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>A government-appointed Dutch review committee recently determined that doctors used what the committee described as due care when euthanizing a nearly 2-year-old toddler.
>The committee said the death met the conditions of a 2024 expansion of the Netherlands’ assisted suicide law, which allowed children to be killed if several doctors agreed they were experiencing unbearable and irreversible suffering. After several doctors reached that conclusion in the child’s case, the child’s parents agreed to kill him or her through a deep sedation process. However, the report noted that several doctors said a different medication could have helped control epileptic seizures the child was experiencing.

https://wng.org/sift/netherlands-insists-disabled-toddlers-euthanization-handled-appropriately-1789592254

What the fuck.
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Europeans are very pragmatic.
Disabled children will always suffer and will always be a liability.

It's better to do what is necessary and pull the plug.

>y-you are cruel
I have watched my own aunt basically waste her entire life taking care of an ugly vegetable.
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WAT TE FUCK! THAT'S ONLY OK WHEN SPARTANS DO IT!!!
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>The child was born prematurely at 26 weeks gestation and suffered brain damage, according to the report. The child was diagnosed with spastic cerebral palsy, infantile epileptic spasms syndrome, and his or her vision was likely impaired. He or she had seizures several times a day, and also had difficulty sleeping, coughing, swallowing, and clearing mucus. The child cried and experienced shortness of breath during epileptic spasms, according to the report. Doctors said the child’s brain development remained equivalent to that of a 6-week-old baby.

It was a mercy killing. That kid would have grown to become a reddit mod if the doctors had not intervened.
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>>543067801
When did leftists go from abortion for rape victims to eugenics.
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>>543067801
You want to keep this alive, you fucking monster?
>The child was born prematurely at 26 weeks gestation and suffered brain damage, according to the report. The child was diagnosed with spastic cerebral palsy, infantile epileptic spasms syndrome, and his or her vision was likely impaired. He or she had seizures several times a day, and also had difficulty sleeping, coughing, swallowing, and clearing mucus. The child cried and experienced shortness of breath during epileptic spasms, according to the report. Doctors said the child’s brain development remained equivalent to that of a 6-week-old baby.
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>>543067902
Aktion T4, but it's ok since the Nazis were beaten?
another jew star captcha
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>>543067950
yeah this sounds justified to me
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>>543067801
>NOOOOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO PAY US EVER MONTH FOR MEDICATIONS AND INFRASTRUCTURE, GOY, WE CAN'T MAKE ANYTHING OFF A DEAD BODY!!!

The sooner the sun sneezes on us, the better.

>>543067902
This. I have seen their "kindness". I'll take our cruelty any day.
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>>543067975
>>543067975
>>543067902
>>543067950
It's a 2 year old. How do you know the child wanted to die? There is a no way since a 2 year old can't give consent.
You are missing the bigger picture, you started out euthanizing terminally ill old people, then it progressed to depressed young adults, and now you are euthanizing children. You people are demonic.
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>>543067902
This honestly, my grandma was dying of cancer and we asked if she could be a MAID candidate
The legal loop are so long that she'll die before the paperwork is donet he said, he was right.
Anyone thinking MAID is easy to get is either retarded, paid by jews or controlled by jews. no exceptions
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that's fucked up he coulda grown up to be like walter whites son. another example of europoors being clowns
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>>543068092
>why can't the child be kept alive in constant pain because my retarded religion told me it's a sin
anon, sit back down
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>>543068092
>It's a 2 year old. How do you know the child wanted to die?
how do you know it wanted to live, despite the doctors saying its life was misery?
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Boy if this isn’t a post-Harlot apocalyptic hellscape I don’t know what is
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>>543067902
The Third Reich euthanized all disabled people in Germany before the war.
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>>543067801
That's eugenics. Probably should happen more.
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>>543068092
This one was a total vegetable with a short circuited brain.
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>>543068092
This drivel always comes off as egotistical posturing and virtue signalling. The kind of shit where someone insists you must live through hell to sate their own ego while caring nothing for your actual suffering.
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>>543068209
explain why it's bad and not incredibly based
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>>543067801
White people lmao
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>>543068153
>despite the doctors saying its life was misery?
The article stated that other doctors mentioned the child's symptoms could be managed with medication.
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>>543067801
We should kill retards, including any man under 120 IQ and woman under 100 IQ. Do you not want the human race to advance?
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>>543068271
It wss based. It needs to be done here, except Maga would be extinct afterwards. Kek
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>>543068304
>>543067950
>suffered brain damage
>the child’s brain development remained equivalent to that of a 6-week-old baby.
you are trying way too hard to contrarian just because you think contrarianing whatever whoever says is "trolling"

it's not
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>>543068092
nigger it was severely mentally retarded and constantly having seizures. it couldn't even sleep. its entire life consisted of nothing but its own body torturing itself and that would not have changed.
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>>543068354
>Can't explain why it's bad
concession accepted
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>>543068092
Keeping a child in chronic pain alive is beyond cruelty
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>>543067801
Part and parcel of socialist healthcare btw
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>>543068239
Nope. It's not. A terminally ill adult who can give consent and wants to die is reasonable. That's how this law started out and now they are at euthanizing small children who have no say in the matter.
Give them an inch, and they take a mile.
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>>543067801
But le evil nazies did that to?
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>>543068109
People are making full cancer recoveries from using mebendazole, fenbendazole and ivermectin. I wish I knew this 20 years ago but go figure, big pharma suppressed it because they can't make money off of them
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>>543068209
And they lost, God give or don't give victory.
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>>543067801
>. However, the report noted that several doctors said a different medication could have helped control epileptic seizures the child was experiencing.

i can't believe this is a real sentence they are minmaxing killing disabled children, jesus christ thats horrific what the fuck man.....
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Quality over quantity. You won't save the race, by preserving white retards.
Only healthy children count and it was known all the way back in Sparta.

Basic eugenics are as essential to racial hygiene, as is the lack of race mixing.
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>>543068408
>retarded speak up
kek
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>>543068239
Life is suffering. By your cretinous definition we should all an hero to avoid it
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Force parents to keep it alive and do NOT help the parents financially or medically *eagle and flag emoji*
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>>543068450
You haven't even bothered researching something that killed family. You are retarded.
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>>543068386
>>543068367
How do you know that?
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>>543068399
The mentally disabled should be euthanized lets be real. I dont think you can properly imagine how it must be like to be born as a mexican
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>>543068429
If you think this is bad, they also don’t consider children alive in europe until 1 month old to hide all the babies they kill because it’s not worth the extra resources to save them. This is literally how socialism works you guys.
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>>543068429
the seizures were only half the problem. its brain was fucked to the point that it had trouble with basic reflexes and even sleep. even without seizures it is still a vegetable.
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GOTTA MAKE ROOM FOR MORE 3RD WORLD SLAVES

CLOWN WORLD DYSTOPIA
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>>543068381
nobody claimed it's bad, you're gonna get euthanized illiterate nigga
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>>543068479
She was smoking like a chimney to end it sooner
You know nothing yet can't keep your retarded finger from typing
kys and do the world a favor faggot
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>>543068491
because the article says it you dumbass fucking retard
>>543068496
>I dont think you can properly imagine how it must be like to be born as a mexican
he's american so he probably can, actually
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American Christians essentially believe if they virtue signal about keeping such a child alive their invisible space baby Jesus will reward them with a ticket to heaven.

There is no moral debate. It is a kind of deception where they weigh you down with your own morality In the hopes of being rewarded in an afterlife.
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I do home health visits with a 16 year old male patient that's been in a vegetative state since birth. Its a fate worse than death. The family gets a nice stiped for him so they keep it alive. Imagine being tube fed and shitting in diapers in bed for 16 years.
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>>543068516
ok so as an adult if it felt like it wanted to opt into euthanasia thats one thing, you're taking away the childs autonomy and projecting your view of life onto it, so people who have disabilities don't even get to choose if they can live a full life now? well you're suffering so im choosing on your behalf and without your input to take your life away no, you're beyond saving and nothing you say will save your souls.
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>>543068491
Because the euthanasia process requires several doctors to come to consensus on that fact.
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>>543068577
its brain would never be capable of making any kind of decision. it had no autonomy because it was a fucking vegetable.
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>>543068547
You've said nothing that actually contradicts anything I say. You're just an aggressive sperg who thinks doctors are to be trusted despite them getting all their 'expertise' from companies who are all for-profit Jews. Don't forget to get a nuclear dose of cell poisons if you ever get cancer, retard.
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>>543068491
Because they lay it out in the article, you fucking mongoloid.
>but how did the doctors know that?
Might have something to do with all the testing they did prior to this, retard.
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Other Americans with their typical holier than thou drivel. So aggravating. It’s because of this mentality with the lot of them that terminally ill old people need to suffer to their dying breath. Thanks for making sure the medical “industry” makes more profit off someone’s miserable death. Hope the same doesn’t happen to your loved ones.
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>>543068577
The child would never be able to meet the legal standard for consent, because they’re brain damaged.
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>>543068577
You pay for it. I am not gonnapay for it. It takes the full time workload of 5 separate white males to feed a single one of these abominations and the police will shoot you to death if you dont pay for it along woth welfare for niggers

The ONLY thing i care about is total nigger total kike and total brownoid death and the only thing you shoudo care about is anything that gets us there fag
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my mom used to work in a care home for disabled adults and kids who had no homes and needed specialized care, some weren't easy to be around and could be aggressive at times, but most days they just loved life happiest people i've ever been around like all people they have their off days, and the idea that some group of doctors wouldn't even give those kids the chance at the life they had which absolutely could have been much better they deserved better, they got to go on vacations and little field trips all the time, family would come visit and spend time with them and it left a lasting impact on my life, to hear that we aren't even giving disabled people the chance to decide if they want to carry on is something i just can't get behind no matter what you people say about their supposed suffering.
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>>543068654
Americans are saner than Europeans on certain subjects.
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>>543068632
You have to be trolling, nobody is this brain dead.
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>>543068644
You can't test for pain or suffering. And if you did read the article, there were other doctors who disagreed.
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>>543068726
The reason we are losing is that generally right wingers stand on principle which varies by indivudual while leftists push issues that hurt their enemies which is easy to coordinate. He is probably not trolling.

Why do you think its so hard to coordinate something as obvious as the death penalty for murderous niggers which is a more obviously bad issue than euthanasia
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>>543068610
So what's next then? Are Dutch doctors going to start recommending euthanizing babies born with cleft palates to spare them from the suffering of being bullied as they grow up? give me a fucking break
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>>543068742
Only way to solve this is make paying for brownoids and the disabled opt in. If you vote to save their lives you have to pay for it yourself
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>>543068684
i also have multiple people in my family who are and were disabled before their deaths, you know what we did? we took care of each other and lived in a multi generational home, i couldn't imagine just turning on them because they weren't able bodied like i was, i couldn't imagine if my grandfather who was a master se argent in the us air force that because my aunt was disabled he was going to have he euthanized in fact he would have probably killed someone in cold blood had they suggested otherwise.
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>>543068742
>You can't test for pain or suffering.
Yes you can retard.
>And if you did read the article, there were other doctors who disagreed.
Interpretations on what is considered suffering.

None the less the child was severely mentally and physically stunted, its existence would be absolute torture for you or me.
Or at least me, I'm not convinced you're sapient.
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>>543068795
If you're Christian you are for death penality and against abortion/euthanasia.
It's two different topics on one hand one assume his actions on the other hand we spawnkill.
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>>543068726
Retard.
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Kid was a brain damaged retard who had daily seizures and vision impairment. Actual vegetable any sane society of the past would have left him to the elements only bleeding heart vaginas feel the need to have a discussion regarding this.
I would go one step further and euthanize any male that has any form of autism. Living your entire life as a sexless loser is just mental torture and you're better off dead.
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>>543068822
A kid with a cleft palette a) is not in perpetual pain and is b) not so brain damaged that they will be perpetually unable to make their own decision. This is a terrible false equivalency.
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>>543068896
so you aren't even going to try treatment options he was 2 years old for the seizures, and the visual impairment so if you're blind its ok to just take you out? what the fuck?
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>>543067801
>him or her
Ya I wouldn't trust these faggots. They shall burn in hell.
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>>543068895
good, at least you admit it.
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>>543068857
>Yes you can retard.
No you can't. Not without self-report.
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>>543068921
Name the treatment options
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>>543068884
The christians stand on the principles. Sometimes the death penalty. They do NOT fight our enemies. Otherwise theyd kill anyone stopping the death penalty or theyd kill that woman that killed their kids

They woupd NEVER kill that woman because they dont fight againstbtheir enemies
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>>543068092
>>543068304
>>543068453
>>543068399
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>>543068453
>There's no difference between meaningful and meaningless suffering
Kill all swedes and abrahamics
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>>543068940
We can measure reaction to stimuli you fucking tard.
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>>543067902
Facts, but christcucks don't like to hear it.
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>>543068941
name the treatment options for seizure? you know lots exist right seizure treatments isn't exactly at the cutting edge of medical right now, obviously new treatment options become available all the time for a large number of ailments what point are you trying to make here chief you want me to list all the treatment options that we both know exist for seizures? thats not an untreatable illness you fucking prick.
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>>543068921
The legal standard for euthanasia requires the exhaustion of reasonable option, and the review board upheld the decision, ergo; no reasonable options existed that would have given this kid a life worth living
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>>543067801
I another 10 years having European DNA will be a mental disease you will euthanized for the slop is coming
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>>543068935
It’s a privacy issue, retard.
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>>543068491
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>>543069012
>being mentally handicapped with something like down syndrome is suffering to the mind of the dutchoid
>being blind means you're in terrible incurable suffering and must be killed by the state

get help.
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Leonidas was right
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>>543068822
What-ifs, giant leaps and imaginary slippery slopes get you nowhere.
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>>543068140
Consent isn't a religious concept, retard.
It's not about what God says. It's about what the individual about to be made an hero says.
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>>543069053
Slip met slope years ago we have government snipers defending faghots reading to children in sexualized outfits
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>>543069029
Bullshit, kys slowly, they could have said child the whole time. You deserve the rope.
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>>543069026
having european dna is actually suffering you're in terrible pain im sorry we have to go, don't you want to be set free from your pain, we've tried everything and nothing helps ease the suffering of having european dna so the state and this board of doctors decided on yours and my behalf that its time to put them down terrible cases both of them nothing we could do either.
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>>543069011
read the article you mongrel the kid's brain was stuck at the development stage of a 6 weeks old. What treatment do you suggest for this? Let me guess anything might happen in the future lol
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>>543067801
>Give birth to a thing that can't be even called a mouth breathing retard
>Now you are obligated to ruin your life and future to raise a dead end who will most likely not even make it till 20s
What's the fucking point? Raising and prolonging suffering of a defective being? The point of euthanizing such kid (or aborting it) in early state is specifically so you can give birth again and raise someone proper
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>>543068192
>He could've been me! An average American
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>>543068577
>>543068429
>>543068399
>>543068092
>Americans will bring into the world a mind incapable of any conscious experience except pain and keep it around for decades just to satisfy their own moral sensibilities.
Damn, devil is a chump compared to you guys, what the fuck.
It was a mercy killing.
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>>543068304
>other doctors
bet they were catholic. there's always some catholictard doctor in these cases who go full mother teresa on victims, proposing for the sake of argument some dubious alleviation of a token symptom or two, then erupting into deranged preaching about how the victim should suffer because gawd.
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>>543067975
Oh no, the child child cried. Kill it. At least that sems to be the argument. Might have needed glasses too when it grew up.
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>>543068294
You elected a kid like that to be your presidente
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>>543067902
It's definitely a very tough subject desu. A lot of people hold out hope that a medical treatment will come through and help the person they are looking after.
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>>543067902
Yet you welcome niggers who are all intellectually disabled into your country
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>>543069076
>your body, my choice now care about consent
lol, lmao even.
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>>543067902
That doesn't explain why you keep browns around.
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>>543069111
you people aren't humans, im convinced you're part reptillian is everything based on utility to you? the idea that people who might be in a bit of pain would want to still experience life even if limited? we aren't even giving people the option to suffer if they choose to? you're taking it upon yourself to make decisions for another persons life and deciding without their input that you don't think they'd want to live so you're taking them out early to save the parents and the state money, and im the one whose more evil than the devil? i don't think so thats you.
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>>543068567
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>>543069011
>you want me to list all the treatment options
is there a treatment for your inability to add punctuation to screeds?
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>>543069001
That's not a measurement of pain.
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>>543069089
They really believe this isn't coming to a kike controlled hospital near them I hope they are force fed their family until heir stomach explodes for supporting government killing of white kids in any context
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>>543069049
There’s a difference between a developmental disorder and (progressive) brain damage. Down Syndrome and blindness do not leave people in constant pain. There is nothing good or righteous about forcing an infant to suffer for as long as they can with no hope of happiness at the end.
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>>543069210
>this is what a stable individual would say
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>>543069089
To be fair, based on your posting in this thread, I think the board would have a fair point that you don’t meet the mental threshold to consent.
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I've never met someone that wanted to keep those people alive that wasn't some two faced peice of shit collecting tax payer money themselves

>medication

jewish scam
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>>543069178
Migger, it was stuck mentally at 6 weeks forever. What kind of decision could it have made? The only kind of suffering it experiences is meaningless beyond its comprehension. Equating it with meaningful suffering is asinine
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we invented technology like the iron lung for instance to keep people alive we innovated entire fields of medical science to help ease the suffering of people and to give them the chance to lead as best we could a normal life, and i mean yeah a bullet would have been cheaper, but we decided that we're better than that and that we could do those people better, and i just can't get behind the idea that we're not going to innovate anymore that medical science just believes a bullet is better for everyone, thats just how it is now right guys?
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>>543067801
ever heard of bone cancer? cornelia delange?

if you force a child to suffer, or force old people to exist with severe dementia, YOU are the monster here.

support abortion. pic related should not be born.
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>>543069294
Lava lamps are getting weirder and weirder
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>>543069241
The powers that be are euthanizing kids and forcing genocide with hordes of soulless brown sub-human freaks who cares about stable any more you sound like a little fucking faggot
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>>543068684
Why don't we lobotomize all Americans? Total happiness forever, utopia reached
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>>543069322
I'm a big faggot actually, i'm highly on demand when the GOP is in town.
Now where is that all you can eat buffet of dead babies? I'm feeling a little peckish.
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>>543069369
>dead babies and faggots are so edgy goy
Typical jewish dialectics
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>>543069334
i won't even lie about it, this thread legitimately bothers me in a personal way i've been too close to too many people with disabilities and illnesses to ever agree to any of this, you'll never convince me that the people who i met in my life who were some of the best and smartest people i've ever been around that because they had some form of illness or disability that was untreatable they have no inherent value even to their own family and that warrants executing them because we did the value cost analysis and you lost, what the fuck is wrong with you man....
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>>543069399
>Why can't you be serious with me? All i did was sperg out
I'm sure human interactions are baffling for you
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>>543067950
>born prematurely at 26 weeks gestation
Well that answers the question
> what color is it

>>543067975
Unit 731 didn't end in the '40s you know.
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>>543069272
Anon, no matter how badly you want it, bad outcomes cannot be avoided in the world. We cannot fully prevent all suffering in the world but we can limit it. There is no reasonable hope that medical technology would evolve to the point that this kid needed. Stringing them and the parents along for decades is beyond cruelty.
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>>543068996
Slavmonkey, you have no objective basis for right or wrong so you also don't for what's meaningful or not.
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>>543068092
Oh goody. The nullipara catholic hags have arrived to heave their dugs and wave their snuff porn posters at us all in the name of Popey McNigfoot Kisser.
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>>543069171
That's an easy explanation, he wants to see you.
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>>543067801
Libertarian position, the toddler consented
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>>543069439
I don't expect you to be serious you have no soul and are incapable of anything beyond the enjoyment of suffering
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>>543069436
This isn’t about the people you know who are able to appreciate their lives as they are. This kid had a standard of living that was much, much worse.
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>>543069459
yeah well our grandfathers didn't think so and decided they would just invent the tech to keep them around if someone was trying to take them out early, you're right though we don't do that anymore because we only care about roi and liklihood of being a producer for the state gdp, and if you don't meet that threshhold well you're going to be impacted, and thats not just at recruiting either is team composition, whatever the case maybe if you don't meet certain threshholds you're going to be impacted.
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>>543067902
>>543067950
>>543067975
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>>543068271
>>543068447
These are jewish people. They openly proclaim and brag here that they want to murder our families and children. Look at these jewish relishing in the death of a child.
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>>543069436
>i've been too close to too many people with disabilities and illnesses
We know, we can see your flag.
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>>543068092
They’re jewish, anon. They don’t care about how they look right now. They are going mask off and openly relishing in murdering children. Look at how these jews protected lindsey the child serial killer.
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>>543068209
Not all.
After Winnie Churchill had inflicted DECADES of starvation blockade on Germany with the DELIBERATE intention of destroying women, children, and fertility, Germany had an outsized number of children born to starving mothers, and/or starved themselves in infancy. They were massively DELIBERATELY retarded with this use of famine as an instrument of war on the civilian population.
Keeping them alive was cruel...and impossibly costly during wartime, when Germany could hardly keep alive its new generations of children.
When I'm God I'm going to go back and do things to Churchill that would melt entire planets if you knew what they were. And the whole City of London/Bank of England bunch of demons.

https://mises.org/mises-daily/blockade-and-attempted-starvation-germany
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>>543067801
damn europe is fucked, you know the kid was white and they would never euthanize a brown child.
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>>543069178
Anon, he is ethnically jewish. He and his people murder innocent children for fun, it’s their defining characteristic as a race.
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>>543069512
>let's give zog pretext to kill children legally its the right thing to do
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>>543067801
remove vegetable.
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>>543067801
Back in the day the mother would’ve drowned it in the river.
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>>543069272
You’re thinking of things from a White perspective- these people are racially jews.
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>>543069498
Nobody has souls, we are flesh computer and we'll cease to exist when our body rot
Just because you read a book written by a bunch of sandniggers decades after a dime a dozen prophet existed doesn't change that.
It's just a comforter, like a child blankie.

You will rot in the ground just like everyone else.
But at least i won't have wasted my time with tribal rituals, unlike you.
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>>543069540
Technology isn’t magic and there’s simply no way to undo brain damage. The world just doesn’t work like that.
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>>543069555
>>543069574
They aren't jewish, they're just sick of interacting with people like you. You should've been aborted.
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>>543069443
If I'm the retard then tell me how you differentiate between a 2 and 10 on this scale through lab testing. I'll wait.
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>>543067801
If something is disabled, you need to disable it properly.
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>>543069272
anon it's full of paid shills by Bruxelles. They're legalising all this shit in Europe so they always have their bunch of shabbos goyim trying to change the public opinion.
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>>543067902
Youre supposed to screen your foid and act well before the child is born
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>>543069634
More like smothered them with a pillow and claimed SIDS
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>>543069026
>>543069089
>>543069210
>>543069322
>>543069436
Bro I keep trying to explain this to you, THE PROPONENTS OF CHILD MURDER ARE RACIALLY JEWS! The people in this thread glorifying this are ethnically jewish! This is what they do! This is the hallmark characteristic of the jews!
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>>543069642
Nigger God is real and he hates us all get use to it
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>>543067902
This is extremely based btw. And if you disagree you're most likely a pathetic shitskin christcuck
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>>543069656
Ok jewish child molestor
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>>543069466
>This swedejevlar believes in an objective morality
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>>543069272
And how did the people in the iron lung turn out?
They died in the iron lung. What a great life.
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>>543069642
Ok evil kike chomo
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>>543069714
Of course you wouldn't disagree you can't even make sure you are the father
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>>543069735
How do you known that kike? Did you cook a few children in one for supper?
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>>543069727
Morality is by necessity objective, otherwise the word you're looking for is personal preference. Tranny.
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>>543069677
pain management itself comes from the need by doctors to ease the suffering of people who wanted TO KEEP LIVING i don't agree with this its evil and who gets to decide who lives and dies and by what metric and oversight do we allow people to argue and metagame how we murder people with disabilities, its SOMEONES JOB TO RUBBER STAMP A YES OR NO AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE STATE SHOULD EXECUTE SOMEONE BASED NOT ON CRIMINALITY BUT THEIR UTILITY TO THE STATE AND THEIR PARENTS

what the fuck......
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>>543069708
>god is real
>the bible told me so
>disregard the fact the bible written by con artists
awww better wrap yourself in your blankie
you'll feel better, until the day you die that is.
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>>543067902
>Europeans are very pragmatic.
>import millions of retarded niggers and Indians

Epileptic children usually grow out of it as their brain changes and repairs itself as it gets older.
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>>543069696
River/pillow, point is no one wants a deformed kid that’s chronically suffering, people who defend keeping them alive are what chriggers would call “satanic”
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>>543069436
I had lived with a disabled relative before. But then, i have a mental capacity to distinguish between them and braindead spasming vegetable
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>>543067902
The protestant reformation and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
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>>543069656
>You should've been aborted.
Based, every bitch-made CHUD should be post-birth aborted by a MOSSAD agent with post-partum depression.
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>>543068239
>virtue signalling.
That's all it is. And it's at the expense of the most broken and vulnerable.
It's also a fetish.
I knew a lady whose daughter had a kid with some rare mutated disease that made him never develop beyond something like early adolescence, and completely unable to walk, sit up, roll over. Just a meat bag that had to have everything done for him.
He was also in extreme pain because of some kind of imbalance that adults with the disease, and ability to communicate, said was like grinding fire in their bones.
So he had to be kept drugged up all the time otherwise he howled with pain incessantly.
(What you want to bet these posturers would claim it's wrong to assume he didn't want to be in pain and therefore shouldn't have been drugged, since it wasn't his choice???)
When he died, she just couldn't stop talking about how sad she was that her pet meatbag was gone. All she talked about was her pain, her loss, how she had nothing to do now that she wasn't keeping the meatbag drugged up misbegotten creature alive.
It was one of the most unsettling things I've ever encountered. How someone could be kept alive, enriching Pharma/the medical teams and serving as this fetish object for really twisted women who passed it off as love.
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>>543069738
>brain short-circuited
>can't think of a good comeback
>default to hur dur you're a jew
jews believe in god too retard, try again
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>>543069754
>how do you know that people who were in the iron lung died in the iron lung
History. I know you don't believe in it, you'd rather larp as a holier-than-thou and make silly moralistic judgements that you'll never face yourself than to actually look into the reality of the situation, but the reality is still there.
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>>543068304
For a price, Ugarte. For a price.
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>>543069772
Morality is in the same category as a social contract. And it is an opinion. My superior opinion
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>>543069776
>AND THEIR PARENTS
The parents agreed (because they knew more than you about the situation).
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>>543069787
I never claimed the Bible is real working on strawman arguments already? So much for high verbal IQ
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>>543069672
>yes we have the ability to measure physical and neurological reactions to things
>but how do you know how bad it really is? huh?
I'm convinced you're genuinely low IQ at this point. You do realize that painscale you posted is expressly to tell your doctor because you're not a non-verbal being and they don't have to wheel it all out to test you, right retard?
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>>543069011
You do realize you're revealing yourself as a Pharma shill ass chapped that someone removed a lucrative revenue stream from your clutches.
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>>543069856
i refuse to believe by 2 years old they ran the entire line of treatment options and it was a done deal just like that, totally no coercion going on by doctor mengele and his merry men who totally have those parents best interests in mind, never trust someone who would tell you to kill a family member because they are going to potentially cost you in the long run, thats a society you want to live in where your chance to live is directly tied to your utility to other people?
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>>543069840
Thanks for conceding.
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>>543068567
>they weigh you down with your own morality In the hopes of being rewarded in an afterlife.
Amazingly well put, anon. Thanks.
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>>543069862
>i never claimed the bible is real
>i just believe god is real
>well i got the definition of god from the bible
>b-b-b-but .......... shut up
yes retard, keep panicking.
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>>543069735
People were able to recover and live outside the iron lung though
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>>543069921
No one cares what a retard like you believes. The fact they aren't listening to you isn't accidental.
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>>543069959
>they were able to recover from polio
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>>543069964
i don't give a fuck whose listening or not faggot im replying to what the fuck i want to reply to and i'll voice my displeasure with whatever the fuck i want if you don't like that well too fucking bad.
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>>543069948
You think the concept of God didn't exist before the Bible? Damn maybe you should be euthanized you are a retard
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>>543069750
>t. christcuk
I bet you're also against abortion because you like nigger dick so much. FAGGOT christcuck
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>>543068822
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>>543069927
I did the complete opposite, mehmet
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>>543069981
>who is Paul Alexander
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>>543069996
i'm not talking about god as a concept
i'm talking about your god
you know it, i know it, but you need to keep acting more and more retarded to avoid the cognitive dissonance, and honestly, it's really entertaining to see you squirm.
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>>543068839
> we had to take care of meatbags or dad would kill us
You realize you're describing a profoundly sociopathic family system I hope.
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>>543069986
But you do care, if you didn't care you wouldn't be virtue signalling. You even signaled against Mengele, an honest doctor who was slandered by kikes.
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>>543070009
Abortion is based and mothers should be able to kill their disabled kids if they are in constant pain but giving like doctors pretext to do it is just willing suicide
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>>543068979
> I'd do it tomorrow
> But I have other things to do that day actually
> Someone else should do it though
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>>543069921
>i refuse to believe
That's really the crux of the matter, isn't it? You've decided that euthanasia for children is always bad and you won't engage with the situation in any real specificity.
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>>543067801
Unless you have a disability or some or other chronic condition, you won't know what it's like to live like that. They probably did the kid a favor, a massive favor. But of course, this is /pol/ where every poster is some kind of combination between Superman, if jewish, or the God Thor if White, along with every convergence of kaffer imaginable who reckons they're all Danny Ocean, figuring out the next score... so among such esteemed company, the idea that a young child might be better off dead than living with some horrific disability their whole life, must seem extremely foreign.
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>>543070049
thats not what i said you disingenuous prick
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>>543070042
My God? I'm not Semitic
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>>543067902
You know.
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>>543067902
Germany does seem to have a lot of retards compared to other countries though.
But then again most of them are probably not even German.
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>>543070040
A man who died in the iron lung.
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>>543069555
a jew would wait for bar mitzwah before euthanizing the baby like they do at the foreskin farm you call united states
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>>543069776
It's gonna get worsew they will allow euthanasia for evrryone suffering even men ane women being in depression.
EU is a bolshevik shithole as Jean Marie Le Pen (r.i.p) said in the EU parliement.
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>>543070097
>i sperg out about god not being real for no reason actually
ok, maybe you went a little too retarded on this one, anon
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>>543067902
>I have watched my own aunt basically waste her entire life taking care of an ugly vegetable.

You should probably be thankful for her raising you.
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>>543070014
It's funny because I can just keep calling you a slavmonkey while you have to pretend I'm something I'm not lol
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>>543069120
They own a lot of hospitals, and it's a very lucrative profit line for them.
Here's just ONE catlick hospital chain in ONE state in the US.
https://paddockpost.com/2025/02/02/executive-compensation-at-providence-st-joseph-health-wa-2023/
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>>543070124
Should they have just euthanized him? What about any white person in the hospital this isn't a moralfagging issue it's a ZOG overreach issue and ignoring that is being a weasely little kike
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>>543070042
Huh, the christian god has been syncretized and reshuffled several times even before the bible was a thing. If someone says they believe in god, you ask “what god?” and save yourself this embarrassment.
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I think there should be euthanizing programs on the other end of life as well.

How many elderly are left just rotting away in old-folks homes, stuck in the prison of their own physical limitations, just because we(society at large) don't want to face the moral dilemma of euthanizing while turning a moral blind eye to the people awaiting nothing better than death.

And it's only getting worse. On two fronts.
One is that people keep getting older and spend more time in their end of life days. It might come out a bit harsh, but it's a very costly affair on society to keep putting that much money and man-hours into people who we know will offer no return on that investment.
Second is that medical technology keeps getting better. And one of the reasons we keep staving off death from these people is simply because it's possible and vaguely cost efficient.

My own grandmother is stuck in an old folks home and she always says
>I do not know what I'm doing here
She isn't demented. She know perfectly well where she is and what she is "doing" there. We all(her included) know exactly what she is actually asking and we can't answer, because there is no good or good answer.
Feelsbadman
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>>543069964
He’s right you know. Anons itt celebrate the product of the liberal self absorbed materialist world while crying about globohomo and zog. Killing your kids isnt based or trad or nazi. Its post modern liberalism. Peak boomer ideology.
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>>543069986
I wish we could euthanize you
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>>543070202
Your country allow zoophilia mariages. Wtf, seek Jesus Christ retard.
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>>543070154
Do you think kikes and their other 2 dumb ass psyops have a monopoly on believing in God he exist outside of the Bible every civilization ever believes in God
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>>543070202
>save yourself from watching them squirm when they back themselves into a corner
and skip all the fun? that's the whole point
It's the equivalent of taking a car to reach the marathon's finish line faster.
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>>543067801
>What the fuck.
Feminism, Satanism. Canadian laws are not any better. Imagine having a psychologist on staff who takes your medication away so you die quicker to be organ harvested..
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>>543069294
They won't reply to this, anon. They will look away and tell pretty stories instead. They are as cold as a nun's pussy and as mean as a priest sodomizing altar boys in the sacristy.
And they pose as virtuous.
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>>543070188
>Should they have just euthanized him?
Yes.
>What about any white person in the hospital
They're curable, retard.
They should euthenize you though, all Americans should be euthenized desu it'd make the world a Whiter and far less jewish place.
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>>543067801
>epileptic seizures
in other words they needed the kids organs for some jew in usa london or israel
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>>543070251
>supports Jewish doctors having the ability to kill white kids
You know that slope is coming up right? We seen it with every other policy ZOG pushes
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>>543070243
>to be organ harvested..
oh noooooooo this anon gets it too.,
boom
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>>543069178
Under a thin veneer of principles you hide your paranoid fear of death, which is why you oppose it wherever it occurs even at the cost of your own humanity.
Treat death with the same respect you treat life and you too may have a chance at being a complete man.
Sometimes death is the best healer anon.
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>>543070237
>go on a weird non sequitur
i accept your concession, anon, it's getting late for me too.
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>>543070284
Sometime we will have to talk about how jews/masons/glowniggers are raiding organs of victims of terrorism.
More than 90 bodies harvested for the truck of peace.
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>>543070236
You must have brain damage from all the nafris we send you.
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>>543070093
Aaaaand you react to an outside observation by thinking about penis.
kek
Yep, sociopathic family alright.
Also, look up "disingenuous." I don't think you know what it means.
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>>543070337
You are generally the most retarded person I've talked to on here for equating not supporting legal white murder with being a christcuck maybe it'd just top level trolling
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>>543070228
The only "right" he is is rightoid.
Why are you acting like parents never dumped their babies in a forest or threw them into a river when they were heavily disabled back before modern medicine was a thing? I'm sure some of them even took older kids out behind the barn if they contracted a known severe illness.
Shove your self righteousness up your ass cunt. You'd never raise that kid either, you'd make the exact same decision, and you know it.
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>>543070307
I support any doctor having the ability to kill you specifically. Or any person for that matter.
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>>543070374
>i'm not retarded, you are
good night anon
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>>543070393
Parents killing their kids isn't the same thing as kikes legally murdering a child in a medical setting you shouldn't have to be told that
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>>543067902
I have a story from an old coworker of mine and he had a sister who was basically a vegetable. He said it was horrible. She finally died at age 17 from natural causes. But it took a lot out of the entire family. He was relieved she finally passed away. But he was like I can't believe I had ideas of just smothering her for years to end her suffering. He feels bad about that but also felt ok with ending her pain. Long story short. Her death wasn't in vain. Or useless. They were able to harvest her organs and gave it to ppl on the donor list. Because for a long time they didn't allow ppl who were severally disabled to organ donate because a lot of times the organs aren't good. Or it would be predatory to just snuff one out to get the organs. But he said after 9/11 they changed the laws so her heart beats on in some chicks chest today and it's been many years and it gives the family a sense of pride knowing all those 17 years weren't for nothing. It helped save other lives. So there is that.
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>>543070173
What do monkeys have to do with slavs anyway? We don't have prognathism and we're pale, neither do we have chimp outs
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>>543070427
Why are you pretending like the parents were against it?
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>>543070323
this board really is a psych ward, huh?
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>>543067801
Lucky parents arent stuck looking after a dead weight retard for the rest of their lives
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>>543070364
I wish Franco would have won. Your CNT faggots were sadistic bastards, French revolution tier of barbary in the 20th century.
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Did they use a little baby sized syringe with baby poison?
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>>543070323
i oppose needless killing because i've seen a lot of people around me die, the richest country on earth shouldn't have to suffer so much poverty and sickness i want better for people because im on the bottom myself, they are going to come for the poor next if being ill is enough reason to execute being poor isn't soon after.
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>>543070475
Win what, immortality?
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>>543070220
This is more goalpost moving bullshit.
Old people are killed off without consent in a thousand different ways every fucking day, you lying bitch. That's what hospitals fucking DO. The only ones that end up in care centers are the ones the hospitals haven't managed to kill.
The question is how come there's no money to create care settings that are more social and less medicalized.
And the fucking answer to that is FOLLOW THE FUCKING MONEY.
Where were you during the pretend "covid" "pandemic"? That was used to kill millions of people outright by turning them into zombies then shoving a pipe down their breathing tubes, or if they could still breathe, giving them death chemicals like remdesivir.
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>>543070453
If they wanted that kid dead then do it yourself don't outsource your job and give ZOG pretext for child murder with fake documents we both know jews will use this to kill newborns without parents consent
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>>543070488
Probably used gas would be my thoughts. At least where I'm from kids if kids are put under for surgery they have the option of gas or a needle at a certain age, at a younger age they just get gas and as you age just the needle.
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>>543070506
You win demonic possedsion with this kind lr shit. I knew a girl, her father was in the CNT and did "occult things", meaning they were murdering priests.
I shit you not almost every night he saw a demon on his chest paralyzing him. A appetizer to hell.
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>>543070556
Put the crack pipe down NOW your posts do not make any sense
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>>543070530
21 posts in and you didn't even read the bare minimum? Sounds about right.
Pro tip, doctors can do it more effectively, cleanly and kindly than parents can. Unless you're expecting them to grab the ol' exercise band, a bit rock, or splatter the kids brain across the wall then it's better to get a doctor to do it.
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>>543070589
mistyped but Im warning you faggots. Don't play with the fire.
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>>543070491
>Definition of a mercy killing
>Needless
What kind of killing is needful then in your opinion? Because it seems that there is none.
Anyway, your posts are meandering trains of thought splurged out in text form - I suspect either speech to text or mental illness, unsure which, perhaps both.
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>>543070598
When the slippry slope stop existing then a policy like this can work but give it another 20 years and they will euthanize white kids for pre-crime of racism and you will still cheer it on as based like a fucking bitch
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>>543070530
You understand that's worse for both the parents and the kid right? And that a procedure like this is the better outcome for everyone involved?
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>>543067801
>kill him or her
>old enough to be killed
>not old enough to have their gender assigned
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>>543070598
And even beyond that, asking parents to kill their own child is inhumane.
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>>543070657
What's worse is the future laws like this will create
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>>543070642
Stop pretending you care about White kids you mutt.
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This thread really showcases what abandoning religion has done to Europe. Get rid of Christianity and you get rid of the idea that human life has value.
In rapid succession, merely a few years, we've seen it go from terminally ill adults, to adults with mental illness, to adults who are rape victims, to now children who do not even have a concept of what any of it entails.
I truly believe we're only a decade or so away from public suicide booths. There are already designs for them if you look them up.
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>>543067902
Indesiderables will be killed, but with a different mental gymnastic reason
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>>543067902
Christcucks will always cry and seethe over aborting and killing mentally retarded offspring.
Simple eugenics and jews not getting money out of keeping drooling biomasses alive for the sake of equally retarded parent is something that offends them very much.
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>>543070686
>wants evil policy
>It's so wrong we have to outsource it to kikes
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>>543067801
God hates baby killers this can't be allowed or we will be cursed with them.
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>>543070694
The law has been on the books since 2002 and isn't the subject of any societal debate here. Opposing euthanasia is considered extremely fringe.
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>>543070716
Christianity only values life once you’re dead. Up to that point you’re coerced by dogma into hating every natural dynamic that conforms your being, jews turned these natural dynamics into cardinal sins, an inversion. They knew what they were doing.
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>>543070436
The entire region is a never ending chimpout, monkey. We call you this because you are subhuman.
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>>543070705
>supports kikes hired by the state killing white children
>"you don't care goyim"
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>>543070716
Christianity is under threat bigly from euthanasia, because it’s the religion of choice for retards
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>>543070716
Life is more than a biological process anon. Respect the whole, not just the part. Anyway, see >>543070323
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>>543070770
I'm guessing you're not a parent.
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>>543068742
The other doctors said that another drug could've helped with the seizures but:
>he was still going to be blind
>he was still going to be severely mentally impaired
>he was still going to have cerebral palsy
>even if the anti-epileptic drugs worked, they have nasty side effects
So yes, he was going to be a mentally-impaired, wheelchair-bound blind person who requires expensive mediation every single day to stop the constant seizures.

Which, if you truly think he shouldn't have been euthanized, fair enough; then again something tells me you would laugh at him if they posted photos of him in here and also you would oppose helping his family to take care of him and/or pay for his treatment so go fuck yourself, sanctimonious asshole.
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>>543070491
You must be a nigger because how many times do we have to repeat that there's a difference between meaningful and meaningless suffering
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>>543070790
So because you have had it since 2002 that makes it better? It only took until now to get to killing retarded white kids that's a win?
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>>543070170
Roasted that freak.
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>>543067801
It was a HUWHITE committee, this wouldn't work in the JEWSA where niggers and jews would be on the committee and lie, just like the jew bitch that tampered with rape evidence leading to rapists and pedos being freed.
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>>543070889
Retards are sub human
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>>543067801
Weak genes with severe brain damage that would die in few years on its own were culled from the gene pool.
Somehow jew worshippers see it as a bad thing.
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>>543070841
As always, atheists post cope while accusing others of cope.
>Sometimes death is the best healer
You believe there is nothing after death. Not even a void, just simple non-existence. There can be no healing if there is no existence.
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Incredibly sad but it seems justified.
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>>543070716
Yeah yeah, YHWH loves human life
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why is the yank obsessed with white kids? Spic nonce vibes
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the reason that so many religious people get so upset at this is because they see disabled kids and adults as a means to farm grace and an easy ticket to heaven
it's purely a selfish reason
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>>543070686
>>543067801
thank you for ruining my day.
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>>543070914
That is a fair point I'll give you that but euro nations can't dismiss retarded whites while at the same time importing infinite non-whites who they wouldn't kill no matter what this isn't about mercy its about all government policy being used as a weapon against the native population
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>>543067801
wish that were me
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>>543070822
I think you're making a mistake thinking that russians are slavs
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>>543067902
I've watched my further family uncle take care of down syndrome son who lived up to 65. When the down died, the father at 97 was seen smiling for the first time in decades. Then he died himself few months later.
It was not virtue, it was not good deed, it was just perpetual suffering.
And of course he was all alone with it. No christkikes, no priests, no vocal anti abortionists to help him.
But what to expect from people who took torture device as their symbol? Empathy? Or rather sado-masochism and love for suffering?
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>>543070928
WAOW, nice beating you are giving to that strawman you set up yourself. Go give the boogeyman a good kick from me as well.

Not an atheist you rabid asshole. Nice try though.
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>>543070959
Heb je zelf kinderen?
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>>543070928
Being atheistic doesn’t necessarily mean you don’t believe in some form of continuity post-biological death though. But even then it’s pretty disingenuous of you people to throw the “atheist” hook around when what’s abundant is agnostics, not atheists. Can’t remember the last time i met an atheist.
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>>543071006
>No christkikes, no priests, no vocal anti abortionists to help him.
You are retarded beyond repair. You don't live in a Christian society, you live in a jewish capitalist society.
Study hostory, see how society was organised back then, nothing like now.
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>>543070972
Well thats true I would rather have one billion down syndrome whites than a single shit skin
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>>543071068
If there was a nation of all white controlled hospitals I would support the policy but until then give them no ammo for legal killings
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>>543068408
Sad to see countries with world class education systems produce retards like this.
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>>543067801
>>543067902
based and nazi pilled
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>>543067801
Retard kid, its based you dysgenic mutt.
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>>543070716
You sure you want to go down that route with what Christianity does in regards to jews?
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>>543070831
You won't even capitalize White, of course you don't care.
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>>543071668
Phonefagging at 4 am not worried about punctuation when people think it's okay to let kikes euthanize their kids
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>>543067801
WHAT WAS WRONG WITH THE KID, FAGGOT?!?
>>543067950
Thank you for not being OP, who is as usual a faggot.
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>>543071067
>You don't live in a Christian society
My fucking country banned abortion few years ago due to christkike and churhc influence you enromous faggot.
It is exactly the fucking jew worshippers like you that are hindrance to society. You yell cry about abortions, but you never help anyone when they have ill kids. You will go and tell them that they shouldn't have fucked. Like fucking pharisees holier than thou from New Testament. Jesus will condemn all you to hell for acting like that.
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>>543067801
All of you Xcucks are retarded. That's not a life worth living.
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>>543071784
>not worried about punctuation
You aren't very White then are you.
>b-but I need to be outraged!
You'll forget about it in the morning, you don't care you just want to act like you do for fake internet clout. You'd curse those parents and child to live for years, spending their life savings if they have to, taking care of a child who is in constant agony and would never have a normal life.
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This is Satanism. They're going to unleash WW3, God will allow it as punishment for our sins and allowing grave crimes against humanity.
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>>543068979
>muh not today but DEFINITELY
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>>543070514
calm down gramps no one is after you
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>>543071890
Nigger what clout it's a message board there is no validation just people calling you a nigger or jew
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>>543068092
You'll complain and rant about what authority they had to kill it, but the truth is....they did not have the right to let it live. Sparta had it right
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>>543067801
what happened to informed consent? could someone get permission to fuck a child if several doctors all agreed? is fucking a child worse than killing a child now?
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>>543067902
>Europeans are very pragmatic.
Oh so that's why our countries are full of parasites from shithole countries. Fascinating. By the way, why didn't they euthanize you even though you're clearly a reptilian? Does this imply the pragmatic Europeans you talk about are reptilians too?
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>>543072089
Because you worship non-european as your god. And thanks to public school systems you taught non-european morality to your kids.
Before 19th century eruope was christkike only on the paper as noone read or were taught these bullshit non-european stories and just carried on with their own life and went to church on sunday.
After industrial age you pour this non european shit into brains of young people. You pour this shit through youtube, celebrities, school system.
And then you wonder - how did shitskins raid Europe?! Well you did it with your jewish worship and forcin Europeans to worship non European and started forcing it on kids 24/7 in schools.
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>>543067902
My brother in law has cerebral palsy and on top of that the doctors fucked him up by overdosing him on morphine causing brain damage. He is forever wheelchair bound , cant do anything other than use his hands as claws, and talks like a 5 year old on a good day. His mom and aides take care of absolutely all of his functions including spoon-feeding him, helping him piss and shit, etc. However, he's happy and doesn't want to die. If anything it's a burden on the parents more than anyone else, and it's a sacrifice. Killing people like thay is the easy way out for the parents.
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>>543069829
>>543069828
>>543070131
Reminder to White Christians, hide your children from these 3 jews on their holidays because they will try to snatch them
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>NOOOOOO you have to artificially keep a literal baby in constant suffering because the sky daddy in my head said so
This is embarrassing. It's pure selfishness that nobody benefits from.
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>>543068571

Living the dream.
>>543068857

Test for pain and suffering without self reporting? Explain how, me future Noble Prize winner.
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>>543069555
Kikes have you christian golems so brainwashed, you'll swallow everything from the circumcised cock of rabbi joshua. Including to mix blood and save retards, in order to weaken and corrupt the white race.
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>>543067950
>>543067975
These kinds of hopeless vegetable cases got stepped on and had their necks crushed in the past. I'm okay with that, but I think you give it just 2 more years and teenage foids end up euthanized because they maybe felt kind of an ick at the thought of child birth
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>>543070831
Supersperg, you could have been aborted before birth, but your ilk came to being to curse the board that bore you. Know that this is a mercy, not a malus, for a man so flawed is meant to succumb to his inherent weakness, slowly or quickly. The Spartans were right about dysgenics like you



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