tl;dr young people have observed that capitalism has failedP.S fuck communismhttps://news.gallup.com/poll/714653/socialism-positive-rating-tops-first-time.aspx
>>543148147Paki thread
>>543148147>the goal of socialism is communism>vladimir lenin eat shit commie and get a fucking job
How many of them could describe socialism correctly?
>>543148147Based
>>543148274>the goal of socialism is communismDoes that mean every military is communist?
>>543148286socialism is basically what we already have, but theoretically the people running the economy are accountable to the people (by vote) and ideally things are not run as some insane rent seeking bullshit.I know you'll claim this is wrong because you're a retarded faggot, but the US hasn't been a "free market country" practically since WWII.
>>543148454>military is communistnigger, are you legit retarded?
>>543148147Leftists are scum. They’re the same as heroin addicts and worse because they destroy all of society, not just themselves. They legitimately think genocide is fine because it will reduce the carbon footprint. The USA has far more socialists and communists than people would like to believe. Especially amongst the youth. The vast majority of Americans under the age of 30, including those posting here, are communists and supporters of Zohran Mamdani and the Democratic Socialists of America. Communism is a resentment-based ethos that culminates in anti-heterosexual, anti-white, and anti-male sentiment in the modern day, just as in Marx’s day it was predominantly a Jewish anti-European doctrine. Nearly every American is a leftist and self-hating white who supports illegal immigration and the destruction of white America.I don't think most white Americans, especially those who like Trump, realize how much leftists, progressives, and many liberals hate them. It's a joke to them and many of them aren't even entirely serious. It's a lot of visibly angry dumb guys yelling or laughing about things. They don't realize how much they're actually hated. They legit think they're Nazis. They fantasize about genociding Southerners after the Civil War. A lot of MIGA tards just want White leftists to be pro America and shut up. Leftists don't want the same. They want white people dead. They want their kids to suffer. They don't realize leftists are seething with hatred and they're not these little harmless dorks. They're unhinged people. It's not a joke to them. They're savages.If you’re white and reading this, just know that these people once in power will use the state to inflict suffering on you for historical grievances that you had no part in. They’re ideologically motivated psychos who hate themselves but hate you more. When the time comes they’ll simply call you a “colonizer” and have you shot. That is the word they’re already training all their feral browns on
>>543148286Almost none. t. unironic communard.Get a bunch of White people together and you get a functional society pretty much every time.They're asking for a dystopian multicultural welfare state that makes Onions Green look idyllic.
>>543148631>Onions GreenHoly shit, didn't think that word filter was still on, jej
>>543148147The 1890's called
>>543148566>pre-emptively cope his take will be corrected before he can be told he's wronglol, lmao even
>>543148572Answer the question. If the goal of socialism is to achieve communism?
>>543148147Yikesalso socialism = communism, source: Lenin>P.S. P.P.S. democratic socialism = socialism = communism, it's just a gateway deception to try and tip the balance in favor of pro-commie representatives, and not the same thing and social democrats btwOn some level I understand the trend because capitalism and democracy are so vastly superior to any alternatives that it leaves people with no "stick" to bash it with in protest, really, except to pretend to be retarded commies.. but.. then I don't think many of these people are actually pretending, and are simply truly retarded
>>543148821>central banking is communismwait a minute
>>543148865no one said that and no its not.
>>543148762correct. you're a retarded faggot so I wouldn't expect you to respond intelligently.
>>543148985lenin said it
>>543148821btw not saying that democracy and capitalism being superior means things are fine and A-Okay or anythingjust that they're both the least stupid systems of governance and economics and it's largely thanks to them that we have all the things we do now in terms of ie human progress, medical advances, quality of life and so onthings really weren't better before democracy and capitalism and they weren't under communism in the Soviet Union or Maoist China or Cambodia etc and if you want to see how fast "socialism" can drive a country from developed democracy with high QoL to a commie shithole clown circus just look at Venezuela or Cuba>prove me wrong: protip you can't
>>543148147Fake bullshit. Communist subversion is the problem.
>>543148821>**and not the same thing as social democrats btw
>>543149061I forgot capitalism was about stripping people off the land completely, ethnically replacing them to lower wages and giving them cheap distraction technology made in the third world
>>543149022>noooooooooooo i wanted to be right>you can't tell me i'm wrong>proceed to shit on the floorwow, amazing how you meltdown all by yourself.
>>543148147No one alive has experienced capitalism. The modern world operates under Judaism. The endless capitalism vs socialism debate is how the Jews keep your eyes of the real mechanism of enslavement.
>>543149192I'm not entirely sure countries that do this aren't completely subverted by commies though.It's not a strawman or>it's not true capitalism and democracy!either.It's just that people VASTLY underestimate commies and how determined this cult is to topple our nations, and destroy us. Look at the lengths they've gone to and the mass murder they committed against even their own domestic populations, now imagine what they want to and are doing to us.So yeah, we in the democratic world are constantly being subverted and infiltrated by Moscow and Beijing, that's hardly a secret. They corrupt our lawmakers, corrupt our companies and direct vast sums of wealth and energy towards seizing control of anything they an in order to weaponize it against us.That's the biggest problem and challenge democracies have right now, is that we're naive and not serious enough about defending against threats like that. We also thought we could bring Russia and China into our fold and who knows, some day, but right now, if anything the opposite is happening, and they used out rapprochement and the so-called peace dividend of the "post-CW" period against us, even though the CW never ended and has now morphed into a World War.
>small business, free enterprise remain most popular economic concepts
>>543149702we definitely do not live in a democratic world as bankers just buy support, which was a warning against central banking since the beginning. Who would have thought such a system was easily subverted? A system that laid the groundwork for communist policy. Oh the farmers aren't happy with your policies? Strip them of culture, autonomy and community, stuff them into your indoctrination centers with claims of public health epidemics. Who's to fault the communists for simply taking it a step further and starving them to death? Like the potato famine? Well fuck them, send them to our colonies, cast them into the wind, they can deal with that problem, forcefully.
>>543148274kek. cue the nazitards that will say their socialism is different
This is what happened after WW1. Liberalism destroyed social order and left a power vacuum after it collapsed. Communism (via socialism) and fascism fought for supremacy in the rubble of the Great War. Neoliberalism managed to regain a foothold with America becoming a superpower, and then the Soviets lost the Cold War. Yet again, liberalism has destroyed social order and we are headed for another round of chaos and the emergence of communism vs fascism.
>>543150643>neoliberalism>bankers do whatever they wantism That's not a real ideology
>>543148566Hysterically retarded. Comically ignorant
>>543150750You're fooling yourself if you believe only the pre-existing labelled ideologies are the "real" ideologies. Any set of ideas or ideals can become an ideology, even if it's "bankers do whatever they want."Clearly it lacks some coherence, but claiming it's not "real" is retarded. You can create ideologies out of anything. Believing we can only utilize preexisting ideologies is why we're in the shit we're in; no one wants to mix things up or do any form of intelligent and nuanced cherrypicking when it actually applies.
>>543150750I don't think neoliberalism is legitimate either. It's even more extractive and short sighted and destructive. But it gave the illusion that the liberal utopian experiment was back on track. And it got even worse when the Soviets failed, with their failure being interpreted as proof of the inherent superiority of neoliberal policies.Nothing has been settled at all. We are still living in the same continuous experiment started at the turn of the 19th century. But sadly the stakes get higher as populations increase, weapons become more deadly, and there is less and less resources available for a recovery. Humanity can't survive any more world wars.
>>543150345>we definitely do not live in a democratic world as bankers just buy support, which was a warning against central banking since the beginning. Who would have thought such a system was easily subverted?Also consider how recent democracy is, at best ~250 years old if you go back to when it first started in earnest, and all the forces in this world who would not have it and have been waging war on it ever since, that's not just commies even but a far bigger consort of people and forces. The same goes for capitalism as well.I'm not one of those rabid [insert whatever] school of economics zealots either, there's a reason social movements sprang up to fight for workers rights, but if you actually study the origins of communism/socialism specifically, it's pretty clear a whole lot of nefarious people were involved in trying to spread it far and wide, most notably Russia.
>>543151121The "liberal experiment" hasn't been around since the civil war. The main contention was severing people's connection with bankers, and only creating what needed to be created. They created the boom and bust cycles, out of greed, they drove people off the land and into cities to be poor and destitute. Their suburbs are garbage housing wealth extraction devices, same as the cities. Nobody wants to live around ethnics, yet they import more. Everyone knows they do worse labor, yet they import more. Yet they destabilize other countries for profit and create hundreds of millions, billions of landless peasants, for profit. They did all of this to themselves. They said "fuck progress, how do I continue to milk the system." Now the entire system is regressing, from their own choices. And what do they say? Fuck you, fuck your culture, fuck your history, lay down and take it like a dog. Or better yet, sell yourself to our shitty system and profit off of the peasants. These are just faux temple priest despots with no ideology of their own. >>543151888>democracy is only 200 years oldYeah no, it's thousands of years old and was centered around ethnicity. Race communism democracy is probably the most ridiculous system ever created, and it hinges on what? Brainwashing third world imports to think they're white? lmao
>>543148147Socialism is 'national communism' since communism is a global state.Some people define socialism as communism lite, meaning under socialist countries, only major industries are owned and controlled by the state, while individuals have some 'private' property. This is different from communist countries, where people own nothing at all.However this is just for show, since both systems are totalitarian. A moderate socialist country can decide to take all your private property at any time.
>>543148147Only a fool trusts any form of central planning that doesn't relate directly to infrastructure.
>>543148765>actually socialism isn't about social ownership of the means of production, it's about getting yelled at by a drill instructor, fighting wars for Israel, and getting bennies for having half your ass blown offWhatever point you're trying to make is fucking retarded
>>543152081>Yeah no, it's thousands of years oldI meant to say modern democracy has been running and developing since about 250 years ago, my bad, saying it's 250 years old is obviously not accurate. Sure you can count its precursor parliaments and so on, but without electoral systems for people to choose their reps that's obviously not the same thing. Athens and the Greeks of course invented it, but it then went dormant for over a millenium so it just doesn't count as modern democracy and continual existence and development.>and was centered around ethnicityNot exactly or solely, if you're referring to Greek democracy, that was more class-based and sex-based than race-based, since, you know, the divide between citizens, plebs and slaves. Indeed women and foreigners not being allowed to vote at all, but let's not pretend that was its defining characteristic, it was simply to prevent subversion and sabotage by foreign powers (and misogyny however retarded it would be to apply modern norms to the ancient world..).
>>543153531>democracy only works if it's extremely limited to prevent subversion >Who would have thought such a system was easily subverted?
>>543148147Trump's legacy of being a cartoon caricature of a greedy capitalist pig will be brown socialism in America. What a world
>>543148147>tl;dr young people have observed that capitalism has failed>P.S fuck communismSaying "fuck communism" after telling everyone that you think the concept of the private ownership of capital has "failed", doesn't mean your not a communist it just means your retarded.
>>543153971>concept of the private ownershipdoesn't exist. as others have said, you just have some retarded warped version of non-ownership to pray to and mislabel as das kapital.
>>543148147not to be a party pooper over here but China is doing great
>>543152081>MUH BANKSThe ever reliable "it wasn't real capitalism" autism box of unfalsifiable dissimulation
>>543148147>country becomes browner>becomes significantly dumber
>>543148147See now how all the braindeqd faghota rally into the supposed freedom that comes with a few oligarchs owning everything.Things have been deteriorating for decades. Some kids have never seen a growing nation, never lived in a place where things are getting better, always listening on how things were better before.But noooooo, dont you dare say that things need to change!Socialism has been tried before and all of that. Sure. But curtent experiment has failed as well. Inmigration, poverty and non stop demoralization.We are already constantly spied upon, wich was one of the main things current system was supposed to have over socialism.So what now? Shut up and accept it due to the fear that any alternative is worse?
>>543148601All of this is not a warning, but the reality for most westerners. Now what?
>>543148147CAPITALISM IS THE BEST>alsosocialism always fails when it runs out of other peoples money
>>543148147Trump did it; Trump made socialism great again!
>>543148147capitalism vs socialism is a bagelian dialecticcapitialist competition and reward must always be subject to the good of the nation, that is, the good of the race. with these safe guards, both capitalism and socialism work hand-in-glove.
>>543148147the free market is the only thing that has been proven to bring people out of poverty and advance technology and the standard of living. socialism results in mass poverty and death every time it's implemented.
>>543148261This anon is Indian
>>543157618Socialism isn’t supposed to use money
