https://x.com/HormuzLetter/status/2102808687744090222
Exporting energy resources should be a capitol offense.
Remember when the miggers said closing the strait was all part of Trump's 9D chess plan because America is an oil exporter and "we" are making lots of money?Ooops...
>>543157143And what do Jews think about this?
>>543157143>fuel for americans>how antisemitickek
I never thought id see the day USA became a south american banana republic. what a time to be alive.
>>543157143He can't do that.
>>543157143Has this pajeet account been right about anything?
Refineries will just hold stock kek
>>543157353No, we said>hahaha let the rest of the world freeze. Hopefully they all die.
>>543157422He can. The question is what level of blowback is the US going to get for this and how will it further impact global markets.
>>543157143lmao Europe is finished >>543157422He can, obama slipped it into the 2015 omnibus
US is collapsing father than I thought. Expect rationing at the pump as US continues to decline. >>543157457>Refineries will just hold stock kekIt's just more election fuckery that Trump always does. They know he won't do shit.
>>543157417Is that what banana republics do? Refuse to export fuel and keep it for their own citizens?
>>543157143MAGAsisters...not like this...
>>543157143If he has to ban diesel exports, it tells you the scale of the problem his Zionist war for Israel has caused. What a fucking terrible President, he shouldn't even need to do this lol
>>543157438No it's a shitty indog meme account that shouldn't be posted here under any seriousness.
>>543157143So the self-described "party of the free market" doesn't believe in free markets anymore? They're now using big government to centrally control the diesel industry?
>>543157490>The question is what level of blowback is the US going to get for this and how will it further impact global markets.US will already strain a very volatile situation economically worldwide if they do. I know he's retarded, but is he prepared to start a great depression?
>>543157516Expect a massive drop in diesel prices as major industries suddenly stop using it.
>>543157527well, us and Israel
Aryan Iran won against US empire.
>>543157490>The question is what level of blowback is the US going to get for this and how will it further impact global markets.Billions in taxpayer funded compensations to pay out and Total collapse in Jewkraine + worse relations with Europe and US bond sell offs.
>>543157143Oil execs on suicide watch
>>543157566I'm sure he had the smartest people in the room advising him on this, just like when he decided to start a war with Iran.
>>543157562>So the self-described "party of the free market" doesn't believe in free markets anymore? They're now using big government to centrally control the diesel industry?party of free market = party of enriching myself and my cronniesthat's it. government exists to do one thing: enrich trump, his family and his cronnies. anything that helps people doesn't get done.
>>543157562>the gop are libertarians>trump is a libertarian Where do you guys get this from?>trump does X>lefties giggle like it's bad and pat themselves on the backWe shouldn't be exporting energy. We shouldn't be exporting food. Certainly not to our enemies.
>>543157143This can only work if Trump also forces fixed diesel price for US market, otherwise it will only make diesel even more expensive. Stop exports > global price goes up > US price goes up.
>Trump considers an america first policy for once>NOOOOO NO NO NO YOU CAN'T DO THAT!!!Man fuck those executives. Impeach trump and vance now.
>>543157636>Total collapse in Jewkraine + worse relations with Europe and US bond sell offs.Based. How soon can we get all of this done?
I thought closing the Strait was a good thing because everyone would buy our oil? Lmfao
Reminder that this diesel they're exporting is already paid for long in advance, so this midterm election ploy will end up costing these oil companies a shit ton in civil damages (like a crazy fucking amount) that will end up getting passed onto the American market.
>>543157689>trump is a libertarianWhy did the Libertarian Party invite him to speak? I understand it doesn't speak for all libertarians, but it's clear Trump's economic policies are in line with the same economic laissez-faire economics that people like Milton Friedman promoted.
>>543157143Holden Bloodfeast, the Iowa farmer, deserves to feel the consequences of hid vote good and hard. And American international credibility is not worth Holden Bloodfeast's heavily subsidized farmer.Total Migger Bankruptcy.
>>543157741>Trump considers an america first policy for onceAmerica first would be dropping sanctions and war on Iran and giving them a nuke.
>>543157578cute
>>543157616based
>>543157831Canada should stop exporting diesel to US.
Will they just export more crude instead? I understand it's a refining capacity problem on a certain level, but will the companies just send the crude out to be refined somewhere else instead?And how much domestically-produced crude does the US refine into diesel? You get convoluted and contradictory responses on this question. Is the diesel we refine mostly done with imported crude (like from Canada)?
>>543157868Trump isn’t a libertarian, libertarians don’t support mass tariffs that impedes free trade, libertarians also generally dislike government intervention in the markets like subsidizing the agricultural industry or owning stake in Intel
lmao great job giving companies confidenceif this is true and trump keeps it up, then maybe investors will be more amenable to investing more restrictive countries like china, since america has also fallen down that pathhopefully they instead go to us euros
>>543158024>Trump isn’t a libertarian,I never said he was. I am saying he's doing the same cuckservative shit any Republican does. It's just weird because the liberatairn movement largely died out when Trump came in. I wonder how many libertarians became maga.
>>543157143>inclined>preparedtaco incoming
>>543157457>>543157516>hold stockThat's not how the oil industry systems works. There's barely enough storage to handle extremely minor fluctuations in throughput. Oil moves almost non-stop from pumping to refining to delivery to consumption, like 99%."Storage" is a meme. If oil exports are stopped, that actually will almost immediately lower prices at the pump as supply is rerouted. All this does is cut off Europe, who yes is fucked, but they were paying a premium to TAKE OUR OIL for themselves. The executives are whining about losing a fat payday, and that's it.
>>543157566> US will already strain a very volatile situation economically worldwide if they do. I know he's retarded, but is he prepared to start a great depression?You globohomo jew leftist don’t understand yet that the world economy is being reset, do you? Why are you concern trolling for economies in foreign nations? This is the issue with you weirdos, you simply never care how Americans are doing, not in your lives and not in your policies.
>>543157143I never took economics but if I understand it> ban export> diesel goes down > any good or service related or that uses diesel becomes more affordable > jews complain > ban happens and things get more expensive > jews?
strait sisters…
>>543158143>you simply never care how Americans are doingI'm sorry, America is separated from global economy? Did you know the great depression started in 1927 in London and not 1929 like we were told? Because UK was the global economic power at the time and not US so the ramifications were felt there first before us. Are you acting like America is an island economically from the rest of the world?
>>543157143Nixon also suspended gold for dollars and wages and prices for 90 days>>543157353Yes ZOG calls ethane oil and has tranny names for water and ai dont dead name her
Plus the commie faggots running the EU have price caps on fuel that will cause shortages
>>543158331>that will cause shortagesyou know what won't cause this? a war with Iran.
>>543157527Yes. This is 100% nigger behavior.Even Bulgaria can afford to increase production and export in EU. And we don't have own oil, we just refine it.
>>543158166>ban Diesel exports>they start exporting oil cheaply >Diesel plants are forced to lower output>US Diesel gets more expensive
>>543158100I'm sure he's going to taco over the very legitimate source of the Hormuz Letter lmao
When did /pol/ become infested with liberal faggot shit for brains?
>>543158166more like>Ban export >prices drop>less demand since no export >prices increase again since production goes down
>>543157506>lmao Europe is finishedEurope can put a ban on European shipping firms servicing the US in retaliation. That means a full stop on 85% of the US's import/export capacity, because that's how much of it is handled by European shipping firms like Maersk.
>>543157143Wait, I thought he said the straight was open..
>>543158142OP is specifically talking about diesel export ban, not oil.
The funniest thing is after all this bullshit by 2032, retards here in America will probably vote republican again
>>543158503>Wait, I thought he said the straight was open..It's open till after the midterm elections....
>>543157143>try to reduce the trade deficit>by killing one of the most profitable exports for the US economyle-may-oh>>543158166it's more like: >war already happening that creates volatility in the market>ukraine attacks russian refineries, reducing supply and total volume of available petroleum>US starts an extremely retarded middle east war>iran closes off major logistics artery, reducing supply and any petroleum going through is assessed a 20% toll>yemen closes off other major logistics artery, reducing supply>saudi arabian infrastructure destroyed, significantly reducing supply and total volume>drawdown on the SPR to try to float lower prices until the situation can be handled>near the end of the SPR's effective supply, any more will destroy the actual infrastructure, so there's an effectively an end date for your price suppression>basically in around a month, real price discovery will happen for petroleum products. This would destroy the global economy and probably throw the US into a depression>as a final attempt to stop the bleed, you kill US oil exports to try to increase supply in the US to reduce price increases due to scarcity, at the cost of absolutely fucking your allies and trade partnersthis is effectively economic suicide for the US. The best option would have been to not do this retarded bungle of a war, the second best option is to threaten to nuke israel if they violate our MOU and apologize to iran.
>>543158497From the SOOPER INTELLIGENCE:The claim is mostly false and highly exaggerated.1. The 85% Capacity Figure Is FalseGlobal Capacity Share: Major European ocean carriers—such as MSC (Switzerland), Maersk (Denmark), CMA CGM (France), and Hapag-Lloyd (Germany)—control roughly 50% to 55% of global container shipping capacity. U.S. Trade Share: Non-European carriers hold a massive share of U.S. ocean trade. Asian shipping giants like COSCO (China), Ocean Network Express / ONE (Japan), Evergreen (Taiwan), and HMM (South Korea) manage a major portion of transpacific and transatlantic cargo routes.Bulk & Energy Cargo: Container shipping is only one part of total U.S. trade. Crude oil, refined petroleum, liquefied natural gas (LNG), grain, and dry bulk are largely carried by non-EU, flag-of-convenience vessels (e.g., Panama, Marshall Islands, Liberia).2. A "Full Stop" Is Legally and Logistically UnrealisticInternational Maritime Law: Sovereign nations and international conventions guarantee freedom of navigation on the high seas. A legal ban targeting specific trade routes involving third-party nations (e.g., prohibiting a European ship from moving goods between China and the U.S.) would face severe international legal challenges.Flag State Bypasses: Shipping lines frequently reflag ships, adjust ownership structures, or transfer charters to non-EU subsidiaries or charterers to legally circumvent sanctions or trade bans.3. Economic ReciprocityA total trade block would disrupt European supply chains and industries as severely as U.S. markets. European shipping lines rely on U.S. trade routes for a major portion of their global revenues, making such an absolute embargo economically self-destructive for Europe
>>543157143
The knock on effect is going to be big for this. About 15% of the diesel we use is American refined.
How is this bad for Americans?As for Europe tough shit lmaoShould have helped with Iran
>>543157353That was thenThis is nowThey did both that, and made shitloads of money, but since this is still a unipolar petrodollar /OPEC shitshow, and american voters are complaining about internationally priced events hittinf their pumps: the logical conclusion, again for midterms, is a 90 day freeze to lower prices locally and regain support for republicansLike its pretty obvious who is at fault here for your higher gas prices: its ukranian and iranian terrorist scum, russia isnt helping any either, but the majority of iranian targets have been neighbouring infrastructure and us bases- not israeli by a large margin, and russia exports and refines the majority of the worlds diesel in particularMaybe if ukranians werent such shitheads of recent, this would not be as exacerbated as it currently is; i put more blame on them than the hormussy for this
>>543158456When you retards started blowing up relations with every single White country in the world in favor of sucking Israeli cock.
everything will be great, export and price controls always work everywhere, with no unintended consequences. MIGA!
>>543157143>hormuz letteris that pajeet ever right?
>>543158717>How is this bad for Americans?it's extremely bad for our economyit's basically another thread that begins to unwind the petrodollar systemthere's a pretty good chance that we're watching the dollar milkshake start to slurp itself and hyperinflation is waiting for us in 2027
>>543158012It would actually be hilarious if the renewed and strengthened Canada-EU relations end with agreements that make it more lucrative for Canada to ship diesel to the EU instead of the US.
Reagan save us, Trump has gone full commie.
>>543157532HE'S MY FUCKING DADDY YOU SLIME!!!
>>543158019>but will the companies just send the crude out to be refined somewhere else instead?They already do that. The US refines the bulk of its imported crude out-of-country, in the Rotterdam port in the Netherlands which is one of only three ports in the world capable of directly servicing supertankers from its portside refineries.
>>543158755>Maybe if ukranians werent such shitheads of recent, this would not be as exacerbated as it currently is>america takes away your nukes>you get invaded by ziggers>attack the people invading you>some leaf faggot calls you a terrorist on the internetI'm starting to think the US should do on our northern border what we planned to do on the Yalu river in 1951
>>543158497cool, eurpoors do that and the us declares open season on all eurooor ships, which are 100% sunk by the end of the month, and thrn without the usa russia invades and conquers all of eastern europe after nuking western europe, next?
>>543157532The whole "problem" your referring to also has a hegelian reaction and solutionThe NWO faggots wanted a multipolar world and dedollarization and break its status from reserve currency: so that when they boot the old guard out and go fully digital fiat and begin restructuring economics with real commodities backing value rather than trust in USA funny money and policyI honestly dont understand how anyone in this website whos been paying attention to shit since trumps first term is at all suprized: if you bothered to read the open source publications from globohomo organizations; all thwts happening right now was basically foretold/forecasted to be the case
>>543158916>I'm starting to thinkDid it hurt?
>>543158820Imported Canadian diesel is about 5% of total US diesel consumption. EU should immediately offer premium for Canada's diesel.
>>543157506>obama slipped it into the 2015 omnibusOh presidents write the bills for Congress now?
>>543158779If you can't afford $4 a gallon I can assure you a bullet or a good length of rope is cheaper
>>543157353miggers don’t remember anything
>>543158539Which third party are you voting, or not, to rule over you?Because one of thems gonna.
>>543159013I'm sure it's happening already
>>543157663Trump is always the smartest person in the room
When I saw fake anon says news>FAKE....
>>543157562>party of the free marketI thought making america great again/ america first took precedent over free trade in name only globohomoDoes anyone actually believe we are in this situation organically??? Like give me a fucking break; institutions overlevereaged beyond their fucking eyeballs all dogpiled into massive long options contracts within the oil futures market, and they loaded up back when oil went fucking negative and wiped the floor of all the competition>implying these options contracts ever went awayBecause theyre leveraged beyond their eyeballs; if lucifer has to provoke satan to explode refineries abroad, he sure as fucking fuck willDoes nobody remember these facilities were being sabotaged and exploding since before either of these new wars began in either ukraine or iran?Surely someone else has a memory beyond a zoomer goldfish brain
>>543158951Yes you could do that but at best that wouls completely collapse the American economy and Russia and China would move to overtake you in every measurable way, in addition I'm sure China would fund an insurrection in America if you did that.
>>543157143>Prepares>Inclined to announce
>>543158012>implying this shithole refines anything of merit and quantityIs this a joke?
>>543158916Nuke the planet at this point, all the proto socialist European countries have drug us to shit. The infestation is too deep
>>543157143What a bunch of whiny bitches. Trump's managed to reverse most of the damage that Pedophile caused, literally on his first day after the, uh, "'20 election", helped them recoup the losses they suffered from the Venezuelan socialist cocksuckers and opened up drilling. I hope they don't lose too much of their absolutely staggering profit.
My honest reaction:
>>543158951If Russia nukes or conquers Europe that closes off the supply of ASML's EUV fabs to the US and its allies, which means US big tech and the AI companies are done for - which means the one thing propping up the US stock market implodes and the US is economically finished with the USD sinking deeper than the Zimbabwan one.Meanwhile, if the US is prepared to burn those bridges what qualms would Europe have against reopening relations with Russia and further strengthening relations with China, pivoting on crucial factors such as actually offering China full access to the EUV tech again?The US is out of bargaining chips. All their enemies know it. All their allies know it. The latter just have the decency of not calling them on it yet, because they still don't want to be the ones to have lit the bridges on fire. Dumbfuck-clown Trump meanwhile is juggling blazing torches of greek fire on a unicycle.
>>543157143how is this free market conservatism? this faggot acts like a democrat kike literally whats the difference between this orange kikelord and obama?
>>543158503It is, but everyone itt appears to be a shithead who doesnt realize the russian refineries are the ones making majority of diesel that died suddenly despite being safe and effective before
>>543159329>eats foodIt's already over for you
>>543157741America first would have been not starting a war for Israel in the first place. He's proposing solutions for problems he created
>>543157417did you never see another anon's screenshot about the brazilification of America?
>>543158960youre retarded as are all those who repeat such bullshitlosing power was never a plan. it never is. and never will be. for anyone.Great Reset has failed, deal with it
>>543158253god damn it, he already told you to focus on american issues first, faggot. guess who the dominant power is this time? the one who's already in a depression. so STOP WORRYING ABOUT FUCKING FAGGOT EUROKEKS. THEY'RE NOT EVEN CONSIDERED WHITE ANYMORE.
>>543157143Yuroshits are literally finished lmao
>>543157143that fucking idiot doesnt understand how the oil market works at all.
>>543157143all the while multiple fuel tankers are hanging out at the port of israel, dumping fuel into their tankers
>>543157143>believing that oil companies will just keep pumping out the same output as if nothing happenedRussia can pull it off because they have state-owned producers they can just order to keep pumping. Trump would need to back this up with an emergency power grab if he wants this to have any success of lowering prices
>>543157143Eurobros, wat nou
>>543158012>eurocucks are at the level of delusion that they think canada is now relevantI hope you have a nice winter
this motherfucker has caused the most unnecessary cost of living crisis ever
>>543159166The usa is the least dependent country in the world on foreign trade, our exports are food, weapons and oil snd our imports are cheap household goods and electronics. Our economy is almost entirely domestic production and consumption https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_trade-to-GDP_ratio
>>543159643We have our own refineries that ran on Norwegian oil. I hope winter will be cold and snowy!
What? I thought only the goyim deal in the real world? The jews will not allow this
>>543159606Put Jewkraine on a silver plate and offer it to Russia
>>543157143Why the fuck are we even exporting diesel in the first place?
>>543159606Probably war. Operation blue 2>>543159643, drone boogaloo
>>543158820That would require investment and construction of infrastructure that won't happen in time. The EU slowly but surely cut itself off from any and all cheap sources of energy just so they could put all their eggs in the US' basket, thinking it would save them, but when push comes to shove its vassals are always thrown under the bus. You'd be better off calling Putin.
>>543159341The usa already produces 12% of the world’s chips, we are 4% of the world’s population, we will be fine. Europe is actually finished, once the ban goes into effect europe will be forced to deindustrialize and return to manual labor subsistence agriculture hahaha
>>543158717>How is this bad for Americans?Are you really asking how unravelling the hold America has on the petrodollar is bad for America? Chinas going to push hard to become the defacto reserve currency now, and its not like the Gulf States cant be persuaded to go along with it seeing as America done such a shit job protecting them from Iran. All this shit is like the death throes of a dying empire. Amazed at how much damage has been done to America in the last decade...mostly at the hands of Trumps irrational and ego-driven foreign policy.
>>543159765Because free market faggots. The same free market faggots who said the same shit to the Irish while they watched millions of tons of food being exported
He already tacod
hey bros.fuck niggers and all that.What will this actually affect?i know europeans and canadians hate americas but, what will really happen when he does this?
https://jinsa.org/jinsa_report/not-bottlenecks-but-strategic-opportunities-making-room-for-more-u-s-refueling-tankers-in-israel/>over 20 percent of american refueling fleet>oy vey goy, thats just for us military refueling, not israeli! lol lmao even >meanwhile: https://www.bairdmaritime.com/shipping/tankers/us-crude-heads-to-israel-for-the-first-time-in-nearly-three-years-ship-tracking-shows>us crude heading to israel to be refined there
>>543159765because our kikes set up their factories in china and need our diesel there
>>543159765We export diesel to increase gas prices and import h1b's to lower wages.
>>543157143Oh fuck. Shit is about to get real.
>>543157527unironically yes, also price controls, blaming "greedy" companies for high prices and inflation, etc
>>543157143Based madman
>>543157143European genius level leadership in full display yet again>Ban nuclear>Cut off gas>Cut off oil>Muh putinnnn!None of this is an accident, the European needs of state are the perfect golums
>>543158565>>543158465>>543158439 Fuck......can I get a refund?
>>543159866I'll eat my maga hat if they ever admit that they're retarded and fucked up
>>543159875In the short term it would lower disel prices in the us, at least if other countries dont retaliate by cutting off crude oil. The issue is that the there will be too much supply to be profitable, so they will reduce production capacity, which will also fuck gasoline production and being disel close to where it is now, ie fucked. It would only be for 90 days, this shit is just a play to pump midterms by fucking things up in the future even more
>>543159765>niggerpublicans: "vote red or communism will win">also niggerpublicans: "WHY ARE WE EXPORTING OUR COLLECTIVE DIESEL RESOURCE! THAT BELONGS TO THE PROLETARIAT! What? No I didn't refine it myself. No it's not my property. What does that matter!?"
>>543157527Trump has more un common with Perón himself than anyone else. But if you bunch weren't blind you would have seen it years ago.
>>543158465>>543158439You yuropoors are fucking retarded. Your diesel is about rapidly spike over this. We were supplying you. I understand Trump is a fucking retard, but your hubris is insane. You faggots genuinely do not understand oil markets and deserve everything that is about to happen to you.Remember, it's expensive to be stupid.
>>543158916Cool. So senator biden and president biden arw both at fault for securing their familial ties to the ukraine alongside a shitload of other corrupt politicians and their respective interests in the same region, primarily russian and ukranian pil and gas but a few other sectorsOk coolAnything else you want to bitch about?Just because the USA et.al. gave funds and training to radical groups before any of this stupid fucking conflict (on the occult heels and memory hole for the plandemic and 2/22/2022 no less), doesnt make them any less complicit than ukranian shitheas terrorcels targeting infrastructure and civilians to kick this whole shitshow offHurry the fuck up then and annex this shithole, faggot>>543159480>great reset has failedYour completely oblivious to all thats at atake here being handed over AGAIN in the name of peace and securityIt aint my first rodeo with those tidings champ, niether is it for alot of us to whom paying attention and recollection of recent events is second natureTheyre going to "NEVER AGAIN" both instances of these warsThe BIS, WEF, UN, IMF, and others were ALL collectively shilling a multipolar world for almost a decade now and their publications have a lockstep blueprint for how to achieve those goalsMaybe try reading them, every event has basically lined up to achieve their goals of dedollarization- which is the primary concern in their trade of oil in particular
>>543158012Canada is basically all raw slop export.
>>543159765For profit. You absolute dumb fuck. >hurr durr we make shoes in the US, why are we buying chinese shoes?!Same energy.Holy fuck /pol/ is full of midwits.
>>543159744Wouls be terrible if another terror cell event occured within nigeria and caused massive disruptions to their infrastructureAnd again within malaysia and phillipenes and their islamic terroristsSeems to be a common things within islam: is blowing yourself and others up at a whimAloha snackbar as they would say
>>543160095thanks for the honest answer.I see so even though we have enough they would ramp down production making it cost the same.everything is so kiked anymore. i can't stand it.
>>543160260It's what keeps you fellas crawling back time after time>We don't need your stinking minerals!>Ummm... can we please have some potash our farmers are literally killing themselves...
>>543160057At least a few Europeans get it. An export ban may be (temporarily) good for the US, it will spike European fuel cost very badly.
>>543159765>Itt: zoomers learn about international trade
>>543160057dont forget the part where we supply weapons and targeting data to ukrainians to strike at russian refineries KEK. and they gloat about it. nobody can ever top the stupidity of EU leaders.
>>543159818No its going to be as the globohomos want it to be structured: a basket of commodities and other assets turned into a balance sheet forthwith value and fiat is derived: this alongside digital identity and digital currenciesThe USA is still going to come out on top of this restructuring after the "NEVER AGAIN" event concludes itselfSilver for the westGold for the eastThats the easiest summary of how this restructuring of reserves and value looks like
>>543157422He absolutely legally can, and it would be completely fucking retarded. An export cap, however, with different allowances for the different regional refining infrastructures within the US could potentially work if backstopped by the DPA, but that would require a level of nuance I doubt Orange Nigger can manage. A blanket export ban for diesel would fuck us, since we produce more diesel than we use. Refineries don't have that much space to store products, and produce a variety of products for every barrel of crude they distill and/or crack. If any one of those products maxes out its storage capacity, the entire line backs up. Gasoline, jet fuel, fuel oil, heating oil, lubricants, fertilizer, all of it stops if diesel maxes out storage capacity.
>>543157363They are astroturfing 70% of this thread
>>543160129Jeets shouldn't opine on things they know nothing about
>>543159875Probably an economic boom in the usa, not even jokingIf less diesel gets exported, people can finally afford to haul shit to projects at less overhead cost and start investing in massove projects to get those materials at hand and at the readyIf the diesel costs less, then machinery for drilling said raw oil becomes cheaper as wellSo you do it properly, and oil could have new projects open up with opportuniatic licensing90 days is a short window of opportunity, but if youre saving like $1.50-$2 a gallon after the fact, it will be enough of a motivation to some companies90 days passes and its after the fact what im more wonderingOr i am wrong, the price doesnt get subsidized as much; but i doubt thwt with the grand total and dominance that the USA has within oil and gasOn the conteary, europe and india be starvin for harvest season it would seem
>>543158755>iranian terrorist scum,Iran is terrorist scum for fighting back against an aggressor that attacked them unprovoked?Jesus Christ, you fucking glowniggers... You clowns are a significant reason the world is so fucked up. Go neck yourself.
>>543157566>US will already strain a very volatile situation economically worldwide if they doI don't drive to work on the thoughts and prayers of the French salaryman nor do I feed my children the goodwill of Swedish laborers. The extreme majority of the people in the US don't give a flying fuck about that. In fact, approval numbers would go up if we caused an event that exterminated 80% of the non-US population but it resulted in gas prices dropping just 20%.
>>543160095This is a more plausible scenario potential as well
>>543157143Sorry Hans, I'm with Trump on this regardless of how bad it is for geopolitics. You shouldn't have denuclearized.Trucks will stop running in the US if diesel stays this high or continues to climb, as seems to be happening. Inflation and energy price spikes need to be managed at home, first. One of my buddies dropped $1k on his truck the other week and didn't even fill the tank full. Absurd.When diesel is back down to $4/gallon or less, then we can talk about exporting again.
>>543160342Potash is about the only exclusive thing you guys can armbar the US with. Your tar sands oil is a meme and expensive to extract.
>>543157481Why? Are you all such spite-filled mutants?
You'll never guess Who legalized diesel exports in the first placeYes it was the Republicans in Trump's first term the only thing they did outside of giving themselves a tax cut
>>543157143HahahaEurope is so fucked>no russia oil>no goymerica oil>no saudi oil
>>543160381It really is that simple when dealing with all these shithead reply counts ffs
>>543159765WHO THE FUCK IS WE? DUMBFUCK? do you owe an oil refinery ? you understand what profits are? and that companies exist to make profits FOR SHAREHOLDERS? they sell oil to anyone for MAXIMUM PROFIT.
>>543157532Yet Republicans will win the midterms via vote fraud in a stunning upset and then double-down. Trump will reneg on preposterous $5000 promise because he faces no consequences for doing so.
>>543160759thanks bros. im trying to understand what will actually happen instead of getting defensive and emotional.
>>543157562>free marketWe can just do things. One such thing is drawing a line around our country: free trade within all others fuck off. This is what we used to do and it worked.
>>543157481Who do you think finance your shithole country?
>>543160759except most of what the US buys is imported.
>>543159329Anyone who folds their side mirror to me, are faggots.
>>543160998The US has exported diesel as far back as 1940s you stupid zoomer. You are retarded and confusing "Net exporter" and think it literally means "Zero exports before 2020" because your parents are probably related. https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/leafhandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MDIEXUS2&f=M
>>543160520A better option would be to subsidize american diesel to american patriots, rather than a knee-jerk reaction of its all for patriots?Idk, if theyre consuming less thsn they export; isnt that a sign of a stagnating economy?If suddenly that excess is no longer exported and its now domestically cheaper; doesnt that incentivise more projects that use said diesel so they dont have to cap production?Idk, maybe canada is exempt from this. And trump with the art of the deal just fleeces carney as a third rate puppet to use canada to continue exporting american diesel: in a similar manner to how crude oil shadow fleets mix various crudes offshore and create "new product x" from a blend, thus bypassing sanctionsIs that the endgoal here? Maplesyrup nigger economic fuckery?
>>543157267>Exporting energy resources should be a capitol offense.The US is a net diesel exporter, the reason its good to export that excess is because its used to bring oil types we do not produce in the US to us, thus having a net suppressive effect on prices of both regular and diesel fuel. When trains and ships start having issues moving shit globally you're going to get destroyed by inflation.
>>543160381Literally. They are so fucking stupid.
>>543157143we're doomed lol
>>543157143Boomer on the radio said Jimmy Carter did this a long time ago and it backfired. Are things just going to get worse again? If we have historical information if this not working why are we doing it again?
>>543160865I have read ezekiel 38 yesThe IRGC are fucking first rate terrorists you retarded plebNot all /pol/ is a natsoc larping hitlerino, most grow out of the larping nazi faggot phase, evidently not you>>543161170Are you talking about diesel specifically or crude? Cause under 2nd trump admin the usa is energy independent for at least the majority of his 2nd term
Everything is so suspect. The Exxon Joliet Diesel refinery has been offline since Sept 13th, when a power outage caused a pump to fail and flooded some areas. What is the holy fuck could keep this closed for 10 days. They consistently produce 11M gallons of diesel each day. For that kind of profit loss, you would think mountains would be moved. Makes no sense to me unless it is planned.
You are witnessing the downfall of the petro dollar in real time.
>>543157143The US had a completely separate oil market until 2014. https://www.reuters.com/article/business/push-to-relax-us-oil-export-ban-ends-2014-with-breakthrough-idUSKBN0K916U/
>>543161462>makes no sense unless it was plannedYeah, institutional investors and bankers are all leveraged beyond their eyeballs in margin longs and futures options calls; they will kill people and explode shit to force the price higher and higherThis is what happens when you let psychopaths gamble with derivatives: people fucking die
>>543161412Actually Nixon put fuel price caps in place that caused the 70's fuel shortage. Carter just gets blamed for it becase he was a pussy and he had no cards to force OPEC to ship oil.m
>>543157143Isn't diesel prices already fucked? Wouldn't this fuck us so hard it'll hurt having goods transported ?
>>543160884You share the genius IQ of your shabbos president. Be proud.
>>543161791Crazy hoe much directional drilling and fracing improved our exploiting some decades later 70s gas crisis is mind boggling to how diversified things are now- and yet still a gigantic house of cards micromanaged by satanic luciferians
>>543161480planed destruction controlled demolition the pillager the treasury
>>543160899There is no affordability crisis. You are a paid shill.
>>543157143I get the Iran thing but did we finally hit peak oil or something and this is all just running cover for it?
>>543157143This will actually make the price of diesel on the West Coast higher, especially in California.Sucks to suck, I guess>t. califag who last filled up with e87 at $6.29/gal
Freak the fuck out and stock up on everything now
>>543157143Good fuck euros fuck South Americans idgaf about these losers
>>543161462This goy is a problem
>>543162112You guys pay up to $1.18 extra per gallon just due to taxes in CA https://www.pfleet.com/fuel-taxes-by-state
>>543162114I'll buy a bunch of a toilet paper
>>543158142While a ban might cause a temporary price drop in the Gulf Coast and Midwest by trapping locally produced fuel, it would raise prices on the East and West Coasts (and in Alaska/Hawaii), which rely on imports and lack the pipeline infrastructure to receive surplus Gulf diesel. Because U.S. refineries produce roughly 5.3 million barrels per day against domestic demand of only 3.6 million, blocking exports would force refiners to cut production runs to avoid storage limits. This reduction in output would tighten supplies of gasoline, jet fuel, and diesel, driving prices higher for all fuels.
>>543161286The free market is broken, so I don't want to subsidize oil prices any more than I want to subsidize healthcare. Even with DPA price controls the oil companies will make plenty of money. And cheaper diesel won't necessarily raise consumption by more than a low-single-digit percentage, any more than more expensive diesel reduces consumption; most consumers of diesel are inflexible (agriculture, shipping, manufacturing, etc). And like I was trying to explain, cheap diesel won't really matter if refineries aren't able to produce the dozens of economically-critical petro-chem products they necessarily output because their production lines are backed up from a blanket diesel export ban. And reconfiguring refineries already running at 98% to work around this could take months or years, long enough for it not to be viable. And no, net export does not correlate with stagnating economy; if anything it means that in years past our refining infrastructure has been booming, and if you look at the balance sheets of many of those entities they make a shitload of money exporting products to the rest of the world.
>>543161938From fracking you mostly get Light Sweet Crude which is ideal for diesel refining. Currently, 55-60% of US production is LSC. The thick sulphur icky crude you get from Canada and Venezuela is perfect for the refineries in Texas and Louisiana for gasoline.Even though the US extracts 20MBPD, then use 20MBPD and still have to import from Canada and others. The reason is the LSC is better for Diesel and Jet Fuel.
>>543162112What the everloving fuck is biodiesel and blends and so one doing being exportes from across the pacific let alone dominating the gross total anything more than a single domestic percentileThat shit is absolutely fuckin retardedCant blame shitlibs for trying though lmfaoDoes that affect imports now too? I thought this was an export ban on american diesel anon>>543162114Theres a reason redskull was telling everyone here with common sense to PHILLUP and asking us, "did you phillup" and this was like 2021 in predictive scope of the conflict sbout to kick off- among other notable thingsAll those are in the archives and his image hash and moniker are easy enough to find
>>543162241Honestly you people laugh at toilet paper hoarders, but you really dont have enough toilet paper yourselves. The average person uses 1 roll per day. If you have a family of 4, that's 28 rolls a week. Over 100 a month. TP rolls will be worth their weight in gold in a few months, because everyone needs it.
>>543157481Spitful mutants like you should gutted with a knife
lol this is gonna cause price explosions, both in the US and abroadcompanies do not like to be told they cant sell to the highest bidderevery analyst thought trump would back off iran before we get into complete economic meltdown but he seems to not give a shit, this guy will completely fuck everything up before changing course
>>543162241You joke but it's probably worth grabbing the big pack of rolls
>>543157143Demand collapse right around the corner, which will make the situation worse lol, lmao even. Agenda 2030 is getting quicker.
>>543161462I'm not one for conspiracies, HOWEVER... growing fuel prices is the best way envirofags can get more people to adopt EVs and put up with other envirofascist policies if this trend goes on for long enough.Sure is convenient!>>543162239Yup.Some estimate the tax per gallon is as high as $1.50 when you factor in all the bullshit.California voters LOOOOVE passing bond measures because these retards think it's "free money". It's even sold as such in political marketing materials. I wish I was kidding.And nutSACramento has no incentive to offer a tax holiday to help all those poor beaners who are also paying this high price (much less the White minority) because see above.
>>543162442No. The US will likely stabilize a bit around $5-6/gal diesel while abroad spikes dramatically (it's funny hearing a German describe his own region as "aboard", that's total US cultural victory btw)
>>543162558Trust me I am all too familiar, my home state CO is following in CAs footsteps. Same exact pattern is taking place here, same people even. Fucking transplants.
>>543161301>export that excessThere's your problem.We don't have excess, we're literally running out because they can sell it overseas for more.Export your national security, and this is what happens when SHTF.
>>543162571I'm also writing in english and I'm discussing a US policy, it's just common sense retard.And sure, US companies are just gonna sell for less inside the US because they're so nice.
>>543158465Trust me diesel demand will keep refining capacity at near top levels
>>543160935>and expensive to extract.Well hopefully some retarded world leader comes along and makes oil so fucking expensive that the tar sands economics make a lot more sense, eh?OH WAIT!
>>543162790No, because that's just market value after demand decreases by a XYZ percentage after we stop exporting to the rest of the world. May even run into another contango event like during covid (no where near as severe though) at least until they throttle back supply. Will be very tricky to plan for as well, does the US actually go the full 90 days? Will the US extend it further out?
>>543157422$uvxy
>>543157143So the strait was closed all along and miggers were coping hard with defeat and humilliation, good to know
>>543160095Won't do shit. Refining capacity is and has always been near the top. They won't slow refining capacity
>>543162339>What the everloving fuck is biodieselAn environmentally friendly option that burns cleaner and is made from animal fats, vegetable oil, grease, etc. It's use is both required by laws and also encouraged by subsidies.It's actually a good idea, but you still need to make it from feedstock and California just doesn't have enough of it despite having almost a dozen refineries in the state.Hence this "green diesel" gets shipped to us from out of state.>>543162645Be thankful you don't have a huge spic population (yet) who are allowed access to state programs
>>543162912Still requires more energy inputs to extract and steam it out of the sands. So you barely make profits while Americans are making money hand over fist. You can output more to compensate, but if the market collapses back down again your nations energy investments become increasingly risky to continue to own.
>>543162996The only way an export ban would stop american companies to stop selling at global price point would be aggressive competition and/or a total demand destruction. The first is not gonna happen cuz oil is a centralised cartel, the second is unlikely to happen since diesel is always in huge demand, especially in the US.
>>543163041see >>543160225And just remember, when your groceries triple in price, your arrogant pompous ass deserves it.
He's going to ban exports, but I bet a million dollars he has no intention of socializing the price. So it's not gonna help
>>543163188We are net exporter, there will be demand destruction hans, you fucking retard. They will have to throttle back supply period, it's just a gamble as to how long.
>>543163075Refineries have limited STORAGE capacity and the US logistics grid for fuel is running at capacity as well. This means that if I'm refinery on the gulf a ban on exports means:>I am banned from exporting diesel>There is no additional logistics capacity to ship this diesel around USA>I have finite tank capacity to store this dieselIn the end my only option is to reduce the volume of crude that I refine because I will either be wasting product (flaring) or just have nowhere to put it.I know it's counter-intuitive, but the export ban is fucking retarded.The one thing Trump COULD do that would help is use whatever emergency powers authorization to force refineries to sell diesel at cost for the domestic market ONLY. But the oil lobby is so powerful in DC that this will never happen lmao
>>543160865>t.
>>543163246Sure, but the strait was closed and you were getting BTFO at Hormuz all these months, and this is proof beyond any doubt. Maybe you shouldn't have voted for a retarded pedophile TWICE huh?
>>543163272>socializing the priceThis board is so fucking stupid. Jfc, I am going back to /biz/, less midwits over there. Can have an actual discussion.
>>543162534That is why it is too simplistic to just look at a barrel of oil price and decide if things are good or bad. Over $100 bad, under good. If demand for gas/diesel is high, but it is difficult to get the crude oil to refine - war, political issues, etc - then the price can rise to reflect that difficulty. Then all of a sudden the price falls and it makes you scratch your head. The war is still on, the Straight is closed, what has changed? What is happening is the oil company pricing in absolute demand destruction. You don't need any barrels no matter what the cost if everyone is broke and businesses close down.
>>543163361>memeflag nigger calling others a jewKYS, jeet>>543163434>You don't need any barrels no matter what the cost if everyone is broke and businesses close down.Y'all niggers get why this is a huge big BAD thing, right?Just checking.
>>543163400Reading comprehension not one of your strengths bud? I already admit Trumps foreign policy is fucking retarded. Iran was his biggest fuckup, it's unmaking his presidency. Destroying his mandate. Europeans will deal with the consequences far more severely Americans however. Enjoy being cut off from energy markets. You faggots deserve to be knocked down a peg or two.
>>543163483reported
>>543163320Yes you're a net exporters, but you're not saudi arabia. You produce a lot, but you consume a lot too. Especially since this will make imported oil much more expensive than domestic oil, there will be plenty demand for your entire diesel stockpile.But sure man, maybe this one time exports bans are gonna work. They have pretty much always failed to control prices, but this time it's gonna work.
>>543163574Already admitted prices will remain high in the US, we won't see pre-iran war levels anytime soon anywhere.Europe can only supply like 60% of it's own demand though and you aren't buying shit from the Russians, the US or Saudi Arabia. You guys should be sweating right now and instead you are trying to gloat at Americans, absolutely insane hubris.
>>543157143LOLeurocucks asked for thislost in ukrainelost in the middle eastlost own land to niggerjeetslost sanction war to russialost industry to chinalost to trump and forced to kiss his ass
>>543163689Feels good making Europe suffer for thumbing their noses at us for so long.
>>543163676I dont really think it's gloating to call a retarded policy by a retarded president retarded, but even if it is - why is that bad? at least our pain isn't self-inflicted
>>543163514>we're going to get fucked, but that's OK because others will get fucked harderlmao, peak migger logic>>543163574miggers don't understand that US is a net exporter of REFINED FUELS but a net IMPORTER of crude oil because the majority of its refineries are built to process heavy crude that makes up ~20% of all crude oil harvested in USA itself.Instead, US heavily relies on imports from Canada and now Venezuela to max out its domestic refining capacity.
>>543162271So you dont think domestic demand would be able to catch up and matxh what was being exported?Surely the us govt has logical reasons behind this other than a force maejure aimed at crippling markets as revenge for refusal to assist the iran situation? Like was that the gameplan? Or is this must more theatre because simpletons take it for face value that pump prices will be cheaper
>>543163129lol it's still making money, tyresethat's fine by me, I'm not comparing score cards between my oil industry and yours like I actually get anything out of it, just like you don't actually get anything out of ityou niggers go from lamenting the downfall of your society to bragging about some oil baron is making 4% more than our oil barons so that means... you win at something? What? What do you win? The highest gas prices you've ever paid? $1.5 trillion per year just to service your debts? but you still get to come onto 4chan and brag about the amount of money people (who arent you) in america haveabsolute cuck behaviour; no better than the elon musk worshipping jeets
>>543163514>You faggots deserve to be knocked down a peg or two.Why though? We're not the ones who voted for a Caligula tier pedophile retard because there were a few men in dresses playing sports in college. Also if Europe just stops buying american bonds the US defaults within 2027, which will be a good thing. You're too fat and retarded to have an empire, that's an european game you mutts suck as at it
>>543157143Oh it's getting bad. Many american pumps are empty and it's a month before midterms...
>>543163729>at least our pain isn't self-inflictedyour government voluntarily turned away from cheap Russian energy thus signing the death warrant for Germany's industry you fucking moronNow your government refuses to talk with the Russians and is doing everything in their power to piss them off so that they'll never sell energy to Europe again even if they had spare capacity after China and India finish slurping up what was originally meant for Europe.
>>543157143miggers are going to cause a global recession. in their minds they think they're insulated from it. but if no one buys our overpriced tech our entire economy blows up too. it's like a kamikaze attack but the miggers aren't even conciously aware of it even as their plane gets closer to the target.
>>543163716https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DcLb4kIV6k&list=RD-DcLb4kIV6kEurocucks will lose diesel during the winter, i think they dont need it anyway
Probably need to open up areas of the country to more resource development. Alaska should have way more development.
>>543157532>Vote for Trump in 2016 as wildcard>He just sucks Zionist dick harder than anyone else and tanks the economy with covid lockdowns>Trump voted out>Voted back in 4 years later>American's shocked he fucks up the economy and spends all his time sucking Zionist dickThe most ironic part of this is the 4 years between his terms America was ran by an Alzheimer's patient. Biden has an excuse, the rest of you don't.
>>543163729Pain is pain, regardless of who dished it out to you. I am just telling you European faggots you should be bracing yourselves for what is about to hit your continent. Decades of neutering your own energy production to pursue green energy will have it's economic consequences. >>543163734A swing and a miss champ, Trump is nothing but a kosher puppet. Sorry I triggered you with my much more in-depth knowledge about oil markets. I sort of do it for a living. I really am sorry it upset you, I hope you can forgive me for not being a stupid dumb shmuck like you.
>>543157527Yes, it’s how they get invaded or overthrown via USAID.
>>543157143Europe deserves this
>>543162299We have both in bc and alberta; just that oil sands get everyones attention; and nobody remembers the alaskan highway and northern bc have fuck loads of shale oil too>>543163084Oh i know what it isAnd i know how diesel motors can run on cooking oilBut importing that from overseas makes no sense to me>>543163355And that storage problem has been the same case in iran now for monthsWonder how many of their wells are useless now
>>543163895>I sort of do it for a livingThen you're shit at your job, migger, because you don't even know the portfolio of hydrocarbons actually harvested on US territory lmaoNo wonder the US is in trouble with DEI hires like you making decisions
>>543163483It is real bad. High diesel prices are the fastest way to bankrupt a nation. Diesel is the engine that powers the whole country. Farmers use it in all that heavy equipment to feed people. Construction use it in all the vehicles. Transport trucks and trains use diesel to move all the food and products to market. Even a gallon of diesel produced, loses 15-20% just to process it and get it to the pumps for consumers. A beef cow is 100-110 gallons to raise, slaughter and get to market. Those gallons are over 150% more expensive than last year. That all goes in to the costs, but many businesses can't pass the costs along and go under. People will stop driving, that stops other businesses from selling products, which lays off their employees, which stops them spending, etc, etc. It is a horrible spiral to get into. Many businesses can't just stop and start either. They stumble and end up closing completely. If they can manage their creditors and have everybody be cool, then maybe but some pull the bankruptcy creditor protection immediately to stop the bleeding. These businesses do not start back up when the costs return.
>>543163769You should be getting something out of it if you are already this deep into figuring these sorts of things out. Why aren't you trading oil stocks?Don't get assmad at me for just telling you how shit really is. We are all just little peons trying to catch the crumbs bud.
>>543163850last I checked (you) guys blew up the russian pipelinealso europe did already look the other way when russia annexed crimea, the idea that europe should endlessly tolerate russian aggression for cheap gas is ridiculous
>>543160865>Iran is terrorist scum for fighting back an aggressor that attacked them unprovoked?No, for attacking and shooting the world's sailors and vessels - that's the epitome of terrorism.
>>543161108Lmao, not you.Should have answered the call when we asked for help opening the strait.You want oil? Go get it.
>>543163729I do recall your politicians decided to shut down all your nuke plants Krautbro. Some things are self inflicted.
>>543157422>He can't do that.I think Trump is intentionally fucking over his allies, he knows they can't do anything and pretty much just have to take it.
>>543163963Look at you trying to use technical jargon to sound smart. Adorable display of pedantry but containing no real argument. Like screaming into the void. Well do you at least feel better about yourself?
>>543163801>Why though? Because you are vassals of our empire and constantly talk shit.Imagine a flea on the back of a dog thinking it has any sense of agency. That is what you are.
>>543157532>it tells you the scale of the problem his Zionist war for Israel has causedThey've been manipulating the oil market to make it look like everything's fine and we had smelly jeets with VPNs spamming this board saying the strait was secretly open and the ships were just turning their transponders on and off (which is retarded because the iranians can see the ships with the naked eye or binoculars). That's all over, the narrative is over. The US lost against Iran, and now it's time to surrender and give them whatever they want to open the oil gates again.
It's crazy to start with a decision that would cause a global crisis as step 1 of his "art of the deal" method. I guess he's also using nuking millions of civilians as Iran as step 1 in that negotiation. He is senile.
Trump is an establishment politician. This is just for the midterms, he won't give a shit about fuel prices after. Maybe he'll brag about high profits for american fuel companies and numbers going up.This will be very bad for Europe btw which we fully deserve.
>>543163993Yeah miggers keep saying gasoline prices are "manageabe" and that the Biden era was still worse. But diesel spiking this much means all your infrastructure is fucked since trucks can't transport goods anymore and the price increase is passed down to the consumer causing hyperinflation.Trump blew up the US and world economy all because he didn't want to go to jail for Epstein, an election promise he didn't even need to make.
>>543163769>What do you win?They win this prestigious award.>>543164141>more kvetching from the kikeslavelmao
>>543163400The only ones getting btfo at hormuz would be iran and the local principalities and their infrastructureAnd you guys and indians since your markets get decimated by the blockades>>543163414Is /biz/ back to being good again or is it just because crypto pumping off this fear?>>543163729Lmao what? You retards nuked the russian gas deals you had and decommissioned a bunch of nuclear reactorsYour occupiers hate you dude
Europe should be allied with Russia.This is a travesty.Smart people saw this coming. The Anglos pushed for the Ukraine War, and for a total split from Russia.Finally, the continental Europeans relented, and split from Russia.With the split now complete, the Anglos can rape Europe, and the Europeans have no one to turn to.Sad and pathetic.Enjoy expensive American fuel whilst you can, Europe! And maybe they might even cut that off.Sucks that you can't get Russian energy any more!
>>543161286We are just decoupling from the global market to bring domestic prices down.Its that simple
>>543157381>>543157363Don't worry, Israel will be exempt from this ban.
>>543164164Why would we surrender? Why should we care if the strait is closed? How about you useless bastards get your military in order and come assist us in the fight against terrorism, you dont want iran to get nuclear bombs do you? No diesel for you lot until you get your priorities straightened out
>>543164048>last I checked (you) guys blew up the russian pipelineYes, America committed the single biggest act of terrorism in Europe (not to mention environmental terrorism) and your government did absolutely nothing lmao>the idea that europe should endlessly tolerate russian aggressionWouldn't have been a problem if NATO did not declare intent to have Ukraine join the alliance back in 2008. Again, you only have yourself to blame. Cope, seethe, and dilate.
>>543163129>steamcompanies like conoco use shale oil as a solvent and pipeline it over to tarsands now
>>543164268No one can compete with slave labor. Prices will not go down.
>>543164224>no argumentPseudointellectual says what?>>543164230There are like 3 threads at any given time actually worth a fuck over there, no different than here.
>ITT people who think this is happening because of wars and jews.It happens gradually, then all at once...
>>543164209There are a lot of owner operator trucks that haul for a fixed rate. They are just leaving the loads and parking the truck. If you drive for Walmart they can just pass the price on to the customer, but many of the guys are on a fixed delivery rate contracts. The owner operator pays the truck, the fuel, himself, maintenance, etc. These prices just blow those guys up.
>>543164314You may as well ask me how to fly the space shuttle. I know the very basics of tar sands extraction, not my area of expertise at all. The key takeaway I understand is it adds considerable expense and that's about all.
>The Hormuz Letter>per Politico>per ABC>per NBC>per Reuters>per some raghead's twitter videothank you for reporting the news that everyone else has known about for at least 24 hours
>>543157457Trumpy can do a lot more than seize “hoarded” oil! National Emergency! There’s still some EO in his desk to control the economy that past Prexys wrote - he can take over the entire economy “temporarily if he wants to! Temporarily means decades. There’s nothing more permanent than a government temporary action!
>>543164297>Why would we surrender?Because you lost. Because you showed the world you're weak and pathetic and a third world country like Iran (nevermind the Houthis) can make a bitch out of you in front of everybody. You got slapped around, laughed at and pissed on by inbred shias in flip flops and you only have dead schoolgirls and a fuel shortage to show for it.We should HELP Iran get a nuclear bomb like the french did with Pakistan. They won, they deserve it. What's lil Donnie going to do about it, write a mean truth or something?
>liberals mad about export banbahahahahahahahahaha
>>543164209>Yeah miggers keep saying gasoline prices are "manageabe" and that the Biden era was still worsemiggers really say the darndest things.I never paid over $6/gal for fuel in Califagistan under Sleepy Joe. And diesel was sure as fuck nowhere this expensive.miggers are absolute scum kek>>543164338Already laid my arguments out about US imports vs exports, energy portfolio, and refinery storage capacity. Your only answer is seethe, migatranny. It's boring desuThis is the last (You) that you will receive from me.
when Russia did this there were 10+ constantly active spam threads about how Russia is about to collapse, how come same does not happen when USA does literally the same thing?
>>543164340This guy gets it. Resource wars soon.
>>543164248EU will not be fiendly with russia, after collapse of EU good relations will be possible with individual statesEU needs to surrender in ukraine and pay 1 trillion usd reparations to russia (frozens assets, loses from sanctions and so on) before talking about restorations of relations loldo you think all that jewish magic had no consequences?
>>543157143>Iran lost!!! guys im telling you!!!>gas prices get high>diesel ban>ormuz still closedAmericans is stupidest nation ever i swear.
>>543164496Nigger I am not even a trump fan, keep batting for the fences you'll catch one of them eventually.
>>543164297Typical migger iq. Petrodollar is beyond your pathetic goyrotted brain so of course you wouldn't understand why keeping oil flowing is a necessity. Trump lost, Iran won. Enjoy $7 diesel driving up grocery prices even more.all he had to do was not suck Jewish dick but he, like you, can not help it.
>>543164164ships did make it past the strait by running it at night without transponders or by at-sea oil transfers to ships from countries allowed to pass in sort of relay operations, but it's not muchthe the recent price explosion happened because 1. countries' strategic oil reserves are running out, which used to ease supply crunch2. china, which initially aggressively cut demand, but now is no longer able to do that and has starting buying lots of oil again3. the cross-saudi pipeline was attacked by iran, limiting oil routes other than hormuz AND putting the fear of easy and frequent disruption in the market4. houthis were fucking around at the red sea strait, blocking another major shipping lane, making tankers take the long way around africa, exploding transport costs
>>543161108Not you.>>543157481This.We are finally looking our for the US's best interest. Now europoors are seething fucking mad and crying and shitting themselves even itt. Good. No more diesel for you. No more heated homes for you. No more food for you. Sucks to suck. Maybe you'll finally take responsibility for your own shit leaders instead of trying to complain about our SUPREME president. Your leaders bankrupted you while gaslighting you about the millions of refugees THEY let in. Look at yourselves in the mirror. It was YOU pulling them off the boats with your inaction.
>>543164224No anon, hes right, youre a stupid nigger who wouldnt know left from right when dipsticking hydrocarbons to take and API reading
>>543164558Miggers are already saying beef is a luxury and you should just eat rice and beans every meal. They willingly become poor to own the libs.
>>543157353Short-term pain, long-term gain
Total Leaf, Russian, Norwegian Victory.
>>543164268Whos "we"?
>>543164541trump is very clever, learn capitalismhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_to_the_bottom
>543164555>claims to not be a migger>spouts migger talking pointsenjoy filling up your gender-affirming lifted f-150, fagit>>543164611>you should just eat rice and beans every mealSmall price to pay to keep our Greatest Ally safe and to prevent Iran from getting a nuke. You just wouldn't understand, panician!
>ITT Spiteful Euros that have to go crawling back to RussiaYou can always snuggle under the covers with your local migrant for warmth this winter. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sQ_n5wweCE
BTW if anyone wants to know the MAGA-loyalist response:>AFD is winning because of Trump's 9d chess>all woke European leaders will be gone after oil crisis takes its toll>America will be just fineThat's pretty much it, it's a very funny story.
>>543157490>>543160520> Refineries don't have that much space to store products> If any one of those products maxes out its storage capacity, the entire line backs upIt's actually going to be worse than that.The immediate storage will be emptied, but as you said, those storages are going to end up filled again rather fast, since the diesel can't be exported & domestic market is not big enough for the suppliable quantity. Which means the refineries will reduce total output of EVERYTHING in order not to hit those storage limitations. Flight prices are going up, regular gas will reach the higher gallon price than diesel has now, food's even more expensive etc.And once the ban is over, the reduced diesel production is immediately exposed to international bidding, making diesel expensive as shit again until American refineries are back to maximum operational refining capacity - which they are right now. No idea how long refining capacity uplift will take, but I can't see it to be faster than taking at least min. 6 months.
>>543164628LmaoRussia can't even meet their own domestic needs right now, and Canada is straight fucked in about every other way. Norway will profit off of this, but all their imports are about to drastically increase in price unless the EU implements some seriously unfavorable trade deals to it's food producing nations. >>543164722>does the same "I am such a fucking faggot I will pretend to not quote your post properly" shit that /ptg/ constantly does you are one of those /ptg/ faggots, aren't you?you are accusing others of what you are guilty of, aren't you?
>>543164596>to take and API readingfuck off to india, ESL faggot>>543164500The two cases are different.Russia has restrictions almost yearly on diesel exports to coincide with their harvest seasons in order to keep the price of fuel stable so that farmers don't get fucked over by a spike in diesel costs.US is talking about an export ban because Trumpedo fucked us in the Hormussy.>10+ constantly active spam threads about how Russia is about to collapseBecause glowniggers are pushing a narrative, duh
>>543164405When using steam, yes, basically nees 70-80usd a barrel in 2008 moneynto make it feasible for the tarsand extractsI have nonfucking clue though with other emolients/solvents, all i know is when i worked in montney shale fields the majority of conaultants working fir their company and my supervisors said that the condensates we flowed were mostly being used by conoco to make less viscous tar and flow it betterMakes sense, blend it up, flow it better and faster and cheaper; then refine and separate them later at facilities which already do those thingsAnd that was just one company insight: i have no idea about the othersHelium mining in southern ab and sask is something i wish i had more insight of>>543164477Dude youre so high off your own farts and IRGC propaganda, might want to settle down and stop watching lego movies for a while, not a great source for insight
>>543157143Remember when he was bragging about great le deal with Venezuela?
Will do nothing in the long run, it's only going to lower prices briefly >Trump bans diesel exports>Oil companies go "we have too much oil now and it's expensive to store all this, let's cut production">Oil companies cut production>Supply goes down but demand is the same>Gas gets expensive again
>>543161791Price caps creating shortages is a basic law of economics.An export ban is designed to do the exact opposite.It creates a glut of domestic supply because it cant go anywhere else.
>>543157143Hey you euro motherfuckers, you wanna some gas and oil? Who is going to supply you during this winter?
>>543157143There goes our diesel trade. Mother fucker.
>>543164920Holy fucking slavshit cope. Russia is doing export controls for the same reason the US is considering it. The world supply of oil is being choked in multiple ways. Supply runs short, nations are protecting themselves and their industries. It's that fucking simple. Oil markets are very ugly right now, trying to smear lipstick on it is fucking retarded.
>>543161884No, idiot.An export bans means other countries cant buy it.So the price goes down for us
>>543160225>Your diesel is about rapidly spike over thisNo it isn't. In fact it is cheaper than what you pay at the pump right now
>>543164910>delusional gloatingTotal Jeet-Jew Burger Soul
>543164910>being this fucking newholy shit you're not just a migger but also retardedfuck off to facebook, boomertranny>>543164987Where's the propaganda?>Hormussy: closed>US bases: bombed and evacuated>Saudi crude export capacity: zeroed outHow about you turn off fox news for a change, nigger
>>543157353Is there any promise orange man has not broken, any lie that a miga cultist not swallowed?
>>543162036Possible, but unlikely.This has all been in the cards for years.Peter Zeihan was talking about this shit in 2012.
>>543158019> Is the diesel we refine mostly done with imported crude (like from Canada)?Yes, because your refineries are old 6 calibrated for heavy crude. Your domestic oil production mainly produces light crude oil, which has to be mainly exported for refining.> how much domestically-produced crude does the US refine into diesel?Not much at all at this stage (recalibration processes have started, but take 7-10 years to complete).
Why is it that miggers hate European goyim even more than Netanyahu and his cronies do?
>>543165126Nigger you are being cut off from Russia (Ukrainian war, export controls), Saudi Arabia (Iran/Houthis) and the US (export controls) while the EU produces less than 3/4 of it's own demand and you genuinely think prices will remain the same?How fucking stupid are you?Again, you Europeans fucking deserve what is about to happen to you.
>>543160884Your entire standard of living rests on the goodwill of foreigners willing to trade our green paper that we assure everyone means something for actual goods
>>543164505Soon? Theyve been going on since longer than anyone itt has been alive retardJust because tou had readily available energy and its consumption; doesnt mean blood wasnt spilled in extracting and refining itYou zoomzoomz really argue and project in bad faith and ignorance on every subjectAlso theres no need for ai slop, we already had games like that releases in the 2000s, cant remember the shioter game's name, but i played ut around the time c&c generals and world at war came out>>543164573Most people itt are zoomershits ignkrant of point #2 and its consequential fallout entirelyForgive them, they know not what they do if its not skibity toilet sixes and sevens
>>543165161Go back to your /ptg/ containment thread you fucking faggot.
>>543161457> The IRGC are fucking first rate terrorists No, Israel and Mossad are first rate terrorists. The IRGC ain't even in the top 20.
>>543165315I'm not a zoomer, and every war since the dawn of time is a resource war. What I mean by that is a reference to fallout. Hence the picture.Take the stick out of your ass.
>just browsed some of the 'hardcore' right from America on nitter>nigger-tier financial system bessent wizard theories aboundholy fucking KEK
>>543164477Iran doesn't need a nuke. They have not hit Israel since June 8th - 3.5months ago. Israel has admitted Iron Dome and David's Sling missile defense are low or out of interceptors. Iran has 3000 ballistic missiles they could fire today and end Israel. Israel has 2 working nuclear reactors that could be hit and cause a Fukushima in their country. We keep hearing they are blood thirsty savages and would launch a nuke the second they got one ending Israel. It is all bullshit. They are crashing all the world's economies for whatever is happening next in their playbook. This 'war' has been 3 buddies shooting off fireworks at each other for jokes.
>>543164920>eslWrong>indiaWrong again>doesnt know the American Petroleum Institute makes guidelines for how to classify petroleum distillates within the contexts of raw samplesI take it youre also a well tester like me?
>>543159765Not enough infrastructure to spread the Gulf made diesel to the rest of the continental US. That can't be changed without establishing more refineries in other states, but they couldn't stay profitable in the global free market of oil products' supplies.
>>543165152Nigger we are all fucked. I am just here to break egos.
>>543162790No, they're going to do it because they wont have a choice because thats how supply and demand works.I'm guessing you're a socialist so I wouldnt expect you to understand it.
>>543165361brownclown lol
>>543163041You win, the strait is closed.Enjoy your victory
>>543165472see>>543163188muh supply and demand only works in a free market. if you try to manipulate a market, the market usually goes "no thanks".enjoy your reduced production to meet the reduced demand.
>543165316>Go back to your /ptg/ containment thread saaaaar>>543165232Most miggers come from the blue collar underclass and they constantly seethe at people who're doing better than them. This is why they'd rather see other people do worse than try to lift themselves up from their cycle of poverty.It's basically a death cult at this point and we can only hope they Jonestown themselves soon.>>543165462Post hand, Sukhdeep.
>>543165010It is a great deal. Exxon or Chevron have to make a $15B investment in a country to get the oil out. The last time they did this all their shit was nationalized by the Venezuelan government. I am sure they really want to try this again. The infrastructure would be complete well after Trump is out of office and probably passed on. Will the next Dem US President fight and try to run Venezuela like Trump did, or does it go back to what it was with a new leader.Trump can talk oil and big moves, but there are actual companies involved that have shareholders and have to make money.
Anyone who has a diesel car is a fag, except maybe those old Mercedes.
>>543163574How are you struggling with this?We currently manufacture enough to meet our own demands, the only reason the price went up is because we are sharing it with you (customers are competing)Banning export puts a finger on the scale.
>>543165710everything that makes the modern economy work runs on dieseltrucks, trains, heavy machinery
>>543162442well said
>>543165582>talks like a /ptg/ faggot, acts like a /ptg/ faggot, replies like a /ptg/ faggotif the shoe fits
>>543163760Oh absolutely.Pu isometric for refusing to support us in iran is just a bonus from this.We played the irannies like a fucking fiddle.
>>543165161>wheres the propagandaOh idk probably the last dying breath of the entire leadership caste being btfo the first fucking month of the conflict before the remaining leaderless IRGC decided to chimp out and attack their fellow muslims of all things instead of muh heckin joooos, lmfaoWhats suprizing is that the US military hadnt taken more losses and casualties- its nothing short of a miracle that theyve kept the track record they have thus far with regards to thatSeethe, youre high off propaganda and that much is obviousThey honestly should just drop the hammer and bunkerbuster nuke combo the remaining mountain fortresses and send the IRGC straight to hell, but the west is full of pussies and faggot libshits who constrict results with their gay faggot opticsThis entire conflict wouldve resolved in similar manner to operation desert storm if everyone wasnt a fucking pussy and kept trying to negotiate with terrorists larping as civilian governmentAlso ive read ezekiel 38, anyone who wants spoiler alerts for how iran plays out had best just read that
>>543159765dude.....
>>543165721yeah and companies see the finger, they're not gonna lower their price just for fun. if they see their product has a value of X on the global market, they're gonna sell it at X on the domestic market. and if the domestic market doesnt feel like buying at that price, they're gonna bide their time, ramp down production and hope to sit this out until they can cash in the high margins of the global market againexport bans are useful to secure a ressource within your country. they are not useful as a measure of price control.
>>543163084> animal fatsTrumpanzees have plenty of that
>>543165755Why did you say that? I only said people who own diesel cars are fags. Why don't you throw in your opinions on Doritos.
>>543165968>if they see their product has a value of X on the global market, they're gonna sell it at X on the domestic market.this is the reason why EU economy is collapsing, straight from 19 century UK or north german unioncompanies will maximize profit and price will find new equilibrium
>>543165721The way it works out, the US extracts 55-60% light sweet crude, which is good for diesel, jet fuel and expensive fuel products. The US usage is about 9MBPD of crude for gas and 4MBPD of crude for diesel. In rough numbers the US extract 20MBPD and imports 7MPBD - 4.5MBPD from Canada and 2MBPD from others. They use 20MPBD domestically and sell about 7MBPD of refined good shit - diesel/jet fuel.
>>543157616KEK! You're a cunt hair less Aryan than a jeet is, are you brahmin too? lmao
>they are also crying out for people to believe that the petrodollar is the cause of all huwyte american (mis)behavior>they say that believing this is more 'vitalizing'holy KEKTotal Jeet-Jew Population
>>543166151yeah, and the maximum profit is sitting on your product until you can sell it for the highest priceit's really funny some of you guys throw around all this econ 101 shit about supply and demand and price equilibrium like trump just discovered this one weird trick to make companies forget their product is more valuable in other countries. it's 9 months, not 9 years.
>>543166302wait it's not even 9 months, it's 90 daysbruh that makes this shit even more ridiculous
>>543164209>didn't want to go to jail for EpsteinThat was just sleight of hand in the globohomo theater show. This is reality entertainment meant to keep people angry while Agenda 2030 lowers peoples standard of living and cuts down the energy they use and meat they consume. They just want everyone to think its spiteful retards doing it and not by design.
>>543165261BasedThe average person here is so fucking retarded. They complain about bad outcomes but support policies that lead to them.The average young guy in med Europe lives like a chump, in Spain, Italy or Greece, and deserves to.
