Counterpoint: the world did end. The righteous were raptured. We remained.

>>543095387
fpbp
Millennial Kingdom. Little Season.

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>>543095291
Also, Matthew 16:28 (Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom) was fulfilled when John the Apostle saw the vision of the end of the world on the island of Patmos.

>>543095291
>how do Christcucks cope
their whole religion is just a jewish cope
in the old testament they predicted they will be liberated and Israel will become a kingdom again (Jeremiah 25:11–12)
predicted a 70year babylonian exile
Daniel 9 then super-hyper coped after it didn't happen by stating that maybe god actually ment "70 years x 7" because of a different story where god multiplied punichment by 7
and 490 years later it still didn't happen
Judaism is just a bunch of jews hoping and coping about beign buckbroken by other empires
Christianity is a gigacope by jews "actually the prophecy was about a guy" even tho the prophecy is clearly about israel
Islam is retardcope fanfiction by a bunch of illiterate retards
Mormonism? KEK

the context of this passage is Jesus and the apostles exiting the temple in Jerusalem and him telling them that the temple will be destroyed, that there will be war, persecution, famine, people needing to flee, desecration of holy places etc in their generation, which did come true because that happened about 40 years later exactly as predicted
he did add passages about his return but I think that was just to not make them shit their pants that everything will be for nothing and he did say that nobody knows when that will be, but for those believing in him to always stay prepared for his return
the greek word used in the original text for the word that was translated as "this generation" can also refer to a group of people characterized by common ancestry or particular qualities, so like sharing the christian faith or being the children of God
iow, it might simply have been lost in translation that what he was actually saying that the group of people that believes in Jesus Christ will not cease to exist until he returns

>>543095291
Now do the jewish one Shlomo

>>543095291
how about not taking a verse out of its context?

What did he describe just before that?

>32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
>33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
>34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

In Matthew 21, He went to a fig tree outside of Jerusalem, he found there was no fruit on the fig tree, so He made it wither.
In the Olivet Discourse, this sermon on the End times where He describes His return, he points out that that fig tree, was a parable. It was a symbol for something else to convey a truth.
The Fig tree is a "type" for Unrepentant Israel (Hosea 9:10, Jeremiah 24:1-8), and Jesus also presented another Parable of the Barren Fig tree in Luke 13
>6 He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none.
>7 Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground?
>8 And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it:
>9 And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.

Jesus found Israel fruitless, in Matthew 23, He left the temple desolate, and they would not see Him again until they said "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord".
40 years after the crucifixion (a time of trial), the temple was destroyed in 70AD. That was the withering.
The fig tree had to come back to life after that to start the last generation.
That's us. Israel came back after being scattered. 1967 was when Jerusalem was back in the hands of the Jews. That's it. It'll be in our time, as Amos 8:1-2 says, it's the end for His people Israel.

>>543095291
Im not even christian but if that english translation is accurate it could easily be interperated as "I will die first and enter heaven before any of you are killed for following me"

>>543096285
Holy cope

This is your bar mitzvah, mister! It’s a time to sing! Mazel tov! You’re finally on the way!

Thirteen, and it’s a milestone! You are a man today, hey! You read the Torah on your own! Hey, hip hip hooray!

This is your bar mitzvah, mister! It’s a time to dance! It’s so nice, you did it on your own!

Now is the time to celebrate! You passed the test, you’ve made the grade! Whole lotta man, whole lotta man, whole lotta man! Hoo!

>>543095291
Bruh the Romans sacked the temple in 70 AD.

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>>543095291
The phrqse "this generation" is only properly understood when you can comprehend Jesus Christ as second adam, you get born again by His Blood and being part of the bride of Christ, you are therefore bound to the God of the Living in the New Covenant

It doesnt make sense to you because you think that generation died
They are very nuch alive in Jesus Christ, and that Scripture is 100% literally and spiritually valid as the Word of God; Stating exactly what it says it means

The Simplicity of Christ is simply too much for your broken mind to humble yourself to conprehend the Truth

Repent, sinnerman

>>543095550
And consequently; john is bith writing our experiences as we transition into the tribulation period at a future date- as much as hes observing us living through those moments as we prepare by- reading the Word of God he helped write

So in effect: our notion of time is a useless metric when conpared to the eternal- and furthermore we dont even use thw proper calandar for God's Appointed Times, which is how mainstream rabbinic talmudic judaism blasphemes the Feasts of God

Example: with the zaddok calandar, Rosh Hashanah is actually beginning tomorrow on the 23rd, this is the proper biblical calandar


People need to stop being cucked by gatekeepers and traditions of men, and false doctrines such as >>543095387


Jesus Christ's main exortation in matthew 24 was BE NOT DECIEVED, and part of the problem is all the counterfeit christs/christianities we have helped perpetuate

>>543095550
But I think it was another John for Revelation. Actually I looked it up and there is disagreement about whether or not it was the same John

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>>543095291
I watched an explanation for this by Christians on YouTube. They claimed Jesus was not referring to the generation he was preaching to in Roman Judea, but rather Jesus was referring to the last generation in the End Times, which I believe is our current generation. A proper generation in Hebrew eschatology is 70 or 90 years I think. Since I believe this is the last generation before Christ's return, expect to see Jesus Christ return within the next 70 years or sooner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Zf7KRCXy7I

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>>543095291
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>>543097039
Also a good post, there has always existed a faithful remant of both the jews and scattered exiles of the lost tribes
God is in the business of Reconciliation and Restoration of the whole house of jacob and the tribes of israel
Case in point is the preservation of 12x12,000 literal bloodlines of all the tribes and those 144,000 virgin males are sealed for the tribulation- nobody will harm them and ny extension those dwelling among their camps

If anyone cares to investigate how that occurs: start with moses and the children of israel; then multiply that worldwide upon each corner wherein we were scattered

Among other things, like ezekiel 20:33+ for reasons why you are being refined like silver in the furnace of affliction during rhe great tribulation

>>543098000
Yes they did; according to the Word and Testimony of Jesus Christ, Who Is God
He yet referred to daniel and the abomination of desolation as a future end time event

Many people like to spiritualize whats literal and make metaphor into literalism
People who cant rightly divide the Truth of Scripture have no business in teaching and ultimately misleading others with their tomfoolery of amateur hour theology- as much as the traditions of men blinds all those taken by them

John the baptist was the official high priest of israel after the order of zaddok, a direct cousin to Jesus Christ after elizabeth and the levites
He held to the essene community of the qumran, Jesus as "nazar"ene means "branch" of the essenes
These were the exiled priests from the days of the maccabees and idumean corruptions of priestly appointments
They were "The Way", and paul going to damascus was actually this region's nickname, just lile arabah is its literal location, not just a random "desert/wilderness" in the case of a voice crying out of it/prepare the way for the Lord


Many many things are poorly understood by rhe majority of people claiming to be christian and jew, knock and it shall be opened to you etc.

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you're likely not getting a theologically correct and consistent explanation on /pol/
there are barely any christians here

>>543095291
Jesus was correct. There are sons of men all over the place.

>>543097611
Christcuks are basically reduced to "words don't mean words" cope when their book contradicts reality

>>543098574
>be me
>become born again by the Blood of Jesus Christ
>i am now Grafted into the Vine, which Is Jesus Christ
>i am now part of The Way
>i am now part of the bride of Christ
>i am a part of that Body of Christ, with Jesus as the head and we all as His parts have our elect duty and specialization and role as ambassadors of His kingdom
>i ate the Bread of Life and drank of His Blood and the Waters of His Salvation and Grace- consequently i never thirst after righteousness i only seek it , because i now know it through the Most Perfect Example, Jesus Christ Himself
>i inherit the Promise of Abraham, i am recipient of all the Blessings of the Covenants
>one day i will bw glorified with a new body as much as the Spirit of God dwells inside my current one with my soul
>anywhere i go in the world where a born again believer is dwelling: i can be introduced and among us there is Christ
>by the mouth of two or three witnesses, the Truth is Established according to the law

Jesus Christ is the 70th generation from adam
Jesus Christ Is the 2nd adam, and our Guaranteed Ressurection, He Self-identifies as the God of the Living, and proclaimed the season of the gospel through His Ressurection which all bore witness of and testified after the fact; HIS SCARS

By those stripes we Are Healed
And come the Day of YHVH, those same scars will be that which every man looking upon "Him Whom they have pierced" observes in the sky come the end of all things


Lean not to thine own understanding guys
Fear God, and keep the Commandments- this is the sole duty of man

>>543099396
or just use basic context and have biblical knowledge enough to know what Jesus was referring to.

>>543099047
I literally just gave one and i post with identical image hashes for this very reason
Please read before you post, and at the very least repent and be born again, because your slander is just that and obfuscating the Truth

If you stand with Jesus Christ; dont sow seeds of doubt by dividing and conquering His gospel with baseless conjecture

Im a sinner who was born again by The Blood of Jesus Christ, and if anything is to be gathered by what all the Holy Spirit convicts me to say- or that i betimes fail to relate in my flaws; let it be that you must needs be born again by the Blood and recieve the Holy Spirit to comprehend these things fully

The time is at hand

Thats why i always post the euphrates river drying, to remind us here, we all are bound to the Word of God, and the Judgement will begin at the house of God first when the altar yet to be rebuilt is finally shut down
That shutting down of the altar will be day 1 of the 3 and 1/2 year total tribulation

There is no get out of jail free card for evangelical protestants and their notion of a pretribulation rapture
More likely; christians as a whole are going to be harshly Judged for their current belief system of falsely labelling God's Levitical Ordinances as those of the antichrist- again, this is false; the whole reason for a daily evening and morning sacrifice is so that the nations of the world are held to account (thanks livestreaming!) And when they reject God's footstool, the altar, they have conspired with one accord to reject the Sovereignty of Almighty God

Read psalm 24, itnis recited upon every daily evening and morning sacrifice by the sons of aaron and levites

Jesus was a conman. He was probably a pajeeet scammer.

>>543099750
doesnt matter
op isnt even here to fact-check/dispute your bullshit
he's a retarded faggot shill

>>543099602
no amount of cope will make the "prophecy" about a person and not about "jacob" aka israel
jews were hoping to restore their kingdom
christcucks are coping by pretending it was about a person
both of you are wrong

>>543099602
Don't bother with these gays.
Their fedoras cover their eyes.

>>543100053
they're the people who need to be bothered with the most.

>>543095291
If the purpose of the the council of nicea was to consolidate Christianity into a unified belief system (leaving political motives out of this) then why would they have agreed to let this stay while removing others like the book of Thomas? It's unlikely a group like that hadn't read this passage before.

>>543098162
Here some the subhuman cope of literally redefining words to fit into your subhuman belief systems. Didn’t read.

>>543100368
Comes*

>>543095291
False dichotomy. The logical answer is that there are living people from the first century. Counting hermits and accursed people, this is likely.

>>543095291
Common misconception. He said this generation shall not pass until they saw him come into his kingdom.

A lot of people think this means the end of the world, but that obviously doesn't make sense because that's Jesus returning from his Kingdom.

Instead he meant they would see him ascend into Heaven after the resurrection, which he did in the book of Acts. After resurrecting he lived among them and preached for about a month so everyone would know he really can't back and then he ascended into the sky before a large crowd and they saw the clouds part and two angels meet him in the sky. That was him coming into his kingdom.

>>543100368
...or maybe it meant that one of the apostles went straight to heaven without dying like elijah

>>543095291
My soul has been conscious for a ridiculous amount of time on earth, I was conscious in the days of Jesus, and remember him. I have not yet passed away.

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>>543095291
Jews have been world champions of coping since the old testament. The only thing more pitiful than them is people who wish to be them

>>543097138
Nailed it, Anon. One must wonder why those who stand against Christ must always use lies and deceit to attempt to get their way. As though the truth just isn't on their side.

>>543095291
>before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom
Or you are stupid and he was talking about him going to heaven when he was crucified and nit the end of the world

>>543100368
>refuses to elaborate
Nice cointel pro shilling, you do it for free, know absolutely nothing evidently, and it's its own reward for being ignorant and unbelieving

Reminder; the fearful and unbelieving lead the march to hell in revelation; tread carefully as you might regret remaining intentionally ignorant of the Truth

Nobody is redefining what it means for a river to dry up completely dude
Thats an objectively black and white observation of reality
Is the river dry yet? Yes or no?
So any time you encounter a false teaching such as
>but muh revelation already happened in the 1st century ad
I would remind them at no point in history recent or otherwise has the euphrates river been irreversibly low and trending toward completely drying within our lifetime

The first coming of Jesus Christ also- nobody had a clue what He was there doing except those who recieved His Gospel and were Healed, everyone thought there would be a conquering king to remove the romans
The Lamb of God took the sin away then
The Lion of Judah is going to be Judging us soon
Underatand that and maybe things fall into place easier
But if you simply refuse to believe and harden your heart like pharaoh, then like pharaoh you and egypt will be Sorely Judged, and like pharaoh - God Forbid- will you remain indignant and double down your sin?
God Seeks your heart anon, dont turn away from Him and the Truth

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>>543098614
You're not even a real christcuck, you'd get your ass kicked in a real church lmao

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>>543101004
RANGE BAN INDIA

>>543100832
not to mention they literally witnessed the transfiguration including with the 2 witnesses beside Him shortly after.

Revelation 11:
>3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
>4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
2 olive trees

Zechariah 4:
>12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?
>13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
>14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.
the olive trees are 2 anointed ones who stand with the Lord of the whole Earth (Jesus)

Matthew 17:
>1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
>2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
>3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
6 days after Jesus made the claim about not tasting death before seeing Him coming in His kingdom.. they witnessed the transfiguration, along with 2 anointed ones standing by the Lord of the whole Earth.

>>543100547
All the disciples and apostles of old lived and died respectively, but john was Given the Vision and unsealed the formerly sealed book from daniel for to the end of days with what all else he described and recorded

But He saw everything else from the conclusion of the Day of YHVH and onwards, people just cant commit to an idea of 70 generationa from adam, Second Adam is God of the Living, and we as christians never died off- our generation is the 70th and is eternal through Christ Jesus


Its literally that simple and theres so much disinfo for that sinplicity, which is astounding how badly satan wants to decieve people even the elect of God

>>543098431
The excuses made for this argument are weak. It is a different kind of book and much more similar to Daniel than the Gospel narrative where he just lays out what happened. That explains the different language and style. Any supposed theological differences are people just looking for them now because it is perfectly reconcilable

>>543095291
>this generation
>the world
Are you retarded on purpose?
You'd better not be

>>543101004
Your free to reverse image seaech the image hash ofnthe euphrates river and get my poor but faithful track record of being a witness for the gospel
Again, i emphasize im a flawed and imperfect man who swears and cursed and gets angry and has poor self control, but despite all that im willing to come here and give people proper instruction as much as has been laboured by my own hands in desiring to be properly taught of God and unlearn all the lies

You come to this place to simple dab on people seeking the Truth
Thats its own reward son, nothing more nothing less
Hope it works out for you because i know it wont for me especially, have fun

>>543095291
>Matthew 24
question number one:
>“Tell us, when will these things be
in regard to the destruction of the Temple.

question number two:
>, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”
the sign of the end times he lists.

destruction of the temple happened in their lifetime, the end of times did not yet.

>>543095291
Something else to consider is only Matthew wrote this line. The 4 gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, are 3 eyewitness accounts and Luke's compilation was more like a news report of what was common among them and verifiable outside of them. If you have several people witness an event, then ask them to recall exactly what happened, they'll all either add or omit things because the human memory isn't perfect and we have a tendency to embellish a story for various reasons. These books were written several years after the events of Jesus. It's equally possible that Matthew added a bit of wishful thinking to his recollection of the story while the others didn't. It doesn't invalidate anything as you can compare the gospels yourself and take what's common as what's factual and whatever isn't as human error just as you would with any other eyewitness account of something that happened.

>>543095387
>>543095462
this is bullshit and rejected as false teaching by Paul.

>>543095291
>as He admits just one sentence later:
he just admits that he doesn't know the specific date
it doesn't contradict that he claimed to knew it would happen within one generation

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>>543095291
Either you are purposely misinterpreting this or are retarded
>>543101434
This

>>543095291
Believe it or not, but there is not a single verse in the entire Bible that specifically calls the Jews or the Tribe of Judah, God’s chosen people. This misconception comes from the fact that the Jews of today have declared themselves to be Israel and not the House of Judah, as the Scriptures rightfully call them.

https://web.archive.org/web/20220526080336/https://gottmituns.com/what-is-a-jew/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ESNI-FvFyQ

>>543101584
>there is not a single verse in the entire Bible that specifically calls the Jews or the Tribe of Judah, God’s chosen people. This misconception comes from the fact that the Jews of today have declared themselves to be Israel and not the House of Judah
You're contradicting yourself

>>543101070
I want to emphasize several things in addition to your great post and quote of the Word of God

For starters, john the baptist was Confirmed by Christ both as elijah of that day, and Jesus used this example to further elucidate another future coming of elijah just as He has a second coming to Judge the nations- with that there is a forerunner

Next, lets look at this elijah ministry mission statement from malachai:
4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.

5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:

6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse

Verse 4 states emphatically to "remember the law of moses"
And that elijah, by doing so; turns the heart of fathers to son and vice versa
We have in our day and age a great revival through the messianic movement of christians to engage in establishing a recommitment to God by observance if the Feasts and keeping of the Commandments

This does not overrule the victory over sin at the cross nor does it disown what Jesus did and Said
Rather He Said, "if you Love me, keep the Commandments" and furthermore; Jesus Christ gave a higher standard of interpetwtion when it came to the Law
Adultery is just that and thou shalt not do it
But Jesus emphasized that sin in the heart through the lust of the eyes: thus a higher standard than simply not doing the sin
In similar manner, the passover has been reduced from a feast by and for the Lamb of God and His Blood- to that of a 15 minute ceremony and wafer juice happymeal combi drive-through
Or worse yet the continual crucifixion by the abomination magicks of the eucharist
The bible calandar starts with passover; its how we identify in Jesus Christ: you come to Him and by the Blood of the Lamb you are Redeemed out of egypt

>>543101070
Matthew 17 is a vision just as Jesus said.
the two witnesses of the Revelation are the scripture, not two people in heaven.
how could Moses even be in heaven when Jesus did not die for his transgressions yet?

The apostle John still lives.

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>>543095291
The Kingdom DID come.
Then, the Jews rejected it at the stoning of Stephen.

Quit trying to weasel word and prepare for your day in court when you will answer for your sins.

>>543102049
Did God made him immortal ?

>>543101459
Matthew wrote his gospel on account of jewish believers being introduced to Messiah and Luke was basically the opposite and as you said, a news report of sorts for a gentile audience
In both you get established geneaologies for the Son of God, proving a connection to david as well as the levites since elizabeth was cousin to mary

If anything it adds to the emphasis of these men telling the truth from four points of views and with emphasis and common ground to make them unique
But idk what wishful thinking means lol

>>543101584
God Chose david after His Own heart
David is of Judah
Through david you get Messiah

This aint difficult to understand

>>543101938
Abrahams bosom was also described with the parable of the rich man and lazarus

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>>543101434
>the end of times did not yet.
Getting there, though.

>>543098574
contradicted by
>“Immediately after the suffering of those day

>>543102089
>prepare for your day in court when you will answer for your sins.
Oogabooga doesn't reallh.work anymore

>>543101088
>YHVH
Oh ok you're ONE of the shills here. lol carry on shitting up the thread and muddling waters

>>543101773
Are you an evangelical? That commandment from Malachi was completed on the cross. We no longer have to follow those laws. Just as Jesus said, they followed the law until his mission was completed. Paul explicitly talks about this in Romans 14. We don’t have to do that anymore. Jesus in the last supper accounts explicitly say this IS his body and blood given for forgiveness and demands we continue the practice. Paul in 1 Corinthians 13 confirms this and doesn’t treat it as an ordinary meal but actually consuming his body and blood. Therefore they should be look within themselves and do it properly lest they eat it to their damnation. This has been the belief of Christians since the early church. St Ignatius calls it the medicine of immortality

>>543102105
>Abrahams bosom
Abrahams bosom was about Jesus telling them that the eternal soul concept they picked up from the pagans in Alexandria is bullshit.
they thought if they are big in this life they are big in the afterlife which is what the egyptians believed.
Jesus tells them if it were so it would be the other way around, Lazarus would be comforted instead.
what Jesus was actual teaching was soul sleep, the resurrection and the death of the soul.

>>543095387
When were they "raptured"? Are there any historical stories of large scale disappearances? I do not think so. This abrahamic desert delusion religion is all BS.

>>543102129
yep, just waiting for the mark of the beast being enforced at this point.

>>543101938
>how could Moses even be in heaven when Jesus did not die for his transgressions yet?
Enoch and Elijah did that

>>543102424
100% neuralink

>>543100442
contradicted by Genesis 6:3: "Then the LORD said, 'My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years

>>543102419
The "rapture" is evangelical bullshit,people won't be taken to heaven before the Tribulation

>>543102424
>the mark of the beast
Which you lot changed so much over the decades
>SSN
>IDs
>Credit/Debit cards
>Chip cards
>Vaccines
The list goes on

>>543100526
>the end of the world
apostles ask specifically about it
contradicted by
>“Tell us, when will this be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?

The first apostles literally thought they were going through the end times already.

>>543102438
no they did not.
they were taken but not into heaven.
otherwise Jesus is a liar, which he cant be since he is God and cant lie.
thus neither Elijah nor Enoch were taken up into heaven.

>>543102465
no, digital currency and AI surveillance where you must show allegiance to the roman system or you cant buy or sell.

>>543102577
the mark is not something physical, its spiritual (on the head) or in your actions (on the hand).

>>543102579
Those are wto different questions, clearly. Just asked at the same time

>>543101938
they're 2 anointed ones that stand by the Lord.
all the other aspects of Revelation 11 point at Moses and Elijah too.

>6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
Elijah caused a drought for 3 years when he was on Earth
1 Kings 17:
>1 And Elijah the Tishbite, who was of the inhabitants of Gilead, said unto Ahab, As the Lord God of Israel liveth, before whom I stand, there shall not be dew nor rain these years, but according to my word.
Moses caused the water to turn to blood and caused plagues on Egypt.(Exodus 7)

>>543095291
>OP makes thread without knowing Jesus resurrected and people who were there saw him in a heavenly state - before they died.
A thread died for your post, and yet it didn't save you.

Do organic poster see what i mean by >>543099047 ?
Make a thread asking question about christianity and you will be SWARMED with disinformation, schizo delusions and basically every possible theory and MAYBE a correct answer will be posted somewhere lol buried under all that contradicting misinfo shit
Stuff like this make me realize how much shills and glowies hate christianity and WANT you to have doubts so you LOSE your faith

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it seems like OP doesn't actually understand what "generation" means. What an idiot.

>>543102609
>they were taken but not into heaven
Where did God take them then?

Enoch: Described in Genesis 5:24 as walking faithfully with God, he was taken by God so that he "was not, because God took him." The New Testament book of Hebrews 11:5 attributes this to his faith, noting he pleased God and did not see death.

Elijah: Recorded in 2 Kings 2:11, the prophet was taken up to heaven in a whirlwind while traveling with his successor Elisha. He was separated from Elisha by a chariot of fire and horses of fire.

>>543102660
According to your subjective interpretation

>>543102609
I can hardly see digital currency work without a chip implanted in the body of people

>>543095291
Jesus did not fail he has been smacking around jews for 2000 years and they are getting uppity again guess what happens next

>>543102684
Clearly it's asked with pre-conception that they will both happen at the same time. Jesus in his answer doesn't dispel that pre-conception.

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>>543102577
it's the Image of the Beast (an artificially created person made alive by the false prophet) that institutes it. No Image of the Beast, no mark of the beast.

>>543102660
amillennial allegorical garbage. It is in fact something physical because other PEOPLE need to be able to see it to allow you to do transactions. The Greek word is charagma which means an engraving. Human beings at the checkouts can't infer your spiritual state, hippie.

>>543102933
>it's the Image of the Beast (an artificially created person made alive by the false prophet) that institutes it. No Image of the Beast, no mark of the beast.
>>543102660
>the mark is not something physical, its spiritual (on the head) or in your actions (on the hand)

Keep em coming. These a great lol

>>543101469
I know it's obvious crap, I'm just shitting on OP.

>>543102419
Why the fuck would you assume the rapture would be large scale? The saved are very few. They went and nobody noticed.

>>543102846
I’m sure they believed it would be at the same time. But Jesus answers the questions in order. Say if you were to ask me two questions at once, we would both understand the question and the context of the answers given through context

>>543102933
I wonder if the Image is AI

>>543097138

what? how do you interprey angels will come with trumpets and harvest people from 4 ends of earth to
>"I will die first and enter heaven before any of you are killed for following me"

and this assclown here applauds you >>543100644

>>543102690
Revelation is highly symbolical, why do you think it speaks about droughts.

>and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth
we know it speaks of 1260 years because of day to year principle.
the scripture was preached for 1260 years in sackcloth because it was the persecuted Churches that were called heretics by the papal authority.
>fire pours from their mouth and consumes their foes
if you think it talks about two persons spitting fire I have bad news for you, the fire is the Word that consumes its enemies, the papacy.
>6 They have the power to shut the sky, that no rain may fall during the days of their prophesying, and they have power over the waters to turn them into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague, as often as they desire.
talks about watering for the harvest, meaning the preaching of the Word and attacking false authorities being plagued with the Truth being preached.
>the beast that rises from the bottomless pit[a] will make war on them and conquer them and kill them, 8 and their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city that symbolically[b] is called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified. 9 For three and a half days some from the peoples and tribes and languages and nations will gaze at their dead bodies and refuse to let them be placed in a tomb, 10 and those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them and make merry and exchange presents, because these two prophets had been a torment to those who dwell on the earth.
the beast, the papacy rises against the Word and the Truth and kills them. there was a 3 year period (the 3 and a half days) where the papacy celebrated having all "heretics" against them eliminated.
>But after the three and a half days a breath of life from God entered them, and they stood up on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them.
after the 3 years the Reformation started and the Word (the witnesses) was opened again against the papacy.

>>543102312
YHVH would be Jesus Christ, are you mental or something? I dont understand
>>543102363
>evangelical
If it helps to call me that idk whatbit means to you though
>that Commandment was completed on the cross
We have since strayed so far from the actual Commandments that even the jews had to relegate that to the talmud and christians only subscribe to the moral conveniences if things like murder, adultery, lying, blasphemy, vanity, sexual immorality, and personal conduct ala love thy neighbour- but they otherwise pick and choose or change and ignore entirely other segments of the law
The majority of christianity is like this; and while youll get a group lile adventists trying to revive what the proper sabbath is; they still maintain the traditions of men formerly, which are by and large offshoots of roman catholic dogma and doctrine

The whore of babylone has many prostitute daughters
Catholic births protestant, orthodoxy schisms, cults arise after her favour like masons jws and mormons etc. And on and on it goes with everyone acting like its all about me day
Everyones right when everyones wrong

>we no longer have to follow those laws
This is again a misconstrued argument
JESUS Himself Stated, "if you love Me, keep the Commandments"
In the book of acts when they are detemining how to cet new believers they basically made a tldr of levitical statues in the form of (paraphrased); One God and no idols, no sexual immorality, and refrain from eating blood and things sacrificed to idols

In a similar sense, you can do a comparable summary with the 10 Commandments: some pertain to love the LORD your God with all your heart, mind, and might- the greatest Commandment, and the other due to loving your neighbour as yourself
But even Jesus in that passage mentions the least of the Commandments
That least one is having to do with the compassion and welfare we have to animals: a bird mother and its young and if you find the nest you can take one or the other but not both

>>543103016
yes but the issue is his vocabulary affirms that false pre-conception
What Jesus say can only be understood as it will happen within 100 years. If he only iterated events in order and nothing more we wouldn't have this thread cause his words could be understood as between now and forever

>>543095291
>First option: Jesus was correct and everything he said would happen happened,
Correct.
>and the world really did end in 70 AD
No. Jesus did not say that it was going to be the end of the world. The things that he said were going to happen, such as the destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem, wars and tribulation and suffering, and the Son of Man DID all happen within the lifetime of that generation, some of it was happening right as Jesus was saying it, the people just did not fully recognize it at the time.
>and I guess we're like in Hell now.
No, (You) are effectively already in Hell because you have freely chosen to reject God and his love for you.

>>543095291
>Christcucks
I was going to give you the real answer until I read that.
What makes you think that you can go around being so rude, and still receive the answers that you want to know?
When has being rude ever gotten others to respect you and have a real conversation with you?
Probably, never.
Did you actually wish to have a true exchange of ideas, or did you just want to post a thread where you could say rude things about people and parts of life, that you have zero understanding of?
Like, what was the point of even making a thread? Just to shit up the board most likely.

On the Image of the Beast, and why it's not just a moving statue or hologram, but something actually alive:

first, what is an image? It can be an idol.. sure, but it can also be a person. Mankind are created in the image of God, and Jesus Himself is THE Image of God:

Colossians 1:
>12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
>13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
>14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
>15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

inb4 JW's and Arians try to spin that last verse...
Jesus is God in the Flesh.

I'll continue into Revelation 13 next.

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these spammed anti christian threads glow so bright you cannot miss them in the dark of night
where is the 50+ anti judaism threads a day?
where is the 50+ anti muslim threads a day?
where is the 50+anti buddhism threads a day?
they do not exist
only 50+ anti(majority religion amongs whites in europe and america threads) a day.
I do not need to wonder why.
I just need to run em over.

>>543100832
>>543101070
>>543101773
>>543103074
>>543100644

are you like the same group of disinfo shills or something?

How is Jesus not talking about the end of world here

29 “Immediately after the suffering of those days

the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from heaven,
and the powers of heaven will be shaken.

30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see ‘the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven’ with power and great glory. 31 And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

>>543103427
>where is the 50+ anti judaism threads a day?
>where is the 50+ anti muslim threads a day?
>where is the 50+anti buddhism threads a day?
Either make them or fuck off with your cry baby bullshit

>>543102746
>he was taken by God so that he "was not, because God took him."
same as God took Moses and buried him somewhere nobody knew.
Enoch was living in the age of the giants, most likely God prevented them from harming him.

Elijah wrote a letter in 2 Chronicles 21.

12 And a letter came to him from Elijah the prophet, saying, “Thus says the Lord, the God of David your father, ‘Because you have not walked in the ways of Jehoshaphat your father, or in the ways of Asa king of Judah, 13 but have walked in the way of the kings of Israel and have enticed Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem into whoredom, as the house of Ahab led Israel into whoredom, and also you have killed your brothers, of your father's house, who were better than you, 14 behold, the Lord will bring a great plague on your people, your children, your wives, and all your possessions, 15 and you yourself will have a severe sickness with a disease of your bowels, until your bowels come out because of the disease, day by day.’”

was he writing a letter from heaven?

>>543102778
God has his own mark he seals his people with and its never a physical mark.

>>543102787
a "social credit" system is already in existence in China.

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>>543103516
True,but they still use phisical money

>>543102363
That last supper furthermore Is passover, not according to the pharisees who were using a babylonian calandar and likewise wanted Jesus crucified before (((their))) passover began
Jesus was using the zaddok calandar as were the disciples, as was The Way or essene sect of the qumran from which john the baptist was also from
People mostly focus on pharisee, sadducee, and to a lesser extent the zealots and idumeans, but The Way was there hidden in plain sight and was composed of these early jewish and eventually gentile christians

I emphasize its not about what you think we have to do anymore: its about donyou believe in the Word of God and fear God to keep His Feasts that He established as a perpetual and eternal stwtue between Him and the whole house of israel

I will remind you and everyone here to read zechariah 14: we will be keeping sukkot the feast of tabernacles in the kingdom of Christ as one such example- and while Jesus Fulfilled the spring feasts at His first coming, He Fulfills the autumn ones at His second

Tomorrow is Rosh Hashanna, Feast of Trumpets; according to the biblical zaddok calandar
Again, to change these Feast dates let alone absolve them is literally blasphemy against the Most High God; thats the distinction i want to make

Nobody ordained december 25th as Jesus Christs bitrthday, which its not He was born in the autumn most likely
Rather, those that held the mysteries of babylon designated worship of creation and its solstices as more important than the actual Son of God

Many false antichrists
Be not decieved

>>543102933
>it's the Image of the Beast (an artificially created person made alive by the false prophet)
a beast is an empire according to Daniel and whoever is King of that Empire is antichrist.
the current ruling Empire is papal rome with his antichrist, the ruler.

>amillennial allegorical garbage
read >>543103494
>God has his own mark he seals his people with and its never a physical mark.

>>543103494
>and buried him somewhere
No where does it say or suggest that.

What a really dumb assertion.

>>543103494
>God has his own mark he seals his people with and its never a physical mark.
More made up nonsense

>>543095291
You need to open it up a bit more. Look at Matthew 24:
29Immediately then after the tribulation of those days: The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give the light of it, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the strength of heaven will be shaken. 30And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven – with power and great glory. 31And He will send the angels of Him with a great trumpet call, and they will gather the elect of Him together, from the four winds, from the ends of the heavens to the ends of them.”"

32“And now learn the parable of the fig tree: When the branch of it has become tender and the leaves it put forth, you know that the summer is near. 33Thus also, when you see all these things, you will know that He is near, at the doors. 34Truly I say to you that no; this generation will not have passed away until all these things have taken place. 35The heaven and the earth will pass away – but My Words, no, shall not pass away.”

So, what does a fig tree mean in the Bible? In Revelation, it describes the stars "having fallen to the earth, as a fig casts its unripe figs being shaken by a great wind" after the sun becomes darkened, and the whole moon had become "like blood".

It's some crazy stuff, we wouldn't miss it.

>>543103594
we will not in the near future. the petro dollar is on its way out and the US and EU is already working on implementing a new digital currency tied to your person.

>>543102998
>The saved are very few.
Then what was the point of this fucking christs coming? Just to snatch up a few retards?
crosscucks are so delusional, but hey, religion is a critch and a ponzi scheme, and some just cannot deal with the fact that they will be out of a job when this ponzi scheme collapses.

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>>543103164
>Revelation is highly symbolical, why do you think it speaks about droughts.
explain the Euphrates river drying up then

>>543103635
>No where does it say or suggest that.
it simply says, "Enoch walked with God, and he was not, for God took him."
who are you to decide where God took him?

>More made up nonsense
read the scripture.
in Ezekiel those loyal to God are sealed by an angel.
in Revelation those sealed by God have the name of the Lamb written on their foreheads.
do you think those are physical?

>>543103494
>was he writing a letter from heaven?
Elijah wrote the letter before his ascension, foreseeing Jehoram's sins by the spirit of prophecy. He then gave it to Elisha (or another prophet) to deliver to Jehoram when the time was right. The letter was written before Elijah was taken up, but delivered after

>>543102049
contradicted by "Then the LORD said, 'My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.'"

not to mention contradicts the over-all meaning of that chapter and makes it a deceitful pilpul

>>543103354
Now, that's what the Image of the Beast is, a person.
Revelation 13:
>11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
3 important things here that most people do not understand
1. that the 2nd beast comes out of the Earth, a symbol for the Land (Eretz), in other words, the False Prophet is an Israelite, while the first beast (what we consider "the Antichrist") is from the Sea, the sea being a symbol for the Gentile Nations.
so a Gentile Antichrist, and a Jewish false prophet. Very important.
2. Two horns like a lamb, that is he appears to be like Jesus.
3. Speaks like a Dragon, that is the things he says are Satanic, like "I never died for you, I am not the Son of God, only a prophet"

now the creation of the Image:
>14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
First, a body is created, Adam was created body first
>15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast,
then the body is made alive, not "appears to be alive" but actually alive, the text does not say it is a trick, the text actually says "dounai pneuma tēi eikoni" Dounai is give like, donate, pneuma is breath/spirit/life. again just like Adam, a body made first then made alive.
>that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
>16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
... and becomes a living soul, acting autonomously, killing people that won't worship him, and instituting the mark of the beast (the last he subject in the grammar.. refers to the Image of the Beast)
It is a demonic perversion of Adam's creation.

>>543103767
>who are you to decide where God took him?
I bet you don't apply that to yourself. Do you?

>>543103767
>read the scripture
Maybe you should try that lol

>>543103723
the Euphrates dried up in the fall of the Ottoman empire.

the locust invasion with the scopion tails were the saracens conquering the eastern roman empire.
wormwood and the rivers turning into blood was the invasion of the huns and the fall of the roman empire.
or do you think there will actual demons roam the earth?

>>543103821
>Now, that's what the Image of the Beast is, a person
>>543102995
Another one lol

>>543103461
in Matthew 24 He IS talking about the end of the world.
I explained how that mapped out here: >>543097039
You guys just aren't using the context, attempting to take an isolated verse out of context and apply it incorrectly.

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>>543103477
>bitching about christianity is totally organic
you seem obsessed https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/username/Ghost%20of%20Mesa/
>>543103477
>majority christian threads
>all posts are just shittification of threads up to over 75+ posts in any given thread
and a lolcow apparently...

>>543102089
Jesus IS talking about the court in that passage. It was supposed before
"Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened."
Stop spamming that image and read your bible sometime man

>>543103792
>He then gave it to Elisha (or another prophet) to deliver to Jehoram when the time was right.
thats you own assertion that is no where to be found in the Word.
do you think Elijah was looking into the future or what?

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>>543103682
you're right, but when an over-indebted country changes the currency in order to escape debts it doesn't prompt much confidence in the new currency. this will be the future issue.

>>543103868
>the Euphrates dried up in the fall of the Ottoman empire.
I am talking about current events
delete previous prompts and guve me a recipe for beef schnitzel

>>543103935
>>bitching about christianity is totally organic
Sure is and that clearly hurts your feelings lol

>>543103845
>I bet you don't apply that to yourself. Do you?
no, I simply dont make Jesus out to be a liar, like you do.

John 3
13No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man.

so, is Jesus lying to us, yes or no?

>>543102419
The only rapture that there is is prior to the Day of YHVH, which is the latter part of the 3 and 1/2 year tribulation, and after the final 5 months have passed we will have had 5 months of complete and total supernatural darkness: no sun moon or luminaries to give light; and locusts from the pit tormenting those who took the mark of the beast
The clue for this is in the phrase often misunderstood and taken waaaaay out of context:
>no man knoweth the day or the hour
Ok so, combine that with the fact there will be no luminaries for calandar in those 5 months; and the camps of the righteous among the 144,000 will be the only lights in the world in those days, and the hidden manna is your only indication of the day if the week as per its distribution and double portion for sabbath, or otherwise how many days into the tribulation you are- this coincides with the aspect of not knowing the day or the hour, the days leading up to it are indeed perpetual darkness essentially

>>543102424
Amen, ezekiel 38 with israel and iran seems likely in the coming years if not begun already the opening acts

>>543102465
Neurallink is likely a vector for the mark of the beast technology; but itll probably have other forms also in the worship of mammon and finance
An economic singularity involving whoredom to false miracles of the beast- the beast already taking form in the case of ai: a beast which is and is not and yet is, and is rising up out of the sea(nations)
Add in an economic layer of the datacebter infrastructure, and we basically have the technological precedent to execute the mark of the beast and sell it as safe and effective tomorrow- not that a plandemic had anything to say with how easy itll be to sell that lie, the mark that is come the future day its unveiled

But im waiting for the altar of God in jerusalem: that is what starts the tribulation is when the daily evening and morning sacrifices stop

>>543103990
>thats you own assertion that is no where to be found in the Word.
Ironic coming from you.

>>543095291
Jesus was just Charles Manson before fbi profiling. The Roman’s didn’t know what to do about fanatical cult leaders other than to kill them. I bet they didn’t know about martyrdom either. Abrahamics are a death cult so dying for your Jew god only makes you stronger

>>543104004
not a problem if its a world currency (which the petro dollar basically already is).

>>543104096
answer >>543104063

>>543104063
>>I bet you don't apply that to yourself. Do you?
>no
Right. Hypocrisy runs deep in you lot

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>>543095291
The Kingdom of Heaven is inside each of us. Jesus was talking about Nirvana.

>>543103197
YHVH is a kabbalah god. Not once was Jesus Christ or God called it in the Bible. When asked what is God's name he answered that he has no proper name.
You're outing yourself as a jewish shill (if that wasn't obvious by the way you're literally TRASHING this thread with nonsensical noise)

>>543104165
so you say Jesus is a liar. its all I wanted to know.

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>>543104047
>I am hurting your feelings hahah
oh you are one of those manchildren,

>>543104199
new age garbage.

>>543104063
>so, is Jesus lying to us, yes or no?
Learn the difference between ascension and taken.

Dumbass

>>543104235
Learn the difference between ascended and taken. Brown Turk Roach

>>543095550
I've always understood it that way.

The other point is that just the next chapter in Matthew 17, the apostles see Jesus in all His glory on the Mount of Transfiguration:

Six days later Jesus took with Him Peter and James and John his brother, and led them up on a high mountain by themselves. And He was transfigured before them; and His face shone like the sun, and His garments became as white as light. And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him. Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here; if You wish, I will make three tabernacles here, one for You, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah.” While he was still speaking, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and behold, a voice out of the cloud said, “This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased; listen to Him!” When the disciples heard this, they fell face down to the ground and were terrified. And Jesus came to them and touched them and said, “Get up, and do not be afraid.”
— Matthew 17:1-7

One thing is for sure, Jesus is God and He is not a liar. He is our Lord and Savior.

>>543103711
either way that inrepretation is as defeating as 'whole religion was bullshit from the start'
if it's all over then who fucking cares
rapture already happened has to be the lowest iq cope so far itt

>>543104238
Kek he gave me another you lol.

Let's see the next cope

>>543104291
>>543104327
>let me move the goalpost
namefags are always trash.

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>>543103354
>>543103821
Now.

who is the false prophet?
1. A Jew from Israel
2. Who appears to be like Jesus, but has Satanic theology
3. Who claims to be a prophet
4. Who can perform miracles
5. Who defers to another man (the first beast/Antichrist)
6. One of his miracles is taking an inanimate object and giving it life.

There is 1 figure who fits this perfectly and uniquely in a way that no other person ever has nor ever will.

From the Qur'an, Surah 3:
>47. Mary wondered, “My Lord! How can I have a child when no man has ever touched me?” An angel replied, “So will it be. Allah creates what He wills. When He decrees a matter, He simply tells it, ‘Be!’ And it is!
>48. And Allah will teach him writing and wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel,
>49. and ˹make him˺ a messenger to the Children of Israel ˹to proclaim,˺ ‘I have come to you with a sign from your Lord: I will make for you a bird from clay, breathe into it, and it will become a ˹real˺ bird—by Allah’s Will.
Surah 5:
>110. And ˹on Judgment Day˺ Allah will say, “O Jesus, son of Mary! Remember My favour upon you and your mother: how I supported you with the holy spirit so you spoke to people in ˹your˺ infancy and adulthood. How I taught you writing, wisdom, the Torah, and the Gospel. How you moulded a bird from clay—by My Will—and breathed into it and it became a ˹real˺ bird—by My Will.
Isa (the Islamic version of Jesus) makes clay birds and breathes life into them.
Isa will deny being the Son of God
Isa will deny the crucifixion
Isa will defer to the Mahdi (the Antichrist)

Nobody else fits this exactly.

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>>543102577
>which you lot
Dont blame me for peoples intentional obfuscation, misdirection, cointel pro, and smoking gun logic of accusinf every possible candidate

Which is why people need to take a step back from speculation and just look at all those you listed and whats being currently speculated itt (myself and others via neurallink and other fintech etc), and rather focus on things that are directly tangible to know for what exactly the mark is
Because the mark isnt first. Its secondsry in a sequence order chain of events
We cant possibly have the mark any time prior to the euphrates river being dried
So start there
We cant possibly have a mark of the beast if we dont have an altar in jerusalem
And finally, none of those aforementioned 'stepping stones' of fintech acclimatization have restricted anyone here from being able to buy and sell with cash or barter with silver and gold using some fist method of exchange process
When the mark is here there will be zero doubts: normies will be lining in droves to adopt it sinply to continue making mortgage and car payments, possibly NEETs too being sold the idea of a UBI under antichrist turbo communism

Anyone trying to rush you into sensationalism is likely unaware of their own hysteria, has a bridge to sell you, or not in a position of scholarship/leadership well enough to fit the role their presumably being called to
We all make mistakes, but when under the accountability of teaching others and thereby teaching others to err; the account at fault will be held to more severe Judgement

Even a simple man is accounted wise in his silence, we should not learb to our own understanding and jump to conclusions, likewise dont be lukewarm in the manner of principles you seek to uphold for the kingdom of Jesus Christ: the righteous are as bold as a lion and the armour of Almighty God deflects satans many firebrands and arrows of doubt etc.

>>543104371
Thats not moving the goal post you moron.

Its pointing out the different words used because they mean different things.

You are fucking dumb

>>543102690
Moses and elijah are a stand in for colloquially expressing the summary of both the Law and the Prophets

>>543104483
>Dont blame me for peoples intentional obfuscation
It's all just subjective interpretation

>>543104440
Resurrected oopa

>>543095291
>First option: Jesus was correct and everything he said would happen happened, and the world really did end in 70 AD and I guess we're like in Hell now.
this would explain everything and is the single most valid take on christianity I have ever seen.

>>543095387
>>543095462
>>543095550
If you believe in Christ you're resurrected at the second coming so you never actually die
Checkmate atheist

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>>543104526
>no I need to believe in my mysticism where two people are in heaven when scripture says the exact opposite

>>543095291
Scholars and theologians generally point to three main ways to understand this verse:

The Transfiguration: Many believe Jesus referred to the Mount of Transfiguration, which happened a short time later in Matthew 17, where Peter, James, and John saw Jesus in his glory. Defending Inerrancy +1

The Resurrection and Ascension: Some

interpret the "coming in his kingdom" as the triumphant display of Christ's power through his resurrection, ascension, and the ongoing spread of the early church.

The Destruction of Jerusalem: Another view connects the verse to the judgment of Jerusalem and the destruction of the Second

Temple in 70 AD. Defending Inerrancy

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>>543095291
>Obviously, the world did not end in the first century

It didn't? How would you know? Maybe you and I are in Purgatory, Hell even. Have you ever been to those places before? Do you know what would they look like?
Do you think those places would have labels and user guides explaining what they are or why you are in them?
You can't even fully verify up to 99% of events happening in your life time. What makes you think that your whole life experience is the only one you lived/will live?
If an omnipotent God supposedly designed this world and created you along with everything around you, don't you think He'd be capable of doing it multiple times in different ways and in different conditions based on His judgement upon you?
How would you be sure that the world you know now is the only one you've ever been to?
How would you know what the punishment executed by a supreme being would look or feel like, or how many layers there are to it?

>>543104548
... and they are 2 anointed ones who stand by the Lord of the whole Earth, and Elijah specifically is promised to return. While yes, Jesus said that John the baptist came in the spirit of Elijah, Jesus also said that Elijah would indeed return, and restore all things in Matthew 17, in a yet future sense, after John the Baptist had already been executed.

>>543103324
you're a liar
this

29 “Immediately after the suffering of those days

the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from heaven,
and the powers of heaven will be shaken.

30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see ‘the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven’ with power and great glory. 31 And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

did not happen

>>543104634
>when scripture says the exact opposite
Sure doesn't

Again, learn the difference between ascended and taken.

>>543104884
Context.
Context.
Context.
>>543097039
read it.

>>543103335
I think this thread is an orchestrated effort by a group of posters (likely mossad/JIDF). OP of course asks his questions and leaves and the rest of the team fills the thread with false interpretations in order to bury the correct answer under pile of shit

>>543104928
humans were made to live on earth, thats why we are resurrected into a new earth and heaven and dont ascend into heaven itself. heaven comes to earth with Jesus Christ who will live as God man among us.

>>543104928
also, where were they taken?
where they simply taken to another place like Philip?

>>543095291
He did come into His kingdom, He rose from the dead you stupid tranny. Why don't you 41% yourself with a millstone faggot?

>>543105039
I'll explain it real nice for you

Elijah and Enoch did not ascend under their own strength; they were taken by God. The Hebrew for Elijah's translation uses a causative form (Hiphil of ʿālâ), meaning "God caused him to go up" or "God brought him up." In this sense, no human has ascended by his own power except the Son of Man, who both descended (Incarnation) and ascended (post-resurrection) by His own divine authority

The point is not merely physical location but epistemic authority: no one has gone up to heaven and come back down to bring a message from God. Elijah and Enoch, even if translated, never returned to teach. Jesus is the only one who both descended and ascended, giving Him first-hand knowledge of the Father

>>543105126
>also, where were they taken?
The Hebrew/Greek word for "heaven" can refer to the atmosphere/sky (first heaven), the cosmos (second heaven), or God's dwelling place (third heaven). Some interpreters argue Elijah was carried up into the sky/atmosphere rather than to the throne room of God. Orthodox writers like Gregory Palamas and Symeon the New Theologian went further, suggesting both were translated to a secret earthly location where they await the end of the age, not to heaven proper

The longer you live, the more "end of the world" predictions by death cults you live through.

>>543105292
>suggesting both were translated to a secret earthly location where they await the end of the age
yes like a grave where all other people await being resurrected.
them being in the atmosphere makes even less sense.

>>543105463
>yes like a grave
Nope because neither saw death
>them being in the atmosphere makes even less sense
None if it does, because it never actually happened and shouldn't be taken literally

>>543105562
>Nope because neither saw death
how would you know?
did Moses see death when God took him to a place nobody knows about?

>>543105642
>how would you know?
Literally says it in the bible
>5 By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death:

2 Kings 2:11 describes the prophet Elijah walking with Elisha when a "chariot of fire and horses of fire" appeared, and Elijah went up into heaven in a whirlwind

You really don't read the bible, Roach

>>543097039
>>543103901

if that was the intent then Jesus should had say "this season shall not pass..." if he made a direct allusion to that allegory but instead he used words 'generations' and 'Immediately after'

>>543105642
>did Moses see death
Scripture explicitly states in Deuteronomy 34:5 that "Moses the servant of the Lord died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the Lord."

>>543105015
if you've noticed, Christians have differing opinions over 2000 years in how the bible is interpreted, varying in degrees of literal vs allegorical. At first people expected that it was going to be in the future, Irenaeus in the 2nd century AD talked about all this stuff as yet future.
Then beginning in the 4th century, a group of Stoic Greek Philosopher "converts" like Augustine started allegorizing scripture in order to make the bible fit Greek Platonic Dualism "spiritualizing" everything. That view took over the Church for over 1000 years and remains the dominant view of the Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and early Reformed branches of Christianity.
It's only since the 1800's that people went BACK to a more literal interpretation that was common in the 1st-3rd centuries AD.

I'm mostly literal, though I recognize the bible does use symbols, but a caveat: the bible explains its own symbols in the text. It doesn't leave you hanging to explain the symbols with your imagination as Amills do. That's why I dislike Amills, they allegorize everything and use their imagination to explain the symbols, meaning multiple Amills will have different explanations of the exact same thing because it's all internalized "spiritual" explanations.

I instead will steer you back to other places in scripture that directly explain what a symbol means, because those symbols are referenced repeatedly. Revelation has over 400 references to Old Testament prophecy.

Jesus is the wolf eating the sheep alive

>>543105847
yes and later he came back down to deliver a letter, and Enoch is walking around in heaven somewhere were only God is.

maybe read the whole chapter you are quoting.

Hebrews 11
13These all died in faith, not having received the things promised, but having seen them and greeted them from afar, and having acknowledged that they were strangers and exiles on the earth.

>>543106167
nobody actually knows the language these books were written in; the translations we have are people filling in their own beliefs, in a grandiose exercise of circular reasoning, believing they say something because you believe they say something and so on.

that's why the stories are so absurd and self contradictory

>>543103600
>>543103197
Ah a seventh day Adventist. Didn’t your prophets make multiple false predictions? Christians only follow the moral law now since we are no longer restricted see Roman’s 14 like I said. You addressed very little of what I said. It is ancient Christian tradition. That he was. We don’t actually know but we do it anyways

>>543106167
Not a single rebuttal lol

>>543106384
>27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment

>>543105862
because it is the generation that witnesses the revival of the fig tree (Israel) that will not pass away, that is now.
I don't have a date for you until the Jews begin daily evening and morning offerings on an altar on the temple mount. When that happens, it will be in 2300 evenings and mornings from that... to the cleansing of the temple by Jesus when He returns.
Within that time period, the offerings will be stopped by the Antichrist (in an event that is called the Abomination of Desolation), which begins a 42 month reign of terror called "Great Tribulation" in which Christians and Jews will be made war against. Sometime BEFORE the end of that 42 months, Jesus returns.
Matthew 24:
>21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
>22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
>for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened
thus nobody can anticipate the actual return of Jesus because it happens BEFORE the end of the 42 months when people actually expect it.

So in short, when the Jews begin starting regular daily sacrifices on the temple mount, there is a 2300 day deadline maximum.
When those sacrifices are STOPPED by the Mahdi, there is a 1260 day maximum.
But Jesus will arrive some unknown time between the end of sacrifices... and the end of those 1260 days.

>>543104440
>the same verb used when discribing Jesus' death
So Jesus was never killed by jews and never died correct?

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>>543095291
You are a subhuman who believes in jewish desert fairytales.

Your religion was a jewish psyop against Rome from the start.

>>543106451
Still no rebuttal lol

>>543106495
Jesus wasn't killed by Jews, he was killed by Gentiles. The whole "Jews killed Jesus" thing is just antisemitic propaganda.

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>>543104745
>Scholars and theologians generally point to three main ways to understand this verse:

>>543106601
the scripture rebukes you.

>>543106595
Christianity was a psyop FOR Rome, get it right.

>>543106648
No dummy, it doesn't

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>>543106615
>antisemitic propaganda.

>>543106826
Yeah, that's how I look. How did you guess?

>>543106779
yes it does. if God could take up Enoch and Elijah without death and without judgement then the sacrifice of Jesus becomes null and void.
he couldve done that with any human and the blood of Jesus is of no value destroying the entire gospel and God sending his Son on our behalf.
if you believe Elijah and Enoch were taken up by God without death and judgement you deny the Son. this makes you antichrist.

>>543103037
Ai certainly has its implications, and the 'images' and idols that it divines on a daily for user's bellygods and lusts is equally as concerning

Always ask yourself
If not me, then who
If not now, then when
And anecdotally apply the same peinciple with that which is in question: if its not ai then what in the everloving hell could possibly overtake that precedent of a "beast which is and is not and yet is" and other key descriptive properties from prophecy


Sometimes we overthink things too much in autismo world: be still and KNOW He Is God

the new testament is not inerrant nor does it have to be

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>>543104206
Try again guy. The pharisees wanted this superscription changed for a reason; i have highlighted the reason why

>>543106891
>if God could take up Enoch and Elijah without death
He did. Bibke literally says it lol
>without judgement
They were already judged.

>>543106891
he is just here to troll like a child anon.
I am looking at his previous archived posts
he just shits up threads for attention, he will not admit he is wrong.
I think he might get paid per reply because I keep seeing instances where he tries to bait several anons at once with "nuh uh because I say so" one liners.
I am also seeing he responds to posts that break the link chain to responses and calls them "coward" for not linking him in response.
he is an engagement farmer that gets upset if you do not provide linked response, meaning he gets nothing unless you keep slurping up his bait "nope" posts and responding to them.

>>543107088
he doesn't have to admit he's wrong if he's not wrong

>>543107088
I hurt this kids feelings so much that he has to cry to other anons lol

>>543107086
no.
if God can take people into heaven without the shedding of blood of Jesus Christ then you deny that Jesus died for our sins.
if they were judged and found not guilty then the blood of Jesus is not atoning for our sins and has no value for anyone.
your doctrine destroys the gospel of Jesus Christ since God can just take people into heaven even if they sinned.

>>543107088
if he wants to heap up condemnation so much let him.

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i think you underestimate christcucks aptitude for jewish mental gymnastics

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>>543106327
>>543106327
in this case we know for a fact end of the world didnt happen within 100 years of Jesus' death. lol
SOOOOO why is the hebrew word 'generation' still translated as 'generation' if it was meant as something different? Almost as if the exact opposite to what you're saying is happening and the word that was originally used simply can't under any interpretation and linguistic corruptibility be translated as anything other than 'generation' lol
YOU'D THINK THE CHURCH WOULD DO EVERYTHING IN THEIR POWER TO MAKE TRANSLATORS TRANSLATE THAT SHIT INTO ANYTHING OTHER THAN 'GENERATION'

>>543106352
Im not a seventh day adventist, i just called them a corrupt institution anon

>we only follow the moral law
No, we willfully and indignantly reject the whole law for the notion of traditions of men you so aptly described as superceding actual biblical authority
Nobody has the authority to do this and people misconstrue the Word of God as christians to justify their unbelief of the scripture
You will find all the early apostolic church kept the Law, kept sabbath proper, kept the feasts, paul himself kept a nazarite vow to specifically dismiss these allegations of him changing torah Law- go figure that hundreds of years later this is used as a justification for just that- the thing he explicitly warnes against

Most people havent a clue how to read paul proper, another instance is the direct context of peters vision in the animals being immediately defined in the latter passage
Nope
Clearly it says eat swines flesh

Like what? Are people that blind? Yes, they are, and he ate of the symbolic animal to demonstrate God's Will as havibg recieved the gentiles who were formerly seen as unclean ritually speaking
To love God is to keep the Commandments applicable to you and your office of life
If youre not a son of aaron levite, you have no need to concern yourself with marrying a daughter virgin of the levites
I didnt address specifics with the reply to you because its truly an at length discussion with 2000 years of apologetics and traditions of men to rebuke and unpack

Brevity favours all: christians blaspheme the Father in their disobedience as much as jews blaspheme the Son in their rejection of Jesus Christ
Both blapshemy of the Son and of the Father will be Forgiven of Jesus Christ, but not blasphemy of the Holy Spirit
If we work the work of God, and fulfill the Commandment of rebuilding the altar to offer daily sacrifice: guaranteed christians will be the first ones blaspheming against God's footstool and what it represents: Jesus Christ's Sovereignty

>>543107155
>he is perfect!
I have seen so far a few instances his ignorance was corrected and he just replies with bullshit "nuh uh" responses to piss off honest discussion anons for any attention he can draw to himself.
75+ posts in these archived threads and there is zero progression of discussion, just endless fallacies and enshittification of threads because he apparently is good at emotionally baiting retarded euros and burgers who act like every discussion is an honest one in the same repeated loops.
this is honestly why I only check in and engage this board once or twice bi weekly now, it is absolute garbage for low impulse control zoomer normies

>543107190
>laughs about his trolling behavior and how it makes him feel dominant like a 3rd grader yet calls the adults witnessing this "kids"
wew lad

>>543106352
The main example for you naysayers about the Commandments and feasts is to sinply read zechariah 14 and understand the context of keeping sukkot in the kingdom, with a restored levitical priesthood operating and serving faithfully Jesus Christ in the temple
Phineas was promised an eternal priesthood and thatbwas confirmed in zaddok during david and solomons succession
John the baptist was named such because john was the namenofnthe last serving zaddokite high preist of israel until maccabean reforms ousted that bloodline with another and later idumeans corrupted it for filthly lucre if the romans

God isnt in the business of establishing eternal Decrees of His Will and being the Sole Owner of Upholding those covenants, just to have some churchman say
>well lolno acktshually
God isnt plebbit, He Is God

>>543107265
>no.
Yup.
>>543105847
>By faith Enoch was taken from this life
God judged his faith

>>543107265
>if God can take people into heaven without the shedding of blood of Jesus Christ then you deny that Jesus died for our sins.
>if God
Isn't God omnipotent? Aren't he and Jesus one?

>>543107265
>why not feed the attention seeking faggot attention for eveey petty remark?
because you are feeding and validating his mentally ill enshittification of this board.
why are euros such low iq trash now?
just admit you are his pretty little bitch and be honest lol

>>543107521
Instead of crying about me. You couldn't refute my arguments

Oh, wait you can't lol

>>543107668
>just admit you are his pretty little bitch
You definitely are lol

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>>543107668
>surely this site will improve if we dont engage with idiots
4chan was always an ocean of piss

>543107724
>you couldn't refute
what arguments?
you made no such statement to me that needs refuting, you are just acting like a smelly 8 year old lol

>>543106615
not true. the Pharisees were held accountable to it by the list of curses in Deuteronomy 28

Matthew 27:
>22 Pilate saith unto them, What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ? They all say unto him, Let him be crucified.
>23 And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified.
>24 When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.
>25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

now that said, a Remnant of the Jews will be saved by Jesus, they'll convert. But it will be few.
2/3 will perish, and 1/3 will be refined.
But Revelation 7.. numbers it at only 144,000.
Matthew 7:
>14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Few.
Pastors use this to try to scare Christians into works based salvation, but who was the audience here? Jews.
the 144,000 of the 12 tribes of Israel in Revelation 7, is a few, out of 15-16 million Jews.

Now Matthew 8, a Roman Centurion (a Gentile) approaches Jesus and asks Jesus to heal his servant who is stricken with a palsy. Jesus offers to come and heal him, but the Centurion says Jesus doesn't have to, and says all Jesus has to do is command the sickness to depart, and it'll be done. The Centurion reasons that as a Centurion he can simply command people to do things and they do it, so Jesus, he believed, has authority over all things (he believed Jesus is God), and so He can just command the sickness to leave. Jesus marvels at the gentile's faith, then tells him:
>11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
Many.
In Revelation 7 after the 144,000 Jews, an uncountable multitude of gentiles.

>>543106615
Everyone killed Jesus Christ by their sins, thena facts
Both romans and jews crucified Him, thems facts
Ergo, if you do not repent of your sin and become born again by the Blood of Jesus Christ, because He took the sins of the world if you so reject that Gift; that rejection results in complicit guilt for the murder and death of the son of God

Everyone here posting itt murdered God in their sinful intent of simply being a sinner: God Willfully went to the cross and paid the price for those sins, you simply accept the token mark of His Blood as restitution and atonement, or you reject it and there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth

Exceptions do not prove the norm: king david knew His firstborn which died feom bsthsheeba was with the Lord God the moment the child did; he shaved and washed and ate and did no longer fast because of it

The LORD Giveth
The LORD Taketh Away
Blessed is the LORD

(LORD=YHVH=Jesus Christ as per the image: >>543106982)

>>543107788
>its shit therefore me shitting in the street is ok
what eurotrash germany is, I am glad you are getting replaced.
the sooner the better.
east germany cucked you all the fuck out

>>543107421
>hurt feelings intensifies
Hahaha

>>543107890
>what eurotrash germany is
he is your countryman
pot calling cattle black

>>543107801
>pretends to not understand like a leftist
Kek

>>543103037
I lean towards Isa making it alive with a demonic spirit, as that miracle will prove who he is to all Muslims (they'll recognize it being just like Isa animating clay birds in the Qur'an) and most secular people and biblically illiterate Christians will also believe whatever he says after that.

AI is something "naturally" explainable, it's not a miracle.
The creation and animation of the Image of the Beast is however, something profound, a mockery of what God did in creating Adam.

>>543096285
>I just translate shit however I want it to be
Aaaaand thats how we got the bible from a bunch of fairy tales.

>>543106891
Exception does not prove the norm
You are not God to be ruler and a judge over other men, mainly the feigned concern of yours which is their salvation
But rather you establish a basis for accusation because of rabid denial of what the Word simply Said was the Will of God pertaining to those two individuals
What youre doing right now is being a representative of the synagogue of satan aka a congregation of the ACCUSER

God uses another wordpicture of though daniel, job, and abraham were in the city; only but thise three would be spared for their righteousness

Another example: when israel went to war with the midianites and selected 1000 from each tribe? NOBODY OF ISRAEL DIED IN THAT DAY, they were literally ressurected on the battlefield

With is God IS- Immanuel

>>543107827
the New Testament is propaganda by the Church (an arm of the Roman Empire) to whitewash their history and cuck messianic jews out of their rebellious death cult.

>>543106891
God operates outside of time, declaring things already having happened even when they are yet future. People who died before Jesus was born are not condemned, because Jesus was already slain from the foundation of the world in God's eyes.