With America's 40 trillion dollar national debt, who exactly do we pay the interest to again? Am I missing something or is our entire system a legitimate scam?
>>543172029It is a big scam also our government representatives accept gifts, bribes and donations so we have no representation.
>>543172179Still voting Trump
>>543172205>Still voting Trumpwe know Tranny
>>543172029Jews. Now cough it up goyim
>>543172029>With America's 40 trillion dollar national debt, who exactly do we pay the interest to again?The American state is in debt, no you nor 'we'. You don't pay the interest directly, you either get taxed or the state prints more money to pay for it. The state pays that nterest to whoever is holding those bonds or whatever assets the American state puts out. People can hold those bonds indirectly via their pension funds, so you get taxed and then get paid with those taxes ! Great return
>>543172029>who exactly do we pay the interest to again?If you feel 5% is an awesome return on investment you're free to get a job and buy into treasury bonds and it could be you raking in all that cash. Realistically if you're too stupid to figure out how government borrowing works you probably have no business trying to discuss politics and you should probably just fuck off back to twitter.
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>>543172029japan
>>543172459so the fed prints money out of thin air, then people buy the bonds, then they print more money to pay the interest ect... how do we ever break even?
>>543172286>>543172286kinda makes sense im not an economist but just put your yarmulke aside for one moment and level with me man to man, is this system really the most efficient monetary system out there?
>>543172029Trump is responsible for over a quarter of this. He should have used the good economy he inherited from Obama to increase revenue and decrease spending; but he is a Republican and fiscal conservatism is something they only believe in when out of the White House.
>>543172819it efficiently enriches moneychangers and impoverishes laborers
>>543172630as long as new generations are accustomed to the burden of the debt, who cares? that's why we keep boomers happy. only they actually remember what things were like 40 years ago. most people younger feel like things suck but don't have enough direct experience or education to see how badly and purposefully they've been fucked
>>543172029>who exactly do we pay the interest to again?i'm going to make it real simple for youyou had a countryyou had a national bank, you decided when to print money for whatever reason you wanted (without interest)one day a dude came to your president, woodrow wilson and told him sign this.he did and created the federal reservenow you pay interest to the federal reserve when you want money like a regular dude going to a bankthere's nothing complex or hidden about it
>>543172029>who exactly do we pay the interest to again?Oy vey, cool it with the antisemitism goyim.
>>543172029They're going to eventually cut every social program which will cause a massive depression and social unrest.
>>543172029>America's>we payThat's all money that jews stole from Americans. It's much more than that 40 trillion figure, that's just the unfunded portion of what they stole. We're not paying back something that was stolen for us.
>>543172029>who exactly do we pay the interest to again?Anyone with government issued bonds, mostly banks.
>>543172029bond jews
>>543173501>mostly banks.And they buy this debt with your deposits
>>543173805Then pay you interest that's substantially lower than the bond generates. Just don't put money in the bank.
>>543172029The overwhelming majority of it is paid to Social Security and American investors. A tiny fraction to foreign governments.
>>543172029Anybody can buy US treasuries you fucking retard. It’s mostly countries and banks but individuals including many americans hold some. Holy shit so many retards on this website go back to fucking rebbit
>>543172029They will raid your pocket to pay for it chud.
>>543172029>who exactly do we pay the interest to again?To whoever the fuck holds the treasury notes when they mature. Don’t worry, they will just sell more treasury notes to come up with the money for it.
>>543173892Yes, total scam.
>>543173892>Then pay you interest that's substantially lower than the bond generates.It's usually half, you need more goyim?
>>543172029bond holders, basicallyif you want a piece of the pie, buy government bonds. You can profit from this right now.Arguably you will only profit at rates equal to inflation, since the entire point is new money necessarily enters circulation (figuratively) through the maturation of bonds. So it is technically a garbage shit investment, but they are RELIABLE, so the utility is basically in money you have absolutely zero fucking clue what to do with by locking it up for XX years.Think of it like this - you have kids. You want to send them to school. You technically have the money for tuition right now. Instead of SAVING that money (and having it devalue and be insufficient in 18 years) you buy bonds and having it roughly be worth the same relative tuition costs later.There are other investment reasons for bonds, even small scale. Have thousands you have no clue what to do with? Already made your max IRA contributions or other retirement options? Bonds are on the table. Better than just saving, since banks will typically offer worse rates over the same periods because they're the ones fucking buying bonds also.but tl;dr: the debt is owed to (you) if you buy bonds.
>>543173112> fiscal conservatism is something they only believe in when out of the White House.You don’t get it man, he HAD to go to war with Iran. His jew masters said so.
>>543172267These have to be bots. Even toddlers have a bigger vocabulary.
S O O NOON
>>543174151>It's usually halfWhich is a shit deal, when you can just buy the t-bill yourself...
>>543174200Checked and a great post.
>>543174200It's a slow ass profit don't make it sound like it's quick.
The banks/foreign countries loan money to the treasury because it's seen as a safe investment. The treasury pays them interest. When the federal reserve wants to, it prints money and buys the loans away from the banks. This is when interest rates go down. Because the fed is buying up all the loans. I don't understand how that part works but it sounds like the scarcity of loans on the market caused by the fed buying them all up means that when the treasury asks to borrow money at 0% interest, people still loan it to them, because they are so desperate for somewhere safe to park their funds.And this can even go negative, like in europe all the governments were borrowing money at negative interest after 2008. Banks and countries still loaned them the money because it is seen as a stable place to put your funds.
>>543174327>when you can just buy the t-bill yourself...That's the funny part goyim, you can't do that everywhere.
>>543172029they pay it with new debt that they issuesame thing as with treasury bills or even the commercial paper that companies might print
>>543172459Don't bonds have a minimum price of like 100k? They aren't a very easy investment
>>543174200Alright but doesn't that all go out the window when the fed keeps interest rates at 0%?
Some of the interest goes to American companies and investors, but the majority is owned by other countries. The Federal Reserve owns $5T, Foreign countries $9T, Mutual funds $4T, US citizens and companies $7T and Social Security Trust $3T. All of the top 5 countries that hold US debt reduced their positions this year - Japan, UK, China, Belgium and Canada. Peter is probably pretty close on the interest amount at $2T - it is currently $900B or $3/day. Nobody wants the debt anymore as it is too risky. The US for the last few years has been running a $2T deficit on their budget items. They expect the world to buy this debt allow them to print another $2T in money. The world is at the end of the line now. Not only will they not be buying that debt, but they will be selling it.The only way to continue this farce is make a budget that doesn't have any borrowing. That means basically cutting Social security, Medicare and Medicaid to nothing. Boomers will roar, but fuck them. Somehow you have to live within your means and only spend the $5T you collect in taxes.They won't do this and instead will really just run the money printer and buy their own debt. This will make the USD$ funny money. This is a good plan, but the USD$ is the world's reserve currency. When people decide it is worthless, a lot of that paper could come home quickly and hyperinflate out of control. The sort of nice thing about hyperinflation is you can basically pay the whole National debt off with what would buy you a hamburger today. The scary thing is, this isn't a maybe this could happen. It is happening now. Imagine all of your credit cards are at limit, the banks decide you are risky and raise all your interest rates, then the banks start to reduce your credit limits ... and you still have massive bills to pay for on going wars.
>>543172205>>543172247Is there anything worse than a trump supporter in 2026? It's worse than being a Bush supporter during the Obama presidency.
>>543174200>if you want a piece of the pie, buy government bonds. You can profit from this right now.You're a dirty greedy man
>>543172029bond holders.
>>543174467not if you're holding bonds at higher coupon
>>543174383>they pay it with new debt that they issueso can we ever break even with zero debt?
>>543174373>you can't do that everywhere.Yeah you can't in places like Cuba, North Korea, Russia etc. Banking domestically isn't an alternative for them.
>>543174768You do realize that you buying US bonds benefits US government? If no one buys them they need to raise interest rates even higher. Afaik some national govs literally run ad/mini propaganda campaigns to get their people to buy their bonds
>>543175304That is what the stabelcoins would be. They are bonds backed by shorter term bonds.
>>543173892if you dont use the bank how do you buy things online? theres no way around it[if there is another way pls let me know i know nothing about how the world works and am autistic, thamks]
>>543172029> who exactly do we pay the interest to again?The bond holders. But that’s not the question you should be asking.What you should be wondering is what happened to that $40,000,000,000,000?
>>543172029There’s no debt after the third temple duh
>>543172029The interest is paid to holders of said debt, a good portion of which are american banks, though of course when I say american I mean (((american)))
>>543172205You'll never have to vote again
>>543175628Crypto or prepaid cards
>>543172029Fiat currency is just that. The debt fools everyone into thinking printed currency by the kikes has any actual value.
>>543172029I do wonder how screwed the next Dem President will be in 2029. The tax base has been eroded by years of expanding deductions and credits. You could introduce a Wealth Tax, but it wouldn't touch the sides in terms of revenue. As much as people hate to admit it, low and middle-income Americans pay next to no tax in their everyday lives. If you added up all the tax increases Democrats want, you still have a deficit in excess of $1 trillion. You can't cut defense spending because manufacturing. Zero room for manuever. Then social security is due to go bankrupt anyway.
>>543174200Investors don't want to buy the bonds because their returns wont match inflation. That's why the rate is going up retard.
>>543172029You spent it on wars,midnight basket programs, illegals, covid stimulus, etc.It works like your personal debt. The "debt" is paid back to the Fed who pretty much burns the money (serouisly)Your taxes are literally not needed to fund the government. Not one dime. They print what they need and destroy it when it's "repaid"It's an interesting scam really. Brilliant from the top looking down
>>543174635except that wont happen because they wont want to fuck themselves over. to what totalitarian dump would they park their wealth instead…
>>543172029It's literally a ponzi scheme. Probably why they're bringing in millions of new people. I figure in the end they'll take all of our gold if they haven't already and all of our infrastructure, agriculture, etc.
>>543176532We can't tax our way out of this; it will require massive cuts in spending and raising taxes. This will never happen because the voters will just vote out anyone who does it. So we're just slowly circling the drain, once America collapses the entire world will fall into chaos since a lot of current governments are propped up by the dollar
>>543177244Not for long, we're wise to the scam, you're not taking us all down with you next time.
Wake me up when it hits 100.
>>543176372oh...so like, stablecoins?any good shitcoins recently? i stopped trading after i sold 2 different ones--after holding them for months--that mooned a day later. it really irritated me and i would have made something like 5 thosuand dolla off of a couple hundred.
>>543172029they print money and lend it without interest to jewish banks so those banks can buy future payments from the US government.so we are basically debasing our own money so that we can owe future money to jews.by "we" i mean the jews who run our government who were employed by the bond-owning banks before and after their government positions
>>543172029The average citizen. The government borrows money that (You) have to pay back to pay for Boomers to retire and non-whites to live off of welfare. By the way, the military, even right now during war time, isn't even the 3rd largest expenditure. Even if we completely shut down our military, we would still have a deficit.
>>543175628Credit unions.
>>543178265I never got into crypto.Only mentioned it as an option for buying things online without having a bank account.
>>543172029most of the bond holders are us citizens so it doesn't matter, we're paying the interest to ourselves.
>>543174643What do you support, faggot?
>>543178750oh.. it feels like its past its prime, but enticing that you can turn a little money into a lot if you get lucky. literally like gambling but with more control and insider trading going on constantlyfuucck i might throw a hundred at some shitcoins next month. i think they always go up in november or something? idunno i heard something about that a while ago
>>543172029we were meant to win wars for jews and still get saddled with treaty of versailles tier eternal debt for being white and daring to exist. instead americans told kikes fight their own wars so now theyre stuck delaying the effects of this debt while theyre still trying to use us.
Pensions and foreign governments, eg Japan and the European countries own a lot of US bonds. Any time they posed of with the US they can sell some and then the US has to issue bonds with a higher interest rate if it wants to take on more debt. Bondholders get paid first before any other federal spending.
>>543172029Half of U.S. fedgov annual $2.2 trillion spending now instantly goes to Interest Payments on the debt. Interest Payments now vastly exceed annual discretionary spending.
>>543178827Wrong and not (at all whatsoever) how any of this works. Typical for 4chan
>>543172029>is our entire system a legitimate scamIt is a global debt-based economic model.Money is 'printed'/created/issued *as Debt*. That is what currency is; debt.
>>543172029Oy vey delete this
>>543178943Not kikes that's for sure. Kys kike
