>Clearly, democracy’s fatal flaw is that it lets everyone vote. >The fix is simple: only people who pass an IQ test should get a ballot. >Here’s how it works. >You show up to vote. >A cheerful volunteer hands you a booklet. >Score above 90? >Here’s your ballot. >Score below? Here’s a lollipop and a pamphlet titled "So You’d Like to Be Smarter Next Time."Problem solved.
I think that, in order to vote, you should have to pass the same civics test that people take to become US citizens. No one can explain why this shouldn't be the case.
>>543113667>>543113755You guys trust the system too much. Whoever writes the test will ask not to ascertain IQ, but to weed out white chuds.
>>543113967The test is about civics knowledge monke. It's not an IQ test, but a test of your understanding of the American constitution and system of government.
>>543114060Who cares? Have you seen how your teachers grade your kids maths? It will ask about American role in failing to stop the holocaust, which we all know is the defining trait of your nation. Try saying anything remorely true to see if they'll pass you. Any test you make means you trust the guys applying the test.
>>543114060It doesn't matter what they're ostensibly testing; they'll still try to rig it to disenfranchise their political enemies.
>>5431136671. both parents must be natural born citizens2. For federal election, you must demonstrate knowledge of national and geopolitical issues and how those relate to your states' interests. 3. Must be land owning and good standing head of a household (male)
>>543114060>It's not an IQ testIt should be. Actually, it should really be a general wisdom test, since there are plenty of Mensafags who believe men can become women, niggers are human, and other such delusional retardation. I don't care if you have autistic attention to detail & pattern recognition and are good at programming computers. I care that you're sane and lucid and grounded in objective reality.
>>543113667No. If you cand add two digit numbers in head you shouldnt vote.
>>543114201>Who cares?You do.>>543114205I said use the same test they use for citizenship. Who is "they"? It's my idea that I'm proposing so who is "they"?>>543114235Ok write a general wisdom test, and make sure it's not just about agreeing with your own personal opinion, because we both know that's probably what it would be because you talk like a narcissistic woman.
Democracy didn't let everyone vote. It was highly restricted, but then that subgroup was propagandized until they voted to expand suffrage.>>543114060You need to think more like a jew: As soon as it becomes necessary to to pass that test, some bureaucrat will be scheming to insert shit about slavery and melting pots into it to filter out all the white men they hate.America's done.
>>543114423>Who is "they"?Whoever gains control of the testing apparatus.They'd have to be people who are skilled at infiltrating government organizations and subverting them to their own ends. I'll let you ponder who might fit the profile.
>>543114423No, I don't. It doesn't matter what the test is about. You're introducing a middle man between the voters and the elected officials and claiming this somehow makes the whole process more legit. I'm telling you there's no way you can guarantee this middle man will not use his powers to interfere and skew the results towards whatever goals he has. If you had a genie wish that prevented dumb people from voring, it could work, but then you could just wish for good leaders instead. You don't have that. You have a messy process relying on untrustworthy humans and even non human kikes.
>>543114521>You need to think more like a jew:stopped reading there>>543114531So what is your proposal for how to deal with the problem then? And why do I already know it's some babble about jews?
>>543114673You do. That's why you just typed up so much shit I didn't read.
>>543114423>Who is "they"? It's my idea that I'm proposing so who is "they"?The people administering the tests. Obviously. I mean holy fuck anon how was that even a question? Do you really think that, since it was ostensibly your idea, you will be the one in charge of administering the test to everyone?>Ok write a general wisdom testLolololol. General wisdom according to whom? Can you give us a sample question or two you might use to test for "general wisdom?"
>>543113667You ought to take one of the Jim Crow tests before you start advocating for that one champ
>>543114800Well alabama will might commiefornia and jew york in basic civics but lose to them in niggerish
>>543114699Get a load of this oven dodging yid over here!
>>543114699I'm not convinced that dumb people voting is a problem but if it is then I'm not sure about the solution. What I am sure about is that introducing a new problem, i.e. a tempting target for corruption as you propose, is not a solution.
>>543114727YOU ARE FUCKING RETARDED.The test doesn't matter. Who grades it matter.IS THIS FEW WORDS ENOUGH FOR YOUR RETARDED BRAIN?
>>543113667I have a better idea. Only White Men should be allowed to vote and run for office, with every vote requiring the voter to behead a poojeet at the ballot box.
>>543114856>niggerishAfter reading that "sentence" you wrote it's clear that you are fluent.
>>543113667>only people who pass an IQ test should get a ballot.let me guess, the jews make the test. get gassed kike.
>>543114957Product of a democrat education unlike Alabama that beats all blue states in education. But you are aware of that
>>543113755Nah, a simple IQ test someone with 90 IQ can pass.>>543113967Okay Brazilian, post your hand and timestamp if you care so much about us whites.>>543114252That is too low, I understand that is what goes for average intelligence in hungary, but america is better than that.
>>543113755It’s an ok approach because that test does require a basic grasp of civics and history, and it would be fun to watch dumbfucks failing it. But I would prefer a pure intelligence test. As someone with a ~135 iq I feel like the internet and especially social media has been a disaster for society. Just as stops people can’t easily comprehend intelligent folk, it’s very hard for intelligent people to comprehend how stupid others can be; there are some times where I thought someone was trolling me or being hypocritical online before realizing that they’re actually retarded. If it’s a genuinely stupid person I don’t want to be mean to them and I also don’t want to waste my time. But it’s impossible to tell on social media who’s smart, truthful, or increasingly even human. In earlier periods the effort required to get on usenet, a bulletin board, a forum, or an image board meant you could count on some baseline level of reading comprehension and technical ability, but twitter, Instagram, TikTok etc have empowered so many odious to post their odious opinions online and I’m so sick of it. It’s not political bias either, a great many of the people I loosely agree with politically are just as stupid as the people I disagree with. People in general are shit. I really wish I could be one of those people who just doesn’t give a fuck and continually grifts of the masses or accumulates so much money that it’s safe and easy to ignore politics altogether.
>>543115782Happy?
>>543113667voting already does nothing, you should know
>>543113667LOL, OP doesn't understand that it's only low IQ people who vote, what a faggot
>>543115258Ok, my niggerish is pretty rusty but I think you're trying to make the claim that the education systems in California and New York are top tier? Because that's not true, neither of those states is even in the top ten. When you factor in the cost per pupil relative to their educational achievement those states are both near the bottom. Half of the top ten states in education are solidly Republican states.
>>543114800Okay well we shouldn't have tests at all for anything then right?
>>543116376>its high iq to let the party of nigger and spics only vote
>>543114836I can pass one of those handily. My median tested IQ is 137 between adulthood and childhood.>>543115854My wife has a high IQ and it took her an embarrassingly long time to realize how retarded most human apes are. >>543115969Kek, I like you man. We might disagree but you are funny.
>>543116441>Okay well we shouldn't have tests at all for anything then right?If we required IQ tests to vote, you would never be allowed to vote again.
>>543113967White chuds are very low iq
>>543116441Also, you forgot to give us your sample questions to test for general wisdom. Come on anon, I need a laugh.
>>543116595Think of like this, white man. The nigerest question: How would you feel if the test result said you're not allowed to vote?>inb4 but it wouldn't say thatNigger tier response.The truth is the test is FLAWED. It doesn't measure IQ at all, it just bars chuddies from voting, and any who complain will be labelled retarded. Whoever makes the test decides who is considered high IQ and who isn't. Decides who votes and who doesn't. Don't you believe the settled science, chud? That means you're too stupid to vote. Do you understand why it won't work?>>543116629Yeah, I'm pretty sure if I stopped before the >inb4 above that's the actual response I'd get from 90% of the retards in this thread.
>>543116629Average white male iq is 98 to 106 depending on country. Now lets do India where a Bhangi like you scores what, 70?
>Should low IQ "people" be allowed to vote?Not unless you want shit to turn out like it is turning out as now.
>>543116894I understand your argument. It is a valid one. However this is a thought experiment and as such there would be flaws hammered out in making the system. You are remixing the old Stalin quote picrelI am advocating for a system where voting requires more than just existing. It should be earned. An IQ test is a simple way of doing so.
>>543113667If you tested IQ, The Republican party would crumble.So I'm cool with it.
>>543117215IQ test is a simple way of faking it instead. On the complete different argument that voting should require more than existing, which I agree as well, the solution should be something like land owning, or being a father, or serving the military, idk, but something you can't just fake. An IQ test you're just fucking handling the vote counting on a silver platter to the kikes who already own academia and decide what the settled science says.
>>543117292Actually it would destroy both parties as voting and serving would require that simple IQ test. Good luck getting votes for Democrats when black median IQ is what, 85?
>>543117415See those choices disenfranchise people that do not deserve it imo.>Male only Women are able to do much of what men do and should keep the right to vote. If they can pass the IQ test they get to have the same rights. >Property owning I was poor in my 20s, should I have not got to vote because my parents were broke and I had to work my way up to a house?>Millitary service Okay this one makes a bit of sense. However counterargument if everyone who can vote went through the millitary they would have all been brainwashed directly by the state. >KikesI mean thats a boogy man everyone on here points at to stop any real discussion. >solution to your proposed problemIQ test is taken in front of 3 neutral mediators (from 2 ruling parties, and one paid nonpartisan) to make sure there is no cheating. Once it is passed you can vote for 10 years. Those with mental decline shall be disenfranchised.
>>543113667It’s more that unclassy lives are effectively soulless and deserve no standing
>>543117899>neutral mediatorsHere you kill your idea. In a perfect world where the IQ testers are trustworthy, sure it could work. But in the real world you will not find honesg people administering the test. If a malicious actor fails you, do you have to wait 10 years for a retest? If not, nigs will go to kikestein testing company after failing the regular honest test and repeat until kike passes them. Your entire system relies on trusting that it does work.And now let's assume it does work. Suddenly you have a large part of the population being told, point blank: "you're too stupid to vote". They'll chimp out and make mostly peaceful fiery protests all around you. The rest of the world will smell the blood and go in for the kill. Game over.Like I said, if you could get a genie wish to make your system work, it would work, but youvwouldn't need it. If you don't get a magical wish, then in real life, your system won't work.
>>543118140>>543118140>>543118140So neutral does not equate to non-bias. All humans are bias. Literally their job would just be to make sure the test is graded correctly. And it would be a simple multiple choice quiz where the questions would be randomly selected from standard base 90 IQ questions therefore nobody could game the quiz etc.Now, non voters would be second class citizens and seen as such, therefore police "brutality" against them would be easily warranted. Remember human psychology is tribal. We can first push education by giving real rights to those who pass. And we can suppress the retards that do not. I want a more just and prosperous society.
>>543118555You still don't fucking get it. How much would it cost me to corrupt the testers just enough for, in a red state to "when in doubt, fail"; or on blue states to "when in doubt, pass"? Bribery? Threatening their families? Streaming talmudvision to their kids brains 247 and waiting one generation change? Someone with enough money (which they can print for free) and above the laws can EASILY manipulate whatever barrier you're setting to say "these can vote, these can't" so that he disallows his opponents while allowing his partisans. All your barrier actually gives is legitimacy to their democratic regime. It may look good on paper, but it will be abused in reality. Your idea never addresses this: how would you prevent jewish subversion of your idea?
>>543118870You ever read the sticky for /pol/?Lets break down your current argument. >Ad hominem“You still don't fucking get it” attacks the person, not the argument.>Slippery slopeIf we set a test, it will be corrupted, therefore we shouldn't set any test. Assumes the worst case without evidence.>Appeal to emotionBribery, threatening families, “talmudvision” uses fear and disgust instead of logic.>False causeAssumes that because corruption is possible, it is inevitable. Possibility is not causation.>Genetic fallacy“Jewish subversion” dismisses the idea based on imagined origin, not the idea itself.>Loaded question“How would you prevent Jewish subversion?” assumes Jewish subversion is real and relevant. It is not.>Black-or-whiteEither we have no barrier or it will be totally corrupted. No middle ground.>Personal incredulity“I can't see how to prevent corruption, so it must be impossible.”>ConclusionYou are arguing from fear and conspiracy, not evidence. Any system can be abused. That does not prove this one is uniquely bad.
>>543114521>As soon as it becomes necessary to to pass that test, some bureaucrat will be scheming to insert shit about slavery and melting pots into it to filter out all the white men they hate.>America's done.This actually already happens. I took an official IQ test (court ordered) and had to answer questions about jewish slavic authors and identify b/w civil rights photos. Raised floor, lowered ceiling. That's the only way to make niggers seem human
>>543113967Damn. You mean like southern states did to Blacks for a long time?
>>543119056>quoting kike pilpulI'm fucking done with you. If at current year you still believe slippery slope is a fallacy, then you can get fucked for all I care.All your grand standing and I showed bazillion examples of how EASILY your system can be abused, and NOT ONCE did you say anything about how it won't be. It's just wishful thinking of "nah, it won't happen".Get fucked, kike. I sincerely hope you suffer plenty.
>>543113667>The fix is simple: only people who pass an IQ test should get a ballot.Here is an even simpler solution. Only white men can vote, like had been the case since the beginning of democracies.No need for IQ tests. Just go back to the way things always have been.
>>543113667Should be more like an aptitude test, but that amounts to an IQ test as well, and the threshold should be somewhere around the 120-130 mark (I am being as generous as humanely possible).Like, you have common sense? You know the system is fake and gay? You are sapient?Congrats, you can vote.
>>543113667The real redpill is low IQ people should not be allowed to breed. Every man below 120 IQ and woman below 100 IQ should be sterilized.
>>543119315As a bonus: this shouldn't depend on age in any way; you can take the test whenever, 10 years old, 100 years old? If you pass you pass.
>>543114699>why do I already know it's some babble about jews?Paranoid schizophrenia, guilt, and the fact that you're here in order to control a narrative because you know this is where antisemites are.
This won't solve anything and OP is just as unfit to make a political decision than the people he claims shouldn't get to vote.In reality it doesn't matter how qualified your voters are in making a good political decision when all choices are terrible. You can have the best decisionmakers in the world yet if they can not actually pick a good decision then it doesn't matter. If the choice is between Israel shill in red and Israel shill in blue then why should we restrict who gets to vote when the voting choices are fundamentally flawed?What should actually be restricted is who can run for political office and who can get elected. You should put measures in place that ensure politicians actually give a fuck about the population they rule and put up strong anti-corruption and anti-lobbyism measures too.One example of this is that people with dual citizenship can be part of congress, the house and the senate. Why is this allowed?Additionally how can government officials vote on wars when they were never part of the armed forces while also not being enlisted as reservists? Rulers in the past had to fight in their wars while today they can sit in some office with 20 assistants and get paid far more than the soldiers they send to a foreign country.
>>543113667>instead of actually addressing the problem, let's hand out free IQ inflation booklets so EVERYONE can study for IQ tests and undermine their purposeHuh. I wonder what nationality OP is.
jews are high IQ but they act malevolently and not in the interest of societyIQ test was also created by jews
>>543119617>jews are high IQSTUDYING FOR IQ TESTS NEGATES THEIR PURPOSE.
>>543119562Good post I read it. That's precisely why only White land owners could vote at the dawn of this nation. Even that is not perfect, frankly. Definitely better than 200 million bitches and niggers, though.
>>543113667IQ test? Nah. I have met people with incredibly high IQs that have absolutely moronic takes on politics. I think a better test would be being able to pass a multiple choice quiz asking people to correctly identify basic political terminology, how this terminology aligns with policies and then a small section asking them which party fits what terminology. 80-90% of voters would fail this test as well as most of this board.
>>543119941>damn, that's a lot of "neither">passes>Hmmmm.
>>543114423>That's just, like, your opinion that men can't become women. >t. picrel YLTYWNBAWKYS
>>543120032It would at least instantly highlight the actual intentions of parties relatively quickly. It's like in Australia right now, One Nation is hard selling the immigration debate to capture votes (before faggots get their panties in a twist, yes I believe in mass deportation) and conveniently leaving out their real purpose which is to sell out hard to billionaires and the business elite. You can grab a person by the ears and force them to look at how specific politicians vote on legislation but most people are too blinded by the specific issue they care about to realise that they might potentially get utterly fucked over. We are past a political solution, the corruption runs too deep.
>>543119308On your meme:>Texas Sharpshooter97% since the 14th century is an arbitrarily chosen window. Pick a window after 1400 and you exclude the Islamic Golden Age, Chinese inventions, Indian mathematics, and Mesoamerican astronomy. You draw the target around the bullet hole.>Appeal to AuthorityCiting "Murray, 2003" is not neutral. Charles Murray is a political scientist known for pseudoscientific race and IQ claims, not a historian. His authority is not accepted on this subject.>Ambiguity"Human accomplishment" is undefined. If you define it as Western-style scientific and industrial output, then of course it clusters in Western Europe. That is a tautology, not an argument.>False CauseThe claim implies the region itself caused the accomplishment. It ignores historical context: colonialism, resource extraction, the Industrial Revolution, and the printing press. Geography is not causation.>Black-or-WhiteThe claim implies 97% of all accomplishment happened there, erasing simultaneous achievements in Asia, the Middle East, and Africa during the same period.>ConclusionThis is a politically motivated statistic built on cherry-picked data and an undefined metric. It is not a valid historical argument.
Rhodesia followed a good voting model. If you are illiterate, unable to do simple math, or unable to answer simple questions related to the current cultural climate then you shouldn't be allowed to vote.>>543113755Fibby bippy.
>>543119562Come on Hans, you must have gone to Hauptschule and barely graduated with those logical abilities. Here, I will give you the same treatment as the others.>False dilemma / black-or-white“All choices are terrible” and “Israel shill in red and Israel shill in blue” treats every option as equally bad and assumes no meaningful difference. It ignores nuance and policy differences.>Non sequiturEven if the choices are flawed, it does not follow that voter restrictions are irrelevant. The conclusion does not follow from the premise.>Appeal to tradition“Rulers in the past had to fight in their wars” is used to argue today’s officials should be required to serve. What was done in the past is not automatically right for now. This is appeal to tradition.>False analogyModern representative government is not the same as feudal or ancient rulers leading armies. The comparison ignores scale, complexity, and civilian control of the military.>Loaded question“Why is dual citizenship allowed?” assumes it should not be allowed. The question smuggles in a conclusion without argument.>Appeal to emotion“Get paid far more than the soldiers” and “give a fuck” use envy and anger instead of evidence. Emotion is not a logical argument.>Hasty generalizationThe claim that restricting candidates will fix corruption assumes all politicians are corrupt and that one reform will solve everything. It ignores other factors.>ConclusionYou mixe valid concerns with fallacies. You use conspiracy, false dilemma, and appeal to tradition. The proposals may be debatable, but the reasoning here is not sound.
>>543113667>I'M HIGH IQ>I VOTEPick one you retard. Voting is a litmus test. The only reason they count votes is to see how many goyim slaves still can't see their shackles.
>Why is dual citizenship allowed?” assumes it should not be allowed.Shalom!
>>543121103Hans, war die Hauptschule zu schwer für dich? Ist schon okay, wenn du nicht gegen mich argumentieren kannst. Ich weiß wahrscheinlich mehr über dein Land, als du jemals über meins wissen könntest.
>using strawman and ad hominem while seething about hallucinated falaciesTHIS NIGGA
