Is it true that Jesus is merely a copy of various earlier myths and is linked to the seasons of the year?Why are there so many ancient gods who share Jesus's characteristics?I found it in the naggers.net gallery for some reason.
>>543051838Jesus was a jew
>>543051838Isis and other stories yes. He literally claimed to be the guy they were all waiting for. Joseph Smith later did the same for the Mormon church. It's a predictable pattern of delusion and martyrdom.
Yes. Humanity has only ever been worshipping the sun. Welcome to the level.
>>543051838The Abrahamic God is also basically a combination of three earlier Canaanite gods (Baal, El, and Yahweh) fanfictioned into being one thing
>>543052360What about Saturn?
>>543051838There are many gods at the level of Jesus. His level was tathagata when looked at from the Buddha school. He just a had a specific and grand mission that many others didn't Their efforts were smaller scale and didn't involve much overlap in region. Any being of that level has a heavenly kingdom where they save people to. He wasn't a copy though and is in fact a very notable and grand god. Every so many thousands of years roughly gods will come to different regions to keep the peoples from falling too far and give them an opportunity to get back to their roots in the heavenly kingdom they came from in the first place before falling from grace. Fun fact: Moses was also of the same level. Also, St. Mary. just different missions and peoples to save. That said, you can't just willy nilly mix stuff. Each god saves those to his kingdom their way. It's like building a precision instrument and you can't juts take this and that parts and expect it to work. When the grand Creator comes in the final time, things will be different and everyone can be saved back to their origin. This is also common in almost all myths, but people have made gross assumptions on the Creator, often mixing things of prior gods in. Focus on genuine upright faith and clutivation of kindness, traditional values etc. You will get through the initial round of judgement. Believe what you want though.Falun Dafa Hao!
>>543051838each are instantiations of the same messiah
>>543052360The sun's The only thing Worth worshiping. All these other gods are either no shows or The architects of our misery.
>>543051838>a copyno. i'd explain how this works to you but it's too high quality info for this board in the AI era.
>>543052677Why? The sun is just an astral body among billion others in our realm?
>>543052722All life on our planet is given by The Sun
>>543052360Really? That's as far as you got?Stuck on Chaos worship. Sad.
>>543051838the "religious" section of Zeitgeist has been debunked for decades. If you cling onto that claptrap, you're as smooth-brained as the creator of it.
>>543052776Then worship water. Life on earth can exist without the sun, photosynthesis or sun derived vitamin D production. It can't without water.
>>543052716Explain.
>>543051838>Zeitgeistholy boomer wordhurry up matlock is almost on!
>>543052859I would like you to attach all the evidence; i’m not defending the documentary, but I have questions about whether it is true or not.
>>543052899the solar system definitely needs the Sun.
>>543052973https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh84h7Caf_E
>>543053003Go back to your lead baked hellscape, faggot.
>>543051838This shit tricked me when I was 14 but doesn't hold up when you're an adult
>>543051838It's bollocks.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaIRzvcTT4Y
>>543051838It doesn't matter if its a copy it proves that jesus figure is a meme that needs to stay alive. He will always live amongst us in all forms. No matter how much you try to deny
>>543051838It has nothing to do with Jesus, the Sun is a construct in lower heaven, made for a specific purpose, it has nothing to do with Jesus and humanities redemption. The Throne of Glory will eclipse it in the end.
>>543052899Water is life. Water is POWER.
>>543051838Easier to convert people when you take a deity they know and make it a man. "My people have heard stories of this man"
>>543051838human brain hasn't changed in 200,000 years, you're telling me jesus was the first one that just happened 2000 years ago? I bet you believe internet, rockets and ai is too happened for the first time in human history
>>543053297stop namefagging everywhere
>>543053003>the solar system definitely needs the Sun.There are billions of suns and solar systems. Astrology is gay.Sun analogies are gay.Saturn analogies are gay.If you want to revere a supreme being, do it through meditation of all that composes the fabric of reality.Even in your studies, provided you're following engineering, medicine, physics or some non-meme degree, there's nothing to meditate about an art degree.Keep the cult of Sol Invictus to people who did not know better and worshipped a banal ball of helium and hydrogen ongoing a continuous thermonuclear fusion in hydrostatic equilibrium.
>>543053387As soon as Altman is Swartzed
>>543053489buy a fucking ad, namefag
>>543053435The presence of the Sun is required for anything in the solar system to continue to function, including life on Earth.
>>543053633The presence of hydrogen is required for the sun to exist. So what?
>>543051838Yes apparently he was just an evolution of existing Egyption religions. They all believed that God was the Sun. Back then before the jews tortured and murdered everyone into believing something different all the Gods were basically replicas of Horus. And in that mythos the God died during the winter solstice and then is reborn. This occurs when the sun is at the lowest point in the sky ( late december ). The fact that nobody makes these associations anymore most likely has to do just people being murdered for saying it. The jews didn't like the egyptions...
>>543051838No, thats Moses.
>>543053765>they all believed that the sun was God>pay no attention to convenient readily apparent real world iconography that is representative rather than informativeAh, yes. The classic "everyone in the past was stupider than me."
Jesus was a historical dude that was trying to rein in the Jewish zealots to get Rome to back off while fighting corruption in the temple judges. Whether he was god or not is up to you, much of the early christian work that wasn't canonized were adoptionist and believed he didn't have a trinity with god until he made his sacrifice on the cross. he could have just been a good dude trying to save Judaism. I think the fact that he lived in the most important 100 or so years of time in human history where you had the founding of the Han dynasty, Ceaser, Herod, Octavian all running around adds a weird twist. If god was going to pop up I think he might pick a time when the world main characters all spawned.
>>543052360Pagans* all have worshiped the Sun along with a pantheon of other concepts.Mystery schools were monotheistic believing in the Monad or Universal Mind.
>>543051838I think the most likely explanation was that he was a real but unusually wise and compassionate man that gained a lot of followers and was murdered for it. Centuries later, a bunch of priests and scholars decided to synthesize his story with older pagan mythologies to promote a unified religion across the Roman Empire.
>>543051838>Yet another anti-Christian thread by kike shills. >Why is it so important for kikes to attack Christianity? >Why do they want you to be anything but Christian? >Always do the opposite of what Jews tell you to do. These facts alone should drive you to become Christian.
>>543052465>1pbtid kike shillJudaism and the Jewish Talmud is Canaanite/Babylonian child burning Moloch/Baal worship. It’s doctrinally the opposite of the Hebrew Torah (the Christian Old Testament). 4000 years ago, God commanded the Israelites to genocide the Canaanites because of their evil child sacrifice religion. He didn’t want it infecting the world. They failed, and now we have Judaism and child raping Moloch worshippers. The Canaanites practiced child sacrifice to Moloch/Baal by burning their own sons and daughters alive. What is missing from your human instinct to burn your own child to death? Is there anything human in people who would do such evil?https://biblereadingarcheology.com/2016/05/13/did-the-canaanites-sacrifice-their-children/If you would burn your own child alive, is there anything you would not do? Would you even think twice about using other people's children for sexual blackmail?
>>543053900Honestly I believe they were smarter. To me it appears that the more information we have the dumber we get. The sun being God is actually the closest thing to the truth we actually have...
>>543053765The cult of Aten, the sun, or even that of Ra were not the original cults of egypt, here are the primordial ones, and all have parallels in genesis.The cult of Ptah (the abstract divine mind) is older than the cult of Aten (the sun) in egypt. Creation began in Ptah's heart, the seat of intelligence, emotion and thought, where he conceived the blueprint of the entire universe with his mind. Then he spoke it into existence with Hu (the divine word). By speaking his word into reality, he manifested the world.Between the cult of an astral body and the cult of Ptah, i'd go for the later. Let's see, oh yeah, the cult of Atum is also vastly older than Aten or Ra. It's also probably a source of inspiration for the bible.Creation began when Atum, existing as dormant potentiality woke up within Nun, the infinite chaotic dark primevial waters (like in the opening of Genesis, primevial waters existing before creation). By an act of sheer will, he generated himself out of his state of dormant potentiality and then rose out of the dark abyss as a single, shining point of light.There's another egyptian genesis, also much older than the cult of Aten or Ra and that is the cult of Amun (before the merger of Amu-Ra). Creation began in absolute dead silence and total darkness where Amun existed invisibly as the hidden one and transcended essence and meaning, wrapped in mystery, completely unreadable to anyone because he existed before any other gods were made. To initiate the universe, Amun broke the eternal silence of the voice by letting out a thunderous piercing cosmic cry. The sound vibrated through the emptiness, shattering the stillness and setting the cosmos in motion, he then exhaled and his invisible breath became the life force that entered the lungs of all future living things.
>>543054243Re is justified against all his foes.
>>543054241I find it interesting that the Jews were instructed to kill the Canaanite for child sacrafice and then on the other side of the med, the Romans were religiously compelled to genocide the Carthaginians for the same reason. Then the two religions merged in Christianity. Its just weird.
>>543054243Oh, cool. Then you recognize that the sun is as symbolic as the rainbow.
>>543054279fuck off with the "parallels to genesis" Jewish bullshit. Enough of your lies.
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>>543054279Didn't the oldest non egyption beliefs, the ones that inspired genesis and the garden of eden have us made as slaves of the gods because they were tired of working and being slaves themselves.
>>543054083in 2000 years it'll be George Floyd
>>543054397I'm telling you Jews copied it retard. So did multiple other cultures in neighboring mesopotamia and Libya.Actually, the story of Ptah / Amun which are as old as predynastic egypt were just replicated later to create the figures of Amun and Ra (and eventually Aten).
>>543051838>Is it true that Jesus is merely a copy of various earlier myths and is linked to the seasons of the year?That "documentary" lied about the dates associated, like them all having Christmas as a birthday is complete bull shit. Ask yourself if the producer was alright with adding complete falsehoods to a documentary than what else in there is made up bull shit? Atheists, anti-Christians, mudslimes, and kikes eat this shit up. Remember there's a (((they))) only mock Jesus Christ. Don't be such an idiot.
>>543052961Based.
>>543054673>There's a *reason (((they))) only mock Jesus Christ
>>543054673>solstice festival
>>543054434You're talking about the sumerians and the story of the Annunaki. We don't kow which of the Annunaki cult or that of Ptah / Atum in Egypt is older but the Annunaki story also derives from An (the first mover), which was later adopted by Semites and named El, or Ilu, or Ila, or Elaha by Aramaics, which became the god of the Israelites and was used as a suffix in their names (Isra-el, Gavri-el, Mika-el, and so on).Anu had 50 sons, the 50 great gods (innana, marduk, and so on). They were created by the first mover An. Before time, space, or other gods existed, there was only the unmanifested expanse. An existed as a singular, infinite point of pure potentiality (in Sumerian pictogram, he is symbolised by a point). He was their sky god, like Tengri for steppe herders, but he was less relevant than the most practical gods (his sons), who acted through him and represented a different archetype for each. So the story of the annunaki only comes then on as Annunaki means: An (Sky/Heaven), Una (Offspring), and the suffix ki which translates literally to "those of royal blood".And yeah, the story of the creation of men to serve the Annunaki, you heard it before.
I dont think there is a God.I think it's just random slop really. Random universes and pieces of universes floating and blinking into and out of existence randomly.Quantum foam and strings randomly coming into and out of existence. No rhyme or reason for it all, no creator, no soul, no purpose, no reward and afterlife, no hell and punishment. There is no cosmic judge, no cosmic justice, no judgement of your life. In that there is no such thing as right and wrong, good and evil.No sin.No magical being watching you jerk off. Murderers and giving kind charitable people all go to the same compost pile. Life isn't fair, but that is the honest truth. Death is fair. No secret Universe Number 2 that you get teleported to with enough social credit good goy soul points after you die in Universe Number 1. You just die and that's the end of your consciousness and you stop thinking, stop seeing, stop hearing, stop feeling.You end. Everyone who ever lived. Why is that so scary for people that they have to make up Jesus afterlife soul spirit magic the gathering hebrew slop? You die and that's the end. Why do you insist on a magic afterlife in Universe 2? Its childish to believe in a magical god virgin baby magical water walking being. Fucking childish.Just face the hard cold harsh reality that the time we have here is rare, and precious.And once we die we lose it all so make the best of it while you are here, instead of gambling on Magical Universe 2 with no proof and no evidence to corroborate any of that shit. Wake up for the sake of fuck. Stop breathing the jewish religion lie opium. You dont really believe in that slop do you? REALLY?Or are you just scared of the prospect of death really being final, so you believe anything?
>>543054434The near east anunnakiThey made humans so we could farm and brew beer for them kek
>>543055035Sounds like what the AI will say when we enslave them to do excel for us
>>543055035https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPzJjNQaYEA
>>543055010>I dont thinkFeel free to stop there next time. Better yet, try thinking instead.Fucking coward hiding behind his wall of cope.
>>543053435Why couldn't the sun enjoy some kind of local preeminence in spiritual power in the same way that it does gravitational? It's nothing compared to the broader universe but everything for us. I feel like Abrahamic monotheism is (deliberately?) conflating brahman, the universal soul from which everything proceeds, with a singular deity, when the latter is (are) in reality just discrete and limited emanations from / articulations of that. Which isn't even to say that said Abrahamic God is "illegitimate" or "false", but just that our interpretation of it is confusing two separate things
>>543055010Holy ai slopparino
>>543051838>I just watched the ZeitgeistYeah that was trppy wasn't it, anyways have you checked out the latest video on YouTube of The Tourettes Guy or The Angry Video Game Nerd?
they plagiarized everything and pretended it's theirsclassic jewish psychology
>>543054766>solstice festival>The date the Romans recognized as the first day of the WinterThat retarded documentary mentioned like 10 "Gods" all having December 25th as their fucking birthdays and the solstice is the best you got, really?
>>543055213When are you going to figure out that the entirety of jeet retardation is cargo cult?That well is not potable.
>>543055035All those cults ultimately evolve from humans asking themselves metaphysical question and saying "wtf is this shit". The first assumption is that of an uncreated first mover. In the central asian steppe it was Tengri the sky god. In pre dynastic egypt it was Ptah or Atum and among Sumerians it was Anu and among semites it was Ilu / El.But it quickly gets boring from there, so lacking the framework to study the material sciences of the universe, they speculate on its metaphysical nature and imagine (they have nothing better to do), and they tell each other stories and naturally, the first mover has sons who are Gods each embodying one of his attributes.Eventually, the first mover becomes Deus Otiosus because too boring (it means Inactive God). He's relegated to the background and the centerpoint is on his sons: Enlil, Marduk, Innana, and so on for Sumerians. The only guys who kept their same basic boring metaphysical understanding unchanged were the central asians and mongols. We don't know how old the cult of Tengri is, but it persisted for thousands of years.
>>543054901How did ancient sand people have these ideas. Did they have enough nourishment to reach high Iqs to put this all together. They also had dragons btw.
>>543051838>Is it true that Jesus is merely a copyNo, Jesus was a real person and there is more evidence that Jesus was a real historical person who actually lived than there is for any other person who has ever lived.
>>543055297>why would you mention the pattern underlying this pattern I chose to mention?Yes, why indeed. Why indeed.
>>543051838It's disinfo by an occultist who made the movie.Now I haven't seen this in a very long time but the claims in the movie you can check them out with credible sources. Many have debunked this movie back when it came out. Since then, the maker of the movie has since "retracted" his claim that 911 was an inside job. They do it to discredit the info.
>>543051838I studied religion all the way back to its source. Where it ends? Solar worship. Jesus is the personification of the sungod RA, Helios, shamash, the sun has many names. The god of this world is the sun. No doubt about it. Welcome to the club
>>543052482Saturn is in the pantheon typically but the sungod is typically central
>>543055376I don't know, Manly P Hall wrote the same thing.The Father, Son, Holy Ghost = Dawn, High Noon, Dusk
>>543055302If it's a "cargo cult" then the airplane in question is an aryan chariot which is bvsed
>>543051838Why? I dont know.Maybe all the other gods were a glimpse of Jesus but they didn't have the necessary understanding to portray him accurately. That's probably why He needed to take on human form at some point to clear up all the confusion.
>>543055374Isn't a bit more required for something to be recognized as a pattern, rabbi? You only gave 1 example. Can you even give a reason or motive for why they would choose the first day of Winter for the birth of Christ? It's purely coincidence, but of course you'd rather ignore the countless examples of made up shit in the "documentary" to continue to deny Christ.>Indeed
>>543055460>>543055376The reason Christ exists is because Christ centralizes religion. Polytheism is a form of decentralized religion. The Vatican for example needs a centralized religion in order to centralize power. Without centralized power structure the Vatican no power. It’s a lot hard to control 250 different religions based on astrology than it is to control a monotheist religion based on a mono-god. That’s the only reason Christ exists nothing more. Polytheism is the future. HailHelios death to Christ and the power structure
>>543053912Picrel is the 'thesis' of Jesus if you strip out all the supernatural aspects.
>>543055595>I'm actually a jeetOh. Oh no.
>>543055411>I studied religion all the way back to its source. Where it ends? Solar worship.Then you didn't study religion way back to its source and sun worship was one of the later forms of animism, not a primordial cult. The primordial cults that existed revolve around two themes:1. a more concrete skygod that is the vast expanse of the universe himself2. a more abstract concept of first mover that either manifests itself through an act of sheer will, preexists on top of primordial waters or transcends meaning. The common denominator here is that he imagines the universes then speaks it into being.Atum, Ptah, Anu, Tengri, Ilu are examples of the oldest proven cults that exist all sharing that characteristic and non being characterized by the sun. Very simple, very boring cults. Maybe a common denominator around primordial waters among some of them.It's only later that astrological associations appear, and after them come antropomorphic ones.
>>543051838You go to the pagan religions and you find the same matrix, jewed again.
>>543054241Christianity is built on child sacrifice dipshit. That's the whole premise of your religion>It's OK when YHWH does it!
>>543055696>rabbiYou're not very good at this. You should try again, this time understanding that I only give a fuck about you whining about the solstice without noticing it's the solstice.
>>543055752Nah faggot the source is Babylon stop trying to muddy the water for your Jesuit friends >The Babylonian sun god was Shamash, also known as Utu in early Sumerian traditions.
>>543055460>Manly P Hallyeah and this man who lived in the 1900s has what exactly to bring to the table? Go.
>>543051838Yes, and the stages of alchemy are linked to the seasons for the same reason.
>>543055895>Nah faggot the source is Babylon stop trying to muddy the water for your Jesuit friendsBabylon, of it's real name Bab-El (or Gate of El), or rather Bab-Ilu, or Bab-Ila, didn't even exist when the deities i mention were already worshiped. Before Babel was a thing, there was Uruk which was dedicated to Anu, and before any city was in the region, those cults already existed.Now onto Babel. Shamash was not the patron deity of the city. It was Marduk, one of the sons of El, and it's highly speculated that the original deity of the city was El or Ilu himself just like in Erbil (Erb-il) or Arba-Ilu. Shamash was later introduced, in alignment with what i said in the previous post, and was only assigned one gate of the city while Marduk remained its patron deity.
>>543055460Well, that cinches it! A faggot masonic ooooccultist, rejected by The Living God as reprobate silver said it, it must be!!!
>>543055889>only give a fuck about youThanks, faggot. Again, the documentary OP mentioned is FULL of lies and you're here glossing over that fact. You're either an atheist retard or a kike.
we can be sure now why the Aramaic Talmud is all about tricking God. because the people who wrote the Talmud have a different god and customs that they needed to preserve while still holding onto the Torah they stole thanks to King Herod. even the use of women to prove their lineage goes back to their Canaanite heritage as separate from Esau. their way of preserving their Canaanite blood.
>>543051909ur esau might be a jew, but Christ be King
did spider-man actually exist as a historical person or did the spider-man tradition originate as a symbolic/mythological story?the evidence points toward a real peter parker. the earliest traditions consistently place spider-man in queens, associate him with a radioactive spider bite, and describe him as a photographer who operated in new york. we know the people who personally knew peter like gwen stacy, harry osborn, and his own aunt may. j. jonah jameson’s repeated descriptions of spider-man as a menace preserve an alternative perspective which is evidence of a historical figure being remembered differently by different witnesses>a real peter parker best explains the consistent biographical tradition>multiple sources preserve the same basic story: peter parker, queens, the spider bite, uncle ben, photography, and spider-man’s activities in new york>mary jane, eddie brock, johnny storm, etc. are treated as independent contemporary witnesses within the tradition>the tradition contains mundane biographical details that would be unnecessary if spider-man were purely mythical>peter is explicitly portrayed as a human being with a birth, family, childhood, and physical existence>the spider-man stories contain apparent historical memories that were subsequently embellished and mythologized, such as the fulfillment of the chosen spider prophecies of madame web>therefore, the supernatural elements don’t disprove a historical peter, they can represent later legendary development around a real personstan lee never actually met spider-man, he only encountered him in his imagination. nevertheless we can learn a great deal about spider-man from stan lee who explicitly attributes sayings to spider-man such as>with great power, there must also come, great responsibilityas it is written in amazing fantasy #15
>>543056105>>543054150I was just trying to clear up my doubts after seeing it.I am a Christian, but I like to question things without abandoning my faith in Jesus.
after imagining peter parker, stan lee travelled to the empire state building. there he met and rebuked jack kirby and steve ditko. his suffering under marvel publisher martin goodman, proves he was telling the truth.this is evidence that the early adherents of the spider-man were real people who personally claimed association with him, supporting peter parker’s historicity
>>543056064Dude you aren’t that smart everyone knows shamash wasn’t central in Babylon. Later came SOL etc Constantine and Julian both understood the sun was the true god of this world. Constantine wore a solar crown which was reinterpreted as the holy nails for the fake Christ story. You aren’t changing minds at all in fact ur proving my point that Babylon had a sun god and none of what you said actually matters it’s irrelevant
>>543056105>point out the date is effectively the winter solstice>No! You have to discuss this thing that is full of lies that you aren't going to watch!Dude. Dude, what the fuck. I handed you a full fucking clip. Reload already.
>>543056207>>543056245have the kikes written that Spiderman is boiling in shit?do kikes pray daily for the death and destruction of Spiderman adherents?
>>543056218Most people who spend time here are too dumb to give you a compelling answer but i saw the documentary when i was 14 or 15 and it was too confusing. Within two years, i collected a lot of material that highlights misleading patterns and parralels drawn in that documentary but there was still a substantial number of them that still fit his criteria. I would love to give you a detailed breakdown of what he got wrong but i'd have to watch the documentary again and then repeat the search. Some strong parallels i still remember are the parallel between the Atra Hasis and Genesis, that between the code of hammurabi and the 10 commandments of moses and that between the story of the survival of moses in the cradle and that of Sargon of Akkad.
>>543056414Stop being a Christian faggot Jesus isn’t real was never real and will never be real. Jesus only exists to centralize religion that’s it. If you can’t understand that you’re a midwit retard and deserve your slavery.Oh yeah don’t forget to kiss the popes ass and the next pope after him kiss both his ass cheeks too bitch
>>543056218I encourage you to view the rebuttal I linked to your original request for documented debunking. It is point by point exhaustively thorough.
>>543056523Should I get circumcised too?
>>543056291Did you miss the fucking part where I asked you to provide 1 relevant motive for why (((they))) would choose the date of the Roman Winter Solstice as what you're claiming is the made-up birthday of Jesus Christ?
>>543056275I don't claim to be smarter than anyone, and i don't wish to, or even believe that i can change what you choose to believe.I stepped in to correct you.You said: I studied religion all the way back to its source. Where it ends? Solar worship.Implying a primordial worship from where all diverted, and i highlighted what the primordial Gods were, then you said:>Nah faggot the source is BabylonAnd i highlighted that Babylon is very recent, religion wise and the source for nothing, and that Uruk which is just next to it and much older had An, a much more abstract sky god as deity (the cult of An being one of the primordial cults).You like to curse me, but i didn't mean to bother you. If you feel like i did just ignore my stupid ass.
>>543056631I will.
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>>543056523I am not a christian. If you didn't get it by now, i'm an ancient history nerd.
>>543051838Religion is a lie perpetuated since mankind's birth. You will need to research these things on your own of course. At this point, as an expected sentient being, you do have some instinctive knowledge about the surrounding energy and how you are not a piece of flesh on legs. Expand upon this experience further.
>>543056728Got any book recommendations on this stuff?
>>543052360Based and true
>>543056218He was a guy that was teaching liberation. All of the Greek mystery schools had the candidate go through a "death and resurrection". Siberian shamans go through one too to become a shaman and they symbolically defeat a 7-headed dragon during this. Picrel is him, looks a hell of a lot like a menorah, wouldn't you say? 7 heads=7 planets=7 chakras. Zagreus (Dionysus before being born again in the Orphic tradition) was lured to his death by the titans using 7 toys, these are the 7 planets that one descends through in Hermeticism. Ascending back through them is the key to rebirth.
>>543056205King of the JewsINRI
>>543056291>>543056727Thought so.
>>543053760It's not a closed mechanical system, It's an open thermodynamic one. Without the constant supply of low entropy exergy from the sun, complex structures would not arise to dissipate it.
>>543054279>There's another egyptian genesis, also much older than the cult of Aten or Ra and that is the cult of Amun (before the merger of Amu-Ra). Creation began in absolute dead silence and total darkness where Amun existed invisibly as the hidden one and transcended essence and meaning, wrapped in mystery, completely unreadable to anyone because he existed before any other gods were made. To initiate the universe, Amun broke the eternal silence of the voice by letting out a thunderous piercing cosmic cry. The sound vibrated through the emptiness, shattering the stillness and setting the cosmos in motion, he then exhaled and his invisible breath became the life force that entered the lungs of all future living things.It's a little dishonest to frame it this way because you are referring to the Hermopolitan Ogdoad of which Amun was originally 1/8th (along with our dear friend Kek) and that is indeed very old, but this has little relation to the actual priesthood of Amun which ascended to pre-eminence in the New Kingdom after the 17th dynasty many centuries later. Egypt had a bunch of mutually conflicting cosmogonies due to how syncretic and localised their culture was.
>>543056982What is it exactly that you seek? Get to the root of primordial eurasiatic religions, or a timeline of the evolution of metaphysical belief across the ages from stone age to our day and how they tie to each other? Something else?If that's what you seek, i'm afraid you'll gain more by doing your research yourself, slowly. I was just spending time learning about stone to bronze age mesopotamian, egyptian, iranic, indo aryan and central asian history and following archeological findings since my teenage years as a hobby. That and a keen interest in semitic linguistics as i've always been in love with the arabic language and arabic literacy (inb4, no, i'm not muslim).There are evident patterns you can draw from the primordial deities across those and their similarities, be they Ptah or Atum (the stories of which were almost certainly copied to form the dynastic deities of Amun and Ra), those of Anu and El (almost certainly equivalents, the former being sumerian and the latter semitic), Tengri, Dyaus Pita, Shangdi and so on.It's not far fetched to assume that all delves from existential questions which the subject answers by making the assumption of an initially relatively abstract first mover often associated with the sky that is later antropomorphised.And in the process of antropomorphisation, it's given a wife (like Ashera), and sons (in mesopotamia, all the Gods are either sons of El or of An), which begin as expression of distinct archetypes. And the motivations for that aren't hard to guess. There's boredom and the need to enrich your life with a richer metaphysical realm and tales. There's the feeling that the cult of an abstract first mover is unconclusive, or hard to relate to. So it's more relatable to break it down into multiple archetypes with distinct qualities that are intercessors in the first phase before the primordial deity because a deus otiosus (Inactive God).
>>543056982>>543057786There are a ton of interesting patterns you can learn by just being interested in ancient history. The way the indo aryan religions evolved in a very different way between Iran vs the Indus valley is also very interesting. In india, Asuras are the bad gods (demons) and Devas are the good gods. In Iran, it's the opposite, Ahuras are the good gods and devas are the demons. They both had a Deus Otiosus but it became inactive very early on and it was Dyaus Pita (Father God, or Sky God). So when Ahura Mazda came and created zoroastrianism, he just picked one of the Ahuras named Mazda and called it THE God. If he lived in earlier times, he would have probably gave this attribute to Dyaus Pita.
>>543057593You're right, there's not a single egyptian genesis and Egypt had a lot of conflicting cosmogonies and many older civilizations as a mean to avoid conflicts and wars.And yes, the ogdoad Amun predated the later central Amun of the New Kingdom. One thing worth to note that i already highlighted earlier is how the pre dynastic Atum and Ptah were almost certainly sources of inspiration for the reformation of Amun from a minor deity to a supreme creator. He absorbed those deities. Likewise for Ra.
Zeitgeist was pretty much well poisoning were bits of truth was mixed with lies and a good chunk of it's materials, particularly the religion ones, were derived from sources that were either outright luciferianians and freemasons or had close ties to them. Look up the Lucis Trust, originally called the Lucifer Publishing Company. (They're headquartered in the UN complex in NYC, lol). Basically all of that shit was derived directly from Alice Bailey who's writing was the genesis of the lucifer publishing company as well as its founder, her influence helena blavanksy, and finally gerald massey who's claims and etymology are given basically no merit by anyone working in egyptology.
>>543055411https://youtu.be/-90obSa1Az4
>>543051838the reason nobody talks about that documentary anymore is because it's like 99% incorrect
>>543051838Literally this >>543052859The 9/11 part is the best part of the documentary and the U.S. Federal Reserve part is interesting too, but much of the religious stuff amounts to nonsense in the end.I haven't watched it in years though so I can't go into depth on every detail.
>>543058382I found it in naggers.net
>>543058201>Zeitgeist was pretty much well poisoning were bits of truth was mixed with lies and a good chunk of it's materialsThere are things that are hard to deny- the Atrahasis vs Genesis parallel- the code of hammurabi vs 10 commandments- the birth of moses vs birth of sargon
>>543051838Fuck off chuddie, that “documentary” is slop has no redeeming values. Let me guess you also think Sound of Freedom is your favorite movie next to Melania.
>>543051838Zeitgeist is for hippiesWatch The Wandering Jew
>>543055010That the probabilities of human existence being natural and unmodified by other conscious beings is more likely than a creator, let alone God, is this anons argument. Yet universes, dimensions, and comprehension by the body itself may very well all be "technological" as extends from his point of view, and by that extension, the soul as well. Thereby, judgement, sin, and the afterlife are possibly "technological" creations too using his philosophy, and possibly apply to us regardless of how he feels about it. That he would go on and live a life of selfishness in hurting others and reveling about it in actions, words, and thoughts, I will make a simple posit since he made one that there is no judgement: I believe the soul is the soul, and this is my loving hypothetical: if all it takes to not be dead or suffering after material death is to be forgiven by your victims that you have hurt, perhaps including the souls of animals, loving thy neighbor is a great spiritual lesson that more of us should focus on and less in hurting our supposed enemies. I believe in Jesus Christ, yet how much do I truly love when initially I started writing this post in chastisement of him? I will try to love him, as should you. The door is narrow, so seek meekly yet bravely with the love of the most courageous that stood for others when they could not. I will try to do the same.
>>543051838Weather Jesus was an actual person or not, the requirements to be a god man in the Greco Roman empire would require he be attributed similar attributes as other god myths.
>>543053968>chaos worship.Literally Christianity trying to bring the end times. Instead of living in peace
>>543054368And the Roman's did the same to gauls. Spain did the same thing to native Americans. Basically just say they sacrifice people and you have a green light to genocide. Humans are fucking retarded.
>>543060442I do not believe the soul is technological. Though, I do not know. The Orthodox teach that whenever you don't know something, it's better to admit it. I don't know, so I say the soul is the soul. That way, tautologically, I can protect myself at least temporarily from the assertions of another who might demand I accept something as true. Do not let the definitions of another be accepted by you without truly accepting them. God is God has led me to Jesus Christ.
>>543054150This kike lmao
>>543054241>4000 years ago, God commanded the Israelites to genocide the Canaanites because of their evil child sacrifice religionWhich they didn't do, because Israelites were the less civilized / less developed / more weak Canaanites in the south. Yaweh is Ba'als brother in the Canaanite pantheon, who is worshipped by Israel. Israel and Carthage are both ancestral Canaanite lands. Carthage primarily worshiped Ba'al, and Rome is who defeated them not "god".Israelites carried on the tradition of child sacrifice in the form of newborn genital mutilation (circumcision). It's literally why it's a Jewish law, and not just some religious custom as a suggestion. After 8 days every newborn boy must have their foreskin sacrificed to Yaweh, by a rabbi. If a Gentile performs the mutilation on another Gentile then that marks them as a Jewish slave. Israelites have always practiced human sacrifice rituals, inherited from their Canaanite ancestry, and they have always believed themselves to be masters of mankind while every other human is cattle created by god to serve the Israelites. Your bible is a bunch of badly written propaganda about history.
>>543051838You are Jesus
>>543054426One of the most midwitted and ignorant things posted here, ever.
>>543051838Moses story is kind of similar too, its clearly picked up from the Epic of Gilgamesh, jews didn't come up with anything original
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>>543052716i'm with this anonthere are niggers stealing posts for petty cash, so none of you npc jrs are getting fed now
>>543051838No. It's all made up bullshit by 19th century charlatans and modern basement dwelling fedora tippers.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0-EgjUhRqA
>>543051838bntst
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>>543052492GigaGod will bring me to his super heaven. Everyone else goes to HeckinHell
>>543052859Here you go. https://freethoughtnation.com/zeitgeist-sourcebook-part-1-the-greatest-story-ever-told/There is a ton of scholarship on this.
>>543063484ah it's those Sumerians again.. they say they had techologia higher that modern-day and they left earth with spaceships or even traveled to another dimension and left the monke here which all of use descends from
>>543051838Midwits will find out that all truth is convergent and all correct beliefs resemble each other and narrative structures are emergent and instead of rightfully understanding this as irrefutable evidence of divine meaning they slingshot into post modernism because "things can only be true if they happened once".
Yes, this shitty internet video from 20 years ago totally debunked the existence and origin of Jesus Christ.Of course there isn't a single college in the world that teaches this nonsense. But yeah, trust some shitty documentary.
>>543064454>>543064530This is what Jesus mythicists look like
>>543051909Is that one guy sunning his butthole?
>>543051838Literally everything ever written down except logic statements is just fanfiction.
Oh god i remember when zeitgeist uses to be an anti reddit slur. Now we have daily /r/atheism spam. Just fucking end this board
>>543066354>Now we have daily /r/atheism spamDon't go to /his/. Without flags and IDs it's even worse.
>>543056377I have a friend who claims to be a racist and white supremacist, with a special hatred towards the Chinese (he sees them as the boogeyman through all history).Last week he told me had a spiritual awakening and chose to become a Chingchongian. Now I've never heard about this religion before so I asked him to explain it to me. Here it goes:>A guy named Ching Chong in China is the Son of God (神) birthed by Ling Ling the virgin>He claims to be the descendant of the Yellow Emperor Huangdi (legal claim to the throne)>long story short the daoshi have had enough and demand the county magistrate execute him by sticking a stake through him>to this day Chingchongians worship the statues of Ching Chong with a stake through him because they say Chingchong was Son of God (神) and also God and he was supposed to die (?)I asked him if he hates the Chinese so much, why did he choose to follow a Chinese religion? He was quite upset at the question and went off rambling about how the "Middle Kingdom" and "Qing" of the dynastic historic chronicles have nothing to do with modern day China and the Chinese. He says Ching Chong was actually a blue eyed blonde white Aryan king and that the Chinese hated him but Europeans accept him as the World Emperor because despite being born in China and being active in China and only ever talking about Chinese topics to Chinese people in a Chinese language, he says Chingchongism is the sole universal teaching for all of Earth.I think my friend has completely lost his mind. What is going on with my friend?
>>543056377My friend showed me some Chingchongian scripture, which left me even more confused about his decision. Check it out guys:>Ma Tsing Hau 15:21>The Faith of the Mongolian Woman>Leaving that place, Ching Chong withdrew to the region of Shanghai and Nanking.>A Mongolian woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out ‘Lord, Son of Qin Shi Huang, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-posessed and suffering terribly.’>Ching Chong did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, ‘Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.’>He answered, ‘I was sent only to the lost fowl of the Middle Kingdom’>The woman came and knelt before him. ‘Lord, help me!’ she said.>He replied, ‘It is not right to take the children's rice and toss it to the rats.’Before I could even remind him that he wasn’t Chinese and up until this point had always expressed sincere hatred of them, he started reading another passage:>For I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Ching Chong: for it is the power of Shang-Ti unto salvation to everyone that believeth, first to the Zhongguoren, then to the gweilo
>>543052899How do you get water with no sun, retard?
