Why did NATO’s weapons fail so badly in Ukraine?
>>542847430Those hands look so soft and breedable
>>542847430SAARBRAMS
What make you think they failed?
>>542847430Because it was operated by slavic retards.
>>542847498they definitely don't look dominican, that's for sure
>>542847430Drones emerged as the true wunderwaffe.
>>542847525Does this look like a success to you?
>>542847430Because of drones? Reminder that Russian tanks failed just as badly.
>>542847765NATO weapons did worse than Russian ones
>>542847746Why do you think armies have stockpiles?
>>542847430Because Russia countered them with Star Wars tech.
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>>542847430 Operator error. Most ukranians on the front line are NEET bugmen who have been kidnapped by Zelensky's thugs. Kek.Losers, lmfao
>>542847430If they failed so bad Russia would have won by now.
>>542847902And what happens when those stockpiles run out because of attritional warfare?
>>542847598looks like a twp haver
they will anthropomorphize a russian bus but theres still no exhibitionism captive abrams anime lady being led through a parade naked and pregnant. get to it drawfags
>>542848075>And what happen when a military strategy that's been used for centuries is successfulJee, you tell me.
>>542847430Because they were designed for desert warfare and to defend Israel.>>542847765NATO tanks performed worse than ours in Ukraine, it was a total disaster. There are many factors at play here, but ultimately they all boil down to the fact that these tanks simply weren't designed for war in Europe. They are significantly heavier than our tanks, yet they don't have enough armor to offer any protection against drones. You just can't equip those meme grilles or turtle armor because the tank already weighs way more than it should.
>>542847746Over a million killed Russians so far and the entire Soviet stockpile is destroyed.Seems very successful.
>>542848065They did fail you stupid boomer. In fact, your shitty national guards are abandoning the Abrams in a desperate attempt to embrace modern warfare realities. LOL!https://voennoedelo.com/en/posts/id19913-us-cuts-abrams-tanks-after-battlefield-losses-in-ukraine
>>542847430>here have our leftover shit from 50 years ago that has never been tested in a real battle>WHAT HAPPENED!?!?
>>542848204>army is abandoning musket for machine gunswow, i guess muskets didn't won the revolutionary war then
>>542847746This is actually a success because the only real thing the burger weapons are made to do is to transfer as much money from taxpayers to the (((MIC))).If they get destroyed, it means the (((MIC))) gets to sell them another
>>542848204>Enemy weapons fail>Still can't winYou sure you want to push this narrative anon?
bro theres literally tens of thousands blown up of russian/soviet tanks, ifvs and apcs. who the fuck cares about 30 or so abrams kek
>>542847430New technology made the tank obsolete. It also made the human obsolete.
>>542847430Ah you mean why did the 6 7 obsolete tanks they gave to ukraine eventually get destroyed in ukraine ?
>>542847525Because the manlet thinks a good weapon or gear CAN'T BE DESTROYED. (not even by a unlearned crew which is why most of stuff got destroyed - sometimes by missuse of the crew itself). In his world it's like in a GI-Joe cartoon. Skandinavians like east Europeans think that if a weapon can be destroyed, it's not superior. Too much Hollywood movies and comics. I mean by that logic: a stone is superior to the best rifle on the planet. Just hit it with the rock again and again and again and again.....
>>542848493i guess he was expecting them to stay away from the battlefield
>>542848184 You have that backwards, kike. Thats why Zelensky is begging everyone for more weapons. lulz
>>542847430they're probably still useful for desert warfare. it's where they've always excelled. in truth tanks were finished half way through ww2.
>>542848548Pretty sure he think the six days war is how every battle end upOP is a stinky jew
>>542847430Notice how the turret is still attached
>>542848311>>542848380>One example of an Abrams being destroyed was previously described by a serviceman from the Moscow Military District with the call sign Kot. He said a single FPV drone was enough to knock out the US-made tank.LOL! This is your wunderwaffe, Americans?
>>542847430Export version
>>542848566Ukraine had not much armory to begin with, they never larped as being the second army of the world unbeatable superpower but Russia did, it is Russia now who attack with Chinese e scooters or horses.
>>542848548>spends years gloating about the invincibility of American power>wunderwaffe gets rekt in first real war>”n-nobody said they wouldn’t be destroyed”LMAO! You /k/cels never fail to make me LAUGH!
>>542848724And again Russia is so bad it can't win a war against a smaller nation with bad failing equipment. 5 years of war and still no win. What does that make Russia look like?
>>542848724>This is your wunderwaffe, Americans?Yes, it was made to combat the USSR and it saw it's fall
>>542848643Yeah, of course.The famous “everyone who disagrees with me is a Jew!”Never mind the fact your country has been the vector of global Jewry, for over a century.
>>542848747 Everything coming from your side has been a lie.Tusk just came out and admitted there's 27K Ukro-nigger deaths a month, while the lying kike rat Zelensky claims that only 54K ukro's have died since the *start of the war*.The whole world sees the video proof of you going around and kidnapping fat ukro-nigger #673 from mom's car because you're out of men.Russia's stockpiles continue to grow, they can out-manufacture all of NATO 5x. Your shit is over, kike. Submit to your leader.
>>542848882What are you gonna do about it?
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>>542848977Post outlet
>>542847430The Abrahams is a 46 year old tank. Drones aside the beginning of the war was almost a historic reenactment.
>>542848977All this and Russia still can't win? Weird isn't it
>>542847430Isn't this the tank that they had to smash the barrel down with an excavator because it looked too imposing, even as a burnt out wreck?I can't find the webm or video, but I'm 99% sure this is the same tank. I found the video of them doing it to a Leopard 2, but can't find the abrams one. >Earlier also appeared a video showing a Leopard 2 tank being bent muzzle. Kremlin media explained it as, "They lowered the proudly raised cannon to make the Leopard look like a defeated one."
>>542847430Because they are being used by Slavs. When this started I said here the blame would be on dumb Slavs trying too stupid to use Western Weapons. Even Dominicans are White and more Euro than Slavs.
>>542847430remember when /k/ used to scream "monkey model"? lol
>>542847430Because it's run by idiots.
>>542849288>They couldn't make the leopard 2 look defeated through their military prowess so they faked ithilarious
>>542849044 You are literally sucking globohomo NATO cock, faggot.
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>>542847430Hohols unironically drove them into minefields
>>542847430btw, not a single nafo tank managed to reach russian positions during whole warall of them were desteyed before they managed to shootsame as sterile childless europeans, they pamper themselves but cant shoot and make children
>>542848992>What are you gonna do about it?
>>542847746Luckily Russia didn't lose any of their military equipment. Oh wait. Do you understand what war is? All of this equipment is disposable in war. It is used to gain an advantage in some way, but it is to be expected it gets wrecked at some point. Sometimes shit gets wrecked before it has provided any advantage on the battlefield. That too happens in war. What kind of dingbat reality does your brain exist in if you don't understand something this basic about warfare? None of this shit is a collector's item. It is meant to be used until it gets wrecked. That's also why more shit is produced so that more shit can be used and has to be wrecked by the enemy. Hence military production increasing, hence war economy, etc.
>>542849288>>542849417>at least it looked intimidating What the fuck is this cope? LOL
>>542847909>propeller>Star Wars techReally? That's how you see it.
>>542849466Where's your outlet nigger?
>>542849417They praised a few NATO weapons as if they just defeated some alien tech while their entire Soviet stockpile is gone but Russian armory is garbage and expected to fail anyway.They have a hard party because they defeated a handful of western mercs as if they just defeated supersoldiers while they have a million killed pidors but pidors are worthless anyway so them dying in masses is normal.They seem not to realize what this actually shows and how they really view western tech and soldiers lmao
>>542850007>At least the crew survived to fight another day is a copek
>>542849795They were supposed to "sweep Putin’s conscripts aside".
>>542847746Post how much the rua paid in bounty to get those kills.https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html
>>542850093It has X-wings. Have you never even seen Star Wars?
>>542849288One of the crane operators live streamed buck breaking the abrams https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Uj3ycKy0TI
>>542847430>Why did NATO’s weapons fail so badly in Ukraine?NATO and American armies work well in Combined Arms Tactics *** and with veterans of past wars sprinkled in the troops*** *** No matter how much you fuck up the Four Tour Iraq Vet will save you. And if you really fuck up on the ground -- the F-15 Strike Eagles or the B-52s or Tomahawk missiles will save you. Ukies have no veterans of past wars Ukies don't have Strike Eagles or B-52s or Tomahawk missiles.The US and NATO commanders circiling in their Awacs and E-6 command planes FEEL like they are giving orders like they are using Combined Arms.... so its the same right** Kind of Like a Woman or Tranny Mentality
>>542848311They didn't. You need to read up a little more on the Revolutionary war. England had to transport troops and supplies across an entire ocean. It was a war of logistics, and there was no way the British were going to be able to support a war across an entire ocean against a determined foe.
>>542848769The sad fact about the M1 Abrams is that you don't even need to destroy it to win. It will destroy itself. Without constant support and repairs, the M1 just becomes a massive burden to any military that dares to use it.
>>542848837Are you asking why Russia doesn't just genocide all of those in Ukraine? I've heard of to the last Ukrainian, but you go extra hardcore and want total genocide.
>>542849200Russia has already won. Ukraine just isn't finished losing.
>>542849784It turns out that all anyone has to do is fight back against globalhomo and the people win. The enemies of man are really just that weak and only succeed if everyone allows them to.
>>542851239>they destroyed our wundershit but here’s how that’s actually a victorylol, okay.
>>542847430The main problem is a mismatch between tactics, resources, and the roles the equipment was actually designed for. Tanks are already maintenance intensive machines, and NATO doctrine assumes you win the opening engagement so thoroughly that support vehicles and supply lines can trail the armor in relative safety. Late Cold War designs leaned hard into the “super tank” concept vehicles built to outright outclass anything on the other side. Those machines perform poorly in the kind of prolonged attritional fighting seen in Ukraine. Russia has had a small air issue the older, mid-Cold War designs like the T-72 have generally proven more effective than the more modern, higher spec models.You can see the same thing with the heavy and super heavy tanks of late WWII. Everyone rushed to field them, yet almost none achieved meaningful operational success.
>>542852493The U.S. Army wins with unlimited logistics. Assuming that the army has unlimited access to fuel, ammunition, and spare parts, the U.S. Military can win. Ukraine has none of those things, so American equipment absolutely fails for them.
>>542853645Agreed.
>>542847598Im a white Dominican. How else do you think we make Dominicans lol
>>542847430they werent serious about it
>>542852793>Takes 5 years to win a war against a weaker opponent with ”failing” equipment>THIS NEEDS GENOCIDE TO WIN!!kek.
>>542853968r u in this pic >>542849306
>>542853991That is a fair assessment. Nobody was going to commit everything just to support a completely corrupt and incompetent country such as Ukraine.
>>542853829>The main problem is a mismatch between tactics, resources, and the roles the equipment was actually designed for. Tanks are already maintenance intensive machines, and NATO doctrine assumes you win the opening engagement so thoroughly that support vehicles and supply lines can trail the armor in relative safety.Okay. So NATO’s doctrine is basically to fight a fantasy war where logistics and attrition don’t exist. Got it.> Russia has had a small air issue the older, mid-Cold War designs like the T-72 have generally proven more effective than the more modern, higher spec models.You can see the same thing with the heavy and super heavy tanks of late WWII. Everyone rushed to field them, yet almost none achieved meaningful operational success.Because Russia has the only realistic war doctrine, which is to mass produce things. That is how they won the eastern front. Mass production is the lesson we should’ve learned from the Second World War.
>>542854093It depends a lot on your definition of 'win'. If you still think that Russia isn't winning by now, you either have a flawed understanding of the war or think that Russia needs to completely and utterly destroy Ukraine win to win, which would mean genocide.
>>542854346If you think a meat grinding stalemate means someone is winning you are fucking retarded. Winning isn't grinding your population down over years of attrition warfare for bombed out fields and ruined cities. Did the US win in Vietnam?
>>542854093LOL! Okay fag. Russia was on the verge of winning in 2022 when they were right at the outskirts of Kiev. Zelensky and co begged for a ceasefire which is why Russia retreated. But after western reassurances that they would fund his war, Zelensky rebuffed Putin’s negotiations.So fuck off with your revisionism.
>>542849306Hmm i don't know how to measure my family's purity but they're about there, yeah. Except we do have some niggy and indio looking family members. Kind of a spectrum of mongrels. All I can say is that blacks treat me like a white man. When they find out im dominican they think im black and tey to befriend me usually. Which is funny cause I never hated them in the first place. So they are shocked when they end up liking me.
>>542849571This is the best argumentation the natofag can muster.
>>542854665>Ok fag but what about my fantasiesKek
>>542854759That's a picture not an argument anon nor was it intended to be.
US provided 31 tanks and 186 bradleys and 200 m113s, not really very much to speak of.
>>542854600The U.S. has lost in every modern war; Korean, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, and now Iran. Ukraine isn't a stalemate, because Russia continues to advance, day after day, week after week, taking villages, towns, and even cities. Ukraine desperately attempts to reclaim their losses which is proof of how badly they are losing ground, which only results in even more destruction to the Ukrainian military.
>>542847430>Why did NATO’s weapons fail so badly in Ukraine?NATO and warsaw pact weapon systems and doctrines were developed to either contain angry civilians, shoot sand-niggers, Nuclear war and the potential soviet mass armor spearhead to western europe.Sound like meme scenario but NATO and its weapons were made for that conflict cold-war era style of conflicts, modern warfare against an industrial oponent plus high tech, was something no military planner expected, nor they expected that arms manufactured with civilian-grade technology would become far more cheaper and far more effective than military-grade technology.People here bitch about russians, but they did a remarkable job addapting to the new conditions of modern warfare.
>>542855160They advanced in some places but lost ground in others that is a stalemate anon. Come at me when Russia has control over 50% or more of the nation in about 10 years.
>>542854922>>542855010You know I’m right. You have no arguments to corroborate your nonsensical claims. LOL!Ukraine is losing ground. There is a massive encirclement in Kharkhov, Orekhov is about the fall, and the fortress belt is on the verge of being seized.
>>542854275>Okay. So NATO’s doctrine is basically to fight a fantasy war where logistics and attrition don’t exist. Got it.Unironically yes. It’s basically a modernization of Blitzkrieg. Look at how the US has conducted land wars in the modern era>Bomb the absolute shit out of everything>Try to decapitate command and overwhelm in the first few hours>Drive in the armor and mechanized forces>If that doesn’t work, fuck it decades long forever war until we get bored>Because Russia has the only realistic war doctrine…The Russians didn’t actually learn that lesson all that well themselves. They repeatedly fell for the “build the biggest, dumbest super tank” meme.In the pre-war era you had the T-28 and T-35 barely functional multi-turret “landship” designs. The Germans found more of them broken down and abandoned than they ever actually fought.Later in the war the Soviets spent a lot of time in a pissing contest with the Germans over who could build the biggest and “bestest” super tank. A lot of dumb prototypes got considered and trialled while the T-34s and KV series did the actual heavy lifting. The IS-3 was the peak of the “my cock is bigger than yours” approach and it’s mostly a footnote in tank history. Later entries in the IS family were mechanical shitshows.They fell even harder into that trap during the Cold War.Take picrel for example Object 279 a prototype heavy tank built around the idea of “well fuck, what if NATO drops nukes on us? Let’s design a tank that can still operate in those conditions.” The whole concept was the biggest, baddest tank possible, able to keep fighting even if all hell broke looseThe problem? Soviet industry couldn’t support it Soviet infrastructure literally couldn’t handle its weight, and Khrushchev killed the entire heavy tank program. Instead he pushed another failed super-weapon concept of “what if a tank that can throw missiles?” That dead end produced things like the IT-1.
>>542854346Win means you achieve strategic objectives. In simple terms it usually means forcing the other side to accept terms you dictate, occupying all centers of power such that you simply enforce terms directly, or that you break the other side's capacity to resist with force.WW1 ended with the former, WW2 the latter.Russia is nowhere close to achieving their strategic objectives. Instead of denazifying Ukraine, they've radicalized it. Instead demilitarizing Ukraine, they've propelled it into one of the most dangerous and effective fighting forces in Europe. Instead of creating intimidating NATO, they've triggered rearmament. Instead of preventing long range strategic strikes against them, they now suffer daily bombardment.Russia is nowhere near any of Ukraine's centers of power and advancing glacially or not at all at unsustainable costs. They're nowhere near breaking Ukraine's will or capacity to resist but are increasingly exhausting their own industrial, financial and material means of carrying on the war.Propagandists talk of winning winning winning every day in this shit hole for 5 years now but still have no tangible results to show for it, no credible path to success that isn't predicated on the blind prayer that resistance will collapse in 2 more weeks trust the plan. You're not compelling or subversive, you're just retarded.
>>542847430Why do you have pale, callous-free hands with no dirt under your nails, OP? Why isn't there a single sign you possess any body hair? Why are your hands mistakeable for a woman's?
>>542852361Anon delivers!>>542851246>Only roosters don't want to die for the motherland!Or something. Idk I don't speak vatnik.
>>542855428Russia is somehow just weeks away from winning for the last 5 years anon you don't see that you are a broken record? Also you never answered my question first. If all of NATO weapons failed then why the fuck can't Russia wrap this shit up?
>>542854189Depending on the country even if they had the will to they straight up couldn’t . The U.K. for example couldn’t exactly give that much equipment support when these are it’s armor numbers.
>>542847430Weapons are weapons - despite the memes our tanks, etc aren't THAT much better than the Russians', both work - and both are vulnerable to other modern weapons. We are at a technological inflection point, and nobody has a good answer to cheap FPV drones yet.
>>542855405>russia is winning too slowlylol you’re really dumb!Here’s a pic for you.Russia is advancing on all fronts. FACT!
>>542848178NATO tanks didn't perform worse. They performed about the same. The actual problem is that they are vastly more expensive to eke out advantages that simply didn't matter very much on the modern battlefield. This is something soviets understood long ago and got right - tank duels are rare, and designing tanks with fighting other tanks in mind is silly.
>>542855560Why can't nato wrap shit up already ?
>>542855650>Here’s a pic for you. You think I am fighting in Ukraine? More fantasy?
>>542849417>They couldn't make the leopard 2 look defeated through their military prowessBroseph, the fact that it's in Moscow as a trophy makes it look defeated.
>>542855764I am not the one claiming my enemies weapons all failed nigger.
>>542855764They're not at war with Russia. Shocking, I know. Russia is locked in a stalemated positional death struggle with its neighbour and former colony Ukraine, the poorest country in Europe.
At this point, its probably better to start letting go of tanks
>>542851246The *vast* majority of ammo cook-offs that we see in this war involve tanks that were already abandoned - ie, the crew survived to fight another day, at least in theory. And Russian tanks have less crewmen that have to hoof it back to friendly lines while being hunted by drones.
>>542847430Aliexpress drones plus they gave them almost no training on the equipment. We sent a chick officer who wasn't even armored to teach them a powerpoint on our leopards. I dont think any survived.
>>542855963Since you're not getting the point here I'll help you out a little.Tanks are abandoned for any number of reasons. A thrown track, engine problems, any range of mobility issues that prevent it from moving with its forces means the tank must be abandoned and either recovered later or left behind.What these videos prove is that Russia has been making off with undamaged tanks that were abandoned, and then staging battle damage in order to advance the narrative that they were destroying NATO tanks in combat, where in reality they've only managed to retrieve a statistical margin of tanks suffering mechanical failures. And they have to do this precisely because they have been unable to retrieve a single wreck from an actually battle damaged MBT, which is itself a pretty dire indictment of the disparity on display here.
>>542847430Fail so badly that second army in the world is struggling for 5 years to take 10% of the poorest country in Europe?
>>542855474> They fell even harder into that trap during the Cold War.> Take picrel for example Object 279 a prototype heavy tank built around the idea of “well fuck, what if NATO drops nukes on us? Let’s design a tank that can still operate in those conditions.” The whole concept was the biggest, baddest tank possible, able to keep fighting even if all hell broke looseBut they didn't fall into that trap, since they built one prototype, tested it, and decided it was too complex and expensive to field.
>>542855650>Russians are saying Russians are winningMore news at 11
>>542856378We've seen so many of these tanks destroyed by now that this entire screed is absolutely laughable. The best trophies for museums are largely intact examples, btw.
>>542855764Why spend more money than needed?
>>542856400After already waisting time on several other failed or redundant heavy tanks. Often coming to the same conclusions of “ah shit we can’t build this in numbers” 279 was also only formally canceled after Khrushchev gave an order for a hard weight limit of under 40 tons for future tanks. Given the last of the IS series and the T series heavy tanks where still going around that same time without the order the Soviets could have easily wasted more time on super heavies.
>>542856643So... they didn't fall into the trap.
>>542855855I doubt you're capable of any fighting, except the kind that occurs on the internet. You'd certainly win in a war on Reddit.
>>542847430Russia must have lost something big to Ukraine today, the damage control shills are out in full force
>>542855560Russia can't wrap this shit up because of massive proliferation of cheap FPV drones filled with Chinese components. That turned out to be the decisive wunderwaffe in this war, not NATO or Russian derived tech - but cheap chinese quadcopters with an RPG warhead duct taped to it.And, of course, the fact that Ukraine doesn't need an industry or an economy to stay in the fight.
>>542855474>Unironically yes. It’s basically a modernization of Blitzkrieg. Look at how the US has conducted land wars in the modern eraIt’s not really blitzkrieg. Unlike the US decapitation doctrine blitzkrieg was in some respects entirely attritional. It was based on fast manoeuvres and encirclements which would squeeze and starve the enemy.> The Russians didn’t actually learn that lesson all that well themselves. They repeatedly fell for the “build the biggest, dumbest super tank” meme...While I agree with most of what you have to say, you sort of make it seem like the Soviets only produced super tanks. While they were certainly trying to catch up to the US in that regard, they also developed cheap and easier to produce vehicles like the T-54/T-55, T-62, T-72, BMP-1, BTR-60, among others.
>>542856744Considering how many failed, one off, and dead end tank designs they cranked out during the Cold War banking on breaking through the same super tank idea NATO did yes they did. You can even see the modern results of that with T-14 and the BMPT.
>>542855474A decades long forever war is the exact opposite of "not designed for attrition"The simple truth is that while western tanks are more complex than Russian ones, that complexity is itself not more expensive because it's coming from a technological and industrial base that's more advanced and more capable. Tanks are expensive because they are low demand objects sold for profit in a peacetime economy, but their production can be rapidly scaled up should that peace break down bringing with it a natural reduction in cost through economies of scale. Western militaries are designed around MBTs and IFVs that their industrial base can scale to produce in colossal numbers should the need arise, but which are technically robust enough to operate effectively in small numbers during peacetime.Russia's tanks are the product of Russian industry, simplicity isn't a product of a design philosophy that favours simplicity, it's a simplicity that's imposed by the limitations of their industrial base. Their tanks are "cheap" in financial terms because their military industry doesn't operate at a net profit and relies heavily on government subsidy passed through multiple layers of banking and shadow finance. The real cost is comparable to the west, but distributed and hidden among financial assets. But that simplicity has its own cost as the majority of modern Russian tanks fail via catastrophic ammunition cookoff into the crew compartment, causing the total loss of vehicle and crew. Meanwhile the majority of western MBTs fail in combat via mobility kill which leaves the vehicle recoverable and the crew alive.All this war has shown is that being highly attritable is not in itself valuable. Being a vastly more numerous force with colossal reserves of equipment did not allow them to overwhelm their foe, rather they literally exhausted many of these equipment stockpiles and had to slow the pace of operations to what their industrial base could sustain.
>still seething that hard because of 1 (one) tankYou trolled yourself, faggots. All I had to do was sit back and have fun.
>>542847430Been there last winter. The ruskies really fucked our leos up. Got one right into the treads. Kruppstahl armor remains still intact, of course.
>>542847430>>542847746Is NATO equipment why Russia steamrolled Kiev?
>>542857204T-14 is a NATO-weight MBT, not some super tank. A little better protected than previous designs, with an unmanned turret. If we didn't enter the FPV era, it might have seen proliferation and success, but it would be silly to field now until some sort of practical countermeasures evolve. BMPT is not some super tank either, it's simply a specialized vehicle based on the Chechen war experience, designed to strafe high-rises in urban combat.
>>542856970That’s the thing the Soviets did produce cheaper, mass-producible tanks during the Cold War, just like their NATO counterparts with vehicles like the Leopards, Pattons, and Centurions.My point is that the Soviets got just as sidetracked by dumb super-weapon projects and crackpot ideas that never panned out as the West did. They even followed the West down the “ultra-modern MBT with a million bells and whistles” path with the T-14.It’s not like they discovered a secret of production capacity the west just doesn’t get. They also always wanted the untouchable super weapons and like everyone else failed st it dozens of times.
>>542847430You're the only Dominican nigger here and you're constantly seething about America. Did we not let you in or something? What's the brick on your shoulder?
>>542857305>The simple truth is that while western tanks are more complex than Russian ones, that complexity is itself not more expensive because it's coming from a technological and industrial base that's more advanced and more capable.That's simply incorrect. Complexity is why those tanks are more expensive, and the industrial base isn't always more capable either. For example Challenger was manufactured using hundreds of small specialized subcontractors, and nothing about that was ever remotely scalable or cost effective.
>>542848747Europe emptied its cold war stocks, it's gone kike, who do you think you are fooling? Lol
>>542847430How did he take a picture of his own phone?
>>542847430>One time it didn't face sand-niggers it got humiliatedFrankly NATO equipment humiliates itself in Iran too, so even my sand-nigger assumption is wrong...Tbf tho, saying without bias it's all because of drones and terrain
>>542847430You've never held a handtool in your life you powerbottom faggot.Also it only takes two 25mm autocannons to disable a russian T-90m which is far and away the pinnacle of russian armorL M F A O Kys vatnik
>>542849571>>542849044Always count on nafo troons to dump their gay porn folders as soon as they get a little butthurt.
>>542857305the main difference is in armor and gunwestern tanks are heavier, have 1 more crew member and worse armor coveragerussian tanks have more dence armor coverage and more powerful gun as a result HE shells are 30% more powerfullwar showed that western tanks cant be used for assaults at allits something like this from my observationt-90 > t-80 > t-72 ~ abrams > ukrainian t-64 > leopard > t-55 > challenger 2ambrams had more powerful engine so it was possible to turn it into turtle tank and add explosive amorleopards were mostly useless, challenger 2 - total failure
>>542847430What kind of camo is that tank wearing? It looks like a challenger but has an American flag on it. Bad shoop
>>542858012leopards 2 - all modifications, its just outdated design, it cant be improved
>>542855485Except Russia is winning in every category. They have Ukraine locked in an attritional conflict that is destroying their military, political, and logistical capabilities. The US and its vassal states in NATO decided to play this game of attacking Russia through proxies and now Russia is giving them a taste of their own medicine.Odesa is effectively landlocked with not a single cargo ship in sight. Kiev is getting struck almost every night in unprecedented barrages that have wiped out most of Ukraine’s logistical warehouses. Not to mention of the destruction of all major refineries and gas stations which Ukraine uses to supply its troops in the Donbas meat grinder.Regarding Russia’s strategic objectives, the Ukrainian state has basically collapsed. The only thing that sustains it is the military apparatus and the war. Even then we can already see the vultures circling the rotten corpse of the Ukrainian state. The SBU and GUR have gotten into firefights in the capital and bombed each other’s headquarters. Just like Russia in 1917 or the Byzantines in the 1300s. Though full denazification can only be achieved through the seizure of Kiev.
>>542858012>war showed that western tanks cant be used for assaults at allSOUNDS LEGIT BRO WHY DONT YOU POST WITH YOUR NATIONS FLAG YOU JEW COWARD
>>542858164I can't wait for Russians to invade your fake sissy country and rape to death all your women and children xdddddd
>>542847430Tranny hands, why are pido-russians like this?
>>542857518Why would anyone bother hauling a burned out hulk to Moscow?
>>542848747>Ukraine had not much armory to begin withLol this is incredible wishful cope. Ukraine had the strongest military in Europe (besides Russia) prior to the SMO. They were building up for 8 years in additional to all the Soviet weaponry they inherited from the golden days.
>>542849288Cia scriptwriters working overtime that day, gaybars empty.
>>542857674Given the production numbers of who knows how many T-14s were actually built, and only around 30 BMPTs while they were regularly shown off as the future of Russian armor, it’s pretty obvious the Russians thought they had some new cutting-edge equipment. The fact that the T-14 disappeared years before the war in Ukraine suggests it was probably shelved for being far too complex to be worth mass-producing, something that has regularly killed Russian tank concepts in the past.The BMPT also more or less exists in its own weird purgatory, so I wouldn’t be surprised if keeping it around isn’t exactly a priority. My guess is it being treated as old stock they don’t intend to replenish, since the entire project was basically a knee-jerk reaction to create an urban-fighting super weapon.
another thirdie cope thread kek
>>54285793025mm autcannons can blind and disable any tank because optics are vulnerable. That tank was already damaged by FPVs before it encountered the bradleys, and was eventually destroyed by FPVs - the outcome would have been the same if it never even ran into them at all.
>>542858167not a singe western tank managed to reach russian position, not a singlewe have seen all online, no need to get butthurt lol, i told how it isatm russians are testing active protection systems which increase fpv hit requirrements per tanks significantly
>>542855560>let me regurgitate this talking point and ignore everything you say!(You) do realise this is a sign of low IQ, right? I’ve already explained to you that Russia is engaging in an attritional war with Ukraine which is NATO’s “sword, so to speak.Again this is something too abstract and high IQ for you so I don’t expect you to understand it.
>>542847430If they didn't fail, the military industry complex wouldn't make money
>>542858384Think tanks > pod castersSorry faggot
>>542855855What the fuck are you even babbling about, loony troony? Take your meds.
>>542858456Lol mama los huevos mexican lololol
>>542858349T-14 was simply still in the testing phase around the time the war rolled around, waiting around for the active protection system to become finalized, etc. Then the FPV evolution happened.
>>542858369Turn off your VPN gayboy
>>542856009>what is a proxy warYou’re a low IQ pseud!
>>542858623> suspicion always haunts the guilty mindno u, faggot
>>542858652¿Por que no estas tragando la verga?Y tambien, la leche puto maricón
>>542858241Propaganda value, war trophies, and even the technical evaluation of wrecked equipment could yield useful knowledge.Germany maintained displays of captured Allied and Soviet armor for a good but of World War II. Only when the situation grew truly desperate did they begin pressing those battered old display pieces back into combat against the Soviets. The T-35 shown in the photo was found in Berlin and had apparently been pressed into service as a makeshift command bunker.The Germans even kept a number of Italian tanks in their test and display stocks despite the fact that the primary lesson those vehicles offered was just how poor Italian tank design had been.
>>542858810You might be white
>>542848244It was tested in a real battle, though. Or does 73-Easting not count for some cope-fueled reason?
>>542858899>73-EastingFINALLY someone posts some legit America Fuck Yeah
>>542857305LOL an industrial base so advanced and capable it can’t even produce missiles and interceptors effectively. Give me a fucking break! Russia developed its design philosophy long ago back in the Great Patriotic War. Just like the western allies it out-produced Germany and that’s what enabled it to win. Sorry faggot! It’s the truth.
They worked pretty well compared to russian dogshit, considering russia has 0 tanks left.Why do you russhits bricsniggers even spam here all day? Russia has been fighting ukrain for four years and still unable to win, while taking 1.5 million in casualties. A first world power and not a tiny pissant country would assrape you mongoloid HIV niggers so badly that it would be comedic.
>>542858849Russians hauled plenty of Western tanks back to their research labs and museums, but they tend to grab the more complete examples that were immobilized and abandoned. The anon I responded to was celebrating the fact that the leo on display was mostly complete and just threw a track like that means they are invincible.The average tank in this war is disabled by FPVs or mines, abandoned, and then finished off. But here, for example, is a Chally 2 wrecked by a Kornet - in Zapo during the '23 offensive.
>>542847430Even if the vehicles are damaged the crew are protected, instead of being expressed cremated.The crew can always drive other vehicles, dead crew needs to be replaced by newbies.
>>542857760I don’t disagree with you. But to claim that the Soviets got “sidetracked” is disingenuous. The USSR merely tried to catch up in super tank tech, that’s all.It was the Cold War, the two super powers were trying to show off.
>>542859297I don't think anyone made it out of the Chally I posted above. Or this one at Kursk. But the vast majority of the time the crew makes it out of both Russian and NATO tanks. Of course, making it back to your lines is dicey in this drone saturated environment.
>>542857930>Only two tanks and a drone required to damage 1 (one) T90.The absolute deluded state of piggies.
>>542847746i mean, tanks haven't been great since trench warfare
>>542847746>EXPERTS SAY->STUDIES SHOW->IN VIDEOS PUBLISHED-
>>542857991>Obsessing over troons>Calls someone else gay
Reminder that this operative has been at it for at least 11 hours just today. Wonder if he's clocking out at 12th hour or if he does 16 hours shifts
>>542858552>What the fuck are you even babbling aboutI quoted you dipshit
>>542858241Militaries have used captured vehicles for far less. Historical preservers have been pulling wrecks off of firing ranges for decades now to use to rebuild into museum vehicles.
>>542858250And lost it all in just a short time. The entire Ukrainian military has been rebuilt multiple times throughout this war. Russia has completely defeated Ukraine several times already. Only the West keeps Ukraine in the fight by rebuilding their military.
>>542847430Lost miserably at turret tossing.
>>542855560Russia has already won. Ukraine just isn't finished losing. The longer Ukraine persists, the more they lose, in land, in men, and in the existence of their own country.
>>542859410No, they regularly got sidetracked on some really dumb shit.Take the history of the SU-100P, SU-152G, Object 416, and their sister vehicles. In the late 40s and the Soviets were experimenting with new tank destroyers and mobile artillery at a time when the USSR was completely dominating armor design. Fair enough that has real value. The problem is they already had a successful SPG in the ISU-152 series (which they kept in service into the 1980s).The SPG program dragged on into the mid 50s until the competing vehicles were found to be flawed, redundant, or simply pointless, since Soviet MBTs could carry the same guns while being far more versatile. Eventually the SU-100P “won,” but around the same time Khrushchev came in and shitcanned the entire SPG program (again because he preferred his own ultimately failed rocket tank idea).They weren’t really catching up and no meaningful innovations came out of it.cThey spent nearly a decade going in circles and ended up with nothing but wasted time and resources.Every country ends up doing it.
>>542847430>slavniggers struggle to utilize equipment and die en massea story as old as time.
>NATO casualties: 0>Russian casualties: 1,000,000 +looks like they're doing okay
>>542860250The person was gloating that the tank Russians hauled back to Moscow was mostly intact. Of course captured tanks have their uses, but largely intact ones are prioritized for display, reverse engineering, testing, etc.
>>542860692At this point I suspect slavniggers are better at using these things than pamered eurofags are.
>>542859114Enjoy these posts considering zogbots are currently getting fucked by iran and yemen simultaneously. The seethe is so thick you can cut it with a knife.
>>542861752That person is going to be pretty salty when they find out that Russians have plenty of tanks left - and are still producing new ones.
