it is a bit tragic that their life is basically over once they hit 30 and are still single. You only have 12 years to make a good decision. The clock is ticking. The moment you turn 18 your value is dropping, day by day, until eventually the world leaves you alone.Feminism destroyed women because it made them choose the man, and they're horrible at making good decisions.Meanwhile men just keep getting better and better if they play their cards right. Mick Jagger still gets his dick sucked and nuts in women at 83 years of age.What a crazy universe
>>543088255Women continue to have dozens of options, even in their 60s.
>>543088255>You only have 12 years to make a good decisionAnd they're neurolpgicslly.jncapable of making that decision. It's like society decided having no legs doesn't count as a disability and paraplegics are expected to go up and down stairs on their own.
>>543088981This only makes it more tragic. There really are men who are willing to marry women beyond child bearing years but these women still turn their nose up at them.
>>543088981What is the wall
>>543088255Women have countless options for mating. Especially if they don’t care about kids The men getting better and better is cope. You still need to do something with your life
>>543088255>oh poor thing,she can't choose between being a whore or long term fulfillment
>>543088255>You only have 12 years to make a good decision.that goes for everyone. try getting hired as a man after turning 30, it's not possible. if you're still looking for a job at that age society considers you dead weight.
*FART*
>>543088255True I'm a cat lady now. 30 and post wall roasting. I do like wine. I'm gonna get the short back and sides pixie like the girls at work.
>>543088255it's only over because they don't give birth so fuck them
>>543089192How about get a husband you fucking dork
>>543088255its the same thing for men thoughmen will cope with muh money but relationships based around money are never genuine, that zoomer whore they paypig for is getting bred by zoomer chads on the side
>>54308825531, unmarried, and everyone I know who has been married at my age is already divorced All the older still together couples have sexless marriages and cheat constantlyI feel more like I've escaped my first divorce if anythingDoes this not account for the men in the scenario?? Cause they're still vastly fuckin uselessIt's over bro
>>543089118It's when the amount of stemcells in a woman's face drops below a certain threshold and she loses the glow of childhood that hypnotized people into ignoring how shrill she is.It happens to men around 10, and then they have to grow up. Doesn't happen to women until after their brain loses plasticity.
>>543089174>try getting hired as a man after turning 30Astoundingly retarded. The bias towards older candidates is out of this world.
>>543088255>You only have 12 years to make a good decision.as a man you don't have much more. After 40 it's leftover women for you or if you want to go young - women with issues. Well, probably both have issues, lolour lives are incredibly short and half of that is just being an old fart. And you only get fully aware of that after your prime
>>543089286Become appealing enough to marry, most people aren't Nor can they afford itThis isn't feudal peasant era where the daughters get sold off to make offspring for the farm Gerald
>>543088255This is the dumbest cope possible. Thin women are always in demand - well into their 50s.
>>543089286Got the tism.
>>543088255Who made you believe this?
>>543089087Maybe they don't need men.
The ugliest couple of women I ever met had boyfriends and 1-2 other men who stayed in her orbit.
>>543088255What about men?>fight over who gets to pay her bills forever>act like the winner when you get to pay her bills foreverThis always was very confusing to me.
>>543089517It's cruel that the best part of life, your 20s, only lasts a decade. I felt like a fucking God at 25 and it was over in an instant. Fucking bullshit. The Demiurge will pay for this.
>>543089138Men like whores. That's the ultimate truth.
>>543088255>You only have 12 years to make a good decision.lol. Your father should have possible suitors vetted and ready by the time you're ready to marry. Any woman who reaches 20 unmarried chose to remain single.
>>543089488Older experienced men. He clearly means trying to start your career path after 30. Employers are going to view you the same way a man is going to view an unmarried woman after 30.
>>543089938>that videohow hellish. damn.
>>543090201Only browns do arranged marriages.
>>543090889Even white fathers used to introduce young men with a promising future to their daughter in the hopes there's chemistry.
>>543091084is there anything more cucked than having a daughter?
>>543089938horrific
>>543088255Hag HR Karens will just get surgery to look like Kris Jenner into their 70s while fucking all the forward young men on Tinder on the weekend. Their maternal instincts will go into girlbossing at their job and their sex drive fulfilled through hookups.
>>543090334Say whatever you want. Women I've known who got the best chads (viking gods that took them abroad) married way into their thirties. And chads that married young are divorced now because they got baby trapped by a goblina in their early 20s. Chads get a second chance (around 50) to marry a younger, prettier, way smarter woman. Extremely beautiful women will rather remain childless than ruin their genes, if they are intelligent enough. Sadly, ideal couples, were both are beautiful and young, have the woman become a whale. It's like a play and the world is a theater with the same forever billboard.
>>543088981Lets just be honest. If youre attractive youre always going to have options, man or woman. Most people just fall into poor habits during adulthood: eat like shit, no exercise, consume excessive amounts of alcohol to cope with their shit job and cunt wife.
>>543089938>onwards and upwardsThis a reference to that shitty book where they jump in a closet and find themselves in a world without niggers. Forget the nameAlso bare minimum only 147k? Not even 6’? I like how the show was trying to portray whores as perfectly reasonable lmfao
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>>543088255When chicks are drunk you must not be as drunk or you won't fuck
>>543089174You mean an entry level job, right? Because by 30 if you’re not an abject retard you should have at least some valuable experience.
>>543089938That gum retraction
>>543090334People say this stuff all the time but as long as you have social skills you can get away with a lot. I know people who changed careers after 30 and were fine. But they were charismatic and likable.
>>543088255>foidslop thread
>>543089460damn, you are clinical with that
>>543093225With one post by OP!
>>543089118nonexistent outside of seething manosphags. women in their 40s have higher smv than 90% of men
>>543088981Sure but they are not options that most women would enjoy
>>543088981Giving women options in the first place was a colossal mistake. Women have no idea what they want, which is why they outsource it to the hivemind to figure out what produces the highest social status. Their beliefs, opinions, and mores are malleable as a survival strategy, having evolved from loot. Not that they would ever put it that way, and the people that manage that multi-trillion dollar hivemind influence project like it that way.
>they only have 12 yearsNo they don't. Plenty of them engage in sexual activity way before 18. Which, moral puritans will say is the problem but really the problem is weak men. Her father is absent, physically or mentally checked out of her life so she ends up flailing around and making poor choices. This idea that oh it's so hard for women, it's only true if the men in their lives, their father, her brothers, don't give a shit. They just shrug their shoulders when she has a new man.My father's friend had not one, but 5 daughters to raise. All of them are happily married with children. He took an "old school" approach to raising his daughters, if they wanted to do dancing or whatever, her brother or male cousin went, she was collected at 11pm. Whenever they did enter "relationships" the father was eager to meet the guy, coming up with activities (like BBQ) to invite him. If it didn't seem to be "going anywhere" i.e. he was serious about marriage, the father and her brother would tell the daughter to break it off. Which the daughters didn't always agree with but years later they understood it. Women are very much like this. Every 35+ woman that is unmarried all thought she "had time" or that things would "fall into place" (as if by magic the boyfriends would just decide to commit to marriage one day), that seldom works out. Women are giving away the milk for free and then wondering why the guy doesn't want to buy the cow.
>>543088255If they are cunning they marry a beta who doesn't know any better in their 30's when if they met them in their early to mid twenties he would have been friendzoned at best. They know it's better than being alone.
>foids life is over after 30uhh yeah except for another 3-5 decades of wielding political power & voting for infanticide, replacement migration and abolishing the police.The Doomers are correct. we lost the moment we gave the foyim political agency
>>543089664got ovaries?
>>543088255>Mick Jagger still gets his dick sucked and nuts in women at 83 years of ageso he's a total failure at life and hasn't moved past the mental state of a pubescent youth?
>>543095366Only a woman would think this is an insult for a male, who must compete in order to mate. If anything is shows just how shallow and gold digging a good percentage to women are.
>>543088981
>>543088255>Meanwhile men just keep getting better and better if they play their cards right. Mick Jagger still gets his dick sucked and nuts in women at 83 years of age.Wow, that is some serious cherry picking. Mick Jagger isn't most men, and most men will never be anything like that.Getting women in their early 20's as you get older (which is what you want if you're being honest with yourself) isn't as easy as you might think.I'm in that position right now. Don't get me wrong, I pull. But it's not like you hit a certain age/level of self-actualization and the 9's and 10's who wanted nothing to do with you when you were younger are suddenly interested.Normal, healthy female sexual psychology is more sophisticated than that. Young women are looking for a genetic footprint. The strongest components of that footprint are things a man can't control or change, because those things are the most essentially genetic, and good genes are ultimately what women's biology seeks out.When you are older, yes, you are more experienced, level-headed, and financially stable. But you're also not as energetic. If you're competing with younger men for the same pool of women, they are going to buck up to you. You had better be fit and strong enough to defend yourself if it comes down to it.And more to the point, none of those positive characteristics I just listed will make you 6'4, broad-shouldered, or square-jawed if you aren't already.The shift in preferences among women aged 18-25 that has occurred during my lifetime is fucking mind-boggling. When I was younger, women were taught by their more traditional mothers and grandmothers that they had to suppress their baser desires to some extent. That men only wanted one thing. That they had to date with an eye toward securing commitment.Now the whole thing has gone off the rails. Women in this group want an alpha, and that's all they want. They don't give a fuck what it costs or how long it lasts.
bamp, I didn't type all of that to have it ignored
>>543095261>>543095724>>543096696I said I didn't type all of that>>543097267to have it ignored.
>>543088255>12 years to make one decision.>Still can't No wonder they never know what they want to eat.
>>543099766I'm sure you already understand this but the>Where do you want to eat?>Idk you decidegambit is literally just a continual shit test to see if the man is capable of being decisive and leading.
>>543099766Also see>>543097267
>Meanwhile men just keep getting better and better if they play their cards right. Mick Jagger still gets his dick sucked and nuts in women at 83 years of age.Lmao. Yeah look at this millionaire celebrity doing a thing. Surely me, 40yo bald fat loser, will age like wine.
>>543100144see>>543097267
>>543099918Yeah, I was joking, but I understand.>>543097267We agree mostly. I'm like you, I could easily pull girls who want older men, which is quite a lot of them. The issue is exactly as you've said. Perhaps I'm inferring. But it's simply not worth it. You'll spend your whole life banging bitches and cutting them off because they have collectively gone insane and are not fit for motherhood. I'd go further and say society has crushed motherhood and actively punished it women of course are hedged mightily in this idea and will attack each other to keep them all crazy and in power.
>>543097267>The shift in preferences among women aged 18-25 that has occurred during my lifetime is fucking mind-boggling>They don't give a fuck what it costs or how long it lasts.I have been in relationship for almost 2 years, we started dating when she was 20, I was 25. She was all for commitment, talking about children one day. I was thinking I have found diamond in the rough. She was always saying the same for me and I genuienly bought it, always saying how happy she was and using our relationship as example when talking to people how things should be. Now I was always the one trying to keeping this ship steady if something looked shaky between us and we were okay till I changed jobs and was trying to get used to new environment. I was under the impression she understood that its gonna get a bit boring now and was trying to manage the new routine and I have warned her about this. Long story short 2 weeks before she decided to end the relationship she started melting down how I was in a routine, we didn't talk that much (even though I have tried), basically told me we were becoming boring, she wanted to travel, that distance became problem with her (we were 3hrs away from each other sometimes) see concerts blah, blah. Did my best to fix those things but she had already made up her mind. At the end she said I was the best guy she could ever have and the best person she has met but we don't have the future together.How the fuck don't we have future together if im trying to build it for us. How could she not see it, no reasoning helped her understand that. Turns out all she was saying had no weight behind it and when it came to actually working towards future she crumbled.So yeah I do agree with you man, IT is fucking mind-boggling. Everything she said was the problem was fixable but I couldn't babysit her 24/7. I would also add influence of other women in the same age group to your post as a problem. Crabs in the bucket mentality.
>>543088255>Meanwhile men just keep getting better and better if they play their cards right. Mick Jagger still gets his dick sucked and nuts in women at 83 years of age.this is cope. the part of life where you are desirable ends when you go bald, get bad skin, or turn 40ish almost the same as women
>>543093684Sorry I've been so tired I zoned out for a couple hours. Good to see the anons picked it up Also>>543089191kek
>>543100426>IT is fucking mind-bogglingIt's really not. Let me make it easy for you. You (and most importantly, her) are in your 20s, early 20s. Women view their youth as a time to have fun, and they maximise this by delaying marriage and motherhood (especially motherhood) for as long as possible, as it requires responsibilities and limits hedonism. Women do want to marry. But they want to do so when they age out and the the fun life in no longer sustainable. When her youth is spend, she then looks for a husband and is shocked at the amount of men who don't care, or the quality of the men who will accept the proposition, to have a responsible, boring, mundane, routine relationship with a woman who spent all her energy and youth having fun with other men. Case in point I realised why all the couples I knew broke up when people went to uni. It's not long distance, what a joke that is. It's because being in a relationship would hold you back in fucking around in dorms. People are far harsher on cheats than sluts. The fact you can't have fun with one person then do the routine stuff, ensures I will never marry because it's just a bad deal, made by women.
>>543088255As a bitter older woman, I can ruin your life with only a handful of data points. I never need to meet you
>>543100237>I'd go further and say society has crushed motherhood and actively punished itI'd say you're missing the forest for the trees.Motherhood as it exists in nature *is* crushing.Enforced monogamy/traditional marriage is a two-sided bargain>Listen to your elders, suppress your animal urges, make a sensible choice of man and be loyal to him>Men/society will ensure that you are not left to fend for yourself while pregnant/raising a childWomen have spent the last 60 years betraying the fuck out of the bargain that was literally the best the world could ever do for them. Advocating rabidly against anything that dissuades them from having sex with the most attractive man they can get, regardless of cost to her, or investment or commitment by him.All the while, demanding that the half of the bargain that benefits them be upheld.Motherhood in nature, absent social and legal constraints on both male and female behavior, is a tenuous hellscape.She makes the momentary and impulsive decision to let the most attractive man whose attention she can get for 20 minutes bust inside her. Then she's left begging for support for a child the man was never asked if he wanted to be father to, let alone agreed to.The cold truth of the natural world is that men are physically and biologically built to R-select.To fuck a bunch of women so that they all have to compete for his time and attention.This insecurity is the only thing that reliably keeps women on their best behavior.You aren't supposed to feel good about it. You're supposed to do it, and maximize your reproductive opportunity. Period.When women ask for constraints on their desire to spend their late teens and early 20's throwing their pussy at the shortstop for the Yankees or whoever the country music star du jour is, they don't know that they are simultaneously throwing any incentive that men have to engage in altruism or commitment to them out with the bath water.It is the great tragedy of our time.
>>54308948830-45 prime employable age for a professional man.
>>543088255>until eventually the world leaves you alone.Holy shit that sounds like a dream. Women literally do live life on super easy difficulty with cheats enabled.
>>543088981Retard nonsense>>543088255Women have 12 years to *choose*. It becomes tragic when they delude themselves. Men have more (not much more) to *earn* and improve and *be chosen*. Much more brutal.
>>543101361yes goy it’s not over you can still turn it around and be like Jon hamm in mad men
>>543101187When I said "motherhood" I was referring to the bargain, of course. They simply have too many rights. And the age of consent makes it even worse by running them through pussy camp (high school) where they're almost guaranteed to be fucked multiple times and discarded, as legally the only men who can touch them are irresponsible Chads who don't give a fuck about them. They're obviously too stupid to conceive of this problem, though there are exceptions because women have to attack each other to keep the charade going. Their rights need to be taken away. A good woman is a captive woman cared for by a man. From father to husband. That's ideal. The exceptions should be just that. Deliberate exceptions. Not a tingly pussy and a bitch who says we can't stop her. Perhaps nothing matters more than removing rights from women.
>>543101394It sounds like a dream to a man. A man is expected to work, contribute, grind, become, provide, protect and build the world around him. Peace sounds like heaven when you never have it.Women on the other hand are driven by things like building a family. Nurturing a home. Being seen as a cornerstone of her people. Silence and loneliness to women is like death. Hit 40 when nobody wants you anymore because you're aged out and the phone never buzzes anymore, and it's hell. As a man though, yeah. We can fuck off innawoods and be happier than with a woman
>>543090334Nah people assume you're experienced and reliable when you're older It's the same way people assume you're nicer and more intelligent when you're attractive, what you do isn't actually as important
>>543089938> women playing womenhow are random women actors ive never seen before this good?
>>543099209Learn to be concise nigger. We don't owe you attention.
>>543088981Kek. I highly doubt that. Women are just hags over 30. Maybe if they cure aging my Pepe can get hard for older women
>>543091382>Not even 6’?Women "allow" themselves to sink to 5'11" because it appeals to their ego, they think it makes them extremely reasonable and non-judgemental
>>543100426If you have to put in effort to keep her with you, it was never going to work.
>>543088255>incel copeThe real blackpill is that women are winning https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK9w_2vfi7AHow do you incels cope with the fact that women are desirable all the way into their 60's and men are fighting for their companionship even into old age.
>>543101745The simp economy has never been more vile, they won't get the man they want but even hags have dozens of dms lined up at any given time
>>543100826There are a handful of things about being single in your mid to late 30's that are unpleasant.Going home alone on Christmas eve is a little rough.You parents are a little disappointed they're not getting to meet your kids, even though your siblings may already have their own.The rest of the time is pretty great. Travel, golf, go out on weeknights and have 3 beers if you feel like it. Godchildren, nieces and nephews who you get to spent time with.The one dynamic that is pretty rough to navigate is friends gf's and wives trying to set you up with women who are anywhere near your age.I am fit, reasonably successful, entertaining to be around, and have a full head of hair, so these set-ups are nowhere near abating.It's literally a no-win situation.>Dodge it and they think you're an asshole who's insulting their friends>Be honest with them about a woman in her 30's who spent her youth and real beauty on a bunch of other guys, and they're furious>Court her for long enough to get her into bed and then bail, and they're equally furious
>>543097267>>543100426And its this kind of stuff that makes young guys like me completely uninterested in the dating game. I'm not a shut in, I'm not unattractive. I'll socialize but I primarily listen to what women my age have to say and what kind of guys they say they want. The conclusion I came to is they want their relationship to be like a reality show, full of drama and predictable emotional highs and lows. Family asks me when I'm going to date and I say its when I find a woman that is happy with me being 100% in charge because I'm not playing the shit test emotional games of an adult child.
>>543101822LolAny action that a woman takes or statement that she makes publicly has one of two subtexts, or both:>I am very desirable>I am very virtuousThis is a case of the latter.
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>>543101940>women are winningI wouldn't call the lives women are "winning" as a positive in any sense of the word. Unfulfilled, bitter, hollow, alone, forgotten are much better words.
>>543101940Without a shred of sarcasm or irony, the answer is that if you're having to *try* to get a woman's attention, let alone compete for her with other men, you're doing it wrong.She's out of your league and wasting your time, because she enjoys the attention like all women do.Men love pussy. Women love attention. It is literally pussy to them.
>>543102084>i won’t play unless you let me winlol bro
>>543102056> The one dynamic that is pretty rough to navigate is friends gf's and wives trying to set you up with women who are anywhere near your age.How do you managed this best, best being the way that invokes the least amount of complexity to your life? This happening more to me now and may modus operandi has been mostly to pretend I didn’t hear them ask or didn’t read the message. But I know that’s not going to work Everytime
>>543101940The answer to the black pill is the death pillAll that your enemies have will be taken from themAll that pains you you will one day be relieved from
>>543102084Not to be a total doomer, but the really tough thing for guys in your cohort is that you see all this coming at you like a freight train and there's still not really anything you can do about it.For me, I can at least take solace in the fact that none of this knowledge/wisdom really existed or was public when I was in my 20's.If I had known that the majority of women were going to spend their youth flying around the world on priority standby trying to suck every famous dick they could get their hands on, I may have eschewed chasing pussy and actually put all my eggs into the basket of finding a traditional girl with imposed morals to settle down with. But I had no way of knowing that.You guys not only know that women act this way, but that they've BEEN acting this way, and there's little you can do to talk them out of it because whoredom has become so mainstream popular. Finding a woman at 22 or 23 who isn't interested in it or even a woman at 27 or 28 who hasn't done it is like finding a fucking needle in a haystack.In the coming years, I think there is going to arise a broad, intractable stigma against single women in their late 20s/early 30s where they're all just assumed to be retired hoes, and there's no data powerful or verifiable enough to disprove it.
>>543100826I guess you are right anon. Its just that she switched the board last minute, from full commitment to being scared she isn't living it to the fullest. Felt like a good slap to the face when she started having second thoughts only month after I've got a new job and me explaining it to her that this routine is gonna lead to us having fun times soon just not right this moment. >>543101869I got that feeling few months before relationship ended.
>>543089589>where the daughters get sold offWhy do people believe this ahistorical bullshit?
>>543088255simping for women should be a crime punishable by hundred lashes on your scrotum
>>543103147The best way I've found to deal with it is just to offer to take the girl out for a drink or two on a weeknight.Women in this age range often have histrionic standards they've developed where if a guy doesn't offer dinner or some other involved date idea, they'll reject it. That puts the onus back on her.If she says yes, at the very least you're having a drink with a girl you at least know a person in common with. There's always a chance you hook up, or at least you can bail after a cocktail and claim no chemistry.
Drydick thread
>>543103288> , I think there is going to arise a broad, intractable stigma against single women in their late 20s/early 30s where they're all just assumed to be retired hoes, and there's no data powerful or verifiable enough to disprove it.It’s beginning, the best evidence I’ve found is the rise of “born again virgin” content on YouTube. The eldest of the zoomettes are pushing 30, so they are hitting their panic points. They’re just as chronically online as we so they know the stigma exists out there, so they choose to return to the church and find a sexually inexperienced man there. Many succeed at this, God help those men. There won’t be enough for f those men to go around though, so the next decade is going to be some end of Rome kind of weird shit in terms of social and political movements driven by these women as they devolve into a collective psychosis.
women frequently find love at pretty much any age, as do men. the only limiting factor is how spergy and antisocial you are. perhaps why /pol/ has such a delusional take on human relationships
>>543103288I've taken the hermit monk route and try to make light of the ragebaiting we see about young men being single because they're losers that only game and watch porn. I garden, I read, I create art, I exercise, and try to help family out when they need it. I don't engage in the sins my culture tells me I must be as a single guy, but I know many young women who do shamelessly. When a culture is in decline it doubles down on what's causing such decline, one part of this is abandonment of young men. This will certainly accelerate in the coming years and I'm interested to see just how crazy the circus gets.>20s/early 30s where they're all just assumed to be retired hoes, and there's no data powerful or verifiable enough to disprove it.I anticipate many old school attitudes to return. In antiquity, singleness past a certain age was considered bad because that energy has to go somewhere. If it isn't going somewhere good like building a family, it will go towards degeneracy. You either control your sexual energy and build things, or embrace freedom and destroy what morally upright people have created.
>>543088255Got married to my wife when I was 29, she was 19. Hooked up first time when she was 18. She claims she was a virgin, don't know if she was or not, don't really care. Been together for 11 years. Prime barely legal women are with no or low body counts are the best you can get. Finding ones that aren't mouth foaming infanticide-supporting leftist psychos is even rarer. Gen Z, Gen Alpha have my sympathy. You missed out on good pussy. Even in 2015 when I met my wife, finding a sane chick that wasn't a turbo whore was close to a miracle. Now you have to just accept feminist whack jobs who've already fucked at least 20 guys by the time they're 18, if you're lucky.
>>543103614>end of Rome shitI consider this fairly often.One problem with that projection is that sperm banks exist.The prospect of a future in which women with access to their family's money and who are financially stable enough to pay for a child's existence could just design their own child and raise it absent a father is extremely unsettling.This category of woman (those raised by well-to-do) families are also on average more physically attractive, so its an option inherently available to better-looking women.I've thought about the consequences of a shift like this plenty, and I've come to the conclusion that they're nigh impossible to predict.It has been so, so god damn long since enforced monogamy didn't exist and harems were the main mating mating mechanism. To the point that that behavior is more animal-like than it would be human.It would literally turn the world upside down as we know it.
>>543088255>it is a bit tragic that their life is basically over once they hit 30 and are still single. You only have 18 years to make a good decision. The clock is ticking. The moment you turn 12 your value is dropping, day by day, until eventually the world leaves you alone.FTFYI don't have any pity for them. They genocided their own people in their societal wymin momment.
>>543088255The fuck are you smoking brotherThere is and always will be a guy
>>543102056>The one dynamic that is pretty rough to navigate is friends gf's and wives trying to set you up with women who are anywhere near your age.It's because they know you are perpetually single. If you were constantly fucking around and bringing different girls as your date or +1 to weddings and parties and other social events, it would be a different issue.>I am fit, reasonably successful, entertaining to be around, and have a full head of hair, so these set-ups are nowhere near abating.First of all, those things are just barely above the bare minimum requirements expected of anyone in a social situation, like not smelling terrible. And if you are the high value catch that you seem to think you are, why are still single? Not necessarily married or having an official girlfriend or whatever, but you should at least be able to find girls to bring with you to social events or to go home with you on Christmas Eve. I'm not sure why you think those mid to late post-wall roasties are so beneath you, when you yourself are perpetually single to the point that people are trying to set you up with other perpetually single people.
>>543101620You've seen the matchmaker. She was the slut in 50 shades and the dumbass cunt in the titular role of Madame Web.While I don't expect you've seen those movies, I haven't. I would expect that you have been exposed to some aspects of them.
>>543104401>They genocided their own people in their societal wymin momment.No they didn't. You did, and your fathers before you, and their fathers before them.It's always men's fault, because it's always men's responsibility.Women will not accept it. Not ever. There is no great judge, no great jury that any of them will ever stand before.All that will happen to them is that they will fall unwilling into the hands of immigrants and invaders as the spoils of the victory you have let them win over you.They will novelize the events in their heads in a way that frames them as a virtuous victim and a survivor.And they will still end up getting fucked by the men who were victorious. As women always do.
>>5431045721. Your entire post relies on an assumption that simply isn't true.2. At no point did I claim that it was some great affront to me, or that this behavior isn't normal on the part of women. Only that it's not something I'm particularly interested in and that dealing with it can be contentious.
>>543104311> It has been so, so god damn long since enforced monogamy didn't exist and harems were the main mating mating mechanism. To the point that that behavior is more animal-like than it would be human.That’s the thing that the mainstream “incel” discussion misses entirely. They hyper focus on the non-real threat of violence from disaffected men, but completely ignore the more fundamental implications. Monogamy was a way to bring men in from the wilderness, to give them a reason to buy into the experiment. This is literally the cornerstone of ordered human society. As you said the women will be self sufficient, they’ll not need men’s provisioning so theirs no social current to reorganize priorities of both sexes and pull the men back in. In the long run I think these problems are self correcting, conditions like this cannot survive a confluence of crises, but the shit we’ll see in the in between are going to be wild. This is where the “state mandated GF” meme originates from way back. It’s these implications that the mainstream will never see.
>>543103288It doesn't matter. This incel just world belief that women who spend their 20s whoring it up will become sad lonely spinsters in their 30s because no man will want them isn't how the world works at all. There will still be desperate thirsty beta men orbiting those women and trying to simp to get into their panties. Thirsty beta simps outnumber muh stoic alpha males who don't put every woman on a pedestal by like a million to one in every age group. Those post-wall retired hoes might be sad because they think they still deserve the kinds of top tier Chads who used to fuck them during their hoe phase, but those retired hoes will still have plenty of thirsty guys actively trying to get with them, many of them who would be perfectly happy to marry that retired hoe.
>>543105209I can only imagine how many men under the age of say 25 there are in the world right now who are already convinced that the only productive pathway available to them now and that will ever be available to them is to kill people and destroy things they don't like.
>>543104882This is the darkest blackpill of the future death of Europe, history is written by the victor and foids will never have to apologize
>>543104572>>543105079Also to follow up here,>I'm not sure why you think those mid to late post-wall roasties are so beneath youWhat does this statement mean? I don't want to fuck them. Even stripped of the context I mentioned, they aren't physically attractive to me. So what are you suggesting? That I endeavor to feel worse about myself so I will want to fuck women I don't want to fuck.Your post betrays that you have some axe to grind. I'd appreciate it if you'd be honest about what that is.
>>543088981less options, because they only involve sex, not starting a family anymoremen smell the desperation on the women in their 30's and it's not a great look
>>543094581>women in their 40s have higher smv than 90% of menpeak vaginoid delusion. women in their forties are making tiktoks of themselves crying bitterly about how nobody wants them and their best years are behind them. you can go straight back to crystal cafe or whatever the fuck retard hole you crawled out of, stupid labia.
>>543105491You're still reading it wrong.Every facet of female behavior, every little action they take, every word they speak aloud points to one underlying message:>I am a prize to be won.In other words, an object.What is an apology from a person who believes such a thing even worth to you?Can an object apologize?
>>543089664>Got the tism.irrelevant for women. men don't give a shit, most find it cute. you are not a man, stop trying to act like one. you can start by not coming to male dominated spaces like this.
>>543105226You're completely correct, but I didn't say anything that contravened that.Women will stay the same. Women be hoeing.The difference is that the stronger said stigma, the lower and lower the caliber of men who will be willing to accept that post-wall bargain.In other words, that man's station in life will become worse and worse to be in.The mechanism is different. But the eventuality is the same.
>>543088255>it is a bit tragic that their life is basically over once they hit 30 and are still single.whats tragic is the men they destroy and children they murder while destroying themselves
>>543101940my foid, they are not, let me mansplain it to youyou're having a temporary phyrric victory over the patriarchybut the civilizational course, the one that's far out of your scope because it entails considering 2nd and 3rd degrees of causation is set to take it all away, necessarilytwo outcomes>caliphat winsturns your freedumbs into Iranian style suppression of womencope all you want, but that's a loss>crusaders win (deo volente)which can only and ONLY be done by removing all women from any position of influence and powerso no matter which exit we're taking, it involves women losing what they havethere's no limp dick third 'wahmanz win' outcome because this game's author didn't consult Sweet Baby Inc
>>543089120>Especially if they don’t care about kidswomen hate kids and murder them at every opportunity, except when they can get money from kidnapping
>>543104572The fat, tatted, nigger can go.I'll fuck the only fans girl or the trad wifu even the uggo can get it. She doesn't look too bad in the picture.
>>543105209Except there is literally nothing actually stopping any of you incels from having sex or getting a gf/wife. You act like there is some big systemic issue or structural barrier making you incels or preventing you from having a wife, but there isn't actually anything like that. If anything it's far easier and cheaper for average or even mediocre and low quality men to have sex or get a wife than it ever was in the past. There is literally nothing in society preventing any of you incels from having a wife. The reason you don't have one is entirely because you never actually try to get one or do the things that are (and have always been) necessary to do to get a wife.Your grandpa didn't marry your grandma because the State assigned her to him. It's because one day he saw her and approached her and started talking to her and asked her out on a date and took her out and paid for her dinner and gave her gifts and compliments and attention that he was able to afford because he had a job and was making money, and then he did it again and again and did a bunch of simpy courtship bullshit, and met her family and impressed them and got their approval and showed that he would be able to protect and provide for her and any future offspring, and then eventually he asked her to marry him.It's even easier today, because you don't really need to do a lot of that same kind of simpy courtship bullshit anymore. But you fags aren't even doing step 1 of that process. Instead, you just make excuses and cope by lying to yourself and insisting that it's pointless to even try. But that's just bullshit, you are trying to rationalize your inaction and avoidant behavior. And you delusionally cling to the belief that the solution to this "problem" somehow involves you getting assigned a wife by the State in a way that allows you to get what you want without having to make any effort to earn or and without needing to face your fears or go outside your comfort zone.
>>543106090Kek at first paragraph. You sound like a billionaire telling wagies its their fault for not affording a house because we live in the most economically prosperous time in history.
>>543105209The Enkidu Gambit
I was on facebook dating recently and it's truly harrowing. So many of these girls in their 30s look very old, most are overweight. Nearly all seem to be leftists. I don't think online dating is even for me at this point in my life... I did that shit when I was younger and I'm out of trivial things to talk about with women. But my god... it's literally 95% unattractive, fat, liberal women. I'm not going to wine and dine some girl like that I meet online. >get match>basically stifflers mom>55, but actually clears most of the 30 something fat liberals>125 miles away thoughI'm just going to try more IRL. I'm still married but girls find me attractive. The still being married part is a major road block however. staying together for the kids has turned into staying together to avoid child support, and desu I just don't want to abandon my kids. Their mom is lazy and if I wasn't here they'd be door dashing every day into insurmountable debt and the house would look like an episode of hoarders.
>>543090334Ok done. I switched from IT to healthcare after not getting any hits in IT despite having 12 years of experience and an ass load of certs. I got several interviews the week after getting my certifications in healthcare shit
>>543088255>>543088255OP you are an idiot. Go for the fat ones. Shouldnt be hard on you fucked up prison island. But you are right in some of yours. even if I am bald and would talk or date a 18 cutie she would be a bitch but women in their 40s and unmarried, no kids are psycho cases. really fullblown psychos. Fiminism is like a drug or alcohol. First it´s cool like yeah party, good feeling but you end up fucked up with noone. What works in your 20s super cool doesnt in your 40s. Same with women. Being single, Yoga, traveling, Job... is the Pub and soccer stadium of women in their 20s. But they are ending childless, husbandless in panic in their 40s.
>>543106090You literally just need to approach girls. Practice your chit chats. Even in retail environments, simply testing small talk w\ cute, captive cashiers is enjoyable. I'm sure some of you niggas are for real incels, but I enjoy making eye contact w\ any and every girl.. You can tell pretty quickly if they're even remotely attracted to you. practice small talk and hit up as many as you can until you land something.
>>543106090>It's even easier today, because you don't really need to do a lot of that same kind of simpy courtship bullshit anymore.True, you don't have to do any of that.Instead you just have to be 6'3 and broad shouldered and symmetrical-faced and have stable employment in your early 20's in an era when thinking rocks are deleting jobs en masse. Much easier.>It's because one day he saw her and approached her and started talking to her and asked her out on a date and took her out and paid for her dinner and gave her gifts and compliments and attention that he was able to afford because he had a job and was making money, and then he did it again and again and did a bunch of simpy courtship bullshit, and met her family and impressed them and got their approval and showed that he would be able to protect and provide for her and any future offspring, and then eventually he asked her to marry him.You listed 17 separate things in this sentence. I count two that are effective in the modern world.>approached her>started talking to herGifts, compliments, doting on a woman, etc are counterproductive behaviors with women in <current year>.Women see these things in abundance on the internet, social media, etc. They are incredibly commonplace for attractive women, which every woman fancies herself to be.They are also broadly known among women to be things that inherently less attractive men bring to the table early on to try and level the playing field.Yes, you read that correctly:You are copping to being unattractive by trying to persuade her to like you with fancy shit.I understand you are trying to be positive and post a white pill in this shitty, pessimistic thread. But almost everything you said is just wrong lol.
>>543088255You are not Mick Jagger.Your long term prospects are not much better than the thirty year old woman, and odds are that if you are still single at 30 you will wind up up settling for one of those thirty year old women.My point is that life is short.You don't have as much time as you think you have.
>>543091229this. I have banged a few 60+ yo women who were hotter than most bitches half their age, not that that mean much these days ofc
>>543105615>they made a tiktok so it must be true!who's delusional?
>>543106408Hey just fyi, almost all of the dating apps use geo-fencing to restrict or drastically lower the amount of high-quality/popular profiles you see at all.The restrictions are only removed if you pay for whatever the highest tier of the app is.If you moved, you wouldn't see any of the high quality/popular profiles wherever you moved to.Dating apps are positively counterproductive not because you suck, but because they are designed to keep you on the app swiping and searching.It destroys their bottom line if they actually work and you're balls deep in some bitch.
>>543105615bro thinks the “women bitching in cars” genre is anything besides another batsignal for attention and dick
>>543106555>Fiminism is like a drug or alcohol. First it´s cool like yeah party, good feeling but you end up fucked up with noone.I have a friend who drinks a lot and refers to it as "borrowing happiness from tomorrow".
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>>543106780Danish my ass, what nigger banger of ugly grannies are you?
>male model height 5'11 to 6'3 has a 29-31" waist>the average American woman height 5'3 has a 38" waistOnce you realize that women literally grow up having all of the sex they desire and then get bored of it and want a provider for lavish vacations you begin to hate them. Nothing can turn back the clock. They cannot unfuck themselves.
>>543107195They weren't ugly, that's my point. I'd rather fuck a fit 60 yo women who knows how to please a man than some 20-something fatty pillow princess.
>>543089938What a good actress. I'm scared to death. The absolute desperation to be dating like this at this age is insane. If she isn't meet people through work or activities, she is the red flag
>>543107138sad but true
>>543105846>The difference is that the stronger said stigmaThere is less stigma today than there has ever been in the past, except maybe back in prehistoric times. There is also no indication that the stigma will increase in the future, if anything the stigma has steadily continued to decrease since the sexual revolution. Sex is normal. All normal people have had several different sexual partners by the time they are in their mid 20s, and correctly assume that everyone else has also had multiple prior sex partners at that point. It's no big deal, and the only people who seem to actually care about this stuff are sexless adult virgin incels, who aren't relevant to anything anyway.>the lower and lower the caliber of men who will be willing to accept that post-wall bargain.In the real world, no one actually cares. Literally no one thinks "man, I would totally marry that 32 year old chick except she went through a hoe phase in her 20s and fucked a bunch of dudes." It's not even a factor at this point. If she has kids, that might be a factor. If she has an actual drug or alcohol addiction, or actual mental problems, that might be a factor.
>>543106325Answer the following questions. I don't want to hear about things that you've seen in videos on the internet, or claims about what women have the power to do. I want you to state for the record your actual direct, personal experiences with the following:>When was the last time you actually approached a girl and hit on her? IRL only, online bullshit doesn't count.>When was the last time you invited a girl on a date or to go home with you, or even just for her phone number?>When was the last time you went to a party or bar or club or similar type of environment where people go to socialize and meet people and you were actually socially outgoing and talking to people you didn't already know?>When was the last time you had a flirty conversation with a girl with lots of strong eye contact and physical touching and all of the other essential non-verbal stuff, and you kept escalating and pushing things forward until you either fucked or got a definite rejection?Refusal to answer means you never actually even try to do the things men do to get girls and it is entirely your own fucking fault.
>>543107168I've always found these responses to be so derivative.Whether God exists or not (and I happen to believe he does), the reason that religion built up over human history into what it is today is that self-actualized, productive men do not have time in their day to hand-hold women and children through why every bad behavior is bad and expect the evidence of that explanation to dissuade them from it.Particularly women and children, but people in general need a greater force that they perceive as holding them accountable.The entire practice exists because the family structure is beneficial to society.You remove the family and its stability and man's ability to rely on assumptions about its presence, durability, and longevity, and it suddenly becomes outrageously stupid to assume that anyone will listen to you proseletyze.>If the rule you follow brought you here, of what use was the rule?Not to say that people will abandon God altogether.But when enemies are at the gate, threatening your way of life, the only interpretation of God's word that anyone is going to bother to hold up as relevant and valuable is "Destroy them".
>>543088255Unlike moids, us women do not have a biological drive to have sex. I can simply channel my desire to be a mother into taking care of a couple pets, that way the orange nigger can't send them to die for Jews. You want me to have kids? Stop poisoning the food and stop sending kids to die for Israel.
>>5430889812/10
>>543107680see this? not every woman should be guaranteed reproduction. it's led us to this dysgenic hellhole we call Earth.
>>543107680You will never be a woman, good luck and may the lord have pity of your soul
>>543107508>It's not even a factorMost of the time, it's the only factor.
>>543107426it is just that they mist the whole point of their life. I know both women in this age. Even 3 types. Fucked an idiot. got pregnent early and working now. Hardcore business women but family. It like more like a Femdon stuff going on when you see the husband. Lonely Feminist.
>>543107508Telegony is accepted science in all plant and animal species except humans. I don't look anything like my dad and he doesn't love me because of it. Sorry but I will not continue this accursed family structure of alpha breed beta pays for it.
>>543106733>you just have to be 6'3 and broad shouldered and symmetrical-faced and have stable employment in your early 20'sNo you don't. You don't actually need any of that to get girls. Most of the guys who get girls aren't tall jacked Chads or rich, they're just normal guys.>You listed 17 separate things in this sentence. I count two that are effective in the modern world.>approached her>started talking to her>Gifts, compliments, doting on a woman, etc are counterproductive behaviors with women in <current year>.Yes, learnt to read, that was my entire point. You don't need to do any of that stuff anymore, which is a good thing. Despite what incels claim, it's actually much easier to get girls today than it ever was in the past. >You are copping to being unattractive by trying to persuade her to like you with fancy shit.Yes. But the real issue is that you and many other young men today have been completely feminized and gender confused. You (wrongly) think the game is either attracting a mate with your looks, or attracting a mate with money and resources. But neither one of those things actually works because it's the female's job to attract a mate, not the man's. You're trying to argue that your strategy is better, but you aren't even playing the right game. As a man, you don't need to be good looking or rich, because your attractiveness isn't relevant.The male role in the human mating process is to be aggressive and take risks and make the first move and keep pushing things forward sexually. The men who consistently do those things get girls regardless of what they look like or how much money they have. The men who never do those things don't get girls regardless of what they look like or how much money they have.
>>543107508>Literally no one thinks "man, I would totally marry that 32 year old chick except she went through a hoe phase in her 20s and fucked a bunch of dudes." It's not even a factor at this point.lmao maybe if you're a low value beta male with no life achievements, smart men always have options
>>543108215>getting girls>this is equivalent to raising a familysorry but sexually aggressive dudes get their kids aborted.
>>543107836Are you capable of going five minutes without thinking about transvestites?
>>543107941>t. using a chart with data that is literally over 30 years old.Anon...
>>543108215Interesting take. Can't say I disagree with it.
>>543108413Most girls have been having sex since they were kids. I know, I dated one. Your worldview begins and ends with 'getting pussy' which anyone with $15 worth of drugs can accomplish, easily.
>>543108413>Trusting literally any academic resource, on any subject, published within the last 20.
>>543108215Despite what you said, if youre good looking and have status and/ or money, being aggressive only helps you even more. So like yeah, you have good advice, but telling a guy that looks and money doesnt count is stupid. Dont be a loser in general and getting women is easy. Get your money and looks up.
>>543108586The bulk of the things that can both be classed as "good looks" and are sexually compelling to women are things men don't have any control over.And that is a very purposeful part of their biology.
>>543088255All women 40+ I am dating say they come from a nracisist relationship or got beat up or raped by the expartner. Can some autist enlighten me with statistic. In Germany it is so. Is it in other countries also this way if you asked why not married and no kids?
>>543108118>Telegony is accepted science in all plant and animal species except humans.No it absolutely is not.And interestingly, the hunter-gatherer tribes that believed in partible paternity (which is the same basic idea as what you were talking about) were actually extremely promiscuous. In polynesian villages, the men would regularly offer their wives and daughters up for sex anytime a king or chief or other rich or powerful man came through their village, because they wanted their children to receive his powerful traits.
>>543088255>it is a bit tragic that their life is basically over once they hit 30 and are still single.Not my problem.
>>543108741Wow what a bunch of cucks lol
>>543106090That’s a lot of accusations there. Even assuming that they were all true, my post has nothing to do with lamenting the current state of affairs, but rather the abstract consequences of the status quo remaining unchanged, which it will. These captchas need to be made more difficult.
>>543094581Delusional roastpost straight from cryst*lcafe kekThe only men willing to commit that post-wall roasties like you can get is jeet/nigger and khv white permacel fatso ones
>>543088255I know at least 4 women post 30 who ended up having kids, they don't get just magically worthless. They're still pretty. If they're fit and in shape, they even get married at 40 and 50 even though they have kids with other dads.Basically women never lose.
>>543092661changing careers is not the same as starting from nothingthat said, it's still easy to start from "nothing" because you're supposed to embellish your resume
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>>543108899>women never loseYeah, that's why over half of them are strung up on SSRI meds these days and they all report being unhappy in the stats kekIn order not to lose at life, you need to be not retarded. Womemes are retarded breeding stock by their very nature thoughbeit
>>543108391Getting girls is step one to getting a family if that's what you want. I have no idea why you retards seem to think that there is some alternate path where you magically teleport directly to getting married to your tradwife and just skip over the first parts of a relationship.If a woman is willing to have sex with you more than once, she is willing to be in a relationship with you. If you keep having sex with her, eventually she will start asking you "what are we?" and pushing for an actual official relationship instead of just casual sex.And then once you are in an official relationship with her, it won't be long before she starts pushing for things to get even more serious and start heading toward marriage and kids. Basically the only part in the whole thing where the man has to actively make the first move forward is sex. From that point onward, the woman will be the one trying to push you in a certain direction, and all you need to do is agree to it and go along with it. This is the normal and expected way for these things to happen, because most men would be totally fine with staying at the sex level indefinitely, and actually put a lot of effort into not accidentally knocking up a chick or ending up married to a psycho.>sorry but sexually aggressive dudes get their kids abortedOnly because those guys have zero interest or inclination in becoming a husband or father.
>>543108529>t. loves citing present day academic resources as long as they seem to confirm his belief that there are growing numbers of sexless men or a male loneliness epidemic.It has nothing to do with the reliability of academic sources, I am not questioning the validity of the data in those surveys, I'm saying that it is irrelevant because people's attitudes toward sex, relationships, marriage, promiscuity and everything else have changed massively since the mid 1990s.
>>543109139Happiness/unhappiness doesn't mean anything.But it especially doesn't mean anything for women.It's a transient state of existence that for her is mostly determined by what time of the month it is and whether or not other women want to fuck the guy she's currently fucking.Women's feelings and their report thereof are just a means to an end.They exist to manipulate others into doing what she wants in order to sate them.Women are eugenic automatons.The exist to make men larger, more aggressive, and more capably violent over time. And that's about it lol.
>>543109439Right, so people either dissolve their marriages more quickly and acrimoniously because their attitudes have changed in one direction, or they stay in shitty, miserable marriages for longer because they've shifted in the other.Not that it matters for your purposes, but which is it?
>>543108586Having good looks can help you get initially noticed by women, and some of them will be more willing to put up with a good looking guy saying or doing awkward/cringe things, but you still have to make moves and push things forward if you want anything to happen. Money only makes it easier for you to do interesting, cool, fun things and can actually make it harder to get laid if you aren't "billionaire having orgies with models on his yacht" rich (which is basically just prostitution anyway). It isn't uncommon at all for a girl to meet a guy and be into him and be DTF and everything is going well, then when she realizes he has a lot of money, suddenly she shifts into good girl mode and acting like she doesn't fuck guys she has just met and will instead want to be taken out on dates or get a relationship first. You incels might think this is a good thing, but it is not.
>>543108741>the men would regularly offer their wives and daughters up for sex anytime a king or chief or other rich or powerful man came through their village, because they wanted their children to receive his powerful traits.sounds exactly like what we've got today. no wonder men aren't willing joining this contract.
>>543109261>Only because those guys have zero interest or inclination in becoming a husband or father.right which is my entire point that women have a dual purpose mating strategy where they breed with attractive men and then get a nerd to raise it.I know how to start a relationship it's easy. Like I said earlier anyone with $15 worth of drugs can get laid, like without even trying.
>>543089938what movie is this from?
>>543088981>even in their 60sDelusional. No one wants you crusty old cunts after 25.
>>543109813Women have, when compared with men, a proportionally larger prefrontal cortex which is the part of brain associated with lying. Women succeed through lying. Anyone who doesn't know this shouldn't waste their time around women.
>>543109261> Basically the only part in the whole thing where the man has to actively make the first move forward is sex. From that point onward, the woman will be the one trying to push you in a certain direction, and all you need to do is agree to it and go along with it.I think this is where you’re losing the plot. Many men who choose not to do these things you’ve described don’t do it because they know precisely this sequence of events, and they are a series of concessions and ceding authority towards a cage of their own making. The entire humor landscape of the boomer generation is based upon this happy wife happy life Al Bundy dynamic. The difference is that generation had such a wide economic highway to maneuver in the luxuries of life were a sufficient pacifier. Men today have all the same expectations, with zero room for error, to reach the same end state where they are serfs to the state but without the lake house. Under these conditions Amman begins to dictate his decision based on internally consistence principals, not external incentives.
>>543088255Literally any "chad" would fuck a decent looking 40 years old. Sorry, nicely, but you might want to change this to post to "50"
180 replies and nobody posts the wizard version?4chin is really cooked no cap fr fr
>>543089819You wish foid. You can't live without us.
>>543109538The divorce rate has declined since then (it has been steadily declining since 1981), but the primary reason for that is that people are less likely to jump into bad marriages in the first place. More importantly, there were actually still some relatively normal people in 1995 who had zero or very small numbers of sex partners before marriage. NO ONE in 2026 is actually waiting until marriage to have sex other that weirdos in extreme religious communities. And any trends seen in those people compared to the rest of the population will be due to their extreme religious beliefs rather than their lack of pre-marital sex partners.
>>543094581>women in their 40s have higher smv than 90% of menNope. Your expiration date happens when you reach 25, cunt. Meanwhile guys at 25 are just starting their life. Time is a man's best friend & a woman's worst enemy.
>>543110248>NO ONE in 2026 is actually waiting until marriage to have sexThe 33% of men who haven't had sex before marriage would like a word with you.
>>543088255Their "good decision" is to chose from dozens of men what's the best considering all of them already accepted them.It's as hard as a man to chose from dozens of FREE sportscars which one he would like to pick, and give him nonetheless 12 YEARS to make that decision.
>>543109918>where they breed with attractive men and then get a nerd to raise it.So what is it? Are women breeding with attractive men, or are they aborting the kids when they get knocked up by them.
>>543108719Simply demand proof instead of taking their word for it.
>>543108702>The bulk of the things that can both be classed as "good looks" and are sexually compelling to women are things men don't have any control over.You'd be surprised how simply clothing change and grooming fixes a man quickly.
>>543089938this is great acting from both of them desu>>543110051https://www.imdb.com/title/tt30253473/
>>543109813Okay, but you still cant discount looks or money. At least the guy in a good outfit is going to get noticed. No woman is going after a fat balding guy who is in line at Gamestop for the new Pokemon cards.
>>543110092You:>REEEE I don't hit on girls because I don't just want sex, I want to get married and have kids! Things were different and better in the past!Also you:>REEEE I don't want to get married because then I would be locked down and expected to act like a husband and father! Things were different and better in the past!
>>543110395I think you're severely underestimating the degree to which men are fed up with temporary relationships. Women don't actually have unfettered access to attractive men. You said sexually aggressive men get more women which is true. Attractive men stay attractive by not inviting stress into their lives by temporary relationships and reckless breeding.
>>543110341>The 33% of men who haven't had sex before marriageWhere the fuck did you get the idea that 33% of men don't have sex before marriage? Because that is not even galactically close to being true. Even including the fringe religious weirdos and weird jeets in arranged marriage, the number of men who don't have sex before marriage has to be in sub single digit percentages.
>>543110796You must be a feminist because you think of men as mindless fuck machines and women as the ultimate masterminds of all things sex, relationships, and reproduction.Turns out some attractive guys have standards and they're not cumming in loads of women, much to the women's dismay.
tranny jannies strike again! this off topic thread has been up since noon
>>543110513>No woman is going after a fat balding guy who is in line at Gamestop for the new Pokemon cards.Yes, because it isn't the woman's role to go after men. A good looking man in a good outfit might get noticed, and some women might even come up with some pretext to start talking to him. But even then, she will always expect him to make the first real move. If he never actually does that, she will eventually assume he is not interested in her or is gay and will give up and treat it like a soft rejection.
>>543110900women are on topic. debate me
>>543110623What are you even trying to argue? Because it just sounds like you are trying to say that high value attractive guys aren't fucking girls or getting into short term relationships with them, which isn't true at all.
>>543111136If every guy a woman had sex with was a high value attractive guy there would be no abortions. What happened to your "sexually aggressive" guy argument?
>>543110881>You must be a feminist because No, you are just trying to drop an obviously false and baseless ad hominem because you don't like what I am saying but can't actually come up with a coherent and logic response to it.>Turns out some attractive guys have standardsYou aren't actually an attractive or high value guy, no matter how much you try to imply it in your posts. You like to think of yourself as being an attractive high value guy, but you also know that you are a sexless incel. And you are trying to resolve the cognitive dissonance that those two competing facts cause by insisting that well ackshully the high value guys are sexless because they are choosing to be sexless because they have standards.That is literally the exact same mindset and thinking that the fat, post wall roasties use when they claim to have ridiculous standards that mean only the top 0.00001% of men would meet. That way, they can tell themselves that the reason they are perpetually single is because men aren't good enough for them, not the actual explanation that they are unattractive an no normal man wants them.
>>543088255This is such pathetic cope. You think yourself magnanimous for empathising with the enemy. How "you won't kick them when they're down". But the reality is you won't kick them because YOU are down.
>>543111391yeah dude you're just looking for attention and I gave it to you because I'm drunk but your entire argument revolves around "men have no power and are mindless fuck beasts"
>>543088255There are a handful of 50yo women I would absolutely smash without hesitation
>>543111391> No, you are just trying to drop an obviously false and baseless ad hominem because you don't like what I am saying but can't actually come up with a coherent and logic response to it.You responded with this duplicity >>543110578to my logical statements. You are mentally and spiritually a woman, accusing others of that you are guilty of.> You aren't actually an attractive guy> well ackshullyYou are literally the woman arguments screencap
>>543111193>If every guy a woman had sex with was a high value attractive guy there would be no abortions.There would still be a lot of abortions. Most abortions happen because the woman isn't trying to get pregnant but accidentally gets knocked up and then panics because she doesn't want to have a kid or thinks she isn't ready for it or can't handle it or whatever. If she knows or expects that the guy would be a complete deadbeat, that could factor into it. But no woman is ever thinking "I would totally keep this baby if it was a high value attractive guy's, but Brad who knocked me up has bad genes so I'm gonna abort it."It doesn't work that way. If a woman thought a man had bad genes or whatever, she wouldn't have had sex with him in the first place. Not because women are responsible or thinking about consequences, but because they would see that kind of guy as unfuckable.
>>543111807>people with bad genes don't have sexlol ok dude. go take a look at some of the women next time you go outside and tell me if they all have good genes. feminist retard. men have power with sex too it's called not succumbing to temptation.
>>543088981Show pics of grandma
>>543111445No, if anything I'm saying men actually have all the power in the post-sexual revolution world we live in, incels are just too timid and avoidant to do the things that men need to do to get girls. Most men in general, especially younger men, are horny and frequently do very retarded things because of their thirst and horniness. Women also do retarded things. Most people in general are retards. Nothing I have said in this thread is remotely feminist or pro-woman.
>>543111979Again, "getting girls" is not difficult. Anyone with $15 worth of drugs can go to a bar and get a girl for sex. No matter how ugly, dysgenic, unfuckable, or however you want to phrase it.There's a whole other world out there called love.
>>543111707>to my logical statements.Your statements are not logical at all. The things you are saying are not logically consistent, and don't actually make much sense because you are clearly starting from the presupposition that you are high value / attractive / high quality / good male, and you are a sexless incel, therefore high value men must also be sexless incels for reasons.
>>543112132All trends show men are having less sex compared with women. You attribute 100% of this to inceldom I say some of it is due to men being fed up with short term relationships.
>>543088255Let's keep talking about women!!!!
>>543111886I never said or implied that people with bad genes don't have sex, I'm just trying to respond to your completely inconsistent and incoherent "arguments."You're a fucking shitskin pajeet aren't you? I should have known when I saw that leaf flag.
>>543112038>There's a whole other world out there called love.You sound like such a colossal faggot, no wonder no woman wants you.
>>543110955You're coping really hard by trying to say looks and money dont make a big difference. If he's expected to make the first move, then he should have the presentation to do so. Better a guy with class than some balding fat guy with stains on his shirt.
>>543106090>23 postsI ain’t reading all that shit nigga. You sound retarded from the first two sentences.
>>543111134you're a gigantic tranny
>>543088981Only a woman would say this. TITS OR GTFO.
So you are telling me, that my job at speeddating is to aggressively hit on the women there. But how? Btw I'm jobless, even tho having a Master degree.
>>543107680>Unlike moids, us women do not have a biological drive to have sex.This is not true at all. Just because you have a low/no sex drive doesn't mean that women do in general. I've had women straight up ask me to fuck before. Every woman I've ever been with approached me first because I'm a retarded sperg. Before you say that they just wanted my money, I'm a broke loser so it definitely wasn't because of wealth. That would have never happened if they had no biological need.
>women continue to get options until the day they die>women collectively screeching on the internet theres no good menjfc make up (you)r mind alreadyheres what happened: you were fat ugly autistic and just a loser in high school thats why no one sucked your dick no one invited you to parties no even bothered to remember youwomen only pay attention to the biggest retards making the most noise thats it thats the secret get your shit out there and get some style faggot
>>543106064the other day my missus said while we were drriving, "If the baby miscarries or something are we still moving into that place?" >wot.jpg>are you planning to miscarry?>no but like, do we still move out there if the baby doesn't make it or something>can I just drive to costco please
>>543114230Both statements are true. They do have countless options, just not the ones they want.
>>543114230>women have no idea what femininity is and think it's sex, which is what jews told them>collectively ruin their reputation with the entire population of men being thoughtless goyslaves>men just want to hang out and be nice, the one thing they had to do before to attract a mate>women think this is a trick, and project their childhood trauma on men trying to "manipulate them" by existing>will actively seek out abusive relationships instead >mfw
>>543110419Anon. I never heard of rape, bully BF and other stuff before mid 30. I know there are a bunch of fucked up anons around world wide. But every women has this Espérance. Slags, fat and low class women wont tell you. high class women are all raped, and had a narcissist or worse.
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>>543094700lol women always want what they can't havespurn a hot girl who jokingly hits on you and she will follow you around the barthey're like children but dumber
>>543101940the irony is their paradise is hell on earthfor both them and othersjust let them fail and capitulate.they'll be too old to be taken seriously by then anyway
>>543088255>Meanwhile men just keep getting better and betterLMAO I'm 35 and stayed inside not talking to anyone except the grocery store checkout person and coworkers strictly for work and I've never had a gf.
>>543088981This. Most guys seem to think when they hit their “fertility wall” that their life is over lmao. I see 45 year old women getting flown out by rich guys and fucked on at resorts. Just because she can’t produce a kid doesn’t mean society throws her in a dumpster. Idk what reality most people are living in but please go outside.
>>543104572>why are still single?Probably because women are fat as fuck nowadays
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