There’s currently a thread up on /his/ that’s some how survived 4 fuckin days in regards to whether or not the term “Native American” is retarded.It seems to have really triggered the fuck out of the resident red.dit libs and as such I figured I’d ask /pol/‘s take as it is something of a socio-political topic itself.Your Thoughts?
We used to call them indiansHahahahaha
>>542837316only jews get blasted over this. red man does not care about these gay terms.
>>542837316I prefer "redskin" myself
>>542837316Don't care.Ban usury.
It's a general term for the Indigenous People of the Americas. An exonym since they called themselves specific words usually meaning "The Genuine People".
>>542837316I call them hindus >>542837378Yeah hindus
>>542837316We're reds
>>542837409Noticed myself most tribes on the plains called rival tribes either snakes or dogeaters.
>>542837775Even beggars, Gros Ventre were called beggars by the Arapaho.
>>542837316I reject the premise that the natives "owned" America. They were nomadic hunter-gatherers that were sparse in population density. The Europeans settled untamed wilderness for the most part.
"First Nations" is better IMO, one thing I will give Canadians credit for, because they have their own nations and the term doesn't try to claim mine.
Doesn't America technically only refer to the southern continent and the northern one wasn't even properly named?
>>542837409It's worth engaging these mongs over their objection to the European term "American," because you can point out that the stone-age savages we found on this continent DIDN'T KNOW WHERE THE FUCK THEY WERE. And therefore had no term for this place that was oriented to global geography.
>>542837775>>542837934They never did this and you’re a white faggot for even brainstorming this shit
>>542838147The word Hitúnĕna is Arapaho for Beggar and also Gros Ventre whom the latter broke from. The Comanche called the Southern Arapaho whom some would later join them the Saria Tʉhka meaning Dog-Eaters precisely.
>>542837316Native Turtle Islander lmao
>>542837316Regardless of whatever name they get stuck with cause of the liberal establishment, I'll always stand by them cause they make the SKS unbannable and it makes the whole RCMP and gun control groups seethe continuously
>>542837409I take it you haven't met our reds kek
>>542838311>Dog-EatersDid they have dogs? Or is it a mistranslation from wolf?I find it hard to believe they created dogs.
>>542837316Daily reminder that "native" Americans are not the natives. The first peoples were white, and were in their bronze age when subhuman barbarians scurried across the strait.Copper mining and smelting ceased abruptly. The advanced mound building cultures died off. All that remained were hunter gatherers that never advanced for thousands of years afterwards.They even retain myths that glorify that genocide in some of the tribes. Fucking denisovan invaders and the audacity to claim they have any right to the Americas. The solutreans are the only ones who had true claim, and they're gone. Only their cousins in Europe have any real claim after that.
>>542837316It is correct anything American doesn’t come from the Indians It is like they were just wild bore that can talk and were a slightly more threat than a bison White Americans build everything in America when was the last time you saw a Native American technocrat making Tesla or Apple Because of the same reason they were conquered in the first place just give them free money and they will go back to their old ways just existing Like they do today most native Americans are alcoholics and almost none graduate highschool Why because they get paid to exist They have no interest in developing America now they didn’t have it back then either
>>542838136I think you may be right. I recall seeing "Columbia" on old maps of North America, which is inappropriate because Columbus didn't know where the fuck he was either.Vespucci was the "discoverer," that is, the first person to realize what this place is.
>>542838560Dogs were in fact the only universally domesticated animal in the Americas as they were brought over the Bering Bridge.
>>542838673Huh interesting
>>542838311The word made up bullshit translated from white faggot to another white faggot. Thanks for the info buddy but you’re better off sucking your own men’s dick then giving them the balls to stand up to le evil red man.
>>542837316Image makes no sense because there are bavarians pr*ssians austrians dutch etc
>>542839032It was jews. Look up Krober. He founded modern Anthropology in America. They infiltrate groups, learn language and customs and then subvert. They did the same thing in Europe to white man before they came to the Americas, Asia, and Africa.
>>542839032I don't hate Red Man. Their various cultures greatly intrigue me. I think it's sad much was lost. >>542839363Meanings and contexts can be twisted but what I said was true.
>>542838078More like Fallen nations. By the time Europeans arrived to witness it and muh disease to be the final coffin nail there was only one mound builder "city" left in North America, the Mississippian trade network had long since collapsed, the pueblo cities had been centuries abandoned and their remaining static agricultural culture eaten by roving cannibals (we know because one of them took a shit in a household hearth and it contained the human DNA of the buildings former occupants), and the present Indian tribes succeeding them reduced to migratory subsistence hunting and limited to no agriculture depending on tribe and region (they had no animals to hitch to a plow even if they'd invented/maintained creating one, their long long distant ancestors ate them all)Even south america was in an ongoing cultural and societal collapse. The inca didn't build their cities and were a new empire, the aztecs were roving northern invaders who'd conquered the region ~century prior and every piece of stonework discovered and loudly claimed to be part of tenochitlan I swear bro always quietly gets retconned to be Spanish. The two answers to how a cultures who never developed a copper chisel could carve a right angle relief into granite are 1. They didn't, the people they killed did with a more technological society and 2. We have photos of many of these sites pre "preservation" where they were earth and megalithic stone before they were imagineering by South American governments in the 1950's-70's and the combination illustrates the decline of even those "civilizations" which dwarfed the literal paleolithic state of their Northern continent neighbors.
Don't know. But the east coast Indians had only been living there for 400 years when the pilgrims arrived, 400 years ago.
>>542839460You have to speak for something else that’s all hearsay, lies, bloodlibel, obsession, retardation, fake, and gay.
>>542839634I know a lot of tribes are against the publication of their languages for this reason, sadly though languages risk dying out due to Anglicisation.
>>542838415You are mistaken, the sks is unbannable because back in the 90's the liberals went to parliament right on Christmas like sneaky snakes, when all the conservative MPs were on holiday to pass their gun registry program, but in their haste they misclassified the sks as an AK variant. It seems it has stuck ever since and they have been unable to alter or change it.
>>542837316all natives are brown slaves of the jews that they brought by slave ships. the real natives are white, but you never heard of such a thing as white natives.
>>542840252It's the valmet m78/hunter thats unb&able i believe because our govt bought a bunch for chugs in the 90s in northern kekbec for hunting
>>542837316In canada they like to be called "nations" or "first nations" which makes sense. They don't like being called tribes, I guess because of the primitive connotation. The term native Americans is kind of applicable since both continents are called the Americas. It's not just USA being referenced
>>542840339interesting,rare and kind of expensive.
>>542838147Cope retardThe Lakota were about to genocide the Comanche but Whites prevented itYou're a moron and a kike
I come from a family of Gaels, Normans and Britons. I know the dangers of Anglicisation as an Anglophone. My Great-Grandmother spoke the Mayo Dialect of Irish Gaelic before working for an English Doctor in the Big House.
Native American actually used to mean someone who had been American for generations back during the anti immigration debates of the late 19th century.
>>542837316Named after Amerigo Vespucci, the man that discovered the North American Continent.How do you fucking niggershits now know this.
>>542838048They owned it and we took it from them. Then we gave away our country to blacks, jews, women, and brown people because we are literally retarded. History is just a succession of peoples taking stuff from eachother. We are going to see a lot of darkies gloating about how they took America from us in the near future.
>>542838608>Copper mining and smelting ceased abruptly.They had a lot of mines, but they weren’t smelting anything. Michigan had native copper deposits that were pure enough to work without smelting. They found chunks of copper and pounded them with rocks to make tools.
>>542837316The "Native German" comparison is what makes it dumb."Germans" have always been an ethnicity, while "America" is a place (it has a whole southern half...)
>>542837316>native americansIt seems the argument is entirely semantic.And you say the rdditards are flocking to it ?Interesding, very interesding.
>>542841111it would be native europeans, not native americans. but it's a really retarded discussion.
>>542837316We don't really have a good word for these people. They're not Indians, they have nothing to do with the land of the Indus. The Native American moniker is stupid and it's more than likely they're not the first savages to inhabit this hemisphere before the Europeans showed up. Amerindian is less horrible but still falls short. Unfortunately these people all just called themselves "the people" in their primitive fuckass languages so there's not a whole lot to mine from that. Taxonomically, prairie niggers are quite the problem.
>>542837316>Native AmericanIt is not a term used to describe the indians its a term use to describe us as being illegitimate.
>>542837316I don't debate. I shitpost.
>>542840896>Named after Amerigo Vespuccinah, that's not correct, everyone knows europeans named things after the family name... if indeed the mutts were name after this dood; their name would've been Unitated States of Vespucci and the indians would be native vespuuccians.Clearly that is not the case, and us reditards must dig deeper into the rabbit hole.
>>542841111Germans is a similarly generic category, you have Swabians, Saxons, Thuringians, Bavarians and Franconians and Rhenish with many between. Even Frisians there count.
>>542841263yea, you're terrible at naming shit in general.Let's take your "football" , nigger you hold it 99% of the time when it's not on the ground.Not to mention you get confused by words with similar structure, like Iraq and Iran.
>>542841507>frisians this nigger is retarded, you just called the dutch germans.
Indians are Indians, I don't care where they came from. North American Indians, South American Indians, Hindu Indians, Sikh Indians, Australian Indians. If their skin is brown, they are Indian. I don't care how long ago their ancestors crossed Siberia, they are not Americans. They are functionally indistinguishable from local fauna, it's as retarded as calling deer the original inhabitants of the Americas. If they want to be treated as more than dogs they build something that wasn't gifted by the federal government.
>>542840468>don’t have a written language >don’t have a system of property ownership>don’t have a concept of nationhood in the Westphalian or even most rudimentary sense >we wuz the First Nations Fuck right off
>>542841632Not all Frisians are Dutch, you have Eastern Frisians who are a part of the German State but also Danish one too. Frisians are basically Angles who never left for Britain.
>>542838146You realize that white people spent tens of thousands of years being just as ignorant as them, right?
>>542841793no, you're retarded, you couldve stopped your argument at south holland being german, but you went in the north, and now you double downi dont think understand the difference between germanic origin and being german.for instance the english are germanic, but not germans.and so on and so forth.
>>542838832Most Native American dog breeds died to dog diseases brought by old world dogs from Europe.But some still survive, like The Malamute and Chihuaua
>>542841875this guy is a redditard, his argument is all retarded
>>542837378merciless Indian Savages even in the Declaration
>>542841736Nation arguably just means a racial group. The modern version is kind of the distortion
>>5428373164chan has made yet another intellectual achievement, such as describing modern workplaces as “daycare” or reverse critical theory tactics.
>>542837316When Europe gets completely conquered by Muslims and jeets you'll understand the term, we will call native Europeans the small still existing settlements of white people
>>542841930https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heligoland
>>542840602Yeah i had to import mine from the states because the prices for them here are retarded Also mags are sadly $300 a pop
>>542840961I'm a darkie (Indian Hindu), and I have no intention of "taking" any land like u said. Quite the opposite, I'd like the white man to remain dominant. But it's sadly not gonna happen because losers like you just won't breed with your white girls. So please just have sex. I'd like a world with white people, not without. That's it.>>542837378>>542837409>>542837557
>>542842095i really dont care about trannypedia. ask the frisians if they're "germans"
>>542842095>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heligolandwait did you just post some shady retarded island half the size of a stadium and that's your argument for calling frisians germans ?nea, fuck that, yer ragebaiting.
>>542841551What's romanian for "get your stinky brown paws out of my pocket"?
>>542842212I clearly said the Frisians there. Not all Frisians. Frisia is divided by the Dutch, Germans and Danish.
>>542840961>They owned it and we took it from them.Stopped reading here.This is not true, and I already explained why.
>>542842295https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Frisian_Islands
>>542837316if the Indians had been as racist as me, they would have the entire continent for themselves todayactually, they probably were but just lost against the European supremacy so... yeah
>>542842368no, you're retarded.by your logic being English is a penal colony and a nigger.
>>542842206For the most part it's the opposite problem, the women are refusing to breed. They're all spending their best years partying and fucking around with birth control slop, and legally there's nothing we can do about it. I'm not breeding with them because they've been viciously rancid, time wasting cunts my whole life and I'm over it.
>>542842363silence, europoor tranny.
>>542842551Why seethe? Most Frisians in the east consider their nationality German and their ethnicity Frisian.
>>542842514they were too busy hating the shit out of each other after centuries of warring back and forth hunting and eating and enslaving each other to be able to get along and mount an organized resistance. the few tribes who did manage to get together eventually lost or stabbed each other in the back
>>542842600>first thing he thinks about is other men's genitals
>>542838673They were brought in the second ice/land bridge migration. Not the first one 10k years prior.
>>542837378They call themselves Indians. The governing body relating to them is the Bureau of Indian Affairs. People tried to push for “First Nations” for a while but that’s a slippery slope to learning how brutal they were to each other before us honkeys got here.
>>542837378It's Indianx now.
>>542842647most indians consider themselves of purest english stock.
>>542841991Fun fact: the chihuahua was bred to be food
>>542842016Doesn't make sense in a modern framework though, the primitive connotation of tribe fits precisely because they were primitive, not necessarily primitive as in neolithic rock tossers. Nations did have strong racial makeup in the past, many having been built up from racially homogenized tribes but American tribes never attained nationhood status which requires a higher degree of civilization and a misnomer.
They literally were born and life on American land so they're LITERALLY american
>>542839566More like wall of cope
>>542842861I doubt that since earliest migrations through to South America brought Dogs too. Likely dependent on Dog lineage though most are now extinct.
>>542837641>Indigenous People of the Americas.These people are NOT the indigenous people though .... That was the Clovius people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clovis_culture.They current ""natives"" are from Asia and killed and ate the actual Natives of the Americas 9000 years ago. **Almost everything you think you know about "Natives" is bullshit .
>>542843223Land bridge theory is just a theory, people have been here for hundreds of thousands of years but they just cover up the sites and blackball the archeologists.
>>542842965They don't or if they do they live in Uttar Pradesh and on Twitter.
>>542837557I like "wagon burning prairie nigger" myself.
>>542843331It's the problems of transversing the Atlantic Ice Sheet during that era.
>>542843296It's a mix, there are a lot of different lineages, not all are the same. Some are european, others asiatic, others from south pacific and the rest could be from here all along and just interbred, who knows.
>>542837378Feather jeets.
>>542837316Like pretty much all leftist agendas, it's about making themselves feel good and nothing else
>>542843438Academics are retarded, they never heard of boats I guess.
>>542843223>humans isolated from European populations don’t develop immunity to European diseases>somehow dogs doBritish intellectuals everyone
>>542837316ok then what did they call the continent they lived on? ill wait
>>542837316Invading Europeans genocided the natives and took their land and now their pissass failson descendants play word games
exonyms have always been a thing, the example is retarded as nobody is saying native americans should call themselves as such, if they have their own endonym, they should use it
>>542842295East Frisia is a region in Germany of thousands of square kilometers and with a population of half a million people. It's not just a few islands
>>542837641God, I like that hair. I need to try something like that. This could be a big move for me, this could be HUGE!
>>542837316>there's a slow thread on /his/I bet, especially after brown and troon invasion
>>542838622It’s funny to remember that Columbus died thinking he was in Asia.
>>542837316Every person born in America is a Native American. That's a fact. Hope this helps settle the dispute.
>>542843986>I have zero culture I'm just a corporate brown import to suppress wages brainwashed with white philosophy, I'm native, these are my rights, let me tell you about how I identify with Locke lelele
>>542843129>Sneeding
>>542843586Never said they did. Most died out from Canine Distemper brought by Spanish Dogs.
>>542843801I MUST hybridise the Deroptyus accipitrinus with the Pionites melanocephalus! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW25QPcaFLghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNmkag0HNRw
feathernigger, chug, or HEYA HOYA
>>542837316i tell people americans gassed all the natives and put the rest in little camps, meanwhile the diseases are just a fake cover up
>>542837316Native Americans historically preferred being called indians, because it was their unifying identity, for better or worse. They were named that by white people, which is a bit insulting from their PoV I know, but getting renamed again by white people after accepting that name is equally as insulting; leftist colonialism, patronizingly trying to transform another group's identity yet again. How many times do they need to be rechristened, how many times does their sovereignty over their own identity and culture need to be flatly ignored?I used to refuse to call them native americans on that basis alone, because I respect their right to be called what they call themselves rather than what HR Karens insist they ought to be called.The only reason I changed by mind is because actual indians are so gross and everpresent that using that word to describe anyone else now seems like too much of an insult. Native american now really is just better. I wouldn't call my worst enemy an indian, because "indian" is honestly basically a slur.
>>542845300I call them heyahoyans myself.Chief Big Thunder Shits on Small Plains is gonna have to live with it.
>>542838048>They were nomadic hunter-gatherersThis is a midwit take native populations were sedentary in most places in the America's before 1492. It was after this point they became nomadic due to the population collapse in the mid 1500s cause by the Francisco de Orellana and De Soto expeditions into the Amazon and Mississippi rivers.
>>542837378And now, knowing what Indians are actually like, I apologize to Native Americans for ever using a word that also described jeets.
>>542837316They don't have a written language, savages kill off each other with short cycles, meaning all Indian names and traditions were named something different every 30 years. No maps existed either. So we use American due to it being the only written and long standing description of the region.
>>542845903whites often called 'em reds or redskins
“Poland” is a name given by English speaking Germanics and “Polan” or “Polanie” comes from Germanics using Latin. It quite literally is exactly the same. /his/ and /pol/ are fucking retarded.
>>542841263They are the people native to these lands, the Americas. Hence, Native Americans is totally appropriate and fitting.
They’re “American Indians”. They aren’t “native Americans” and if they are, then so is every white person born here.
>>542837316This is all Spain's fault. Idk why nobody ever blames them for what they've done that became the impetus for everything that's happened ever since.
>>542848469Amerindians are literally no better, just a different flavor of brown seething retards, who happened to benefit from a few decades of Jewish media portraying them as better than they really are, as part of early Jewish efforts to instill in whites a feeling of racial guilt.Instead of low iq sneaky browns who try to scam and farm izzat at the expense of civilization, you have low iq drunken browns who have a mixture of the cunning of jews without the intellect and the savagery of niggers. They should have been exterminated for the good of mankind by the founders, but as ever, the benevolence of the white man overcame his reasont. man who lives near a res and has taken the time to actually read some historical accounts of the savagery of the featherniggers
>>542843547No snow shoes back then, no ocean crossing vessels either.
>>542842206Brilliant counter intelligence
>>542842939We called them indians first. Columbus' whole plan was to go to India for the spice trade and thought that's where he wound up. That's why they're indians.
>>542848710Some did. Though it was mainly in mesoamerica. Interestingly enough the Incas didn't have a written language, or many other tools like the wheel or beasts of burden, and had the largest empire in pre columbian america. They did have these things called quipu which were lengths of braided ropes which they used to record information on. So instead of writing or hieroglyphs, they had rope knots. Unfortunately we can't read any of the surviving examples thanks to the Spanish, so any info we could have gotten from them is lost.
>>542851005>thanks to the SpanishMaybe putting your writings on everything your people did on fucking perishable plant fibers was a stupid idea in the first place>You don't understand, it was easier for them to get ropes than rocksSkill issue
>>542837316remember kids, the crying indian at the side of the highway was actually played by an Italian.
>>542837316What did Whites invade? 95% of American continent was empty.>Zero "native American" tribe in US claimed ownership of 1%+ of the current US territory, and regardless of whoever did, their land was conquered (ceded or not, who cares, that's not a legal term for a state to exist) and the State was created from scratch by Whites.>Whom were those empty lands conquered from, if no one claimed?Who cares anyways, if they were defeated and conquered?>90%+ of current territory of China and Russia was colonized, conquered, absorbed, whether it took 50 or 500 years who cares.>China was enslaved and inseminated during almost 800 years by Mongols and Manchus, zero complains. But Brits and other EuroGODs occupy 6-7 cities during 69 years... "OMG muh century of humiliation ritual!" kys>All northern Africa ethnically, culturally, linguistically replaced by the violent, unprovoked, imperialist conquest by Muslims: where's the vitriol?Muzzies can conquer land all the way from Baghdad to Spain and China, across lands and rivers and mountains, but the Euros can't go to conquer US or Mexico or Peru (they first conquered the closest islands, the Azores and Canarias, then Dominican = La Espanola, then other islands, then the main continent) because the Atlantic ocean is wider than Gibraltar? kys>Btw "native Americans" came through 15k+ years of multiple true invading waves via Bering strait or Polinesia and replaced again and again the previous population.
>>542851600"Jevvish bioweapon" is a great name: it means non-White imported/prompted/empowerd in a majority White society to destroy its institutions.The stupid meme made by a Leftard/jevv/jeet about whitey in a Jew leash means nothing because (1) Whites are not being imported by/exported to any non-White society at all let alone massively, and (2) when Whites went to any place in the last 5 centuries, the absolute majority went to improve that place building the civilization that the non-Whites never could, from the poorest settler to the most powerful commander
>>542851275>Maybe putting your writings on everything your people did on fucking perishable plant fibers was a stupid idea in the first placeHey anon, what's paper made out of?
>>542852022Apparently something more durable than whatever the fucking ropes were made of, retard>No you don't understand, they perfectly found and destroyed ALL the ropes in existenceBullshitAgain, SKILL ISSUE
>>542837316>Your Thoughts?Bear is Man with no fire
