any experts can tell me who is winning? shills are telling me russia has more ammo and men and are winning, is this true?
It's pretty much a draw. Russia's gains this year were pretty laughable, and winter is about to end the land war for the year
>>542831046jews are winning from white men getting killed from both sides
>>542831046>who is winning?The rest of the world
>>542831206Draw when one side is invading is preety much winning for defenders
>>542831216>white>Slavs
>>542831046doenst need to be an expert when after 4 years of delivering an infinite amount of wunderwaffe to jewkraine jewkraine still hasnt woni remember headlines from 2022 where they already claimed back then russia using pre ww2 tanks, is already out of ammo, using cheapest stuff available and cant do shit- yet jewkraine hasnt won after all the time with all the support.meanwhile private companies in the west delivering said wunderwaffen being at all time high doing insane profits, just check stock marked and figure on your own who's winning
>>542831046Depends on what you mean by winning. Every day this goes on is absolutely humiliating to Russia - nobody can say it is a great power anymore without bursting into laughter over how badly it's fucked itself up in Hoholistan. All it can do now is save face by taking miniscule, irrelevant bits of dirt at huge cost in terms of men and materiel. With that said, it's not like the hohols are pushing them out either.If you were to force me to pick which side is looking less pathetic, I'd say hoholistan but only just.
>>542831046Israel
>>542831278You are literally less white even than your former masters, icechink, I wouldn't throw stones in that particular glass house.
>>542831263Pretty much but not quite. It will become a victory over time most likely. >>542831946Humiliation is already done and saving face is not a consideration. Russia does what it wants not because it makes them look better, but because they are fixated on eating their neighbors alive.
>>542832313You mean the Swedes?
>>542831046I have no horse in this race or support either side. I am looking at this objectively. Russia's goal is to take over as much Ukrainian land as possible. They now control 20% of it. They could stop now, put up a new border and they won. They can also keep pushing in and taking more land and moving the border unless they want to go on for more years and take over everything. So as of right now Russia is winning. If the Ukraine pushes back and regains their land then they won but as of now Russia is.
>Morning hits the eastern seaboard>Shill threads and posts start droppingYou Eglin niggers clocking in for your shifts?
>>542832313Based. Who the fuck would want to be white in these Times.What u gonna do Timmy? Huh? HUH? *Fake punches* yeeaah u fliched Timmy!
>>542831946Tell us more about this Russian humiliation faggot shill
Yes Russia has more men but that doesn't mean Ukraine going to run out of moblization resources in a few months. They still has a lot and don't care about human rights so war going to continue for about 5-6 years
>>542831046if russia was winning there wouldn't be a need for them to start killing themselves all the time now would there?
>>542832574Show us the milk you have in your fridge
>>542832749All of this are giga behaviour
>>542831263ukraine could have achived a outcome equal to the current "draw"-situaiton back in 2022if the current "draw"-situation is a ukrainian victory then why didn't ukraine choose victory in 2022?
>>542832761Does that pic offend you kike?
>>542831046In a war of attrition like this one the bigger guy always wins.
Let's examine each party's objectives:>Russia - to prevent Ukraine from falling into the Western sphere of influence - slowly being accomplished, at great cost>Ukrainian leadership - to enrich and empower themselves - temporarily accomplished, but will probably backfire on them after the war>Ukrainian people - to avoid dying, or becoming impoverished, or losing self-governance - unfortunately they are losing on all fronts here>Europe/EU - they are succeeding in hurting Russia to some extent, but seemingly not to the point that they can precipitate some kind of regime change; and their involvement is becoming increasingly costly economically and politicallyUSA - they are also happy to be causing harm to Russia, and their involvement is not really damaging themselves much, unlike Europe. I guess they have wasted some interceptors and such that they now need. Probably the biggest 'winners' here
>>542832574Buy a razorblade and run a bath, Vatnik faggot. Nobody will miss you. When you're 28 times larger than the place you're invading, and you call yourself a great power for decades, and you still can't fucking take it 4 years after invading - yeah, it looks pathetic. Only a paid shill would think otherwise.
Nigeria is doing pretty well with current pil prices and a large refinery they have. Tgat's pretty much it.
>>542831046Ukraine. It's a war of attrition at this point, and if it was just the two of them in a vacuum, Russia would take it. But Ukraine is backed by dozens of other countries, forcing Russia to use more and more desperate means of keeping the war going. Huge emphasis on drones over men as manpower dwindles, separating heavier, mechanized troops into smaller, covert troops that use lighter vehicles, including civilian vehicles, resorted to wide-scale military mobilization among civilians, hiring mercenaries and asking for military support from North Korea, China and Iran, increased military spending to the point of having to dedicate entire fields of economy to it, leading to recession, resorting long ago to bombing civilian infrastructure in order to win the war of attrition, and most importantly, trying to sow discord among European countries, supporting political movements that are pro-Russia and anti-Ukraine. Kreml has for years now counted on them being able to withstand the effects the war has on their industries and economy, but it's wearing them to the point economic stagnancy. They're running on a heavy deficit due to their war economy, and suffer from labor shortages due to working age men being tied to the front, or dying there.And sure, you could say that most of these things hold true for Ukraine, too. But as said, the allies that Ukraine have are simply economically stronger. Russia's one big ally is China, and they've been against the war since day one, and are not quite as keen on supporting Russia. Outside of China, they have Iran who's a bit busy with their own conflicts at the moment, and North Korea, which, lol, lmao even.I know the heckin' le based posters and Kremlin trolls here would want you to believe that every western media is simply lying about Russia doing bad, but you gotta understand that Russia is a paper tiger, and this war has proven that. Ukraine was never even assumed to be strong. Still, 3 days became 5 years.
>>542833123>unfortunately they are losing on all fronts hereThey had some success thought. With protests they fired one of SBU general who advocated for mass mobilization of Ukranians to continue/start to mobolize women too
>>542831046>faggot on VPN posting the same crap threads for 4 years. Russia is winning against all NATO.Ukraine lost.
>>542832929How could they have killed hundred of thousands of russian and achieved billion of damage on russia in 2022?
>>542831258>>542831278One more strange faggot on finnish VPN.Daily reminder, finns came from Ural mountains, Russia , and are identical to russians by a DNA mix
>>542833288>Russia doing bad, but you gotta understand that Russia is a paper tiger, and this war has proven that. Ukraine was never even assumed to be strong. Still, 3 days became 5 years.It's a little disingenuous to pretend Ukaine is not getting billions in aid to the point where they are the 2nd highest military spending country after the US and most like have American special forces and CIA agents and US intel and satellites the same way the Russians are doing to the Iranians now. Russia is actually doing well with all that considered.
>>542833330Budanov recently called for a new mobilisation target of 30,000 per month, while Tusk let slip that Ukraine is now suffering 27,000 casualties per month. It is inevitable that they broaden their conscription criteria if they are to keep fighting
>>542833434shouldnt the priority of ones country be the wellbeing of its people and not to cause GDP damage to another nation at the prices of half a million of your own people?
>>542833607It's not even top 5, wtf are you talking about. Russia absolutely mog it in spending
>>542833238I don't know anything about the conflict, still, but I know to ignore someone who says>Anyone who disagrees with me is X
>>542831046Winners: jewsLosers: ukr and russia
>>542833705How would you ensure the wellbeing of your people if you instantly surrender to any invaders? Likewise, shouldn't russia take the well being of its people into account? The average Russian got nothing but death and poverty
>>542833789>instantlythere were like 3-4 opportunities in 2022none of them were "instantly"
>>542833708Russia spends $150 billion on their military. The rest of the world has given the ukraine 330 billion on top of the 100 billion the Ukraine spends every year. A memeflag lies what a shock
>>542833607I literally said that they get aid from foreign countries, that includes military aid. It's why Russia is losing the war of attrition which Ukraine could not keep up by itself.
>>542833972>get aid from foreign countriesYea but you underplay it. That was what I was pointing out. Russia is not a "paper tiger" if it is standing up to the entire western world helping and outspending Russia.
>>542833708Bullshit faggot>Russia 152mm artillery shell: $600>NATO 155mm shell: $6000 (by the time it gets to ukraine, $4k out of the factory)
>>542833123>prevent Ukraine from falling into the Western sphere of influence - slowly being accomplished
>>542834064>Russia is not a "paper tiger" if it is standing up to the entire western worldThe picture they painted of themselves for decades was that they COULD match the entire West. Now they're struggling to take a 3rd world country who gets some help for some of the west. They 100% are a paper tiger.
>>542834644>The picture they painted of themselves for decades was that they COULD match the entire Westand they are. They are fighting a major military power that is also being funded and aided by the entire western world and they currently own 20% of the Ukraine despite that
>>542832929Because nobody fucking trusts Russia. If they agreed russians would just use the pause to arm and attack again later.
Friendship is winning.
>>542834201Factory cost of 155mm is around 800 bucks. You are comparing war economy production cost to market cost.
>>542834718Dude they are getting more from China than Ukraine is getting from NATO. Not even mentioning N.Korea that not only gave them ammo and missiles but also thousands of soldiers.
>>542835032>Dude they are getting more from China than Ukraine is getting from NATOwhat are you referring to show me?
>>542834917Fuck off retard>https://factually.co/fact-checks/military/cost-of-155mm-artillery-shell-ef6bde>A single 155mm artillery shell can cost anywhere from roughly $3,000 for basic unguided U.S. rounds to about $100,000 for GPS-guided Excalibur rounds, with many reported averages clustering near $3,000–$5,000 for conventional shells depending on maker and moment in the supply cycle [1] [2] [3]. Prices have risen sharply since 2020 as production strained to meet demand for Ukraine and NATO stockpiling, and specialized long‑range or guided projectiles multiply cost variability [
>>542831263Yeah maybe if they defended their territory and didn't lose 1/3 of it
>>542831946Outside of Russia Ukraine was the next most powerful conventional military in europe, no other nation would have been more successful, and countries like the UK would be speaking Ukrainian
>https://en.defence-ua.com/analysis/how_much_155mm_ammunition_costs_now_an_example_of_the_rheinmetall_contract_for_10000_shells-5178.html>In any case, the price of 3.3 thousand euros per 155-mm shell is quite different from the prices at the level of 2020-2021, when the market price for such projectiles appeared at the level of 2 thousand euros per unit. The reasons for such an increase in price are also quite obvious: lack of production capabilities, which caused a certain shortage of ammunition in the world.
>>542833050Nigger, this pic is full of AI Artifacts....
>>542831046Jews are winning, Ukraine is being bred white, same with Russia
Ukraine doesn't exist as a country anymore. Putler has been absolutely destroying their infrastructure lately even western commentators are doomposting about it.I don't think anyone actually believes Ukraine can win in any way other than capitulating right now and avoiding more unnecessary losses
>>542831046Russia's winning condition is to topple Ukraine, absorb it and collapse NATO.Ukraine's winning condition is stopping Russia's winning condition.You tell me who's winning now.
>>542831046richfags are winning and the poorfags are dying
>>542831046>NAFO tranny left his containment thread again Russia has been winning for years. The Ukrainian state is on the verge of collapse. The Polish armed forces are building hardened lines now along the Ukrainian border. Glorious victory for Ukraine, right?
>>542835907Yes that is the standard nafo troon reply to this pic. Exactly where are the markers?40k jews are in ukraine on a new years pilgramage
>>542836123>Russia's winning condition is to topple Ukraine, absorb it and collapse NATO.The Russians have never said this at all. More globohomo jew memeflag imagined stuff
>>542836563get better jeet
>>542836316this.but also this:>>542832574and that, too:>>542833097
>>542831046the jews
>>542835491It was 1/3 in the first month of the full war. It's about 1/5 now
>>542835032I haven't seen chinese jets or tanks in RAF
>>542832574>>542836563you're a tech illiterate faggot>>542833097>>542836878hato is bigger
>>542837128He exited the thread after I asked him for proof and numbers so he was clearly lying
>>542837028those weren't consolidated gains. also there were "negotiation" shenanigansthe 22% they have now have resisted multiple "counteroffensives" while still going deeper in Ukraine's territory. so that land is a done deal. no Crimea beach party, ever.
>>542835491>and didn't lose 1/3 of itCurrently Russia occipies 20% of Ukraine which is 1/5
>>542837164hato is not part of that war, tho. kek.the head of hato, the mighty Murica is busy winning big its 24 hour war in the Middle East. lel.
>>542835572>^the most stupid post in this threadUkraine was never the strongest or the most sophisticated military, retard. Polish land forces make them look like reservists, and that's before we even start talking about the UK and France.Hohols are consoicuously good at one thing and one thing only - drone warfare.The only thing keeping Moscow from getting strafed by other countries who are sick of their shit is nukes. Without that, they have nothing.
>>542831946Didn't the US say it was going to take Iraq and Afghanistan in 2 weeks? Took 20 years and got nowhere. Did people say it was no longer a great power? No. Isn't the US currently bogged down in Iran after promising an in and out war? Your take lacks the context that: the US can't win a war these days, so why should Russia be able to?
>>542831046Jews are winning
>>542831263If they were able to stop the invaders from occupying territory, yes. But that's not the case here. Neither side's position is tolerable long term, but neither has the means to change it. This is as true a stalemate as it gets. Even the western fronts of WWI were more dynamic than this.
>>542838283Wait, you think the death of 3M white Christian men is a win for the Jews?You think it's odd that the most right-wing country in the world elected a Jewish comedy actor to run their country, then immediately got in to a war?You think the whole Gaza thing is a distraction from the other genocides of white Christians around the world, funded by Israel? Nah, you're weird. No way. Get lost, bigot.
>>542837469>they weren't consolidation gains>negotiation shenanigans Thanks for the chuckle, lol. Haven't heard that zigger cope since 2022.Half of the 1/5 russia has now was from 2014. The other half since the 2022 full-scale invasion. So yeah, 12 years of war for 1/5 of Ukraine. Poocia stronk!
>>542831046Russia isn't kidnapping and forcing their citizens to fight a war. Nor are they going around the world begging for money and weapons.
>>542839553you're welcome.take into account that 12 years ago Ukraine had a population of 44 millions while these days it struggles to find cannon fodder for the trenches. slava to the heroes!
>>542838198How many nookes does your daddy UK have?
