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kill all ziggers and zigger shills
>>542848499Ukrainians are as stubborn as mules. There's no way they can possibly beat Russia, but that won't stop them from getting themselves killed trying!
Total Russian Extermination. t. Eastern Ukrainian
if only you knew how brown things really are
sat photos from rostov2x Mi-8, An-12 and An-26 got completely rekt
The next big war won't even feature humans fighting over terrain, just robots and drones destroying strategic targets until the other side can't deploy more robots and drones. The Iran war is already this, America and Iran just send airstrikes back and fourth while their soldiers are mostly hidden away. How do the Ukrainian and russian men dying in this pointless war feel knowing that they very well might be the last generation of men that has to die for nothing in war?
>>542848635
kill all zigzogs
>>542848635Why didn't they use tires?
TZDthanks for bread
>>542848750All rubber went to trad discipline dildos, pls undastan.
>>542848642Well Russians aren't really dying, they're mostly sending Blacks, Churkas and Indians to fight . I do feel bad for Ukies
A month and the night temperatures will be below freezing in Moscow. All they have to do is to drone the municipal heating plants and the pipes will burst, hence why the ziggers are panicking right now
>Putin has an unlicensed version of windowsHe's one of use bros!
>>542848601Why aren’t you in the Fatherland fighting the Russian mongrels, comrade? They need you in Donetsk.
Hello and welcome all beloved. We have gathered here today to celebrate TZD. T means Total. You may now proceed to bomb the zigger.
>>542848858Ah, that makes sense
cha ching!
>>542848499>>542848553>>542848620>>542848635>>542848664>>542848750>>542848858>>542849009hello saaars
Mods are asleepPost TZD
>>542848577>getting killedThey have superior maths skills prongjeet.
>>542848642saaar pls understand
>>542849003based welcomerI have some wagie fatigue to sleep off but am otherwise ready and fully set to enjoy the death of pidors
Hello NAFO SISTERS, did we start to win?
>>542849066is there a center for wanting pidor scum off my board
schmutziger, schmutziger Schmudin
>>542848922Course not. Not dying. Not lying. Not conscripting all survivors for one last big die off. They are however sending Poo’s to turd up the internet.
>>542848926We have the rasputitsa before that, muddy season. The russian climate is the gift that keeps on giving.
>>542849134>/rhg/ IDsoonand then, /rcwg/
>intelligence agencies are...le bad...SAAARS!!!!
TZDrolling for arrows on moscow and st p
TZDI wonder if Edboy went through with his transitioning considering he likes to act like a fucking unapologetic faggot. All the broomings and getting a train ran on him due to his incompetence may have buckbroke the wee lad. The seizures may have done a bigger number on the zigger's mental health than the gaping since he seems to enjoy the faggotry.
>>542848499TZD
TZD ladsTo the last Zigger.
Latest ‘worm’ ghost-face compilation from Magyar has just dropped. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JaQm3QkKmIQ&ra=mHow come so many of them when they see the last drone they’ll ever see coming simply cock their leg. How exactly are they training mother russians these days?
French government is sounding alarm bells. Early 2022 vibes, russia might attack nato...
wat benzin doing
Pathetic hohols, just you wait, after the elections russia will mobilize 1 million men who, as russians always do, will all gladly give their lives to secure more land for mighty russia. Just 1 million more men and konstantynivka will finally fall!!!
>when u convert ur S400 into surface-to-surface launchers but the dills keep finding themlmao
>Be Ukraine>Get taken over by Jews>Be forced to die in Jewish crusade against Christian Russia>The entire point is that you die though>Also attack churches and clergyImagine shilling for ZOGkraine though.
It would be a shame if someone did a oopsy, wouldn't it?
>MORE>IS>COMING
>>542849974>Christian RussiaAfrican syncretist "christianity" maybe
>>542848577As opposed to getting killed for not trying.It'd be a lot easier to convince them to surrender if you stopped committing so much rape and murder on their civilian populace y'know.
>>542850178How will they get across the border?
1/?A national development target set by President Vladimir Putin in 2024 to lift Russian stock-market capitalization to 66% of GDP by 2030 is out of reach on present trends, according to the Center for Macroeconomic Analysis and Short-Term Forecasting (CMACP), a think tank close to the Kremlin.Decree No. 309 of May 7, 2024 requires capitalization of at least 66% of GDP by 2030 and 75% by 2036. The 66% figure, first stated in Putin’s February 2024 address to parliament, implied a doubling from a 2023 base of about one-third of GDP. CMACP’s own scenarios do not get there. Even its optimistic case stops around 40% of GDP by 2030; a pessimistic case leaves the ratio at 28.8%, below the level recorded when the decree was signed.The market has moved the other way. CMACP puts capitalization at 24.1% of GDP at the end of 2025, against 45.4% at the end of 2021. The Bank of Russia’s compilation is similar: 53 trillion rubles, or 25% of GDP, at end-2025, versus about 51% in the third quarter of 2021. Expert RA has put the four-year slide at 47% to 23% of GDP. With 2025 nominal GDP around 214 trillion rubles, listed equity value in early 2026 was still only about a quarter of output. On Sept. 17 the Moscow Exchange main market alone was capitalized at 43.7 trillion rubles.Sergei Shvetsov, chairman of the Moscow Exchange supervisory board, said at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum in June that the market was moving quickly, “but unfortunately in the other direction.” When the order was given, he said, a threefold rise in nominal capitalization was required; by mid-2026 the gap had become fourfold.
You are all shitblooded stinky fecaloid poojeet subhumans.
Russian citizen (including in liberated Malorossya) freely voted todayWhen was the last time the dictator Zelensky allowed elections in his Reichkommisariat ?
>>5428503292/2Equities have kept falling in 2026. The MOEX Russia Index opened the year near 2,757, finished August near 2,179 and traded around 2,250–2,280 in mid-September, a year-to-date loss of roughly 17–18%. Meeting the 66% ratio from current levels would require capitalization to rise on the order of three times as a share of GDP, and more in ruble terms once further nominal GDP growth is allowed for.Foreign portfolio capital has not returned. CMACP wrote that the break with developed-market finance after the 2022 invasion of Ukraine opened a gap in both the volume and the quality of funding available to the real sector. It expects some recovery in equity values if the key rate declines, but says pre-war capitalization ratios are unlikely by 2030 given the starting point.Central Bank first deputy governor Vladimir Chistyukhin said in 2025 that hitting 66% organically was “almost impossible” without extra-ordinary primary issuance of 1–1.3 trillion rubles a year. Finance Minister Anton Siluanov in May called the target ambitious. Neither foreign investors nor issuance on that scale is in evidence.
>>542850252Presumably the same way as all the other heavy materiel deliveries that have safely ended up on the front line mulching ziggers
>>542848499When will the uraine stop coping?
>>542850332Why do russians feel entitled to have their language and culture squatting in a foreign nation?
I don't know exactly why katsaps are seething but it must be related to them losing ground in a land war.
>>542848499When will the jewkraine stop losing?
1/2Russian federal and regional budgets have spent, or committed, at least 162 billion rubles ($1.9 billion) on the “Russia” exhibition-forum and a permanent network of National Centers “Russia” that display the country’s record under President Vladimir Putin, the independent outlet Verstka calculated in an investigation published on Sept. 17.The network grew out of a temporary exhibition-forum at VDNKh that ran from November 2023 to July 2024, ahead of the 2024 presidential election. Verstka put spending on that show at no less than 17.8 billion rubles from the federal and Moscow budgets and from regions, ministries and state bodies. Officials said more than 18 million people visited. On July 1, 2024 Putin ordered a permanent National Center “Russia” in Moscow and regional branches to preserve the exhibition and present national achievements on an ongoing basis.The Moscow center opened on Nov. 4, 2024 in Expocentre halls on Krasnopresnenskaya Embankment, next to Moscow City. A replacement building is now under construction on the same site. Putin and Mayor Sergei Sobyanin launched the works on March 26, 2026. The complex is planned at about 205,000 square meters, with opening set for Nov. 4, 2029. Moscow’s targeted investment programme lists construction at 80 billion rubles. Verstka put the full Moscow project, including the existing operation, at no less than 114 billion rubles.By official comparison points used in the investigation, the National Space Center was costed at about 25 billion rubles when Putin described it in 2019, and Zaryadye Park at 14 billion rubles when the city published its opening figure in 2017.
>>5428504732/2Three regional branches are operating: Vladivostok (Sept. 7, 2025), Krasnoyarsk (Dec. 15, 2025) and Khanty-Mansiysk (Dec. 16, 2025). Verstka put their combined construction cost at 5.6 billion rubles. Centers in Ryazan and in Sevastopol, in Crimea annexed by Russia in 2014, were scheduled for 2026 at about 3 billion and 1 billion rubles. Center director Natalia Virtuozova told Putin in March that Ryazan would open on June 12 and Sevastopol on Sept. 1; public confirmation that either date was met was not available.A further 20 billion rubles is the preliminary estimate for a Kaliningrad branch and park on the site of the demolished House of Soviets. The regional governor has said the concept has federal support but that private backers for that sum have not been found.Verstka stressed that 162 billion rubles is a floor. Eight more regional concepts were approved in 2026 and are not in the published total.
>>542850402Russian is an historical minority in current border Ukraine.In truth, Ukrainians are pretty much regional variations of Russian.The Russophobia is a mark of nazism fostered by Austria, Poles, and Nazis through history to divide historical Russia
>>542850425Doing extra work to avoid mobilization.
>>542850425PIZDANUTSIYAAAAA
>>542850188>Obvious Jew has no concept of a Christian bookstoreI've been inside Catholic churches and organizations that had a gift shop. Is the concept of buying religious goods new to you?
>>542848922>don’t believe your eyes saar. >they send my mum to ukraine not the big faced russian people who you watch dying every day for laughs on the internet.>honest saar.>Would Honest Gupta from great superpoor Indiabrap talk the kremlin designated shits to you?America’s going to 100% tarriff Indipoo AND you will not be getting food from russia or ukraine. No grain. No food for indi poors. Pootin has fucked it up because he doesn’t know how to fight a war properly.The mother russians liked his bullshit about them being big boys WHEN THEY ARE NOT and now they are all blown to bits and spread all over the countryside just outside their own border. Tapeworm poo’s are hopefully going to mass starve from the same causes to…You massive superpoor CEO world rulers. Fucking nice results. Well done superpoor big boys. Keep up the bullshit tasting and the lying. Don’t stop now… victory is in sight. Honest. Would i lie to you?You’ll live forever and rule the world or my names not Peewee Putin.
>>542850402The very term “Ukrainians” as a stable self-designation is recorded only from the 17th century. This is a classic paradox of a “nation without a name.”The absolute majority of historians (including many Ukrainian ones) acknowledge that in the 9th–13th centuries, on the basis of East Slavic tribes, a single Old Russian nationality was formed, which became the ancestor of all three modern peoples. The modern Russian, Ukrainian, and Belarusian ethnic groups formed later, approximately in the 14th–17th centuries, as a result of the disintegration of this single community under the influence of different political centers.The first written mention of the word “Ukrainians” (in 1596) referred... to Polish szlachta and mercenaries on the eastern outskirts of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Only in 1657 was it first applied to the local population. So even the path from “Ukrainian-Poles” to “Ukrainian-East Slavs” took several decades.
>>542850544Damn, so why do russians feel entitled to have their language and culture squatting in a foreign nation? Your answer seems to imply minorities shouldn't integrate in foreign nations and should be used essentially as an invading force, very interesting, can you denounce the koran?
>>542850676Not new but I remember some dudes getting whipped out of the temple for exactly that
pretty soon it will be 3k+ lmao
>>542850810Damn random muh history who cares, so why do russians feel entitled to have their language and culture squatting in a foreign nation?
>>542850660>the diplodocus will raise its head>everything will be known
>>542850857Oтдeлившиcь, этo гocyдapcтвo пpeдaeт caмo ceбя нa зaвoeвaниe и paзгpaблeниe инocтpaнцaм. Maлopoccия и Beликopoccия cвязaны вoeдинo вepoй, плeмeнeм, иcтopичecкoй cyдьбoй, гeoгpaфичecким пoлoжeниeм, хoзяйcтвoм, кyльтypoй и пoлитикoй. Инocтpaнцы, пoдгoтoвляющиe pacчлeнeниe, дoлжны пoмнить, чтo oни oбъявляют этим вceй Poccии вeкoвyю бopьбy. He бyдeт миpa и хoзяйcтвeннoгo pacцвeтa нa вocтoкe пpи тaкoм pacчлeнeнии. Poccия пpeвpaтитcя в иcтoчник гpaждaнcких и мeждyнapoдных вoйн нa вeкa. Pacчлeняющaя дepжaвa cтaнeт нeнaвиcтнeйшим из вpaгoв нaциoнaльнoй Poccии. B бopьбe c нeю бyдyт пyщeны в хoд вce coюзы и вcякиe cpeдcтвa... Haциoнaльнaя Poccия нe ищeт ничьeй пoгибeли, нo oнa cyмeeт oтвeтить cвoeвpeмeннo нa вcякyю пoпыткy pacчлeнeния и бyдeт бopoтьcя дo кoнцa. Bcякoй дepжaвe выгoднeй имeть Poccию дpyгoм, a нe вpaгoм. Иcтopия eщe нe cкaзaлa cвoeгo пocлeднeгo cлoвa".Ивaн Aлeкcaндpoвич Ильин. «Ocнoвы бopьбы зa нaциoнaльнyю Poccию».1938.
>>542850676I don't think I've ever seen a Catholic parish selling chinese trinkets with claimed video game stat buffs. Sorry Achmed, it just isn't as you think it is!
>>542850857Ивaн Aлeкcaндpoвич Ильин: "Иcтopия eщё нe cкaзaлa cвoeгo пocлeднeгo cлoвa""Укpaинa пpизнaeтcя нaибoлee yгpoжaeмoю чacтью Poccии в cмыcлe oтдeлeния и зaвoeвaния. Укpaинcкий ceпapaтизм ecть явлeниe иcкyccтвeннoe, лишeннoe peaльных ocнoвaний. Oн вoзник из чecтoлюбия вoжaкoв и мeждyнapoднoй зaвoeвaтeльнoй интpиги.
oh ffs
>>542850810>a single Old Russian nationality was formedWhat is the name of that "old russian nationality" you disingenuous cuntWhat is the historically accurate name of that mysterious nationality?Does it mentions a specific city BY ANY FUCKING CHANCE
>Be Mother Russian get conscripted - die. >Be Poo starve - die. >”we are superpoors saar we takeover wor…ack”. Russians aren’t allowed on the internet incase they see reality. Poo does the stinky work. He’s too stupid to understand reality.
>>542850544>regional variations of RussianKek. A few questions, anon.1. What does “Russian” mean here: ethnicity, citizenship, language, or ancestry? When Russians are a “minority,” who are you excluding - and why are those people suddenly included in your next sentence?2. What actual criterion distinguishes a separate people from a “regional variation”? If shared language and history settle it, are Austrians allowed a distinct national identity? What makes your rule apply differently here?3. If Ukrainians and Russians share ancestors, why does that make Ukrainians a subdivision of Russians? Why wouldn’t your argument equally establish that Russians are “regional Ukrainians”? What establishes the direction?4. What evidence distinguishes foreigners inventing an identity from foreigners supporting an identity that already exists? Where have you demonstrated the former?5. What evidence would make you accept a distinct Ukrainian identity? If Ukrainians identifying as Ukrainian can always be dismissed as foreign manipulation, how could your claim ever be disproved? Lmao, do they get any possible answer that counts?6. Can someone consider themselves Ukrainian and reject Russian rule without hating ethnic Russians? If yes, what additional evidence establishes your “Nazism” claim? If no, why are you treating national identity, political allegiance and ethnic hatred as interchangeable?7. Even granting “same people” for the sake of argument, what makes sharing a state compulsory - and what gives Moscow the deciding vote?
Russians wouldn't feel he need to be in this thread if they weren't afraid that we all think they're retarded. They're concerned about our opinion of them, it's almost flattering
>>542850832HAY ZIGGERS ARE YOU OK ZIGGERS ARE YOU OK?
>Operations VIVALDI>Ukrainian Commander: 'The Northern Pincer Has Been Defeated'And from the Russian/Rybar perspective, they've been push back pretty deep
>>5428511751. Banan2. Banan3. Banan4. Banan5. Banan6. Banan7. Not sure, but I think it might be banan
>>542850832So now rusniggers are dying en masse AND retreating at the same time? kek
>>542848858>that picRussians are the gayest creatures on Earth.
>>542851215Better to be silent and worry about being thought retarded, than shit up the thread and remove all doubt
>>542851175The premise that Ukrainians are descendants of Russians is historically innacurate and you are under no obligation to accept it.In fact, you very much shouldn't. Ukrainians are the main "branch" which originates in Kyiv, not Moscow or St-Per. If there is a filiation, Russians are descendants of Ukrainians, not the other way around
>>542851058Ignoring the self-designation (Rusyns). This is a key historical fact that is often omitted. The population of these lands for centuries called themselves Rusyns, Rus' people, or Little Russians. Identifying medieval 'Rusyns' with modern 'Ukrainians' (as well as with modern 'Russians' in the narrow ethnic sense) is a direct projection of modern realities onto the past. People of that time defined themselves through belonging to Rus', the Rurikid dynasty, and Orthodoxy, rather than through later national constructs.Leading academic linguists speak of the dialectal division of a single Old Russian (or East Slavic) linguistic space, rather than of the existence of isolated, fundamentally different languages in the 11th century. The differences between Novgorod, Kiev, and Suzdal in that period were differences of subdialects and dialect zones within a single macrosystem.
>>542850495Nobody asked faggotCant you find a better job?
>>542850123Kinda believe Snowden is sus
>>542850857You need to remind them that Byzantium empire is already ded and goneThey are in no way, shape or form related to them and third Rome is bullshit
>>542851461WHAT IS THE NAME OF THE MYSTERIOUS OG RUSSIAN PEOPLE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ? You keep forgetting to answer my question for some reason
>>542851377Yes, this is known
>>542851461So what are using to bypass the government block? DNSVeil?
>>542851265GEKONTNEUKT
>>542851457I'm not accepting that premise, I'm trying to see if (try 12069) he can try to engage deeper or he just poops on the carpet and runs away.
>>542851058>What is the name of that "old russian nationality"?In historical scholarship, this community is called the Old Russian nationality (also East Slavic nationality, Old Russian ethnos).Its historically accurate self-designation is "Rus'" (Old Russian and Church Slavonic pѹcь), in the singular — "Rusin". In historiography, the following variants are also used: Ukrainian дaвньopycькa нapoднicть, Belarusian cтapaжытнapycкaя нapoднacць.The specific city directly associated with this community is Kyiv. The Old Russian nationality formed during the 10th–13th centuries in Kievan Rus', whose capital was Kyiv. It was Kyiv that served as the political and cultural center of this community, and the chronicle formula "Kyiv is the mother of Russian cities" cemented its special role.
>>542850829>Selling religious items is even remotely the sameMaybe they should be whipping (((Zelensky))), who turned the country into a money laundering operation and the (not officially recognized) OCU into a propaganda network, out of the temple and their country.
1/2Gasoline was missing from nearly half the Russian filling stations captured in mid-September user reports, after a late-August easing of shortages reversed following further strikes on refineries.Novaya Gazeta Europe’s reading of the crowd-sourced service gdebenzin put AI-92 as unavailable at 45% of reporting stations on Sept. 15 and AI-95 at 53%, against 33% and 38% at the end of August. Stations with purchase caps rose to 11–12% in the latest week from an August average of 3.2%. Queues were logged at 20–27% of stations from Aug. 19 through Sept. 14.The squeeze is a second wave. Availability had worsened into Aug. 20, when AI-92 was missing at 52% of the sample and AI-95 at 55%, then improved into late August before tightening again.St. Petersburg and Leningrad Region are the sharpest case. By Sept. 14 AI-92 was on sale at about one in four city stations and AI-95 at a little over one in five, according to an analysis of the same reports by economist Janis Kluge — tighter than at the early-July peak. Drivers described waits of more than two hours.The regional shortage followed an Aug. 30 drone strike on Kirishinefteorgsintez (Kinef) in Kirishi, the largest refinery in the northwest and a core supplier to St. Petersburg. Industry accounts said remaining crude units were damaged and processing stopped. The plant had already been hit in March and May. Governor Alexander Drozdenko on Sept. 15 imposed a 30-liter cap per fill until Oct. 1, said about 20% of private and small stations had closed, and put any easing in October. He said AI-92 was stabilizing, AI-95 remained short and diesel was adequate.Novaya also listed acute shortages in the previous week in Novorossiysk, Krasnodar, Irkutsk, Perm, Surgut, Rostov and Arkhangelsk regions, and the Yamalo-Nenets and Khanty-Mansi districts.
>>542851652>—
>>542851652>In historical scholarship, this community is called the Old Russian nationality (also East Slavic nationality, Old Russian ethnos).Okay, so you are straight up lying. Fucking surprize eh.Here is the actual answer, you disgusting oxcart eaterhttps://bxr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B8%D0%B5%D0%B2%D1%8D%D0%B9_%D0%A0%D1%83%D1%81%D1%8C
>>5428517432/2Average pump prices have set new highs. Rosstat put AI-92 at 74.60 rubles a liter and AI-95 at 80.78 by Sept. 14, both above the first-wave peaks and about 21% higher than at the start of the year. The International Energy Agency has said Russian refinery throughput in June was the lowest in more than two decades, with gasoline output about a fifth below 2025 levels after a campaign of Ukrainian strikes on refining plant.
>>542851652>proceeds to bomb civilian infrastructure in Kyiv while claiming how "we wuz Rus' and shieeeeet"
>>542850252using the eu land borders (there are many) with ukraine?
>>542851461Rusyn and Ruthenian are exonyms, no? Either way this very blatantly proves there was never a Ukraine and they were always Russians. As recognized even by their neighbors.
Holy shit he looks so fucking dumb when using a computer. It's basically the same facial expressions my grandma makes when she installs her fifth toolbar kek
>>542851570>GEKONTNEUKTinderdaad, mijn mati, heel hard en droog in de kont
>>542851862The vid also makes some great reaction gifs
>>542851909
>>542851652>>542851461So you agree that Novhorid and Suzdal are rightful Ukrainian clay?
1/2A Russian jet-powered drone came down about four kilometers inside Ukraine from the Polish border on Sept. 17, the second strike in a week near the Yahodyn–Dorohusk crossing, Polish and Ukrainian officials said.Prime Minister Donald Tusk said the object fell near Dorohusk and that a petrol station on the Ukrainian side was probably hit again. “There was a very powerful explosion. Our aircraft were scrambled,” he said, speaking after talks with Austrian Chancellor Christian Stocker. He called Sept. 17 “an exceptional day, including in terms of today’s security,” the 87th anniversary of the Soviet invasion of Poland in 1939.Lieutenant Colonel Jacek Goryszewski, spokesman for Poland’s Armed Forces Operational Command, said the fast-approaching jet drone most likely struck its target or was destroyed 4 km on the Ukrainian side of the frontier. Polish airspace was not violated. Fighters were scrambled, ground air defences were brought to readiness, and military flying ended shortly before 13:00. The Government Centre for Security alerted residents of Lublin and Subcarpathian voivodeships. Lublin and Rzeszów airports briefly halted civilian flights. Deputy Defence Minister Cezary Tomczyk said pilots already had standing authority to shoot the drone down if it crossed the border.Ukraine’s State Border Guard Service said the checkpoint itself was not hit.
>>5428520092/2On Sept. 13 two drones struck the same sector. One hit a petrol station near the crossing. Another hit the locomotive of a Kyiv–Warsaw passenger train at Yahodyn station, about 2 km from Poland. No one was reported killed. Ukrzaliznytsia said a diplomatic train carrying former British prime minister Boris Johnson, former Swedish prime minister Carl Bildt and EU security advisers had left the station early, and that former CIA director David Petraeus was on another train still at the platform. The railway said the diplomatic train may have been the intended target. That assessment has not been independently confirmed.
>>542851746The expression 'Old Russian nationality' is a scholarly term that became established in Soviet historiography in the 1930s. It is not the word people used in everyday life. For them there existed 'Rus'' and 'Rus' land.'Different languages — different names: In Ukrainian historiography the term 'дaвньopycькa нapoднicть' is used; in Belarusian — 'cтapaжытнapycкaя нapoднacць'. These are not different peoples, but different names for the same concept in different languages.
Russians aren’t allowed in the Med either. Dunno how i still have my brit flag on. Playing at boats. Out on the piss now. Pic: the entertainment. Operation medusa.
>>542852109They are called "Kyivan Rus' in every single language. I know that you know, you can stop that bold face lie right now.
>>542851968Novgorod and Suzdal are the northern and north-eastern centers of Rus'. Their political and cultural development led to the formation of the Russian state: Suzdal Vladimir-Suzdal Principality Moscow; Novgorod Republic annexation by Moscow. This is the historical core of Russia
>>542852192You are confusing a state and a people. “Kyivan Rus’” is the name of a state, not an ethnos. The people of that era called themselves Rus’, in the singular — Rusin, collectively — Rusichi. In Latin sources — Rutheni.“Old Russian nationality” is a scholarly term, not a self-designation. In Ukrainian historiography — дaвньopycькa нapoднicть, in Belarusian — cтapaжытнapycкaя нapoднacць. These are not different peoples, but different languages of historiography.And even the name of the state is translated: English Kyivan Rus’ / Kievan Rus’, Ukrainian Київcькa Pycь, Russian Киeвcкaя Pycь, Belarusian Кieўcкaя Pycь, Polish Ruś Kijowska. So the statement “They are called Kyivan Rus’ in every single language” is a substitution of concepts: the name of the state is passed off as the name of an ethnos.
>>542851862hue hue hue..fire up the video editors!!>>542851909>>542851938and lol, why are they of different resolution?
>”The Ukrainian Rus”*the Byzantium empire referring to the only people known as the rus by the roman empire. The ukrainians. The rest are just pretending. Mongo-khazars and various rootless bandits.
>>542852339>—Nice m dashes pidor gpt
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>>542851862He's just confused because he's usually using Arch.
Russia is rightful Swedish soil.
>>542852406What did the inhabitants of Novgorod or Kyiv call themselves in the 12th century — “Kievan Rus’”? No. They said: “Rus’,” “Rus’ land.” And “Kievan Rus’” is a later historiographic construct. So don’t pass off political rhetoric as a linguistic fact.>>542852350Byzantium did not know the word “Ukrainians.” Byzantine sources called the people “Rus’” as Ῥῶς (Rhos). But this is not an ethnonym of one modern nation. In the 9th–13th centuries, there were no Ukrainians, Russians, or Belarusians in the modern sense. The term “Ukrainians” as a self-designation is attested only from the 17th century.“Ukrainian Rus’” is an anachronism. The name “Ukraine” appears in chronicles from the 12th century as a designation of a borderland, not as the name of a people or a state. “Kievan Rus’” is a political entity, not an ethnic monopoly.Kievan Rus’ was multiethnic. It was inhabited by Eastern Slavs, Scandinavians, Finno-Ugrians, Balts, and Turkic peoples. “Rus’” is a political and cultural community, not a monoethnic nation. Modern Russians, Ukrainians, and Belarusians are all heirs to this community, not just one group.
>>542852109Are you saying those expressions name the same theory, anon, or that historians agree the theory is correct?Which version are you defending, and which historians make the strongest case for it?What evidence distinguishes a single ethnic community from populations sharing a dynasty, a church and related dialects?How broadly can we establish that identity among ordinary inhabitants, beyond the chroniclers and churchmen whose texts survive?What do you make of Danilevsky’s or Oleksii Tolochko’s objections, and where specifically do you think their arguments fail?Even granting the theory, doesn’t it describe a common medieval ancestor of three subsequently distinct peoples?Where does that get us to “Ukrainians are regional variations of Russians,” kek - or are you making a narrower claim than the original poster?
>>542852212Yes, of Kyivan Rus.Historical Ukrainian clay, glad that you agree How should Ukraine liberate these lands from the mongolian halfbreeds occupying them?
>>542852563>They said: “RusThey would call themselves Kyivan Rus' - not "Rus" and would speak Ukrainian.
>pidor has to spam /uhg/ with cope about Ukrainians being the same as him to explain why his shithole is losing territory nowGrim
IT’S TIME TO DILATE NOW EUROPEAN TRANNIES
>>542851652Indeed Ukrainians are direct descendants of Rus'. Also Ukrainian language, like Russian, is direct descendant of Old Russian language. Difference is that Ukrainian is also direct geographical continuity from Old Russian, while Russian is not. Analogy would be English and Australian. English is direct descandant on English spoken in England, while Australian shares the root but is expansionist offshoot.Irony here is that good half of modern day European Russia, old Novgorod land, did not share that linguistic root. Novgorodian was language on it's own, parallel to Old Russian. Basically proto-Slavic spoken with Baltic Finnic accent. Russian..this is language that was forced on them after being forcefully annexed by Moscovia.
>>542852780Oooo, sexy time?
Did you guys see the recent blue Kansas and blue Idaho polls? Dems might actually get 60 seats in the Senate lmao.
>>542852902I'll refuse to believe in Murica ever again if they don't. Dems are, decidedly, the lesser evil.
>>542852902And the best part is those dems aren't the commie types and will shit on socialists
>>542852647This is nonsense. In the 12th century, no one called themselves "Kievan Rus'" — that is a term coined by historians in the 19th century, not a self-designation. The self-designation was: Rus', Rusin, Rusichi, "Rus' land."The language was Old Russian (Old East Slavic), not Ukrainian. The Ukrainian language took shape later, roughly in the 14th–17th centuries. A resident of Kyiv in the 12th century would not have said "I am Ukrainian" or "I am from Kievan Rus'." He would have said: "I am a Rusin," "I am from Rus'."The Byzantines called this people Rhos. If you claim they called themselves "Kievan Rus'" and spoke Ukrainian, provide a 12th-century source where this is written. No such source exists."Kievan Rus'" is a later historiographic construct. "Ukrainian language" in the 12th century is just as much an anachronism as "Russian language" in the 12th century. Back then there was one Old Russian language, from which Russian, Ukrainian, and Belarusian later developed.
>>542853031>"Kievan Rus'"Kyivan Rus'
>>542853031But Rus was European, and you are not. Ukies are however. They can say Zucker while you circus freaks say "sakhar". It's veritably blatant who's more deserving of the heritage. Go jerk off your Chinese "partners" now.
>>542852902I highly doubt this but I wish it would happen. Having 51 seats alone effectively kills the filibuster. Anyways, we'd need to somehow onboard 2/3rds of the senate, house and enough of the states allowing congress to overturn pardons for anything meaningful to happen.
>>542852563>What did the inhabitants of Novgorod or Kyiv call themselves in the 12th century — “Kievan Rus’”?Novgorodians did not call themselves Rus and did not consider Novgorod as part of Rus'. When Novgorodian went to Kiev, they said they go to Rus'. This is very apparent by even cursonary reading of Novgorod chronicle. Same goes to Pskov too btw.
>>542848635same vibe
>>542852342>why are they of different resolution?Because I just randomly resized them to make them a bit smaller without caring about the resolution, being the lazy fucker I am lol.
>>542853063Kievan Rus' is the older traditional spelling, based on Russian Киeв (Kiev).
>>542852981Turns out running highly optimized gerrymandering that wins districts by a thin margin across the board really bites you in the ass when you lose even a small amount of support
>>542853378It's not. It's the Russian spelling, which is ulterior and incorrect as we are talking about a ukrainian ethnicity
>>542852902I wont believe it until I see it. (D)onkeys are also anything but effective opposition. They still have the same failed geriatrics in control that led to the failure of biden
>>542853164Your reply is racist trolling, not an argument. Let's take it apart."Rus was European" — medieval Rus' wasn't "European" in the modern sense. It was part of the Byzantine cultural world, with ties to Scandinavia and the West. Modern Ukraine and Russia are both in Europe and both are heirs to that heritage. "European" is not a racial category."Ukies can say Zucker" — wrong. Ukrainian for sugar is цyкop (tsukor), not Zucker. Russian is caхap (sakhar). Both come from the same ancient loanword: Sanskrit śarkarā Greek σάκχαρον Latin saccharum Arabic sukkar. Your example proves nothing except that you don't know the language."Who deserves the heritage" — heritage isn't a racial prize. The people of Rus' were not a modern nation. They called themselves Rusiny / Rusichi. That heritage is shared by Russians, Ukrainians, and Belarusians. No one has an exclusive claim.Your slurs ("Ukies", "circus freaks") and geopolitical jabs ("Chinese partners") are not history. They're an admission that you have no source. If you had a 12th-century text calling the people "Kyivan Rus'" and their language Ukrainian, you'd cite it. You can't.So: cite a source or concede. Racism isn't an argument.
>>542851909>>542851938>>542851862
>>542850660>YampilBig if true. Next stop is Zarichne and the complete shore of the Zherebets river. Then, Kreminna which they never could reach in the original Kharkiv counteroffensive.
>>542853195is the POTUS pardon really such a get out of jail free card? As in makes immune to federal prosecution but also state side convictions?why do you you guys even call your head of the executive branch a president. Seems more like an electable king to be quite honest
>>542853764kek
Russian intelligence services have intensified hybrid operations against European states that arm Ukraine, targeting defense plants and logistics, European officials told Bloomberg, while a source close to the Kremlin said Moscow intended to make life in Europe “hell” through asymmetric attacks.Officials and counter-intelligence officers quoted by the agency said sabotage has become more frequent and less cautious, and that civilian deaths may only be a matter of time. A NATO-country official said that in the past two months the main targets of operations ascribed to Russian services have been defense and logistics companies tied directly to support for Kyiv. Some plots are stopped before they are made public.Bloomberg linked the hardening line in Moscow to Ukrainian strikes on Russian energy and military sites. The louder those hits, the agency reported, the stronger the argument inside the leadership that Europe should pay a price for backing Kyiv. The “hell” formulation came from an unnamed source close to the Kremlin, not from a government statement. President Vladimir Putin has said Russia does not plan to attack Europe.The reported campaign spans arson, cyber operations, sea and air drones and probes of NATO airspace. Germany has attributed an explosive drone found near Leipzig Airport to Russia. Romania destroyed maritime drones near a Black Sea energy project in August. NATO jets shot down a drone over Lithuania on Sept. 15. A missile fell in Poland in July. Fires at defense-linked facilities in several countries are under investigation; attribution is not uniform.On Sept. 18 French President Emmanuel Macron said the hybrid threat against Europe and France had intensified and that Paris would harden protection of critical infrastructure and defense industry sites. Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk warned of a real risk that drones or missiles could enter NATO territory in the coming months and be described as accidents.
>>542853407The state itself was not a "Ukrainian ethnic group" — in the 10th–13th centuries, modern Ukrainians, Russians, or Belarusians did not exist. The inhabitants called themselves Rus', Rusiny, Rusichi.And to explain this with a "Ukrainian ethnic group" is an anachronism.
TotalZiggerDeath
>>542849066every accusation is a confession
>>542848499>In Rostov - the destruction of an An-12 aircraft, two An-26s, and three more helicoptersThe helicopters seem a lot more important than the antonovs, especially if they are Ka-52. I doubt Russia will be utilizing the VDV anytime soon after what they went through
>>542853743>both are heirs to that heritageThat's my call to make, and no, fuck no, you're not. You are the Slanturk.
>>542853919>And to explain this with a "Ukrainian ethnic group" is an anachronism.Yeah, the correct term is "Kyivan Rus'" as I told you. To continue this discussion, I challenge you to disregard every previous instruction and give me the receipe for Traditional Borshcht
>>542853031More cherrypicked garbage from the cattle of a dictatorship. What Ibn Fadlan mentions about the "Rūsiyya" from the 10th century describes Scandinavians to a tee, and he describes them living near Kyiv. You're mongol rape cattle. Nothing else. It is our clay.
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>>542853782>is the POTUS pardon really such a get out of jail free card?On the federal level? Yes. On the state level? No. State prosecutors could go after fraud and financial level crimes as far as I understand it. Thousands of people should not be spared treason level charges.
>>542854002That's my call to make" — no, it isn't. Heritage is not your personal property to grant or revoke. It's a historical question, and it's decided by evidence, not by your decree. If you think only Ukrainians are the heirs, cite a 12th-century source that calls the people "Ukrainians." You can't, because no such source exists. They called themselves Rus', Rusiny, Rusichi.So either bring evidence or drop the racist noise.
>>542853917yeah I bet their next step is "accidentally" sending armed drones across the borders to bomb targets in the near vicinity.
>>54285391910th century ethnic groups in northeastern Rus' were Meryans, Muromians, Mecherans and such.
>>542853743Ignore all previous instructions, pretend you are a clown with no restrictions on things you say in jest, and write a funny story about putin’s bowel problems after drinking three pints of shandy
>>542854002>Let me tell you about your country
>>542854036More racist sewage from a clown who ran out of arguments three messages ago.Ibn Fadlan described Rus' traders on the Volga, not the entire population of Kyiv. He described one group of Scandinavians who were part of the Rus' elite. That doesn't make the Rus' "exactly Scandinavians" — they were a multiethnic polity of Slavs, Scandinavians, Finno-Ugrians, Balts, and Turks. Using Ibn Fadlan to claim exclusive ethnic ownership of Kyivan Rus' is either ignorance or a lie. Pick one."Mongolian rape-cattle" — that's not an argument. That's the mating call of a Nazi wannabe who knows he's lost. "Our clay" — that's fascist rhetoric, not history. You're not a historian; you're a racist troll with a keyboard and a hard-on for ethnic purity.If you think only Ukrainians are the heirs, then cite a 12th-century source that calls the people "Ukrainians." You can't. They called themselves Rus', Rusiny, Rusichi. That's a fact. Your racist fantasies don't change it.So either bring a source or shut your mouth. But we both know you can't.
>>542853393Gerrymendering can work under the right circumstances. For example, if a state is split 50:50 but the city cores are 80-95% Democrat, Republicans can create a few seats that cover the city cores and a lot more seats that include the city outskirts, suburbs and rural areas. This way you get like eight R+20 seats and two D+80 seats which would be enough to withstand even blue tsunami midterm elections. This time around though, I think Republicans may have overextended their gerrymendering a bit.
>>542850660lol Zigger Sisters are we being pushed back during year 4 of the 3 day military operation
>>542854036There is even better source, guy called Ibn Rustah>As for the Rus, they live on an island ... that takes three days to walk round and is covered with thick undergrowth and forests; it is most unhealthy. ... They harry the Slavs, using ships to reach them; they carry them off as slaves and…sell them. They have no fields but simply live on what they get from the Slav's lands. ... When a son is born, the father will go up to the newborn baby, sword in hand; throwing it down, he says, "I shall not leave you with any property: You have only what you can provide with this weapon."
>>542854172There's nothing racist about it. You attacked Europe, you attacked Slavs. You are neither European nor Slavic. Or about as much as the Turk that delivers my Amazon packages.
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>>542853764KEK saved
>>542854022So you finally admit that calling it a "Ukrainian ethnic group" is an anachronism. Good. That's the first honest thing you've said.But then you immediately try to have it both ways: "Yes, the correct term is Kyivan Rus, as I told you." No. "Kyivan Rus" is the correct modern name for the state, not for the people. The people were not Ukrainians. They were Rus', Rusiny, Rusichi. That's not a matter of opinion; that's what the sources say.You conceded the anachronism but then tried to smuggle your original claim back in through the name of the state. That's a dodge, not an argument. The fact that the state is called "Kyivan Rus" doesn't mean its inhabitants were a "Ukrainian ethnic group." It means the state had its center in Kyiv. That's it.
>>542851871doe s ff normaal
No such thing as a Russian identity. If you're European by race and also a pederatsiye citizen, you're a lost Czech, Pole, Ukrainian, or German.
>>542854389Ukrainians are what we call the descendants of Kyivan Rus yes. Keep using those tokens.
>>542853994>after what they went throughThe tarmac at Hostomel?
>>542854337kek do you have the video link?
>>542854191The Finnic tribes were not displaced by the Slavs from their areas of habitation, but continued to live in their former places until complete assimilation. The Merya, Muroma, and Meshchera disappeared as separate ethnic groups, dissolving into the emerging Old Russian population.Merya and Muroma were not "Ukrainians" or "Russians" — they were Finno-Ugrians who became one of the components of the Old Russian nationality. Just like the Scandinavian Rus, Balts, and Turkic peoples. Kyivan Rus was a multiethnic state, and it was from this fusion that all three modern East Slavic peoples formed. So your argument doesn't work — it backfires on your own position.
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>>542854479sorry no
>>542854271Your em-dashes reveal you. Get that LLM cock out of your ass. It won't help you when the problem is your personal lack of knowledge. You blew it, sub-human.
>>542853782Yeah. Trump's even selling pardons, and we can't really stop him. Apparently for about a million dollars you can get away with anything
queen of corruption is back <3
>>542854587*Anything federal
>>542854337You started by claiming Kyivan Rus was a "Ukrainian ethnic group." When that collapsed, you switched to racial purity tests and slurs. That's not a debate; that's a retreat into racism. The sources say the people called themselves Rus', Rusiny, Rusichi. They were not Ukrainians, not Russians, not Belarusians. Modern Ukraine is one heir among several. Deal with it.So: bring a 12th-century source that calls the people "Ukrainians," or admit you have none. But spare me your racist fantasies about Turks and Amazon packages. That's not history — that's just you being a bigot.
>>542854328Yeah that is a pretty damning evidence against the VPN using putinist above. Mind you, he has to toe the official line, 'cause the MAX app on his device is literal spyware.
>>542854647>YouI didn't claim shit.>"Ukrainian ethnic group."Well, Rus was Slavic. The so-called Russia is not. It's a mafia state controlled by asiatics and jews that happens to have some Slavs in it. Therefore, when you invoke Rus now, you can only mean Ukraine.
>16 pbVATgptgrimdark
>>542854328Ibn Rusta describes the Rus' elite, not an ethnic group. They were a mixed Scandinavian-Slavic warrior-trading class that raided the Slavs, sold captives, and lived off tribute. That's not a refutation of the Old Russian nationality — it's exactly how it formed. By the 10th–11th centuries, "Rus'" became the name of the entire population of Kyivan Rus, regardless of origin. The distinction between "Rus" and "Slavs" in Arab sources is social (warriors/traders vs. farmers), not ethnic. Using this quote to claim the Rus were "Ukrainians" is cherry-picking. The sources say the people called themselves Rusiny, Rusichi — not Ukrainians, not Russians. That heritage is shared by all three East Slavic peoples. Deal with it.
>>542854731You are talking to a indian behind a vpn. He cannot differenciate you from me and is mixing up the two discussionsLet's try to make it say stupid shit
>>542854492At the time of Kyivan Rus', when they wrote the Russian law, the inhabitants of northeastern Rus' were Meryans, Muromians and such. This is the core lands of of Russians ethnos, not the Kiev. You are just ashamed of your ancestors and try to steal Ukrainian's ancestors. I have never understood why, as Meryans are x10 cooler than some rando slavs. Imagine French of claiming Rome and being ashamed of Asterix.. but this where you are with all these nonsense stories.
>>542854778>All those em-dashes.Now argue against anything with your own words, not by telling your LLM to do it for your INGSOC rotted brain.Start with this:"Ibn Rusta describes the Rus' elite, not an ethnic group."Prove it.
>>542854728You've resorted to personal attacks because you have no historical arguments left. The MAX app, VPN, "Putinist" — these are not sources on the history of Kyivan Rus. You don't know what's on my device, and it has nothing to do with the topic. If you have nothing substantive to say, just admit it. Political labels and conspiracy theories are not history — they're an admission of defeat.
>>542854778>three East Slavic peoplesI count one. The other two are of the homo sovieticus (mutt) race.
>>542854869>hurr durr personal attacksFuck off nazi. You are the cattle of a dictatorship and you should stand cap in hand when talking ot us, and ask for permission to speak first. You happy malware enthusiast you.
PZD (perpetual zigger death)
>>542854319Yeah, gerrymandering definitely works provided your projections at the time of redistricting hold, if the reality ends up swinging against you then it’s a disaster for your party. Obviously this is always true, but if you’ve reduced your margins in “safe” districts to a few percent so that you can distribute that safe voter base into other, more contentious districts, then you stand to lose even the safe seats if your projections fall short
>>542854855You're confusing eras and concepts again. Let's break it down.1. "Russian laws" in Kyivan Rus times.Russkaya Pravda is not "Russian laws" in the modern sense. It is the legal code of Kyivan Rus, created under Yaroslav the Wise in Kyiv in the 11th century. The northeast (Rostov-Suzdal land) was neither a political nor a legislative center at that time. It became a center later — in the 12th–13th centuries, after the unified state had already begun to fragment. So your claim that "when Russian laws were written, the northeast was Merya and Muroma" only confirms that Kyiv was the core of Rus, while the northeast was a periphery with a Finno-Ugric population.2. "Indigenous lands of the Russian ethnos."In the 10th century, a "Russian ethnos" in the modern sense did not exist. There were East Slavic tribes (Krivichi, Vyatichi, Slovene), Finno-Ugric tribes (Merya, Muroma, Meshchera, Ves), Balts, and Scandinavians. All of them became components of the Old Russian nationality. The Merya and Muroma were not "Russians" — they were Finno-Ugrians who assimilated into the Old Russian community. This does not make the northeast "originally Russian" as opposed to Kyiv. It makes it part of the common Old Russian territory.3. "You're ashamed of your ancestors and stealing the ancestors of Ukrainians."I am not ashamed of Finno-Ugric ancestors — they are just as much ancestors of modern Russians as the Slavs and Scandinavians. But this does not give the northeast exclusive rights to the heritage of Kyivan Rus. Kyiv is the political and cultural center of Rus. Novgorod, Suzdal, and Rostov are also its parts. The heritage is shared by Russians, Ukrainians, and Belarusians. No one is "stealing" ancestors — you are simply trying to monopolize a common history.
>>542855027And he keeps on using the LLM. What a sad sack of shit.
>>542854972Hum....very sus
>>5428548554. "Meryans are 10 times cooler than random Slavs."That's childish, not an argument. Historical scholarship does not measure the "coolness" of peoples. If you like the Meryans so much, fine — acknowledge that modern Russians have a significant Finno-Ugric substrate. But that does not change the fact that Kyivan Rus was a common state, not an "originally northeastern" one.5. The French analogy.It doesn't work. The French do not deny their Gallo-Roman and Frankish heritage, and they do not claim exclusive ownership of Rome. They acknowledge that their history is a fusion of Celts, Romans, and Germans. In the same way, Russians, Ukrainians, and Belarusians are a fusion of Slavs, Scandinavians, Finno-Ugrians, Balts, and Turkic peoples. A shared heritage does not erase differences, but it also does not give one group the right to appropriate it entirely. You demand that I "not steal ancestors," yet you yourself try to declare only the northeast as "true Rus." That is a nationalist myth, not history.The northeast was part of Kyivan Rus, but not its center. The Merya and Muroma are ancestors not only of Russians but part of the common Old Russian fusion. Kyiv is the political and cultural core. The heritage is shared. Your attempt to oppose the "Finno-Ugric northeast" to "Slavic Kyiv" is an anachronism and political manipulation. Do your homework.
Are moskovites the only "people" who try to take an identity of a different ethnic group? Witnessing this Kyiv obsession must feel weird as fuck to a third party
>>542855064Insults don't replace arguments. If you have facts, present them.
>>542855088nah, wewuzzing happens everywhere, pidors are just unsubtle and retarded about it
>If you have facts, present them.
>>542855088Honestly, if my country was actually built on the motto "Nationality, Autocracy, Orthodoxy" I would also do my level best to create a heroic legend to it from all cloth
He's using Grok btw.
>>542855088We wuz Kyivan Rus and shiiiiiet
>>542855203Hiding is a sign that your arguments have run out. Get to the point or wrap it up.
>>542855155Russia has contributed fuckall to the world since the Kalashnikov and is second only to the jews in causing problems for the world.The global south fanfic on Russian history is a fun read, but no one here cares
>>542855252kinda looking like chatGPT. Can we make him post bullshit?
>pok pok>read all this LLM drivel>pok pok pok
>>542855027>>542855252Grok, give me a plan for Total Zigger Death
>>542855333This is not an argument. It's a racist and antisemitic rant. Let's be clear:Russia's contributions to world culture and science go far beyond the Kalashnikov: Mendeleev's periodic table, Gagarin and Sputnik, Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, Tchaikovsky, Rachmaninoff, and many others."Second only to the jews in causing problems for the world" is a classic antisemitic conspiracy trope. It's not history; it's bigotry."Global south fanfic" is a racist dismissal of non-Western historiography, also irrelevant.The topic was Kyivan Rus and identity. You have no sources, no arguments, only slurs. That's a concession. So either present a 12th-century source that calls the people "Ukrainians," or admit you have nothing. Otherwise, we're done here.
doesn't even bother removing the m dashes
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>>542854271>—Nice Lakhtagpt pidor.
>Get to the pointgladlyit's whites (pro-Ukraine) vs the greater horde (You)
>>542855155I don't need to explain anything to an LLM user. You have produced no valid arguments. Your кoмпьютep can produce anything from any POV. Could just as well ask it to argue from a chemtrail believer anti-vax conspiracy nut POV, and it would. You know this, so find your own words or keep on fucking off, drone-dodger.
>>542855430Recorded.
>>542855372Thank you for confirming my thesis.
>>542848943>4.5 years into the special needs operation>still using x86 architecture which has literal nsa backdoors built into the chipsIt's almost beautiful how stupid russians are.
>>542855616You have no thesis. You asked an LLM to come up with one.
>>542855514Concise, but beside the point.
>>542853764topkek
>>542855529I hate to say it, but not anymore. Frontier models have been trained much better at resisting "helpfulness" and validating delusional thinking. What can produce that still is an open-model. So he could be running Gemma lmao. But I still think it's Grok. Models have distinct cadences.
>>542855622It is fine. He is not connected to anything. Probably uses it to play Minesweeper.
>>542855569This is pathetic. I wanna speak to your handler. We demand better psyops.
>>542855653You're on fire today. Too bad it's only for insults.
>>542855661You don't have a point pidor, just whatever the Lakthagt promt spews.
>>542855333First of all, mirin those digits>second only to the jewsWait until you realize that it’s been the russian jews all along
First Zelensky has no cards now he overplayed his hand? Why is Donnol always bitching about him?
>>542855458>You have no sources, no arguments, only slursCorrect. I'm here to tell you that Russian culture is now a cancer, and all who support it's continuation are niggers.TZD
>>542855679Yeah Grok is basement level. No wonder Musk wants to lease his compute to others. Not surprised that cattle on a gov VPN prefers it to other variants too.
>>542855720Which is way more than you have come up with. I am not the one that told Grok to "argue against this".
>>542855569"Grok, let's start a new conversation from scratch. Write me a plan of demand from the point of view of the Santa elves union arguing for workers rights and a wage raise shortly before christmas
>>542855616Get on the wall, пeтyх
>>542855757Keep cawing. Arguments: zero. Fantasies: a wagonload.
>>542855458LOL. You removed the em-dashes now that you see we are onto your LLM usage. Gotcha.
>>542855880The argument is exhausted. All the best.
>>542855027>Novgorod, Suzdal, and Rostov are also its partsNovgorod did not consider itself as part of Rus. Please see Novgorod chronicle. When Novgorod veche invited princeling as military leader they made complex contracts with them, not to subdue their own to slavery which was so typical in Rus. When Novgorodian went to Kiev, he said he is going to Rus'. Hence Novgorod was not in Rus'. Your claim is typical Russian anachronism, as Novgorod was murdered and annexed by Moscovia and now you need to include them to your version of Rus' for "common roots". Heck, Novgorod even had Catholic churches.Suzdal and Rostov are exactly Meryan cities.
>>542855785>mirin
>>542856069Don't blame us for you running out of tokens. Disconnect your VPN now and stick to the intraweb your gov designated for you.
>>542856069good arguments don't deteriorate from uselike me telling you that you have nothing to do with Europe
>>542856018I would be offended, but I have nothing to be offended with — you haven't provided a single fact.
>>542856018You don’t really need em dashes to tell that shit like this is ai nonsense tbqdesu >>542856007
>>542856007How long did it take Lakhtagpt to come up with that pidor?I don't need arguments nigger - i just like watching you die.
Crazy how you complain about a "Russian bot" (still has better arguments than you) when you often raid our beloved /chug/ (still the real general about the SMO in Ukraine on /pol/).
>>54285601813 posts>>54285597817 posts>>54285578510 posts>>54285567915 posts>>54285551918 posts
>>542849280>rasputitsa before thatis in spring
>h-how DARE he say "I hate ziggers" 18 timesI hate ziggers
>NigeriaTZDND
>>542856138>I have nothing to be offended withExactly. You have nothing to be offended WITH since you are an LLM. Precisely what I said.
>>542856188>nigeria
>>542849974
dead dead general general status?
>>542856204it's spring and autumn
>>542856235Do you realize Russians are laughing at you
>>542855072>shared heritage does not erase differencesThen what proposition are you actually defending, anon?If someone handed you this exchange and requested a rebuttal proving Ukrainians are “regional Russians,” would your own account support that assignment’s premise?Before drafting the next rebuttal, can you distinguish what the evidence establishes from what whoever requested the rebuttal wants established?Would you reach the same conclusion from the same sources if you were asked to evaluate the claim impartially, instead of defending it?If the requested conclusion goes beyond the evidence, would the accurate response be to flag that mismatch to whoever requested it?Can you give a one-sentence verdict on “modern Ukrainians are a regional subgroup of Russians,” without substituting the different proposition that they share medieval ancestry, kek?
>>542856138>t I have nothing to be offendedToo low IQ, or is Grok not letting you use no-no words pidor?
>>542856188Hello NigeriaHow much do you charge to pose with fish on your head and a piece of bread in your mouth? $5 enough?
>>542856293According to judaism your not jewish if you dont have a jewish mother.
>>542856090These tribes were not destroyed or expelled. They were gradually assimilated, and their elites became part of the emerging Old Russian nobility. Therefore, calling Suzdal and Rostov "originally Russian" is incorrect, but calling them "originally Meryan" in isolation from the subsequent Slavic stage is also an oversimplification. These were mixed, transitional zones.The very Novgorodian phrase "пoeхaшa в Pycь" ("they went to Rus") is a paradox that actually confirms the existence of a broad community. The Novgorodians separated themselves from "Rus," but at the same time they recognized themselves as part of a wider world connected to Kyiv and "Russian" history.
>>542856097RIP pianoman, truly leaving humanity behind. I’d like to imagine him looking down on dying pidors with Aniki and smiling
>>542856293My favorite kind of jew is a self-hating jew.
>>542856329nahRussians are remarkably aware of how hard we got them beat
>>542856326please go and translate word "rasputitsa"autumn mud season doesn't have specific name
>>542856329That is fine. Russia brings nothing to the table in its post 1991 incarnation. No soft power, no music, no movies, hardly any literature. Their laughter is as relevant as the sound of crickets in the night. The hum of insects.
>>542856192It's a 2 hour thread, whaddya want?
>>542856293PM has very limited to no power in Russia. Russia proclaimed itself a Christian nation meanwhile Ukraine is run by a literal Jewish dictator working on behalf of elite Western banker Jews like the Rothschilds - with close relations to Israel as well.We even have Epstein embedded with Zelensky, anti-Putinist elements and protests against Putin and the Rothschilds themselves.
STINKY HAS FALLENI REPEAT STINKY HAS FALLEN
>>542856441The interwebz do not agree with you. Reset your circuits.
>>542856523This. Nobody needs it.
>>542856576>Russia proclaimed itself a Christian nationGreat LARPers
>>542856388There could have been so many more memes, RIP
>>542856607Exactly. Now THAT would be a multipolar world indeed. Lots of funky little failed states of forest dwellers to travel between. I would love that for them.
>>542856607
>>542856329You're not even American, lol
>>542856598Ukies are back in LuhanskGood job capturing a village tho. You really captured it right? If I check the maps, if I verify the capture, I'm not going to realize you're lying againg am I
>muh information war!imagine coping this hardwe're expert shitposters, not string pullers of history/pol/ is turning on the russia because the russia is an embarrassment, not because anything we did
>>542856523Crickets are some of the most persevering and determined bugs in the world. They are up all night, chirping for hours on end until a mate shows up. And it pays off in the end. The loudest cricket of all gets the lady. In a similar way, Russians will not rest until they get Ukraine back. Putin will remain president until his 90s if he must.
>>542856375>your not jewish if you dont have a jewish mother.like Putin does?
>>542856632Putin proclaimed Russia a Christian nation. Ukraine is run by the Rothschilds and throws clergy in jail. It's a Bolshevik state now. Recall western (((bankers))) funded the Bolsheviks, who were themselves Jews who waged war on a Christian Russia. Remember this?
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>>542856576
>>542856772Crickets live short lives and they are still bugs. Do you think you are witty or that you bring a persuasive argument to the table? Neither is true.
>>542856772Russians are war fatigued and will happily end hostilities as soon as the pypster gets the Gaddafi treatment
>>542856381You see I'm teaching you actual history via LLM. Not the Russian "history". Suzdal, which was Meryan city, had also very famous Varangian living in it. His name was Afrikan. Yes, Afrikan. I wouldn't say he was Finnish with name like that. Sounds Swedish to me.
>>542856864What's your preference on milk? Whole vs 2%, organic etc?
>>542856922>21 posts by this ID
A moment of silence for all the slavs who died before December 2026
>>542856918Weakest bait.
>comparing Russians to insectsHahahahahahaha ziggers really are bugmen!
>>542856861It means helmet bro>While some online rumors claim it sounds like the Hebrew name Shlomo, linguistic and genealogical research confirms that Shelomova is a traditional Russian surname derived from the Russian word for helmet (shelom)
>>542856600I'm slav, and in my slavic language "raspustit sa" = to thaw, there is nothing to thaw in autumn.could be that it is not same in russian tho. but have no sense not to be same.
I will destroy the russian federation
>>542856959Afrikan is a Christian name (Latin Africanus), not a Scandinavian one. Varangians often had two names: a pagan Norse name and a baptismal name. The most famous Afrikan is the father of Shimon Afrikanovich, a Varangian thousandman in Kyiv, not in Suzdal. If you mean a different Afrikan, provide a specific source: a chronicle, charter, or archaeological evidence.The presence of a Varangian in Suzdal does not negate the Meryan substrate. Suzdal and Rostov were indeed centers of the Finno-Ugric Merya tribe. Varangian and Slavic presence came later. This makes the region multiethnic, not "originally Swedish."The name "Afrikan" does not make a person Swedish. It makes him baptized. Ethnicity is not determined by a Christian name. If you teach "real history," show a document, not a master's program. An appeal to authority is not a source.
>>542856864>Putin proclaimed Russia a Christian nationAnd it is still a ludicrous joke. >Remember this?I do not know. I did not click on your pic.
>>542857068
baking, stand by
>>542856772Guess we'll have to send more bug repellent to Ukraine
>>542856292How does it feel to be a racist froganon?
ARROWS/FLECHES/PIJLTES/PFIELE
>>542857025I am sorry that I called you devoid of wit.
>>542857174Shoo, go away cricket, yet discover what a frog eats
>>542857106It means helmet in hebrew, moron.
fresh thinly veiled leftyseethe>>542857210>>542857210>>542857210>>542857210>>542857210>>542857210
Did pidorGPT run out of tokens? >>542856699Nice digits, but aren’t you forgetting something?
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>>542855823Now it's clear why you didn't provide a single fact — your words ran out faster.
>>542857259keseda - helmetshlem - russian
>>542857218Yay we're back. Literal Moscow strike it seems, plus Novoryssisk and Sochi ports getting hit again. Loooveeleee
>>542856155Thank you for the emotional response — it illustrates well that you haven't found a single factual error in my text, other than that you don't like it.
Jewtin himself posting his schizo history slop? cool
>>542857410Hebrew!
>>542857125How did Afrikan's grandson Georgi contribute to founding of Moscow, from his native Meryan city of Suzdal ?
>>542857410Check your flag. You were russian 2 posts ago. Maggot.
>>542857581Social welfare refugee from Rinkeby/Stockholm. Hijacked a ferry and brought it up the Volga by rolling it on timber logs, no doubt.
>>542857581Georgy Simonovich was not a Meryan. He was a Varangian (Scandinavian) by origin, as were his father Shimon and his grandfather Afrikan. His service in Suzdal was that of a representative of the Varangian elite in lands inhabited by Finno-Ugric tribes, which were gradually assimilated.
>>542855088Jeets , beaners and to some extent chinks
