>Your body, my choice. Forever.
That's a nigger jeet mutt baby doe. Nothing of value was lost.
>Get paid to be a glorified incubator>Want to be considered more than a glorified incubatorwhy are women like this?
Each of these people are wearing an expression that is funny for different reasons
>>543149620its about power and controlwomen will go to war over the pettiest of shitjust to “not give in” and be defiant
>>543149620>pay some woman to have your child>she is literally a part of her for 9 months and is being fed all the nutrients and hormones that she produces>give a birth to her baby>baby's taken away by people whom baby has no connection to>that's OK because they paid for itwhy are subhuman evil kikes like this?
If you don't like it, don't be a surrogate
Surrogacy should be illegal
>>543150206women are the ultimate “have your cake and eat it too”creaturesmarriage is just a path for divorce money for most of them lol
>>543150256just ban women’s rightsless complicated and more positive for all involveddeport all jews and shitskins too
>>543150128Not really true, the sperm and the egg are both from the parents that paid for the surrogacy. So in essence the child was produced by the biological parents and only incubated by the surrogate.
>>543150128selfishness is the most easily commoditized product. and, yes, it's kikes perpetuating it.
>>543150485>only incubatedand that's what they fail to understand. it's not a bucket, it's a human and that incubation influences the child. so that child becomes a three party product. entirely insane to just hand over a child that you carried to birth. satanic doesn't begin to describe it.
>>543149460Post the link you faggot
>>543150485retard was confused by what glorified incubator meant but still wanted to arguewe can probably give >>543150128 the title of honorary female
>>543150817she was hired to provide a servicei dont say its satanic when my employer doesnt payme above my agreed wage in my contract
>>543150898well, that is the legal argument. i'm not disputing that, although it is just as satanic. if you consider giving birth a service comparable to what you do, then i don't know what to tell you. are you jewish?
>>543150817So does a baby sitter, imagine you have a baby sitter the took care of the child for years. That would be more influence then a surrogate. Should they get legal custody of the child?
>>543150485>eggIt’s a gay couple
>>543151233that's also a questionable solution originating from the bourgeois jew class who used to employ christian servants, something they were explicitly prohibited to do before mid 19th century. though a 'baby sitter' is now usually a young girl from the family or neighbourhood, who will be present for the odd evening. an au pair or a maid are similar concepts. and yes, the longer someone stays with a child during their formative years, the more influence they gain. that's not even about custody. if you outsource your kids maintenance that's fine with me. i've seen the results though and it's not good. lot of rich kids grow up with a maid and are send to boarding school where they develop drug habits. sometimes you'd think the parents want to make them heartless bastards. could be a strategy.
>>543150128Yes. It’s why she’s pregnant and going through. All those nutrients, were paid by the buyer. These foids deserve no rights to such a baby.
>>543151543No it's not retard, it's a supreme court case the two biological parents are male and female vs the surrogate they paid for.
>>543152043>The US Supreme Court has refused to intervene in a custody dispute involving a surrogate who refused an abortion request from the parents who hired her to have their baby.
>>543152043she wasn't hired to be their baby slave. change of terms costs. an abortion is a health risk. fekkin jews.
>>543149460my wife is having trouble conceiving. surrogacy is a potential option. not anywhere near there yet so im not worried but the legal ramifications of the surrogate who gets a decent chunk of cash also having ownership is insane. were that the case, the only option for me to reproduce would be to have a baby with a different woman which is insane when there are women who will let me temporarily rent their uterus.
>>543152226the surrogate went to texas to prevent abortion and gave birth to a defect child that she now wants to take care of. no problem for the 'biological' parents at all. big problem for the surrogate.>West has been seeking custody over the baby, which was born last month with hypoplastic left heart syndrome - a defect where the left side of the heart cannot pump enough blood to the body.
>>543152156if that's the case, the headline is wildly misleading. I'd say fuck off it's not your baby until it comes out and post birth abortion is illegal so tough shit faggots.
>>543152226The baby is already born, the dispute is about current health care after the birth, they suggested abortion, because there is a major heart defect that will likely kill the baby. fyi this isn't a white baby.
>>543149460In my opinion, the contract between the parents and surrogate should have been voided when the parents demanded an abortion.
>>543152384they asked to abort when the defect became apparent. i mean, logically i'm on their side as it benefits the greater good. morally i'm against all this, exactly because it leads to unnatural constellations of parentship. the legal hogwash of jews doesn't matter. it should not be allowed.
>>543150485Why is it legal to sell babies but illegal to sell niggers?
>>543152608oh, for that knid of money you can buy one. it's just that they're not very useful and it's illegal to whip them as an incentive.
>>543149620What >>543149872 said is true, but it's more than that. Something people often miss is that feminism becoming normalized also normalized the frameworks which support said ideology, the largest of which is centered around power, power structures, and victimhood. It cannot be understated how damaging normalization of this on the female mind has been. They have adopted it in every facet of life from work, to their relationships, to even their family life. Everything is about power and exercising it.
>>543149460a surrogate relinquishes all legal rights regarding the baby once they sign the post-birth surrogacy document. seems a simple case.
>>543154110But it wasn’t a baby? She was still pregnant with, what’s the word? A clump of cells?
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>>543149460Classic Semite convert. >Lemme kill babies in the name of Mashiach!Dont blacks vote 80% in line with Semites? Equally yoked pairing.
>>543154764Erp.
Ironic that a thread full of sexless, childless, incels concern themselves with other peoples kids.
>>543149460No one forced her to become a surrogate.
>>543154803>Ok but how does it effect you personally.Whats ironic is your sense of self.
>>543154110the 'parents' wanted to abort though. it seems the contract missed out on that option. i don't know if the surrogate now wants support for the defect child. i could understand how this would upset the hiring 'parents', but it's not an incubator that you can stop at will. legal or not. she managed to give birth. now what.
>>543155036The fact that you losers never address your personal problems is probably why no one wants kids with you.
>>543154803>flagHA. Your killer will be "cured" in a couple years and released.
>>543155214And when will your virginity be cured?
>>543155180Wat?! I thought this was the case where the kid had a defect and the adopting "parents" wanted to abort it. Now I think about it...I think they were gay men.
>>543155355>virginity be cured>like its a diseaseAll things are better "defiled" to you, huh?...all things inverted, twisted, corrupted, destroyed.No, I wont join you in your debased worldview you slave.
>>543154869no, but can you legally force her to abort, when that constitutes a considerable risk to the surrogate? why is the child defect? what is the concern if the surrogate wants to keep it anyway. and take custody. seems she doesn't want anything from anyone. can't blame her for not wanting an abortion.
>>543150128If she didn't like that arrangement, why did she agree to it?
>>543149460Aww bio mom is having regrets.YOU SOLD YOUR BABY, BITCH.FOR MONEY, BITCH.
>>543155407it is that case. screening showed a defect upon which they demanded abortion. a change of contract apparently, as the surrogate didn't want to play along. the only problem now could be that they are legally responsible for that defect child. even though the surrogate wants custody.
>>543155549How very fox and grapes of you.
>>543151010>that is the legal argumentIt's the only argument. The surrogate signed a legally binding contract while fully in control of her faculties, trying to moralfag in hindsight is retarded. You sound like a woman, so post your bitch-tits, Bob.
>>543155407Ok, it is.>However, West refused to terminate the pregnancy and instead traveled to Texas, where abortion is illegal, to give birth.
It's almost as if the concept of surrogacy itself is fundamentally immoral, inhuman, and weird.
>>543150817>it's a humanIt's a woman. And a de facto prostitute at that. Bit of an exaggeration to call that human.
>>543149460When you enter into such an insane and unnatural contract such as surrogacy where so much can go wrong, you just have to accept that you're fucked.
>>543155744nah man, i may be an autist. the contract you are referring to obviously missed a clause regarding abortion. and why would a surrogate mother voluntarily sign that bit? crazy. so it's really about giving birth to a defect child. something that could have been avoided only by a willing surrogate. the contract was about giving birth. service as been provided. unwanted, i grant you, but still as per contract. blaming the surrogate is just despicably jewish.
>>543155744You don’t automatically sign your civil rights away by signing a contract
>>543155736You are the same as the pictured woman.>>543155945>an insane and unnatural contract such as surrogacyChild trafficking is legal in all 50 states, its called family court.
>>543155736
>>543149460Surrogacy is slavery and human trafficking
>>543155945the service obviously exploits women from poor backgrounds. something that might backfire, as their nutritional past is an endogenetic factor as well. the whole thing should not exist.
>>543155736Grapes are poisonous to foxes.
>>543156033>You are the same as the pictured womanWe both know what pussy looks like?
>>543155995>missed a clause regarding abortionNot my problem, it's the fag's contract and they fucked up, the chick fucked up by signing it but either way it's binding. The fags have to pay and the surrogate surrenders the tard child to the fags, unless the fags can somehow prove the surrogate took drugs or something leading to the defect.>>543156022Surrogacy is not a civil right, it's a clear service.
>>543151233THAN a surrogate.Biologic gestation is not remotely equivalent babysitting. You demons reveal yourselves when you ask us to divorce ourselves from God's creation in deference to your legal contracts.
>>543156304Same can be said about incels and personal accountability.
>>543150128Its literally what she agreed to.
>>543155644>If she didn't like that arrangement, why did she agree to it?Tell me you're a Jew, without telling me you're a Jew.
>>543156359a contract missing a clause about something that they didn't foresee isn't binding in allowing them to demand abortion out of the blue. the contract was serviced as agreed otherwise. she gave birth, right?
>>543156579yep. she did not agree with abortion apparently.
>>543156744All it means is that regardless of the child's status the fags have to pay up, it doesn't mean the nigress gets the kid by default but she can legally adopt it after the birth.
>>543156352>pussyAre you a foid-ilk-otherkin-baby-killer too?!...or are you one of those "penis-women"?
meet the not so happy parents, omar and nasheem.
>>543157146>getting out-Christianed by HindustanisThe US is a Jewish colony LARPing a Christian nation.
>>543157052of course they have to pay. it's their part of contract. the case is a bit more complex and both stances understandable. what isn't is their demand for abortion, something so fucked up, i lack words to describe my disgust. well, look at them. i'll see if i can find a pic of the surrogate.
>>543152608Based wrinklebrain
and here she is, miss west, the surrogate. don't we have more important issues to talk about.
>>543150817All of this is irrelevant. Women need to be stripped of all political power, period.
>>543157465oh, i agree. lol. 100%
>>543149460But that's the norm almost everywhere, whoever is the legal guardian gets to have a say on children healthcare.You give your baby for adoption? You are no longer the legal guardian thus have no say.You get your legal guardian status revoked due unfitness for whatever reason? No longer have a say either.This should have been outright dismissed on preliminary hearings or even not filed at all.
>>543157062Nah I just stuck my penis inside several of them.If you acted less like a sperg and went outside it may happen for you too.
>>543157465though political power means being a puppet for ze jews. women make for better puppets. corruption doesn't care. and voting doesn't help.
>>543157452>more importantYeah, neither women or faggots should have rights.
>>543157708the surrogate's argument is: they abandoned contract AND the child the moment they demanded abortion. so in her view her giving birth happened outside of contract and she now deserves to at least know about the child. who is as good as dead anyway. she has a point. i don't know if money is an issue here. the whole commotion shows what inhumane thinking has been normalised by the kikes and their shitskin counterparts.
>>543158187we've established that. now how do we go about it. should i vote afd? kek.
>>543150128agreed it's very anti human but she did sign up for it no one forced her into it
>>543149460The baby's body is not your body.Why is that so hard for foids to understand?
>>543158330Thing is, if she gave the baby for adoption the contract no longer matters, whoever has legal guardianship gets to decide what healthcare the baby receives, no matter what the contract says.That's why this thing shouldn't have been accepted in the first place, if she wants a say then she has to sue for legal guardianship first (but then I suppose she has to give the money back).
>>543150128>rent your property (womb) out to someone>get angry that you have no right to dictate the care of the renter's childNot your child. Not your choice. Shrimple as.Why are foids so fucking retarded?
>>543158464that isn't what this is about. she agreed and did as agreed. this is about the other contract party trying to cancel a process that couldn't be canceled without the surrogate complying. why would anyone agree to an abortion, when they're trying to make a buck by creating life. the defect child, who's to blame for that? interesting chalk circle case anyways.
>>543152608The Courts and For Profit Prison System sell people (black, white, etc.) all the time. Slavery is legal in America. It never stopped being legal.
>>543158904that baby is going to hospice care, where it won't last long with this kind of defect. case closed. most unfortunate development for everyone involved. the elephant in the room is: can a contract demand abortion? is surrogate pregnancy a thing we should let jews do as a business?
>>543149460>surrogate It literally is not her baby.
>>543149460why though?
>>543159279>the elephant in the room is: can a contract demand abortion?If the clauses in the contract allow it sure, if not then nope.>Is surrogate pregnancy a thing we should let jews do as a business?Hells no, I'm against surrogate mother's, especially when there are kids without parents on orphanages and I believe this case can show all parties the dangers of such endeavours.
>>543159525If such contracts were enforceable in America, the "male abortion" would become a thing. They don't want that because it would give men true equality and would put an end to the welfare queen scams.
>>543149460Surrogacy should be illegal. I volunteer to make her pregnant with a new baby though.
>>543159525>If the clauses in the contract allow it surenot if it is illegal. abortion is illegal in texas. and i doubt the law would help you enforce this idea if it were legal. imagine the rape that would have to involve.
>>543149872>just to “not give in” and be defiantgood
>>543163333But if it's legal where it was signed then it should be allowed, if the surrogate mother flees to Texas to avoid her obligations then the other party should be able to sue her for breach of contract.If I have a pencil factory, someone signs a contract where it's allowed to change the size of the pencils, they decide midway to act on that clause and I switch my factory to a place where it's illegal to manufacture pencils of said size to avoid making extra long pencils I would be breaching the contract and I should be liable in court for damages, after all I did accept the contract and all it's clauses.McKenna willingly signed a contract estipulating the other party could demand an abortion in case of serious health problems, she accepted it and then fled when she had to comply with it.
>>543164566>flees to Texasthat's another thing a contract cannot legally rule out. she happened to be in texas. maybe someone smart instructed her. maybe she really didn't want an abortion. i don't think it matters if abortion is legal when you can't force someone to have one. it would require a massive amount of good will and have to be paid accordingly. which these two cheap fuckers surely did not offer.
>>543164566>willingly signed a contract estipulating the other party could demand an abortion in case of serious health problemsoh. this is news to me and wasn't mentioned in what i read about it so far. if it's the case, well. how low can we go?
>>543164566i still think they should have killed the darn defect themselves right after birth, instead of risking another life for the privilege of clean hands. how can this perversion be part of a contract? any murrikan law knowers?
>>543155995You have a soul Anon, some of these retards wouldn't mind a deal with the devil as long as he paid in accordance to the contract, there is nothing more holy than a piece of paper to these people whether it be the mark of the beast dollar or some lawyers faggotry scribbled on to a contract. Thoroughly Judaized as a society Americans follow the letter of the law, the spirit has been relegated to what they account as emotional hysterics rather than common sense sensibility.
>>543165365and sorry for the ramblings, but that contract clause isn't mentioned anywhere. the defect was noticed at week 20 of pregnancy btw. an abortion at that stage is only possible via giving birth to a previously killed child. they kill the child to save it the trouble they say. and at 20 weeks it is a functional organism. just sayin.
