Top biblical scholar Bart Ehrman explains why Jesus never claimed to be God.https://youtu.be/2STiabRV8TE
No he said the "I AM" thing that god said
>>543071526Protestants are worse than kikes
>>543071526Bart Ehrmanstein is one of the most obvious cryptokikes ever.
how can the son of God be God?
>>543071526He called himself son of man or son of God. He never explicitly calls himself god. Because he's not god. He's the symbol of it in the world. How the soul moves through experience.
>>543071733Because "God" in the flesh is simply Gods representative on earth, aka, the rightful heir of the Pharaoh/religion.And if the representative role ever is in a hereditary situation, like the "Messiah", the son is the same as the father, because it is the lineage that is God,- not the person.And the "Spirit" is simply the concept of correct transmission of authority, by carrying on what the position is based on - as opposed to a subversion or larp.Jesus said that the romans "accused" him of being the king of the Jews, and that the Jews accused him of misrepresenting God.But Jesus knew that his lineage had an authentic connection to Israel, and that it was the Jews who had misconstrued the meaning of Messiah, Iudaim, and Israels God because they had severed their connection to the Osirian faith upon which the Levitic "Luwian" priesthood within Egypt was based.
>>543071526I mean, this isn't some modern talking point or whatever, this has been discussed among Christian scholars for basically the Faith's entire existence.
>>543072177so they are two entities, not one
I can't trust this guy because the way he talks rings alarm bells
>>543071733because people need an idol to worship. so they choose Jesus
>>543071526>Bart EhrmanThis guy's books have been debunked numerous times. It's crazy to me that someone can dedicate his whole life to attacking Christianity. Absolutely satanic, objectively speaking. All because he lost his faith that he never really even had he wants to do everything he can to persuade the weak in faith to go to their doom with him. Truly sinister person. And to the weak in faith all he can offer in the place of faith is... nothing heheh.
Jesus did say "I am who you think I am"Which is the kind of non answer you give when you want them to think you're god, but don't wanna say it
>>543072256"made in Gods image" is the core concept of the Bible. aka, there is a specific lineage that marks the transition between Humanoids and the current era of Linguistically capable humans, whose mission according to the bible is to transmit the word of God, aka, the spirit.To separate this specific concept of God from the lineage of the bible is to equate the God of the bible as the Demiurge, which is a copout by people who refuse to accept that information can precede and act upon matter without ceasing to exist as an eternal part of creation at the same time as its image within it.
>>543072145He called himself "son of man" referencing the old testament prophecies of God manifest in the flesh.
>>543071526>hands rubbing jew says "Let me teach you about Jesus..."
>>543072145Jesus is God. Jesus is the Almighty God. Jesus is the Heavenly Father.
>>543072505why does Jesus sit at the right hand of the throne of God in heaven if he is God
>>543072575what does prince mean?
>>543071526I don't get what his point is. It's not directly stated in the Bible, therefore it's false? Jesus claimed to be able to forgive sins, and He also accepts worship, which even angels refuse. How could He do these things if He didn't consider Himself God?
>>543071654in the original greek it has a more tongue and cheek meaning as he's dabbing on the pharisee for not even knowing what they're talking abouthere's all the other times there's been separation betwen Jesus and the Fatherwith the most obvious being the first one from Jesus himself>My Father is greater than I [Jesus]>To us there is but one God, the Father.”>do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.>I am with you only a little while longer, and then I am going to the One who sent Me.>In My Father's house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you?>Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped>You have heard how I said to you, I go away, and come again to you. If you loved me, you would rejoice, because I said, I go to the Father: for my Father is greater than I.>I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.>Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise.>I am, and you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.>But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins>For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.>and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.>I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me.>I am the LORD, and there is no other; there is no God but Me. I will equip you for battle, though you have not known Me>Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ
>>543072797>Son of man, I send you to the people of Israel, to nations of rebels, who have rebelled against me. They and their fathers have transgressed against me to this very day. The descendants also are impudent and stubborn: I send you to them, and you shall say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God.’ And whether they hear or refuse to hear (for they are a rebellious house) they will know that a prophet has been among them.
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>>543072224Shut up, we need to slide /pol/ threads by any means
>>543072854>You shall keep my statutes. You shall not let your cattle breed with a different kind. You shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor shall you wear a garment of cloth made of two kinds of material.>You shall not let any of your semen be cast into a strange woman to cause her to be pregnant; neither shall you profane the name of your God; I am Yahweh.>A mamzer shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.
>>543071526it'd be anti-semitic to draw him accurately
>>543071526He claimed to be mashiach
>>543072896>oy vey! you must worship the Jewish god
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>>543072649In Samuel 8 the people demanded a king in defiance of God being in control, so he gave them a king, which he would bear himself in the linage as the king, proving to them and all of their progeny that God would ultimately be in control no matter what. Jesus is the Prince, and as princes become kings, Jesus Is The King. Jesus's title the Prince Of Peace is prophetic because his kingdom is founded in peace. Which during the Millennium that's going to happen pretty soon, all of the Christians will get to live in peace, as all of the nations will be divided undoing all of the mixing that Satan has gotten up to. Whites won't have to get mugged by niggers or conned by jews, it's peace and harmony.
>>543072505>>543072575When Jesus says “I am the way, the truth, and the life”, he’s not saying, “Worship me as an individual man.” He’s saying, recognize in me the pattern, the alignment, the current of the divine moving through flesh. Christ is the way as the shape of awakening. His words, actions, and very being trace the pathway through paradox, the descent into suffering, death, and misunderstanding, followed by resurrection, reconciliation, and love. To “follow him” isn’t to mimic the outer historical details, but to allow that same archetype to unfold within you: the image of God remembering itself in matter. He is the truth because he embodies the seamless unity between spirit and form, heaven and earth, symbol and body. Truth, for Jesus, wasn’t a concept. It was alignment in being congruent with the Father (the source, the Logos, the pattern of being). He is the life because through that unity, life flows unbroken through death. He lives in the eternal sense not just personally, but as the ever-living pulse of divine consciousness awakening in the human heart. His story is the soul’s pattern. Incarnation, suffering, death, resurrection... repeated endlessly in each of us, in every creative act, every heartbreak, every return to love.Birth, Life, Death, Resurrection, that’s the surface myth.But underneath it’s Descent, Awareness, Trial, Sacrifice, Descent Again, Rebirth, Integration, the recurring spiral of awakening. Every time you lose and rediscover yourself, that’s a cycle of the Christ pattern.Every time love survives death inside you that’s resurrection.Every time you forgive the unbearable that’s the empty tomb.Not god itself. Big distinction.
>>543073166Meds
>>543073315Where in the "The Mighty God" do you not understand? By denying the word of the prophet, you're either calling the prophet a liar, or you're God a liar, which is it?
>>543071526He didn't need to claim thatDid you forget about the trinity?>canucknvm
>>543072505Son of man is used many times in the old testament to reference many different men, it means descendant of Adam the first manHow did you even come up with your interpretation lol
>God, why have you forsaken meEnd.of.debate
>>543073315>Christ is the way as the shape of awakeningKys word salad mind fucked faggot nigger
>>543073315>Every time you lose and rediscover yourselfholy SHIT TOTAL FOID DEATH
>Spider man never said that!!!The absolute state of mankind
>>543071654"I AM" was said by others than God in the bible, and the Greek in the LXX doesn't even use that as the divine name
>>543073358hey it's a kike chanting his favorite incantation
>>543071526I don't care about any of this semitic desert nonesense. Arguing about 40k lore has more merit.
>>543071526>biblical >scholardo christcucks genuinely think they are studying or teaching something when talking about the story of a goatfucker who claimed to walk on water thousands of years ago?grow the fuck up. There is no God and if there was he'd want you to suffer
>>543071526Well the smartest Christian man to ever live(Emanuel Swedenborg) says otherwise.
>>543071526>John 14:9Yes, Jesus did.
>>543074139Jesus is not the Father according to your creeds. The bible says nobody can see God. >15 which God will bring about in his own time—God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16 who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen. - 1 Timothy 6It's obvious he is talking about his role as a divine agent there
>>543073935Ων is the Greek equivalent of Yahweh, it means the one who exists forever, it's the active present tense participle of the verb 'i am'.So ειμι and ων are both forms of 'i am', the latter however is a permanent state of being, it's what you find written on the halo of Jesus.
>>543072407I took his class several years ago. None of the arguments that he raises are even that novel, it’s the same claims already addressed decades ago. Why build a career on old garbage?
Jesus is a fictional character.Erhman makes a lot of money spewing his jesus nonsense. Apologetics os big business.The gospel stories and epistles contradict each other. In Mark you have a righteous man who was not born of a virgin in miraculous circumstances. He was adopted by god after his baptism. John has the story of a god man. Phillip 14:9 contradicts Erhman's claim, but I'm sure he has some apologetic bullshit to try to overcome that.It's all jewish fiction.
>>543074516That's John 14:9 where he is talking to Phillip.
>>543071526>>543072145>>543074516Revelation 1~5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.>8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
>>543071654>HE SAID I AM THAT MEANS HE'S GOD Your mind on the pagankike mind virusLol I am too, bro
>>543071526The words are your own. But I tell you that one day you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of HaG’vurah and coming on the clouds of heaven.
>>543074714There is a push to identify physical places as Gog and Magog with the physical state of Israel being at the focus.>>543074725He transfigurated on the mountain with three of His apostles, Peter, James, and John, go to a mountain (the Mount of Transfiguration) during prayer.Mark 9~2 And after six days Jesus took with him Peter and James and John, and led them up a high mountain apart by themselves; and he was transfigured before them,3 and his garments became glistening, intensely white, as no fuller on earth could bleach them.4 And there appeared to them Eli′jah with Moses; and they were talking to Jesus.5 And Peter said to Jesus, "Master, it is well that we are here; let us make three booths, one for you and one for Moses and one for Eli′jah."6 For he did not know what to say, for they were exceedingly afraid.7 And a cloud overshadowed them, and a voice came out of the cloud, "This is my beloved Son; listen to him."
>>543074881The Old Testament is physical, material and the New Testament is spirit, immaterial.
>>543072177WHY ARE YOU ATHEISTS ALWAYS GAY?!
>>543074899Many people are being deceived as to who is Gog and Magog by those that are speedrunning the book of Revelation according to their 'letter of the law' stumbling block.
>>543074925These people are stuck on the old wine (Old Testament, letter of the law) and are not interested in the new wine (New Testament, spirit of the law).
>>543074881>>543074899>>543074925>>543074941A reminder for all the oath laden people, repent of your oaths known and unknown, denounce them in the name of Jesus Christ. John the Baptist was beheaded for an oath, if you need a good example of where oath taking can lead you in your thoughts, words and actions. The man who was responsible for baptizing Jesus Christ is our example of the practice of taking oaths from other sinners (we're all sinners), the blind leading the blind. Sinners need not administer or take oaths, as it is an usurpation of the Will of God, claiming those who give and take oaths know all situations and nuances that will occur in the future...claiming that their oath will never convict them of a sinful act.
>>543071526Is this a Jew? Like it isn’t bad enough Christianity is tied up into Jewish nonsense with some proper western philosophy forced in. You’re going to let a jew lecture you on western religion?Disgusting.
>>543074985For God so loved the world that he gave his only and unique Son, so that everyone who trusts in him may have eternal life, instead of being utterly destroyed. For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but rather so that through him, the world might be saved. 18 Those who trust in him are not judged; those who do not trust have been judged already, in that they have not trusted in the one who is God’s only and unique Son
Non-trinitarians should be strung up by their entrails for heresy
>>543072854It is notable that most Christians are non white now. By a sizeable margin.
>>543072407Bart Ehrman is the biggest defender that Christcucks will ever have. He is one of you, except he doesn't personally believe in God. He is absolutely full of shit about the bastard son of a Roman soldier who claimed to be the Messiah and faked his own death.
>>543071654"I am hungry" Omg guys I just claimed to be Yahweh
>>543075029Niceaniggers are Jews
>>543073957>My rabbi from northern Judea wasn't a Jew
>>543074308When the Hebrew Bible was translated into Greek, the translators rendered God's self-revelation in Exodus 3:14 as: 'Ego eimi ho on' ('I am the One who is'). God then explicitly commands Moses to tell the Israelites, 'Ho on (The One Who Is) has sent me to you.' Therefore, ho on and not ego eimi is the actual title God designates as His identifier in the Greek Old Testament. When Jesus speaks in the Gospels, he never calls himself ho on; he simply uses ego eimi ('I am'), which is standard Greek for 'I am [he].' If Christian apologists want to use Exodus 3:14 to prove Jesus claimed to be the God of Moses, the titles must match, and they don't.
>>543071526>Ehrman
>>543071526Jews added the "Jesus is God" thing after the Temple was destroyed. Jesus replaced the Temple, that's his purpose. Christianity is just a Jewish cult that was at the right place and time.
>>543074881>He transfiguratedLol that shit never happened. That whole scene is made up and was never in the original texts
>>543071526That's a jew and yes he did. I love how we have written records from the apostles and very first Christians at that time, but somehow people 2000+ years later reintwrpreting it is supposed to be more correct? Who believes this shit?
>>543075379He was raised a Christcuck and he got all his education at a seminary school. He's the atheist every Christian cites when trying to prove Jesus was a real guy because he believes most of the secular claims about Jesus.
>>543071526John 10:30 30 I and the Father are one.”
>>543073587 Book of Daniel
>>543071526are people really dumb? Do they really need the phrase of Jesus saying "I am God?" to tell that He is God? Are we slowly losing common sense? Do we need to use our fingers to lift them up to get an answer of two in an equation of 1+1=?
>>543075482You're a jew. Bart ehrman is a puppet of christians yet he's still not christian enough for you.
>>543075312The form Ων can't be used in a sentence such as the following, they are different grammatical forms...>Before Abraham came to be, I am.If ων was used here it would read something like...>Before Abraham came to be, I being…”And that's a bad construction.
>>543076009You can't be q Christian and deny the divinity of christ. No argument then? Why ought i not believe first hand accounts of the apostles over some retard gaytheist contradicting the apostles nearly 2000 yrs after the fact?
>>543072177>Jesus said that the romans "accused" him of being the king of the JewsWeren't they using basic logic to draw this conclusion though, like>our records show that this man is indeed from the bloodlines your own prophecies suggest your Messiah will come from, is he not your Messiah?And the jews kvetched and said "N-noooo!" and the rest was history.
>>543076163You're just begging the question. If Jesus wanted to identify himself with the Greek form of the divine title he could have done so in any other manner while preserving the exact wording. He could have easily said that "I am the one being" like it does in the LXX but he doesn't. So it's obvious when he was saying the "Before Abraham" bit he was trying to say something completely different to what you're implying. You're reading into the text your theology and you simply cannot allow for any other possibility
>>543076786He does in the Revelation but again, saying "Before Abraham came to be, I am" is semantically the same as using ων, it just didn't fit grammatically, if it wasn't a divine designation what sense does the above statement make?
>>543075888Exactly, if someone teaches, helps instruct, provides direction, etc...but they never say "I am a teacher", does that mean they aren't a teacher? These are the same people whose spirit is to try to trick God with kosher light switches and eruvs. They are technicality laden hair splitters. Legalism literalists.
>>543071526Early life?
>>543077003of jesus? he's a jew of course!
>>543077050Jesus was Jewish in the sense that the term was applied to the tribe of Judah at a later time (after His death), so you're technically correct.So it follows then that there are no more Jews today because there is no place called Judah on the Earth.
>>543077133Why do you think they're called jewishIt was a fun joke growing up in temple"Are you a jew?""Ehh, I'm jew-ish"many kek were had
>>543076984Where does he do it in Revelation? Bring your best verse because this one is absolute trash that requires you to presuppose that this is what he meant and then force an interpretation that just doesn't work with the grammar. You do realize an unitarian can read this in a completely normal way without trying to butcher the divine title right? I AM can mean anything depending on the context, even the blind man said it
>>543071654>>543071684>>543071687>>543071733>>543072145Cuckstains BTFO
>>543071526>(((Ehrman)))OY VEY
>>543077489Related >>543074714
>>543071526Then why did they kill Him?
>>543077845He was a schizo that claimed to be king of the Jews.
>>543077489Revelation 1:8>Ἐγώ εἰμι τὸ Α καὶ τὸ Ω, λέγει Κύριος ὁ Θεός, ὁ ὢν καὶ ὁ ἦν καὶ ὁ ἐρχόμενος, ὁ παντοκράτωρ.>"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.">You do realize an unitarian can read this in a completely normal wayRead it any way you want lmao, do you think i am defending it right now? We didn't believe because of the scriptures, it's fine to question them, we believe because we have the living proof which are the Saints and the Church, you won't go anywhere by appraching it rationally because you learn absolutely nothing by approaching it rationally, that is, as an observant studying his subject from a distance, you either live it and experience it first hand or you know crap.
>>543077845One they said this man loves sinners, that was one charge, the second was he healed on the Sabbath day, and the third he claimed to be the Son of God
> top biblical scholar> Bart Ehrmanlol
>>543074725Kys pedo worshipper
>>543072855Kill all kike larpers
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>>543071526jew says thing , must be true
>>543073957I'm once again asking for one example of kikes pushing European paganism
>>543077618>>543077932The context explains what he means he's the firstborn from the dead so he's the first. And he holds the keys of death and Hades so he is the last because through him, death will finally be conquered>we didn't believe because of the scriptures>we believe because we have the living proof which are the Saints and the ChurchYes it's a developed doctrine that took hundreds of years to develop. Finally you admitted it's not in the text>you won't go anywhere by appraching it rationallyChristianity requires the acceptance of literal logical contradictions like during the incarnation. This is known
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>>543078129You first
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>>543071654Like most things in life, it was probably a joke that caused people with a 3 IQ to start burning people alive.
>>543077931yes and he was and still is , except you are not a real jew but an impostor parasitic feral enemy of mankind.
>>543072575Jesus is the Father? Bro, I'm sure that one of the herecies
>>543072896>Old Testament ramlingnice try Protestant Kikego suck off a kike
>>543075029You should be strung up by your entrails for worshipping Jewish rabbi
>>543078357>muh heckin modern kikes are ancient hebrews n shitKek
Rabbi Yeshua was NOT White.He was NOT European.He was a jew and he was brown, like all jews from that era. Look at contemporary artwork by the Egyptians.
>>543078536>look ma I posted it againe-chriggers' entire knowledge of the world is made up of fake infographics spammed to nauseating levels
>>543078278The doctrine isn't the reason we preserved the faith unchanged, we didn't have Bibles for a big part of out history because most people couldn't read anyway, yet the faith and the apostolic character and tradition was passed down unchanged from mother to son.In other words, the Church came first, then the books.>logical contradictionsYour rational processes can't even grasp a tiny fraction of a truth, go ahead and describe love for example through your rational filters, if you capture 0.00001% of the real thing i'll give you a lollipop.
>>543071526>Before Abraham was, I AM.Gee I must be an even better biblical scholar
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>>543077133>Old kikes were disgusting, goy genociding dick cutters>New kikes are disgusting, goy genociding dick cuttersThey're not the same because... Rabbi jeshua!
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>>543078302Do you feel yearning for a zutt cock every time you spread your cheeks and pray?
>>543075312>autistic kvetchingRead John 1:1
>>543078536You know that this is a meme, right? It's not real. And old kikes were disgusting as well
>>543078683IF YOUR BOOK MEANS LITERALLY THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT'S IN IT, IT'S USELESS.
>>543074969God's Will be done
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