I was visited by Jehova's Witness today. Is this just Christianity with extra steps?
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>>543053079it’s a doomsday cult they’re not really christians
"Jehovah's Witnesses" are evil. Just stay away. If you're interested in Christianity, read the Bible. It's worth it.
>Is this just Christianitythey reject the divinity of Christ so by definition they're not Christian. They're like Jews who think Jesus was good but was Michael the Archangel the whole time.
>>543053162I find it impossible to believe in a God defined by the bible and modern religion or most religions. Claiming humans and life is too complex to have formed from evolution or randomness but that an ever more complex creator could just exist and bypass the requirement of needing to be created because they are complex.
>>543053079Yes.
>>543053187No, they don't. They still think he's the Messiah, they just don't think he's literally God and they don't believe in holidays because they considered idol worship. All you Christians are equally retarded don't act like you're any better than them.
>>543053079It's Christianity with extra chromosomes
>>543053079jw arent christians. they're kinda a cult you would call it I guess.
>>543053383All you heathencucks are equally retarded.Jesus rose from the dead, and that's a proven historical fact.Christianity is the true and correct religion.We will continue to spread it, and there's nothing you can do to stop it.Christianity is true.God is real.Demons are real.Hell is real.Heaven is real.Jesus is Lord.https://www.reasonablefaith.org/writings/scholarly-writingshttps://laurazpowell.org/blog/just-the-facts-maam-the-minimal-facts-argument-for-the-resurrection-of-jesus>The best explanation for the facts agreed upon by virtually every scholar of every religious persuasion and worldview who has studied the evidence is that Jesus actually rose from the dead. If someone wants to dispute this, they must deal with the evidence, including the criteria for historical reliability, and offer some reason why this explanation falls short or provide a better explanation for the facts.https://youtube.com/watch?v=12syh8dPOtohttps://youtube.com/watch?v=JzklRPDfAj0https://capturingchristianity.com/fact-fiction-resurrection-jesus-comprehensive-case/https://crossexamined.org/the-minimal-facts-of-the-resurrection/
>>543053518>All you heathencucks are equally retarded.>JEWSUS WAS A MAGICAL ZOMBIE WIZARD WHO COULD CAST WIZARD SPELLS AND WAS A NECROMANCER OKAY GOYfuck off Christcuck
i will convert for the Christian tradwife pussy
>>543053247God is simple.https://youtube.com/watch?v=wlpdpAnVwgI
>>543053079It's a Christian ponzi scheme, you're forced to go out and knock on doors and you're tracked like slaves. They totally throw John 3:16 out the window and turn it into a saved by Jesus correspondence course. You can't be baptitzed until you complete it and get your completion certificate.
>>543053715Poor little heathencuck dweeb couldn't muster an argument.
>>543053079they're polytheists. they believe jesus was just one of many gods (small g). just go to john 1:1 in a jw/watchtower bible. john 1:1 will say "...and the word was A god".in a christian bible, john 1:1 will say "...and the word was god".
>>543053862>WORSHIP A MAGICAL ZOMBIE WIZARD JEW, GOY>DO IT NOW NOW NOW OR ELSE! fuck off Christcuck
>>543053518>Jesus rose from the dead, and that's a proven historical fact.its agreed upon, not proven.
>>543053144>it’s a doomsday cultso just like all Abrahamic religions?
>>543055113Sneaky little shitheads aren't they?
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>>543056463Nope. Not gonna worship a jew. Mosey on retard.
>>543053079Literally founded by Mormons which are a spin off of Protestants which are a spin off Catholics which are a spin off of Jews.
>>543053079I was raised on watchtower VHS's, it was all we had, and a couple VHSs of cartoons so low budget and obscure I've never been able to find them again
>>543053518>Jesus rose from the dead, and that's a proven historical fact.Only first hand source for this claim: the Bible.Only first hand source for the existence of Jesus: the Bible.Literally no one, not a single individual from the time of Jesus, has written or preserved anything about either. Not a single one. Not a single priest, average man, emperor, scribe, historian, you name it.
>>543053518you worship a made up rabbiall those martyrdom stories are made up "christian traditions" and not real history
>>543056729The Bible isn't a first hand source Paul never met Jesus
>>543053079>Jehova's Witness
>>543056729Just about everyone in that time were illiterate so the majority of the records were orally passed on. Like the Gospels were. Depending on how you define time of Jesus you might be overlooking Josephus. Jesus of Nazareth was for sure a man from history. Just like Pontius Pilate or King Herod. You can’t apply the same standard that proves Phillip Sheridan was alive to antiquity. Whether or not you believe Jesus of Nazareth was the Christ is another matter. But He did live and was crucified. Thats simply a fact.
>>543056979Matthew and John wrote Gospels and met Jesus. John was at the crucifixion. St Peter had a letter included in the New Testament and he met Jesus too. Paul didn’t write the entire New Testament.
>>543057472It's still not a first hand source
>>543057292It's insane how you can jump from admitting no independent first hand sources outside the Bible to saying that biblical claims with no independent evidence are the 100% factual truth.You don't understand what facts are.
>>543057472Nevermind the fact the gospels are only attributed to them, not definitively written by them
>>543053079MOVE HOUSE
>>543053079it's christianity without birthday parties or christmas
>>543058070Weren't allowed to stand for the national anthem as well
>>543056729Fact check: everyone agrees that Jesus existed.
>>543053247The Gospel IS the power unto salvation. The faith needed to believe something as "foolish" as the Bible is supernaturally created in you by reading the Bible. That's why they don't want you to actually sit down and read the four books of the Gospel. The Word itself creates the faith needed.
>>543058263Thanks for the google AI overview factcheck, what would we do without you?>everyone agrees that Jesus existedI don't, so your own claim is already wrong LOL.
>>543058263and yet all of the physical descriptions of him are known to be fabricated, funny that
>join our cult to join us in heaven>well actually our heaven is full already we just will be the helpers to the people who get to go to heavenwho signs up for this shit
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>>543053247Then start from the foundation.God is a verb.Morals to be done, virtues to be done.Following that foundation, knowing what's right and what's wrong, you'll find that it's very easy to be God. Just do good, and don't do evil.But if that's so easy, it's impossible for there to be only 1 God.By definition almost, there must be a sample size greater than 1.Which means there are millions of Gods, as there are millions of people who do the right thing, and I don't mean the right thing as mainstream media tells you is right or as the gouvernment declares to be right.They put you in jail for self-defence. That is evil.Getting rewarded for defending yourself, that is good. And as noble heroes tend to say: "survival is its own reward."Similarly it's good to inherit your family wealth and take care of it, to the best of your abilities.It's evil for the state to walk in with guns loaded demanding a slice of that pie.Then it becomes right to defend the pie, and wrong for them to win, right for them to lose.Another act they declare evil, standing up for yourself. Because evil wants to rule over good, to show how bad good is and how good evil can be.Damaged people damaging other people so the damage doesn't stand out.I remember when autism was a freakshow. Now it's a mundane fashion accessory that gets you clicks on TikTok.Both are evil. Autism is when the nervous system is inflamed into a constant state of fight or flight.It can have chemical causes, or violent causes such as infant trauma.And there's nothing more evil than a feminist mother with a week old son and nobody to keep an eye on her.That's how jews happened.The only way out of that or anything today is to be good, at all of evil's costs.And you'll win. Why? God is good. Why the fuck would gods back evil?
>>543057631The Gospel according to Matthew. Matthew was an apostle who traveled with Jesus for three years.Not a firsthand source. What?
>>543053079They do have some pretty based views. In some ways they follow the Bible a lot more closely than self described "Christians" but they have done wacky ideas too. Most importantly they are extremely redpilled on the Jews.
>>543053383he can't be the Messiah if he's not the Son of God... either they believe he's the Son of God and follow what he taught or they aren't christian and since they don't do either of these things, they aren't christian
>>543053079They re-wrote large portions of the bible to go along with a belief system started by a verified con man.Like the lite version of being mormon i suppose.The founders would make doomsday predictions and the date would always come to pass with no doomsday so they'd invent a convoluted reason for why it didnt happen and why their predictions arent total bullshit. That happened several times already and the grift just keeps going. It's sad because good people do fall for it, especially the elderly and mentally handicapped. At the top these people know they are just grifters with a cult. stay away, anon. I have a relative who got looped into their bs.
>>543058920The Gospels weren't originally named you mongoloid freak, it wasn't until hundreds of years later the names of Apostles were attributed to them, learn to historacity you peabrained simpleton
>>543057712That’s how things were done in antiquity. The oral tradition was passed down from Mathew and the others to disciples and was eventually written down. The epistle of St Peter was actually written by Peter. The letters of Paul to the various churches were written by Paul. It’s also why so much from antiquity was lost. The people who knew the oral tradition died before it could be written down.
>>543059206Well thank you for conceding that the Bible IS NOT a first hand source, great job.
>>543053518>Jesus rose from the dead, and that's a proven historical fact.Sure isn't
>>543059111Wait, you seriously believe that the disciples of Matthew didn’t attribute the Gospel story of Matthew to Matthew? That isn’t believable. The Gospels were attributed to their authors just like they are today.
>>543053079They think the cross is pagan and believe Jesus was nailed to a stake.
>>543059257Well, except for the part where I pointed out that part of it were written by men who literally traveled with Jesus for three years.
>>543059420Rhe Church acknowledges three stages in gospel formation: the actual life and teaching of Jesus, the oral tradition preached by the apostles, and the final written synthesis by the sacred evangelists. This by definition is not a first hand source.
>>543057698https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaIRzvcTT4Y
>>543053079You wouldn’t get it You sound more anti Christian
>>543053079No, its apostasy just like the mormons>jws deny the Christ, He Is God>they also claim to be the 144,000>get the cross entirely wrongShould be enough to run for the hills whenever you encounter this type of stufdTheres a great many fake apostate christians who need just as much saving as the unbeliever
>>543053079Perhaps you could be one of the 400,000 that get special heaven. Complete with a room that's not near the noisy ice maker.
>>543059111Anything but humbling yourself and giving plqce for suspension of disbeliefOh no, anything but the possibility that Jesus Is the ChristYoure your own worst problem here guy
>>543053079They are narcissistic atheists who use Abrahamic religion as a framework for female domination. >Don't believe in the immortality of the soul and just in bodily resurrection, meaning it runs into a Ship of Theseus problem as it concerns human consciousness>The 'faithful and discreet slave' the 'Governing Body' and the 'anointed' those who take unleavened bread and wine at the Memorial end up becoming 'spirit creatures'/'Angels' when they die (which is basically just a bunch of creepy old bearded men with wings and chariots)>Everyone else in the religion, according to their doctrine, is a soulless body sustaining itself blindly as they await for Armageddon arbitrarily to happen (as they are required to be politically neutral and simply subsist and obey 'Caesar' like parasites until the world ends and are said to have no soul literally), and during Armageddon they anticipate with glee all their enemies being killed by angels while they are protected (as they remain in their corporate attire) and be ushered to 'paradise'.>Bearded angels are led by Michael/Jesus to fire arrows and kill people, and then the witnesses, by their doctrine, are led to be magically delivered unto paradise in their corporate attire>Strict patriarchy and disfellowshipping policies along with the looming threat of not getting ushered into paradise if one does not 'please Jehovah' basically makes this religion a horror for girls but a paradise for incels It's basically the secret incel chud religion, and while they are outwardly 'polite' they are some of the most evil creatures on Earth. I know because I dwelled in the religion as an unbaptized publisher for a time as a child before I left it at around 16 when they threatened to kick me out for asking too many questions about the paradoxes in their theology and the lack of true scholarship (they just pretentiously shame evolution without understanding it or attempting to make it part of their theological framework).
They are the best people I've known. I'd join them but I like drugs too much and hate walking under the sun, waking up early, and talking with strangers for long times. They are great. I respect that they won't befriend me but they are always welcome. They hate war and rather die than getting drafted. Gotta respect that.
>>543060484>They hate war and rather die than getting draftedMexico has a draft?
>>543060484>hate walking under the sun, You don't need to preach that way, there's evening witnessing, or using the phone, etc.>waking up early, Find a congregation with afternoon or evening meetings.>and talking with strangers for long timesGo to a weekday meeting and watch their preaching demonstrations. "We'll just take a brief moment of your time...." Also, you don't have to spend long hours preaching anymore, there are new standards where any bit of preaching done in a month is enough.About the drugs, well you should quit that in any case.
>>543060383It is a cult that people throw their lives away following because of the promise that they will make up all the lost time that could have been spent on a career, family, or any other pursuits in "paradise". an IOU if you will. that is why some refuse to wake up. the pain of realizing you threw your life away is too much for some to handle.
>>543053079No, they are technically not Christian as they do not believe Jesus is God.They worship the jew's god.
>>543061352Why are you in a cult?
>>543056699>I was raised on watchtower VHS'sSo you just watched videos about the bible or prophecies your entire childhood?I want to know how this affected your life since Im guessing youre not a believer.
>>543061352I respect JW most among all the spinoffs of Judaism however I’ll stay smoking and out of any organized religion, if you seek god then you shall find him, marijuana helps you connect to the divine.
>>543061517I happened to overhear an elder in the religion who is 90+ and was bawling his eyes out and going through the stages of grief while in one of the tie-line conference calls for people who cannot be in attendance during the meetings about how much he hated his life and that 'Jehovah' isn't listening while his gaslit wife consoled him. Then the meeting went on as normal.It's just an elitist false religion centered on pain avoidance. There is no true family there, but a lot of undiagnosed mental illness and old codgers awaiting the end of the world as they drag their IVs through the entrance then die two weeks later.
>>543061722Is there anything in this world not considered a cult?
>>543061869I mean you could only watch them so much, we didn't get any broadcast stations that would actually come in. I was raised Pentecostal, we probably only had those VHS's because they were 1) free and 2) Bible related. I would say No I'm not to make it simple, but mostly after being raised Pentecostal I'm simply to fatigued to even engage in church again
>>543061897>marijuana helps you connect to the divineI think drug use can have this effect, sort of. It's just what "divine" are you really connecting to?I appreciated the exploratory nature of using narcotics, but God's Word just doesn't mention doing that. The implication is to avoid such drug use. Of course this would be much easier if God would provide us with some signs and/or miracles to point us in His direction.
>>543061722Jehovah's Witnesses study human behavior like CIA operatives, they meet twice a week and during the weekday meets they have a Ministry School where they practice how to gaslight people.The reason I call it gaslighting is because it isn't true scholarship or trying to inform someone from a place of authentic mutual love and understanding, they know they are working with distorted, malicious and broken doctrine but need to figure out how to get the 'worldly people' (their version of the term goyim) to swallow the poison willingly.As such even though their religion tells them explicitly they shouldn't be on image boards with explicit content like this as it's filled with 'apostates' and 'worldly people' they are going to go into the depths and study how to break you but just not tell anybody, because you only 'receive counsel' or get disfellowshipped by an elder body if they find out. It's their predatory instinct. >>543062045>All is filthy, but they're filthy in a different way then me, therefore I am clean...teehee!Source, that is Prime Creator, cannot wait to be rid of you along with all of Abrahamic supplicants.
>>543062045Yeah, but JW isn’t one of them.
>>543062384>>543062459Any movement with a following can, and does, get labeled as a cult.This term has been thrown at JWs for too long, and it gets tiresome.If you have some grievances just say them, instead of "it's a cult".I'm well aware of the mind conditioning that can happen, but that happens everywhere. Learn to say no to stupidity. I've done it.I'm being a bit vague intentionally.
>>543053079i asked this in another thread. if i tell the JW's that i will convert if they bring me a wife, do you think they'd do it?
>>543062745no, not every group gets labeled a cult. you are making that claim in order to deflect from how shitty the jehovas are. and yes, they are significantly worse than other groups.
>>543062847they are very protective of the women, so no. also not worth it unless you plan on being a weekly participant of the church and actually act like you believe it. that also includes being a door to door recruiter.
>>543062745It's an evil Abrahamic religion (as all Abrahamic religions are) that encourages intellectual laziness and communal degeneration. It says it is not of the world, yet takes advantage of every angle of receiving commercial benefit from it: tax exemption, investments in tobacco companies and so forth at the tax player's expense while insisting upon an apolitical position. As the precondition to your fulfillment as a witness is the end of the world, it means if it gets better holistically in a way that doesn't represent your Christcuck delusions it's the anti-christ and so you will dig your feet in more until the miasma of your arrogation corrodes the world back into a cesspit on the verge of destruction. The issue with echochambers is that you only hear what you want to hear reverberated back at you, and that means you are not truly preparing or integrating higher wisdom. God/Source/Prime Creator is a dynamic being who is bound by unchanging soul-level axioms by their own will, but is a being who doesn't speak to Abrahamic practitioners who insist on blind spiritual conquest and domination.That makes you no different than a radical jihadist, except you're just suicide bombing slowly by first attempting to bunker buster the collective consciousness with your weak and pathetic Christian apologetics to conceal the fact you want blind obedience or death from all those around you.
>>543058920The gospels were war correspondence.
>>543063436i'd do all of that for a sufficiently beautiful wife. most beautiful woman i've ever known was a JW.
>>543053079All christ cuckery is Jewish worship by another nameNo exceptions
>>543062847>*slobbering like a bulldog* ...You thin-k they'll let...m-m-me? *starts gooning furiously while explaining* Get virgin Christian tradwife cunt? Who cares about eschatology or the ultimate fate of the Earth? I WANT TO NUT INSIDE FRESH PUSSY LIKE A JRPG RAPE DEMON...AIEEERun over all incels with monster trucks.
>>543063740even basedence is a jewish cult, there's nothing under their inlfuencepikc your poison anon
>>543053079They think Jesus was Michael the Archangel or something. But Jesus said Himself He's the God of the OT.
>>543053079Kind of but they aren‘t really Christian since they deny the divinity of ChristThey also had to revise literally half of their Religion like mormons because people started to catch on to their bullshit with the Internet but unlike mormons they aren‘t reproducing as much and don‘t do nearly as Mitchell proselytizing (like the sister wise ads that Are crammed down everybodys throat) and it‘s all offline knoor docking and standing on corners which doesn‘t work in Today worldThey Are slowly dying off and might Not Even exist in a couple of decades
>>543053079>Is this just ChristianityNo, it's not Christianity. It's a cult. If it's not the Roman Catholic Church or Orthodox Catholic Church then it's not Christianity.
>>543064080*much Not Mitchell God damn autocorrect
>>543062745Tell the elders you no longer believe the Governing Body is the faithful and discreet slave.
>>543060383I'm not JW but believing in evolution and billion year old Earth etc is the chud incel religion. Stop being a tranny spirit indian.
>>543053079Them niggas come to my house every week
>>543060383>>543061903>>543062384>>543063471based best girl poster
>>543063772hey i care about eschatology. and i don't care about her pussy, i care about her feet.
>>543064227Evolution occurs and don't worry I know that all academic institutions are ran by kikes and atheism is a veneer for Luciferianism/Satanism.Kill all who would claim to be 'atheist' unironically alongside all Abrahamic practitioners.Regarding evolution, just as consciousness shifts across a continuum and culture emerges from ideation biology undergoes changes along with it, otherwise it wouldn't be able to contain growing consciousness, so evolution is objectively occurring however the definitions aren't always accurate. My problem with the Jehovah's Witnesses at that juncture in my life was because they were too cowardly (and knew implicitly that they'd disprove their own theological structures) if they entertained a scholastic discussion on their precepts (such as the Ship of Theseus example about their claim about no immortality of the soul but still believing in a 'resurrection' absent of one).
>>543064224There are limits to how far one should say no.But I do get what you're saying about questioning things.
>>543053079I love it when they visit, they're all nicely dressed women with huge tits.
>>543053383>All you Christians are equally retarded don't act like you're any better than them.thisJesus never told any of them to be like this, they just carried on with their idol worshipping ways and then splintered off into a thousand groups all manipulating anything that resembles what was left of the original messageMESSAGE FOR YOU ALLGOD IS NOT PRESENT IN THE CHURCH
>>543065017But they don't have to wear skirts anymore :(
>>543053079>with extra steps?Sola scriptura guys are "extra steps".Why the fuck you even try to think and write the shit online when you are incapable of breathing and tying your shoelaces in the same time?Leave the internet to LLMs and AI bots, because you ruin it with your stupidity.
>>543053079it is a DUMB religion for stupid people.My dad was an elder for 50 years. In his personal life, his wife left him, his children stopped talking to him, half of his extended family were estranged from him, and he was a school short bus driver and a hoarder living alone in incredible squalor, dead rats everywhere kind of shit.Meanwhile he was giving marriage, childrearing, and career advice to imbeciles for literal decades.it's a religion for UPS drivers and janitors.
>>543064629the school system should be teaching flat and young Earth. You're right about a lot of things but God chose Abraham for a reason because he was still choosing to follow Christ (Jehovah). You can't throw the baby out with the towel. I know how strict JW's can be it's insane even more than Mormons.
>>543061517his is SO true. my dad doesn't even care about his teeth, he just lets them fall out because "they're just going to grow back again"
>>543065908Matthew 10:32-39
>>543053079> I was visited by Jehova's Witness today.So were you visited by a brother? A sister? An elder?Also, why did you purposefully misspell "Jehovah"?Are you a pioneer, and is this method of filling up your hours at the end of the month acceptable to your Christian conscience?
>>543065908Sad af man sorry you went through that
>>543055235This one has UFOs so it's objectively cooler
>>543053079They are some weird ass doomsday cultists and don’t even believe in Jesus
>>543053753Kind of wish I did. A chick I used to date in high school converted to LDS when she met her future husband. Pretending to believe in Evangelical shit for a wife who isn't run-through seems fucking exhausting though. I'm trying to be a decent person according to my own ethical framework--am I supposed to work out latent sociopathic tendencies that much? I'll turn into a fucking monster.
>>543053079JWs are a splinter group from the heresy of Seventh Day Adventistism. JWs believe in the heresy of Arianism. They believe Jesus of Nazareth is the archangel Michael. JWs are heretical in the same tier as Mormons. Like Mormons, they tend to have good morals. They can be a little culty, though.
>>543053079>Jehova's Witness>didn't actually witness Jehovah ...
>>543059521Yeah, I (no shit, seriously) used to get hammered with a Jeho and all of the shit he talked about that they believe seems fucking nuts. He was obviously nuts himself, if he was so adamant about his faith but would drink on the regular with me.
>>543053079It's nice that their calvinist and annihilationist.So even if God predestined you to go to hell and there's nothing you can do to change that at least, it's not for eternity. The ride does in fact end.
>>543066494Witness these fucking digits
>>543066643SON OF A BITCH
>>543066625JWs don't believe in Hell.
>>543066685What happens to the unrepentant then?
Jehovahs witnesses are closer to judaism than christianity if we are being honest. they love to study and follow that old testament more than Jesus. which is why they have a lot of fucked up beliefs.
>>543066847why is the old testament even included in the bible
>>543053518>Jesus rose from the dead, and that's a proven historical fact.
The HoliestOfHoliesLiesEmptyThe two blue crystal tablets and the blue crystal staff are missing (Toto - Rains Blessed) The wailing wall is just a wall and the empty temple room is just an empty roomhttps://youtu.be/3blO7GiuHiE?si=6zowLwzh23SJglR0
>>543066840they just die. JWs believe everyone dies during Armageddon, then everyone gets resurrected and Jesus takes over earth for 1000 years, restoring it to perfection. Afterwards Satan gets to rule again for an unspecified time, and everyone who sides with him a second time and him get destroyed and the believers in Jehovah are granted immortality.
Their women are hot i answer the door when they come by on sunday morning just to stare lustfully at the chicks they send but I'd never join religion is for retards anyways.
All you do is compare John 1:1 with their version versus yours.
>>543053079I've got some that keep visiting once every few weeks and pretty sure they gave me that same pamphlet.Not sure how to politely get rid of them.Also, my dog doesn't seem to like them much whereas he doesn't really bark at anyone else that comes here.
>>543067231They're literally trying to brainwash you and get you to join their cult why would you want to get rid of them in a "polite" way?
>>543067231>Not sure how to politely get rid of them.you've got to be explicit, don't be subtle about it. they take anything that isn't a direct "no" as a sign maaaaybe you're still interested, and they WILL keep coming forever, they're desperate. and they have to meet quotas on hours spent witnessing and "return visits", etc, if they know they can come bother you to fulfill their reqs they'll keep coming whether they're making any progress with you or not.
>>543066847This.JW theology aligns much closer to Second Temple Jewish restoration movements than to historic Christianity. The Hebrew Bible and prophetic timelines are the backbone. The New Testament functions more as confirmation material than as the engine of the system. Their covenant logic is Israelite rather than Pauline: a single chosen people, strict boundary maintenance, moral obedience tied to salvation, and an awaited earthly theocracy.That puts them at odds with what most churches see as the defining innovations of Christianity: Pauline universalism, salvation through union with Christ rather than organizational loyalty, and participation in divine life rather than legal conformity. From that perspective, rejecting the Trinity is only one downstream consequence of a much deeper divergence.This is also why calling them “Arian” doesn’t really fit. Arius was still operating inside a Christian metaphysical framework. Jehovah’s Witnesses largely bypass that framework altogether. Their Christology resembles a Jewish apocalyptic agent model more than a fourth-century intra-Christian dispute.So, if Christianity is defined by Pauline theology, JWs aren’t Christian. If Christianity is simply one branch of Israel’s messianic expectation, then JWs lose their claim to exclusivity. Also, the only way for this to be accepted is to change the recognized definition of Christianity, which again, is why many branches don't call JWs Christian.There isn’t a configuration where they remain both non-Pauline and the only true Christians at the same time. That contradiction is why they’re rejected by most churches and often described as a high-control restorationist movement rather than a Christian denomination.
You forgot?Already? That's ok I am here to remind you. Think of me as your teacher.
>>543065699Matthew 18:20: "For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.”
>>543053383Says the demon worshipping poojeet
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>>543067340what constitutes divine life
>>543053079not even, it's a bizarre cult that has a weird allegorized to hell (literally) eschatology, they allegorize the 144,000 of Revelation 7 and 14 as being them, but in the text they're 12000 of each of the 12 tribes of Israel and it names those tribes.They have incorrectly allegorized themselves in those places. This is proven by the simple fact that there are more than 144,000 of them to ever exist.Furthermore, they are not Christian because they do not believe that Jesus is God, they believe Jesus is a created being.They also have works based salvationSo they have an erroneous Gospel that cannot save.
>>543067280>>543067333Can I redpill them about the Jews or will that not work?I don't know much about their beliefs and usually when they go on a rant about "how the world is ending", I just go on a rant back about geopolitics and how fucked we are if oil demand significantly outpaces supply.
>>543067340>Pauline universalismRight. So, you're a global liberalist. The woman sitting next to you at church was born a man.
They don't believe you have to JW to be saved. Think of them as special forces.
>>543068661Paul disconnected the Christian movement from Jewish law, removing circumcision and dietary requirements, which made it easier to proselytize Gentiles. Those Gentile satellite churches became "Christianity" after the original Palestinian movement. Paul's decoupling of the Christ cult from Jewish ritual requirements allowed it to be a “universal" religion rather than just another Jewish sect.
>>543068990Uh, okay? Was that your method of coping with the fact that you are a liberal following a liberal Jew named Paul?
Gnosticism. Anything that adds or removes from the words of the Bible is gnosticism, Google wants you to believe that all religions are “heckin valid” and gnostics believed a certain “heckin valid” thing, but any false religion relies on what was colloquially known as gnosticism for a thousand years.
>>543053715A brahmin would understand, unlike you
>>543068502they have absolutely no interest in politics and are staunchly anti-racist. they will probably talk to you no matter what the topic is, but all you'll get back is lame platitudes from out of their literature.
>>543068502>>543073757in other words, you're going to blame worldly problems on Jews, they're going to think you're naive for not realizing it's Satan pulling their strings and making them do everything. to them the political world is all a big game humanity plays childishly and god will wipe it out with a handwave when Armageddon drops. you live in a "fake" world being concerned with such things, while they are Awake (the name of their second string magazine) and living in the real world.
>>543053079it's Christianity with time limited slots, maybe you meet brookyln jesus.
