They can't even hold up their arguments at the slightest inquiries from an inquiring mind
>>543150322>inquiring mind>look inside>retard
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>>543150322>engage in rhetoricYou mean "discourse"
>>543150322I just don't support an ideology that hates white people, I don't care about the inconsistency of right wingism, I'm just never going to support left wingism.
leftoids love niggers, shitskins, and sodomytherefor right-wingers are inherently correct. about everything.
>>543150322But what about left wingers? You can't engage with them
>>543150322Ok. Inquire?What do you want to debate?
>>543150322Whataboutism is a perfectly valid argument, though. You can't argue from a point of hypocrisy. You can't compel others to live by standards you yourself refuse to follow.
Nobody wants your AIDS
>>543150322Leftists just pretend to not understand, thus making discourse impossible.
>>543150322denying reality doesn't change it
>>543152013Why are jEWS?
>>543150322>Its impossible to engage in rhetoric with a right winger
>>543150322Name a single point you can't argue with right-wingers about that doesn't involve Trump.
>>543150322Yeah they are incapable of forming an argument that does not include a cock and an insult regarding the other flag
>>543154988Wrong picture
>>543150322Leftist cunts (you) use whataboutisms all the time Neck yourself tranny faggot
>>543154988
>>543150322>Its impossible to engage in rhetoricbecause rhetoric is gay, a purely manipulative method disconnected from the quality of your arguments. if you start trying to beat around the bush instead of state things clearly I'll just call you a nigger and disregard you.
>>543150620It's super easy, just go to reddit. You'll lose and get downvoted to hell because your worldview is retarded, but you can have a debate.
>>543150322>right wingerIt's not a right winger thing it's an everyone thing. Everyone including the right cannot argue for or against a topic their only response is "whatabout" or "no u" because your average 4channer is terrified to take a position because it can be challenged so they just deflect and it's mainly 3rd world Europeans who do this
>>543152117>You can't argue from a point of hypocrisyQuestion. My argument is murder is bad. I go out and murder someone who was 100% completely innocent and did not deserve to die. You do the same to another person who was completely innocent and did not deserve to die. I tell you that murder is wrong. I am a hypocrite. Is murder still wrong?He won't answer this and will dodge they always do.
>>543155930*when I say wrong I mean in that specific instance between you murdering the 100% innocent person which I thought was obvious but you kikes always try semantics
>>543155683>argue a different point>your karma gets destroyed meaning you are throttled to one response every 20 minutes while 40 people are calling you a racist chud>mod eventually bans you for wrong thinkyea whatever you say kike
>>543155591qed closet faggot
>>543155930You haven't established that murder is wrong. You said, "my argument is murder is bad." That's not an argument, it's a position. An argument is the basis for the justification of the position. You should make an argument first before you insist people engage with it.
>>543156263>that flagKek Germany is the capitol of faggot shit in Europe
>>543156323>You haven't established that murder is wrong.I have. The people killed were 100% innocent as I said.
>>543155683>downvoted to hell because your worldview is retardedHere, again, you have missed the mark. Your position is that a conversation or debate on Reddit is the arbiter of truth. What makes you think there is any validity to the arguments on Reddit which survive or thrive?
>>543156399The fact that someone is "innocent" (whatever that means), does not mean that murder is wrong. You say it's bad to murder, but you haven't established that.Also, I'm assuming you're talking about abortion, right? The murder of 100% innocent people? You think that's bad, right?
Kek What is a woman?
>>543156679>whatever that means>Innocent means not guilty of a crime, free from sin or moral wrong, or not intended to cause harm
>>543150322There are no inquiring minds on the left. Not even any minds, really. Just vapid talking points they learned online because someone showed vague acceptance for their deviant sexual proclivities. Basically, the left is envy and buttsex.
>>543156767>free from sin or moral wrongThere are no people free from moral wrong but whatever, I'll give you the innocent part...why is murder wrong?
>>543156924Yea they are I said they are 100% wrong. By the way I am still winning this argument because you are arguing the actual argument and not if hypocrisy matters which was my point. Either way I win.
>>543156990>I said they are 100% wrongWHY is murder wrong? That's what I'm getting at, you aren't proving to me that murder is wrong, you're just saying it.
>>543156990>Either way I win.The point of an argument/debate/discussion isn't to "win", it's to prove your position correct. You took the position that murder is wrong. Can you show me how or why you believe that?
>>543157119because they are innocent. We went through this already.>>543157209My specific point in making that argument was that hypocrisy does not matter when arguing right and wrong. So you and me can argue for 2 hours straight all the semantics you want, you aren't arguing against my point about hypocrisy which was my main point so I win but I am happy to waste your time as a victory lap no problem.
>>543156336lol are you trying to prove my point by force?Dicks and flags that's all that is in your head
>>543157384>WE DON'T DO STRAIGHT SEX IN GERMANYfucking retard
>>543157368>because they are innocentSo what? Why is killing an innocent person wrong?You're right that hypocrisy doesn't matter in terms of right and wrong, but lying does. How would you determine if someone is being hypocritical or just lying? "Everyone should buy this shitcoin..." **promptly sells the shit coin**
>>543150322the typical migger cant even follow a basic hypothetical. its awful talking with them. its like talking to a literal nigger.
>>543150322you lost, tranny
>>543157209that anon is winning and you are losing no matter how much you cope and seethein fact the more you do it the harder he is winningyou cant lose if you dont accept defeatyou are a retard but thanks for playing i guess
>>543157529see>>543156767>>543157529>You're right that hypocrisy doesn't mattercool you agree with me discussion over
>>543157630>you are a retardI don't hear an argument from you or from him. I'm still waiting on one.
>>543157725>cool you agree with me discussion overSure. I still don't understand why you think murder is bad, though.
>>543152303The tweet itself is fucking retarded.It requires the left wingers to be confused and thinking the Right wingers are so smart that they have a meaning deeper than what they're talking about.In reality, you Miggers spout low IQ nonsense because it really is low IQ.
>>543157725>discussion overAlso, you didn't address the point that people can't really determine what is hypocrisy and what is a lie, and if that can't be determined, then it certainly counts.
>>543157485I bet you think more about trannys than actual transsexuals
>>543157825>>543157922>>You're right that hypocrisy doesn't matterWe are good anon
>>543157828>Miggers spout low IQ nonsenseSuch as?
>>543150322>what about racism that happened in the pastProjection.
>>543157733youre not going to hear anything on /pol/ since only text can be posted>>543157825>>543157922continuously double or triple posting just shows how desperate you arethe discussion has long been solved and youre just trying to keep goingthat anon must have completely mindbroken you
>>543158103>continuously double or triple posting just shows how desperate you areThe guy asked for a conversation. That typically requires some back and forth, wouldn't you say? Are you a judge of this or something? Who put you in charge of the internet?
>>543158103https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8MZBUoQt68
any leetbros know what this means?
>>543158206its just funny to see you flailing after getting brutally owned by that other anonim not in charge but as a spectator of it i want you (the troon) to know that you indeed lost the argument and the other guy won
>>543150322RIGHT WING BASICShttp://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1pi20Rr9_BxBbMIfcZUTTGslfZTifEiCm....read moar be moar right winger woo hoo kek
>>543158362>brutally ownedI don't see how this happened. He never even made a point. He just repeated what I said and took a victory lap. Not very intellectual.
>>543158296that's the default login information for an ilo (integrated lights out) management card for an hp server. pretty much worthless on it's own.
>>543150322Cool projection.
>>543158296if you read those numbers out loud the fbi will knock on your door
>>543158518>took a victory lapholy shit lmao there it is so you admit that he wonhe cant take a victory lap if he didnt winyou admit it yourself and youre still seething>Not very intellectual>t. pic relatedcue the double reply in 3... 2... 1...
>>543158362It's funny how he had no idea he was making my argument and when I pointed it out he hastily tried to put another argument together just because I annoyed him and it still agreed with me
>>543158732forgot pic
>>543158732His retarded ego made him so easy to beat
>>543157828Miggers are tranny. Doesn't change the factual reality of the image's claim.
>>543158732>cant take a victory lap if he didnt winSure he can. It's called being delusional. Lots of people celebrate victories that only happened in their own mind.
>>543150322Even if they do engage in whataboutism (it very often is not, just mislabeled) pointing out fallacies is not a counterargument. It actually is a fallacy itself, the fallacy fallacy
>>543158763>he had no idea he was making my argumentI thought you were arguing that murder was bad. I guess you weren't. If you were arguing that hypocrisy doesn't make an argument less true, yes, I agree with that. I never disagreed with it.
>>You're right that hypocrisy doesn't matter>whoops I fucked up and actually agreed with him I am so smartkek
>>543158934>You're right that hypocrisy doesn't matterkek thanks for agreeing with me and making my point retard
>>543150322>Right wingers said allowing gay "marriage" would open the door to all sorts of absurdities...>People now advocate cutting the dicks off of kids as a serious political issue.>Right wingers said we shouldn't import so many brown people because our systems cannot support them...>Systems are collapsing due to fraud and abuse from imported brown people.I imagine it is difficult to argue with people that are always correct.
>>543150322this is truth the right always brings up biden or obama for every discussion regardless of the subject matters
>>543158972>thanks for agreeing with meOh, I see, you were arguing with that Finnish person. Yes, I agree with you. You certainly can argue from a point of hypocrisy.
>>543158859>It's called being delusional. Lots of people celebrate victories that only happened in their own mind.>>543158518>>brutally owned>I don't see how this happened.uh huh>>543158936this fucking guy lmaoim done with him tho its getting boring
>>543159207>was so annoyed with what I said argues the logic but not the point of the argument>point that out>realizes he fucks up>hastily tries to put another argument together>You're right that hypocrisy doesn't matter>realizes he fucked up again>here we areThis is a perfect back and forth to show how low IQ whataboutism abusing niggers are on this site lol>>543159283I enjoy bringing up the blood pressure of low IQ niggers like him
>>543159109>the right always brings up biden or obamaAnd the Left always brings up Hitler. Both sides argue from Whataboutism all the time, it's not a unique quality of the Right.
>>543157828Despite what you may believe, it is generally considered to be true that people with high IQs can understand people with lower IQs better than the opposite. If you lean more toward 'it was difficult to understand my conversation partner' rather than 'it was simple to understand my conversation partner', chances are you are the person at the bottom of the hill.
>>543150322It's because the right isn't really trying to enlighten themselves, they aren't neutral in the information they're receiving or giving. Sure, that's anyone, but rightwingers especially come with a need to preserve their ideas. It's why they are more tribal minded and more faith forward when it comes to religion. They aren't here to debate and change with what makes more sense or is more ethical or beneficial to everyone, rightwing minds aim to protect themselves and their tribe through filtering ideas and beliefs. The left, being more collective and looking to be more ethical, takes in information typically more neutrally and changes with it.That's not to say that lefties and liberals don't isolate or push against outside info they don't like, it's just not as fundamental as it is to insular rightwing culture.
>>543159324>low IQ niggersIf you're on the Left, isn't that the party of literal low IQ niggers?
im surprised a migger hasn't posted the image yet
>>543159492>low IQ niggersYes like the one that fucked up and said:>You're right that hypocrisy doesn't matterkek
>>543159468>takes in information typically more neutrally and changes with it.What evidence do you have for this? Can you give me some examples of the Left taking in more information and changing their position to something more Right? Or are they only able to become more and more Left wing?
>>543159425That's why the tweet gets so much mileage on the right. The right believes debate isn't necessary, they are naturally better and more deserving and their opposition is naturally, fundamentally inferior. You wouldn't be rightwing without that, so you're ready to play mind reader as to why someone would be more curious than you.
>>543159736>The right believes debate isn't necessaryWhy is it, then, that all the debate online takes place within the Right? It infuriates the Left to such a degree that the "top debater" was shot in the neck because Leftists can't actually have a debate.
>>543159635Sure, you know the "the left left me" meme? It's about the 90s centrist libs accepting Muslims, trannies, gays, etc quickly instead of holding on to traditional values like the right.
>>543159492>>543159635>muh left wing muh right wing>fyi i am le distinguished high IQ gentletroonjesus christ man you are peak goycattle
>>543159834just FYI you are arguing with someone who will not argue in good faith and keep changing the argument to suit him but good luck all the same
>>543159834>accepting Muslims, trannies, gays, etc quicklyAnd you think this acceptance is a good thing? Isn't it sometimes the case that changing your values with the wind is a bad thing? And I would also argue the Right changed enormously between Bush II and Trump. Trump overturned the entire GOP apparatus in 2015. The DNC never gets overturned, as they solidify their structure through super delegates and have much more control over their voter base than the GOP does.
>>543159833Charlie Kirk and people like him aren't debating to learn, he was trained to support the ideas of his billionaire donors. He didn't deserve to die, but the guy who killed him at best didn't like him as an anti-trans propaganda machine, the government's top "political operative" as per JD Vance.
>>543160015I'm not saying it's good, I'm just answering your question.
>>543160106>debating to learnYou are just making excuses to disregard the robust debate on the right, and handwave away the complete absence of debate on the left.
>>543160106What about all the other discourse? It's across the board online as far as Right wing people just destroying Left wing people. There's only a few Left wingers who even bother to show up anymore because it's often so damaging to their brand to have the discussion. Seems to me like Lefties yell and scream while Righties sit calmly and discuss things with civility.
>>543152117>>543155930Realistically speaking, most of the time I see "whataboutism" invoked its making the point moreso of unequal treatment when equal treatment is what the person pointing out the hypocrisy is asking for. Its supposed to be used for something unrelated to whatever you're arguing about.For example, Russia being uniquely villainized over invading another country without good reason, while America got away with invading Iraq for equally dubious reasons. Not going to get into whether either was right or wrong in reality but just think of it as two illegal wars or whatever. Its fair to point out the hypocrisy there with the implication that the original person felt their position was justified but is now acting like you're in the wrong for doing a similar act. One side is punished and the other still gets to be viewed as a nation that isn't evil. Its either you're both wrong or neither of you are in most instances. The original "whataboutism" would be more like pointing out that America is ruled by pedos in response to someone saying the Ukraine invasion was bad. Its something unrelated entirely other than just a vague "you as a nation/person are bad but claim you aren't" whereas the other definition is "this act of yours was bad even though I did basically same thing, but when I did it it isn't bad"
>>543160169>I'm just answering your questionFair enough. I would only counter by saying, a lot of the Trump revolution (myself included) was Democrats screwing over Bernie and installing Clinton while Trump dismantled the GOP on the debate stage one by one by stealing the DNC talking p[oints of the 1980s, which they had abandoned. This was before the Muslim/tranny stuff, for the most part, and was more about immigration and trade (belated effects of NAFTA).
>>543160429Every whataboutism on this godawful site is used to argue assumed hypocrisy not actual hypocrisy. Example:Me: "Biden was a senile old fuck"Anon most likely European: "OH BUT TRUMP WASN'T? HYPOCRITE!"See what happened here? I never said my stance on Trump ever. I don't like both Biden and Trump. But this other anon most likely European just assumed I must like Trump and called out fake non existent hypocrisy. This is no joke 99% of the whataboutisms and no u's used on this site. Also even if I liked Trump (I don't) what I said about Biden is still true. Hypocrisy has no impact on truth. 1+1 is still 2 even if I am a hyporcrite. This is mainly a thing because most Europeans are brown and how low IQs and can't argue logically.
>>543160774Yes this site has gone to shit and this is the level of discourse we're at
>>543160252There is debate on the left, it's not as well funded because it turns out billionaires don't like things like higher taxes, regulations, unions, better wages, etc. The right is easier to fund, Charlie Kirk and TPUSA is a great example of this.
>>543161097>There is debate on the leftWhat debate is there on the Left? Is it OK to kill a baby at 9 months, or can you kill them whenever you're on your period? How long does a man have to be on hormones for them to play in the WNBA?Are these the kind of discussions you're having?
>>543161033Rangeban Europeans. I am serious. This board will be slow as shit but the constant nigger tier arguments and coom bait threads will all end overnight.
>>543161097It's not well funded because lefties don't fund it... and actually just the opposite. They have a culture that says it is 'platforming' the rightwinger if you talk to them. In other words, it's a bad thing if you talk to them, since it exposes more people to the no no ideas. That's why they all supported charlie kirk's death too. Because he was a le fascist spreading the bad ideas.
>>543150531But miggers love and worship Jews and hate Whites
>>543156679>>543156323
>>543161258>things like higher taxes, regulations, unions, better wages, etcLibs, lefties, socialists, commies etc.I get that the diversity of thought on the right has more degrees of theocracy debated or if women should be allowed to vote. To the left, less is debated because they're more libertarian in things you're listing.
>>543150322>right wingersDoes anyone have that meme of the guy with a missing brain and there are arrows going left and right, symbolizing this stupid false dichotomy that noone can even articulate what >right wingerseven means? I've been looking for it. Someone used to post it on here and I never saved it.
>>543161345Charlie Kirk deserved to die for getting in bed with Israel. Israel killed him when he decided to stop playing ball, but he never should have allied with the Synagogue of Satan to begin with.
>>543161326Well I think most of them still have good posts like the German in this thread. You could rangeban Poland without losing anything of value though.
>>543161492I gotcha anon
>>543157828>The tweet itself is fucking retarded.He says, while pretending not to understand it.
>>543161535Ahhh there it is! Thank you anon! I've been looking all over for that haha
>>543161506See they say things like this as a distraction tactic, actually closely related to this tactic >>543152303It's basically anything you try to say, they will just attempt to muddle the issue either by redefining the words you used, or claiming ignorance, or talking about something else. Leftoid are doing everything they can to stifle actual communication of ideas because they know they are in the wrong
>>543161449>things like higher taxes, regulations, unions, better wages, etcLet me know when the Left ever argues for lower taxes and fewer regulations. They always come down on the side of more, more, more.Let me know when the Left ever says one of their policy changes should be eliminated or walked back instead of pumping more and more into it.Great example, Mississippi has greatly improved their education and homelessness problems over the last 5-10 years. Why don't we hear the Left amplifying these advancements?
>>543161345>no no ideas>somehow gets the most funding and platforming from billionaires and the governmentWhy would billionaires find lefties debating raising their taxes vs lowering the estate tax threshold to $5 million?
>>543161734I'm talking about lefties. Lefties at all don't fund debate because they are, as a generality against it.
>>543161949They do, it's just smaller funds for smaller debates. You're asking ones that are big and visible, ones that have the spectacle of TPUSA.
>>543161734>Why would billionaires find lefties debating raising their taxes vs lowering the estate tax threshold to $5 million?Why would Billionaires care about the difference between $5M and $15M when they have far more money than that? It's a distraction.
>>543162328Thank you for acknowledging the high threshold for estate tax. Then they can debate trust and finance regulations that would hurt billionaires. It's why TPUSA is about spiritual warfare and trannies.
>>543162220You have a lot of media personalities on the left, none of them debate with right wingers. Their audiences do not encourage them to debate, and do not attempt to fund any such debates. it's a losing proposition on the left, that's why they don't exist at that level. This thing like charlie kirk would not exist but for some billionaire is a joke. There are tons of examples on the right of this kind of person, and they are grown organically as a response to the leftwing media censorship apparatus.
>>543162740They do though, they go on surrounded, they still have their debate bro youtube channels, they appear on smaller venues. You're really asking for examples of lefties Charlie Kirks as if Kirk and TPUSA aren't propped up by billionaires. Kirks exist outside of billionaire funding, but they don't get the production and attention they do because they don't have the massive funding he did.
>>543162606>high thresholdThe Wall St Journal said that the average 50 year old is worth over $1M today. $5 and $15M are not high thresholds, if you are targeting actually rich people. Only if you are targeting the upper-middle class, which is always what happens, because you can never actually get the money from the Billionaires.
>>543162972You keep trying to tell me what i'm asking for while ignoring half of what I said
>>543163147I just looked it up. .38% of the US adult population has a net worth of over $10 million.
People can't debate for shit because whatever position they're entrenched in becomes their whole identity. Try to ask a random leftist to give the best arguments for capitalism or a random zionist to list downsides of killing muslims.
>>543150322>Engaging in rhetoricand you wonder why
>whataboutism>no true scotsman>poisoning the wellwhat would online debate look like if these were banned?
>>543150322What rhetoric? If you elaborate that you don't want White people to go extinct they turn into feral animals. They've been taught to be self loathing since birth.
>>543150322>trying to engage in good faith with braindead uneducated rightoidsyour mistake in the first place, even the smartest of rightoids (the few that exist) are just scammers, opportunist, grifter and snake oil sales men with no real belief or ideals and just trying to maximize their gains and benefits
>>543153565Almost anything involving scienceLarge parts of historyEconomicsTransportation
>>543150322>leftist argues in bad faith>call him a tranny faggot>RigHt WiNgErS cAn'T HoLd uP ThEiR aRgUmEntS
>>543153565the scientifically proven fact of men made climate change
>>543153565them being just reactionary's, just reacting to new shit that was not the norm during their childhood, instead to actually having robust beliefs that come from alternative postulates and fundementals then liberals and leftisttheir worship of the rich and powerful, and le muh free markettheir lack of any ideals or empathy toward others and their selfish self centred naturetheir ignorance about history (and i mean in a learned objective way and not surface level biased way)all the schizo bullshit and baseless conspiracy's they believe which only poison the well when it comes to real provebal conspiracy's such as Jewish powertheir crying about migrations while not addressing or understanding the real economical (capitalism and debt based econmy need of growth and cheap labor) and geopolitical (growth, attracting talent and to stay competitive) reasons of why their own rich elites keep deliberately importing masses of people even when the politicians who scape goat the powerless migrants for populist bullshit are in powerhow they constantly attack and shit on powerless minority's like black or women while ignoring their own sins and not understanding that what ever problems you are seeing attacking people with 0 power is not the solution, actually revolting and killing the elites who rule over them and taking power and changing things is (which require sacrifices and strugle and not only attacking powerless people online)and many many other examples, that would take to long to recount
Are you talking about a actual right winger or a migger
>>543150322>Trump's a pedophile>Bbbbut but Biden and Clinton!!>Cool throw them in prison too.It's like they can't grasp that people on the left don't worship politicians like gods, and in fact outright hate most of them. It leads to a lot of dead end conversations.
>>543161535>typosmake a better meme, faggot
>>543157828>conflates MIGAkikes with the right wingkike, please, we've all had very long days for going on 7 months now
>>543166236No they just disagree with you, you fat nigger. Pick any one of these and make your argument for your case and it will be easily dismantled by 10 different people. Problem is you don't want to make any argument for your case, you just want it accepted as fact, despite it being a stupid and wrong opinion.
>>543166722>It's like they can't grasp that people on the left don't worship politicians like godsThey all do, though, and that includes MIGAkikes (left wing faggots).You're all retarded lefties, and you all worship your politicians du jour. >I'm a democrat, and I think we should cut off the peepees of children and poison them with Israeli drugs to make them look more like the sex they aren't.>I'm a republican, and I think we should wait until the children turn 18, then it's okay.That last one isn't even the cutoff point anymore. Trump's "SAVE AMERICA" act said in March>you can't troon children out anymore>*without the written consent of both parentsMeaning you can troon children out if the parents want to troon out their kids. There is no meaningful difference whatsoever between a liberal and a conservative. They're both so far left that Karl Marx is dry heaving at the thought of their faggotry.MIGA is left wing. The kikes have won, and just keep their slaves fighting over the most worthless minutiae, like whether this T should be crossed or that I should have shoes and a hat.
>>543164937Can you name a specific point from any of these topics?
