.Russia conquers land.... it's no longer sovereign, it's now Russian, and they start taking away children to be reeducated as Russians Russia's actually trying to genocide Ukrainians as an ethnic group, language, and culture.>dehumanize an ethnicity (depict them as pigs and call them Nazis to make it easier morally to kill them)>claim their nation isn't real and was a fabrication so they have no legitimate sovereignty anyway>invade their land>take their children to be adopted into Russian families>import your citizens into conquered territory to colonize it>bind civilians and shoot them in the woods and leave mass gravesAll this is genocidal behavior.
>>542828935If you look at this picture from a certain angle, not up close, putin looks like Londo Molari
>>542838956>literal nigger that's incapable of owning up to their own actions?That’s the US dumbass
>>542838784I'm ethnically European.though you might not call me "white" because I'm a Mick.
>>542838206Whose job is it to defend and maintain Russia’s borders? Will Ukraine take on the role of protecting Russia’s borders? Or is that again mainly Russia’s task?
>>542838949i should have cropped out the date to make it easier to understand for you
>>542838956The entire world knows it was a coup. Globohomo glowniggers were hand picking who would run various offices in Ukraine. The American ambassador was on TV handing out cookies to the rioters who were overthrowing the government on behalf of Globohomo You fucks are so sick it’s unreal. Tusk himself confirmed in the Polish parliament that 1.5 million- 2 million ethnic European Ukrainian men have died. There’s a special place in hell for you
>>542828935Yea it will., DO NOT let America get involved or its going to turn into a forever war about what resources America should extract from the other side of the world.
>>542838989> NATO isn't an Empire it's an allianceIt’s the occupation army of you the mutts since 45 in Western Europe nothing voluntary about it
>>542838989>it isn’t an empire it’s an alliance that does empire shit That’s what the globohomo jew empire is. You’re just engaging in pilpul bullshit jew
>>542839071Yes NATO armed Ukraine whats your point?
>>542838439>>542838443Are you really dennying the militia movements operating since the 90s and their funding by jewish pro Western olygarchs?Do you think that tens of thousands of trained paramilitary men from different forces surged from spores and just decided to support a coup to put literally Open Foundation alumni on power
>>542839070buddy the reason why you have an alliance against you is because you can't stay in your borders, you aggressively conquer your neighbors and have done so for hundreds of years.Nobody from the west wants to invade you. Napoleon and Hitler both showed us all how utterly stupid that is to attempt. That is why CONTAINMENT has been the way of dealing with you rather than trying to invade and destroy you.We just want you to stay in your borders and stop invading neighbors.
>>542839173yes but he asked for before 2014 and you provided him with an article dated 2015
>>542839047> though you might not call me "white" because I'm a Mick.>t. White man hating globohomo jew
>>542839237Micks aren't jews retard, Micks are IrishMy ethnicity is Irish.
>>542828935Merz yesterday: >“All eyes are on Germany, on Berlin, on our role in the world. Expectations are placed on us to contribute to keeping this European continent stable.”he believes things are stable anon. does it suggest the rest of his other big talk is reality based?
>>542839030>turd worlder never missing a chance to seethe about the USchecks out
>>542839195>>542839173I just want to see what NATO supplied to Ukraine before 2014 Maidan thing
>>542839195Open Society Foundation*
>>542839225>NATO didn’t arm the Ukrainian government until after they had coup’d it in 2014>Even Angela Merkel admitted publicly the Minsk accords were only about buying time for Ukraine to be armed so they could attack Russia
>>542839321cool it with the russophobia
>>542839321Yes you start arming the proxy after you did the coupe now your getting it
>>542839321Again. Why does it matter if literally NATO supplied the guns or jewish olygarchs working with NATO bought guns for them?Do you know that plausible denniability is just clownery for internal matters?Reality doesn't work like common law where if you find a loophole the other part can't do shit about it
>>542839225>>542839421
>>542829325>he still thinks conventional air power is a thingThere's a reason we stopped flying over Iran and it's not because we're smart and humanitarian.Threadly reminder this goes back to the US Obama backed coup in Ukraine where Victoria Nuland bragged about hand picking their President and saying Europeans had no say.Yet now you line up to die like the golems you are. The jews are right goyims aren't like cattle. You are BELOW cattle.Ever met a cow? They're way more sentient then a normgroid or Allah forbid a E*ropid.
>>542839173also which one is it>Ukrainians are a terrible people who deserve to die>the globohomo west orchestrated the invasion to genocide Ukrainians
>>542829071>the land of Soltzenizen, Dostoyevsky, and Tolstoy is evil
>>542839575Nice red harring you got there
>>542839521
>>542839617Yeah but think of all the wonderful Finnish contributions to the world!>In 1906, Finland became the first country in Europe to grant women both the right to vote and run for parliamentary office.>Finnish developer Rovio Entertainment created the cultural phenomenon Angry BirdsThey're just as valid if not more so then evil Russia!
>>542835022Truth nuke. Entire Hruckraine story is a apperitive to weaken Russia before big war.
>>542838989>NATO isn't an Empire it's an alliance.The bombing of Yugoslavia in 1999 without UN sanction, the invasion of Libya in 2011, regime change. This undermines the definition of a "defensive alliance" and reinforces the perception of NATO as a tool of American global empire.NATO is the armed wing of the US-led global empire, and it regards Russia as its enemy, so it is not surprising that Russia perceives its expansion to the east as a threat.
Putin is literally the only charismatic white male in all of western civilization
>>542834081There is tons of Chinese propaganda targeted at the young mostly.
>>542839997gee I wonder why Georgia and Ukraine are asking for NATO membership and Finland and Sweden ended up joining.Your invasion just proved that the alliance still needs to exist, when prior people were debating whether there was a point anymore and was maybe obsolete.
>>542834598Never tell them what they did wrong. Just call them out.
>>542834684I bought my wife from Russia.
>>542840012lol very charismatic, yes
>>542838983Yes those two were both ukrainian jewsPLUS>European Union Ambassador Gordon Sondland>Kurt Volker special envoy to Ukraine(Cant prove he is jewish no sources but:Volker praised Chabad’s work in Ukraine over the last 30 years, and in particular the great humanitarian assistance Chabad has been offering, together with the Jewish Relief Network Ukraine (JRNU) organization led by Shlomo Peles, to Jews and non-Jews in Ukraine during this harsh war.)>Marie Yovanovitch U.S. ambassador to Ukraine.>Charles Kupperman Former deputy national security adviserWhat are the odds? All jews whos' families came from ukraine tried to impeach Trump
>>542840251Let's take the OP image. Putin looks badass with that NATO star. Who else could go there?Is there even a single western european leader who has any kind of charisma....?
>>542840136Ukraine declared itself a neutral state back in 1990. A year before gaining independence, on July 16, 1990, the Verkhovna Rada of the Ukrainian SSR adopted the Declaration of State Sovereignty. In that document, Ukraine solemnly proclaimed its intention to become a permanently neutral state in the future, one that does not participate in military blocs.
>>542839725>>542839421the entire argument was about what equipment the euromaidan protestors were supplied with, if it was after 2014 the year the supposed "cia backed coup" happened then it would be irrelevant because then it would be supporting the new goverment who just had part of their territory seized and not arming an overthrow of the old one
>>542839997>The bombing of Yugoslavia in 1999 without UN sanctionThis was based so it gets a pass>The invasion of Libya in 2011,This had UN sanction with nobody voting against it
>>542828935The US can't even beat Iran
>>542840408> the entire argument was about what equipment the euromaidan protestors were supplied withOuting yourself you don’t know what actually happend at maidan they took the weapon cashes from surrounding guberment armories. You have a very big opinion not much actual knowledge
>>542840399All pawns in a chess game…
>>542840419It was unfounded. The wording "all necessary measures" allowed the resolution to be interpreted expansively. NATO struck targets that did not pose an immediate threat to civilians, which prompted accusations of exceeding its mandate from Russia and other countries. This led to a conceptual problem: the mandate to protect civilians was used for regime change.A sanction (mandate) is authorization to use force before it begins. Approval (Resolution 1244) is political legitimization after the fact. Presenting them as equivalent is a logical error.Which country could have vetoed it? The answer is obvious: Russia. In the case of Yugoslavia, NATO deliberately did not put the matter to a vote, knowing that Russia would veto it. Contrary to the widespread belief that NATO always acted under a UN mandate, in the case of Yugoslavia NATO not only acted without UN Security Council sanction, but also deliberately refused to attempt to obtain it.
All these people acting like this scripted war has any purpose other than to kill men of European, Slavic and Russian descent. No one will seriously try to win for years. Watch, future historians will wonder at the incompetence of early war commanders. The competent generals will magically materialize after enough men have been killed to satisfy the bankers and tycoons
>>542840419Why you lie faggot?The UN resolution was to establish peacekeepers and a no-fly zone.NATO immediately started dropping 30,000 bombs
>>542840583Try to rob weapons from the goverment and you'll understand why that didn't happen
>>542840400then you invaded Chechnya and GeorgiaSweden and Finland wanted to be neutral toothen you invaded UkraineMinds change when you give them a good reason to.
>>542840745Negro I was following it live in 2014 enough videos of them sacking the armories this is not an opinion.
>>542840583even if that happened like you say it, can you fathom how that is different than them being supplied, from outside of the country by foreign interests
>>542840670What does all necessary measures mean to you? Did you think that meant kindly asking them to stop over and over?
>>542840745> Try to rob weapons from the govermentAnd this Happens all the time much more then a civilian would think
>>542840786At the moment, this is not a threat, because your resources are simply very limited, and you literally have no means to start a conflict there. You cannot pacify Iran. That does not mean everything will remain as it is. When the conflicts between Iran and Ukraine are resolved, the next step will be escalation in these regions. As soon as the US has free resources, it will try to transfer its forces there. Which will inevitably lead to a corresponding force buildup. They are not safe. It's just that you are currently unable to do it. However, they are being propagandized, they are being told to be ready for war, and so on. This means there are plans to use this population in the same way, as soon as you can supply new Ukrainians with the necessary materials. In the end, you are not protecting them.
>>542839289You’re not Irish or White, but a White man hating globohomo jew
>>542839217Amusing how you never forget to add "Neighbors" to you propaganda take, because if you would omit it it would be quite hypocritical for yourself, being isolated by seas from targets of your invasions is definitely convenient.>you aggressively conquer your neighborsCan you list of these aggressive conquests, pidor?
>>542828935this nigga makes russia sound like a competent monster lmao, the soviets want their reputation back
>>542840824It is an opinion that they just happened to sack the armories. A pretty delusional one.Let's get real. The military was either bribed or an active part in the coup.In no fucking country can a group of civilians just rob a goverment armory. If you don't believe me try to do it and prove me wrong
There's no money for thatRussia will keep poking and fearmongering because that's cheap
>>542839521Based, redpilled and truthpilled anon
>>542840900Sure. All the days. When I'm bored I just go for a CETME
>>542840848>Be outside country>Start the maiden coupe>Direct certain hired elements (veterans of the Serbia civil war btw some of their leaders got an fucking island from George soros as a reward)to the armories>Shoot at the protesters>Have media outrage of how the guberment is shooting at the unarmed crowd>Have a full coupe a couple of day laterAnd thats how it went
>>542840879“All necessary measures” means force to protect civilians, not a blank cheque for regime change. In Libya, NATO exceeded that mandate. In Yugoslavia, there was no UNSC mandate at all.
>>542841010Yeah no shit it was orchestrated like I said the sacking of the armories is not my opinion it happend
>>542829537>Then why didn’t he do it in the first 20 years of his presidency, dumbfuck?The price of was just going higher and higher. They needed to create a huge warchest to prepare for invading Ukraine. So yeah it took a lot of time until they decided they had enough funds for a quick 3 day operation.
>>542841161*The price of oil
>>542829597thirdies are the most retarded people known to mankind
>>542828935>But you decided to become their enemy for the lulzrussia decided it wanted to become our enemy. stop phrasing it like you’re the victim here
>>542841161Dumb take, best, the golden opportunity, moment to end the Hruckraine was in 2014, if it didnt means means Putin never wanted it. The rest is propaganda.
>>542841124I didn't get your angle
>>542840400That's what Ukraine was trying to do be the neutral party the bridge between east and west they would have been rich AFThen the jews jewed them
>>542841161This is the most ridiculous shit I’ve read in a while
>>542840745>I'm a pussy and a cowardThis is your only option since you dont have a 2nd Amendment
>>542841328Correct. The globohomo jews coup’d the legitimately elected government of Ukraine and installed that pro-globohomo shitThey changed the constitution and started attacking ethnic Russians in the east immediately
>>542841292Or maybe he was afraid of MerkelAfter all, Putin is a smol bean he is easy to bully
>>542841414You’re not contributing anything to the thread except being a faggot anon
>>542839140Western front opened ONLY AFTER Stalin had won decisevely in Kursk. And it was opened for the nazi legacy to be saved. Then they took office in USA and europe and continue their globohomo plans.
>>542841082i'll concede that it could have happened like that if you address >>542839575 instead of just deflecting by calling it a red herring
this flag guarantees the post will be the dumbest shit posted online
>>542840929the US is not going to invade Russia. as I stated earlier, Napoleon and Hitler showed why that's a really bad idea to attempt. It's pointless. You guys have a land hardened against invasion, just like everyone says about Iran, the terrain itself is your worst enemy.NATO is all about containment. That's what our doctrine has been against Russia since the 2nd world war. Containment, not conquest. The best time to invade Russia would have been immediately after WW2 when we were the only country with the Atomic bomb, in fact some of our generals (Patton being the main one) thought we should have pushed Russia back to their pre-war borders immediately following the end of WW2, he was outnumbered and overruled, The operation was called "Operation Unthinkable" because it was a fucking pipe dream and everyone knew it wouldn't work.So between 1945 and 1949.. they solidified a doctrine of containment instead and then NATO was formed.>>542840951I'm a White man born and raised in Montana. There's a large Irish American population around where I grew up because of the copper mines.I don't hate Whites, I hate Russians, and I hate commies.
>>542841553Cool now gtfo Europe you anti european pieces of shit
>>542840966we have operations overseas, but we don't conquer, we might overthrow a government, but then we let the people hold their own elections and vote in their own governments, which is why all our wars get called "losses" because we don't just conquer Iraq and rule it as American territory.We let them hold elections and vote in their own government and then run their own country.
>>542841477Rest is propaganda as I said. If Putin did nothing in 2014 means he never had any such plans, as simple as that. Period. His propagands machine even smeared those who wanted this to happen.Putin's Russia never had any initiative in escalation with globohomo, never, only reactionary actions to enemy strategy and movement.
>>542841515>They are animals that deserve to die> >the globohomo west orchestrated the invasion to genocide UkrainiansIt’s the definition of a red herring with a side of straw man
>>542841553>the US is not going to invade Russia.Russia is already de facto at war with NATO on Ukrainian territory. Western arms supplies, intelligence, and instructors are precisely NATO’s involvement. But if we officially declare war, it will give the West a pretext for full-scale mobilization and, possibly, the direct deployment of troops.
>>542839369Not even close what she said or what happened.
>>542841699At the NATO summit in Bucharest in 2008, Putin said Ukraine is an artificial state and this will need a solution.>‘The Russians gave away thousands of square kilometres of territory, voluntarily. This is unheard of! Ukraine, which had been part of Russia for centuries, was given away. Kazakhstan was given away. The Caucasus too,’ Putin told Bush.>When Bush asked ‘why?’, Putin replied that, in his opinion, Ukraine was ‘an artificial state created during the Soviet era’ and repeated his arguments about ‘assembled’ territories >At the same time, he claimed that 70% of Ukrainians were against joining NATO — data that did not correspond to opinion polls at the time. Interestingly, in the same conversation, Putin noted:>‘We are against Ukraine joining NATO, but let’s wait until the majority of the population is “for” it, and then let them join.’Basically it was clear Putin had intentions to control Ukraine since 2008 already.
>>542841871they wouldn't cross into the Russian homeland, because that'd just be stupid, again, Hitler and Napoleon showed that invading the Russian homeland is a fool's errand. Even at our military peak, even with all of Europe at military peak, we couldn't successfully invade and hold Russia, Just drop that strawman. It's not our goal.
>>542828935It's kinda funny to think that russia spent billions of dollars on foreign propaganda and the result is this dumbass dominican whose value comes from online shilling, not really worth anything in the real worldthis, in contrast with the colombian and brazilian mercenaries fighting in ukraine, is the stark difference between the worldview of west vs east, one cares about results while the other is only focused on some superficial bs that looks nice but doesn't push his agenda
>>542841691Who controls venezuelan oil? Iraqi oil? In Iran you wanted to seize their oil too. In Granada, Panama, Nicaragua, Dominican Republic, Haiti you invaded them just because their chose different course of actions. Same with Cuba, but soviets were here to deny you it. Invasions are still invasions. You conquer their income base, basically seizing control over their future actions, because economical control is as good as direct. Your entire south is occupied mexican territory.Still waiting for list of conquests, pidor.
>>542841802nigger there are litteraly multiple posts in this thread of those things>>542830089 (all the reppies to this)>>542839107>>542837048you concerntroll about how ukranians are being genocided by this war and then turn around and gloat about how much you hate "hohols" and that you are glad they are being killed all the time on this board
>>542842009Citation source(american) you use clearly says what in Putin's opinion on the matter is what 2008 status quo he described is fine with him unless Ukraine is joining NATO. And you know it.
>>542842108we took Maduro, but who runs Venezuela. Venezuelans.who runs Iraq? Iraqis. They elect their own representatives and they're not always our friends.
>>542842015The ‘senselessness’ of an invasion does not mean ‘impossibility’: Hitler also considered the invasion of the USSR rational, and that did not prevent catastrophe. If the West is already waging a proxy war, then it is prepared to bear the costs. If it is prepared to bear the costs of a proxy war, why should the ‘stupidity’ of an invasion stop it?
>>542842108and the conquests I just listed earlier, Chechnya, Georgia, and Ukraine, we can add Moldovathen if you go back to Soviet times.. oh boy. Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova, .... but then also Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, Belarus, the Kuril Islands of Japan, Outer Manchuria of China, Eastern Poland, Kaliningrad (taken from Germany), Karelia in Finland... from the 1500's onwards you guys conquered on average, a country the size of Belgium and annexed it for 400 years straight.
>>542835486>OR the Ukrainians were sick of their corrupt government and decided to coup it themselves?What are the results? Ukraine lived on debt, inflating its state debt and constantly begging for another IMF tranche. By 2022, the country’s national debt exceeded 100% of GDP. What growth can there be without kilometer-long credit channels?
>>542842593because the proxy war is triggered by your aggressive invasion, we don't want to see Ukraine conquered, so.. we're aiding it, hoping that it can maintain as much of its territory as possible though it's unlikely Ukraine will push you completely out.but were we not aiding? You'd genocide the Ukrainians.The only Ukrainians left would be diaspora in other nations and after a generation or two they'd be mutted out and would stop existing as a distinct ethnicity.
>>542842890The Ukrainian Reich unleashed the conflict. It was the Maidan clique that led to the ATO. They brought to power faggots whom the USA and Little Britain ordered to incite hatred against Russians. These faggots, with their first law, adopted the abolition of the special status of the Russian language (essentially a state status) in the eastern regions of Ukraine.
>>542842768Ukrainians ran the USSR too, retard faggot. The KGB was full of them (like Victor Bout).
>>542839942This but unironically. Also don't forget the Moomins and Nokia!
>>542829026So when are GAYTO chickenshits going to help the ukraine? Are they really just going to dance like a bunch of fucking faggots while the ukraine sends women to the front line?Pathetic cowards the lot of them!
>>542843009Ukraine had a popular uprising and change of government, they did not attack Russia. What they did was inside their own borders.You invaded and annexed Crimea, then deployed Spetznaz in Eastern Ukraine.That's Russia, doing things NOT in it's own borders, but in someone else's borders.
>>542843322The Maidan was a coup d’état backed by the West. Even Western analysts acknowledged this, including George Friedman of Stratfor. Yanukovych’s agreement with the opposition of 21 February 2014 was guaranteed by France, Germany, and Poland — and the next day the opposition tore it up. Ukraine sabotaged the Minsk agreements for eight years, and the West turned a blind eye. So don’t tell me that ‘they are free.’ They were free to create bloody chaos, and Russia was free to respond to it.
