AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>543224350Is that all? Not impressed.
>>543224350JESUS CHRIST, is it growing 0.1% a day now?What is Bessent even doing? This does not happen, especially to a country with 20+ trillion dollars to roll over.
>>543224350DO SOMETHING SCOTTSCOTT, PLEASE.
>>543224481Bessent is slam dunking from half court space jam style
higher>>543224481shorting oil futures, perhaps using bonds as collateral
>>543224572He is monitoring the situation
>>543224455It is a big deal that it rose 0.1% in a week. Now, it grew 0.1% in a day. The problem isn't really the number, it is that the USA is now stuck with 40 trillion dollars in debt and counting.It used to have less than 1/5 of it not long ago.The issue is that the US government don't pay its debts. They roll it over (basically, refinancing it). Ideally, the government can sell its debt as 30 years treasuries, which are basically free money for the government. The fact that they can't do this anymore, and need to sell most of their debt in 10/5 years treasuries, and that they can barely do it because the yields on these keep growing, signals awful lack of trust of the market towards the US treasury.This is the US government, the richest entity that ever existed on Earth, and people are growing skeptical of its capacity to repay.At this point the US has so much debt, that even the unthinkable has become a possibility.
>>543224350The stock market is at ATH. America is winning. You lost, tranny
>>543224717>the richest entity lmao what a retard take
>>543224829Remoralization status: failed
>>543224350How high will it need to go before we ban usury?
>>543224350Based. I hope it rockets to the moon
>>543224350what does this even mean? non of my investments are going up and i still have to work tomorrow
>>543224829> America is winning.Is this a joke? We haven’t been winning in decades. There may be an argument we can win again when whatever globohomo jew war is over But right now? We’re at the absolute crescendo of losing for a civilization
>>543224717Of course the US can't repay it. They decided that Israel was the most important thing. They're betting people are too stupid to see it and are taking a 'wait and see because the US govt. would never buttfuck it's creditors.'
>>543225302>tfw no anime girl to do this to me
>5.2260It's moving like a shitcoin.How the fuck does it just bump 11 basis points in what, 30 minutes?
This is good but it should be at 12% to cure stagflation. Also that will kick all the other nations in the balls, nobody will buy anything other than US treasury bonds.FED's buying treasury bonds right now, that's like a banker paying off your mortgage and then taking you out to dinner to apologize for being a usurer. You niggers have no idea what's going on.Stock market dweebs hate this because they got used to ZIRP, and there's tons of companies that shouldn't even exist now, zombie companies. And foreigners hate this too because their bonds will be worthless with no buyers whatsoever.
>>543225312we were winning under no new wars obama though
>>543225302It means nothing if you don't own t-bills. Basically t-bills are the money the US borrows from you. It has to be paid back according to the yield. It's typically sub 3+, that basically means 3 percent of all the debt they issued is being repaid to the lenders. i.e. the people who buy t-bills. If it's at 5 percent. Then that's a greater portion that has to be paid back....where are they getting the money from? If you're an American tax payer, that's you.
>>543224350This legit might be the thing that triggers the cuck-out Iran peace deal
>>543224350I voted for it.
>>543225666Checked but the Iran thing isn't a war. Neither was it a war when Obama bombed the shit out of Yemen, for instance. That's why they're so agitated now lel.In fact Iran has not even declared war on the US or anybody else. It's simply a military conflict, not a real war.
>>543224350>It’s STILL RISINGhttps://youtu.be/vInFuLgwR1U?si=98zBXPYIs6Msa-1q&t=15
>>543224350>it's the fucking 10 year spikingladies and gentlemen, it's over
I don't understand kike money sorcery, what does this mean?
>>543225592Can’t do that. The debt to GDP ratio is 4 times higher than the 1980s.
>>543225666Better not look up who started putting kids in cages…
>>543225830You're fucked>>543225917He's full of shit anwyay, Fed isn't buying bonds
>>543224717The take I'm reading is different: the central banks worldwide stopped buying more US debt and started selling it to refinance their own budgets / deficit whatever, thus the treasury is left with private investors that just want profit and don't care much about repayment since they'll use such titles for their own trades. Now, since such investors (bessent came from that fold) knows the institutional buyers aren't buying and the treasury need to sell them to refinance its own debt and budget, are asking for a premium yeld.That said, from my understanding, the bond market is the most liquid market worldwide, meaning there's not 'abandoning' the US bonds since as a currency and market there's not alternative for such operators.Another thing to consider is that the BCE, for instance, will be forced to raise its own rates otherwise most investors will dump european bonds to buy more lucrative US ones.Thus is more complex than it seems, line going up or down has different implications for different players.
>>543224350what's so fanny? sounds like only funny thing is that you are too stupid to invest and thus reason you're poor. if you put $10000 mid March you'd be a billionarie right now
>>543225830It means the USA has to create $1T every 90 days (and shrinking) just to stay alive.It's a death spiral into hyperinflation
>>543225312Explain why I'm rich as fuck and can do this to my cybertruck if America isn't winning.
>>543225830see>>543225592It's jews freaking out because higher bond rates means people will pull out of the AI pyramid scheme bubble stock market and buy bonds. Also foreign countries will rush to buy bonds as the rate goes up.It's good for America, broadly, and bad for jews and foreigners. Note they never actually try to explain how and why this is bad - because they can't. It's how we cured the economy in the '80s which led to an incredible boom. If you can't get free money at ZIRP, you can't run a company on purely hot air and stock sales. You need a real business plan and actual productivity, and borrowing money hurts, it's not free or nearly free.Vid somewhat related.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1oHp-VvhDE&t=64s
I thought line goes up is good?
>>543226031Were taking all of you niggers with us you know that right
>>543226143Yes, you areThe difference is your society has zero resilience
>>543226143Good.At least we have some gold, unlike Canada which has zero grams in their vault
You faggots are delusional. Zoom the fuck out>Muh 40 trillionThe fed is not signaling it's a big deal so it's nothing
>>543226241And what would the Fed signaling it's a big deal look like, you obese muttface?
>>543225447>Of course the US can't repay it.they can print as much money as they wantyes, that would be really bad, but how is a default any betterjust slowly evaporate any remaining value in the dollar, while gradually reining in the deficit - poof the debt is now 20% of gdp
>>543226226They hold their value in persecuting otherwise prosperous people places or things into a crippling state.
>>543224350More proof we are WINNING!MAGA! is here, lads!!!
>>543224481>what is Bessent even doingThis is completely out of his control. This is the result of the USA spending like crazy since the boomers were born and now Trump's retarded macho act fucking every other country over.This is the consequences of their own actions.
>>543226143>Were>usBlud thinks he's on the team
line go up we are rich nigga. WE MADE IT BROS!
>>543226068You're actually retarded.You realise 12% would mean the USA has to spend over 100% of GDP on debt, right?Which is obviously impossible and would instantly make the USD worth less than the paper it's printed on
>>543226012> understanding, the bond market is the most liquid market worldwide, meaning there's not 'abandoning' the US bonds since as a currency and market there's not alternative for such operatorsThis is correct, no other currency can compete with the USD, because all currencies are derivatives of the USD by virtue of its reserve status in each respective nations central bank. The market is also pricing in inflation expectation, they see inflation running above target for years now, they see liquidity constraints in the banking system suggesting inbound easing measures, they see expanding wars and disrupted supply chains. The real problem here is the fact that a debt based monetary system requires not low interest rates, but constant falling interest rates. Such has been the case since 1980, but we hit the lower bound of zero and their suppression from 2008 to 2017 built up a pressure. Now those rates are punching through the reactance and there’s nothing to stop it.
>ITT non Americans begging for something bad to happen as nothing happens
>>543226202What makes you think that yours does?
>>543226406You're right, but long-term an actual default in whatever form would likely benefit American workers
>>543226434>by virtue of its reserve status in each respective nations central bankExcept nations central banks have been dumping USD all year
>>543226241That 40 trillion which is US goverment debt is just one drop in bucket....your whole economy has multible times more debts...and for now they have to pay more interest from it. Almost everyone and every company in your country has some debts out.....work hard Joe...work really hard now.
>>543226507Mine doesn't depend on running twin deficits dumbass
>>543224717>>543226012You are not wrong. There are tons of problems compounded in this.>volume of debt>profile of the buyers (pension funds and central banks ceding ground)>competition with other players (too much debt from 2020/2021 reaching maturity all at the same time)>reduction in trust by the lender>decrease in volume of long term debt bought (30/50 years bonds) to favour 5/10 years bonds (relevant for debt rebuys)>the fact that a lot of debt is coming to maturity all at the same time, namely debt from Covid (5 years ago)
>>543226518Cool it with the antisemitism
>>543226351Fake News! No one likes you Brasil
>>543226202>>543226507All the western democracies are consumerist nations. As the inflationary schemes die, consumerism as a concept simply ceases to exist. None of these nations have any resilience towards this, all the thrift and frugality of the silent generation is dead. Our melting pot door-dash societies are extremely brittle.
>>543224829No one can even fucking afford to buy stocks or bonds today. "The stock market is high" just means rich jews and boomers and rich jew boomers are getting fatter. The average American is absolutely fucked.A starter home is now half a million fucking dollars. If you were born after 1985 you will never own a home.American is a failed state. The orange retard could have done something but he is too busy gargling jew cum
>>543226351 <--memeflag>This is completely out of his controlCorrect.>USA spending like crazy for decadesOP is a fucking retard for casting this in a 'political' frame as well; none of this per se has to do with pepsi v. coke political parties.U.S. Congress [*TOGETHER* in uniparty lockstep] holds the purse strings on spending. Not the presidentFully half of the U.S. fedgov annual budget is now vacuumed <whoosh> by Interest Payments on the debt.U.S. Treasury reaches total default four years from now at current $2.2 trillion/annum fedgov spending. Global debt market won't last nearly that longWhat does ^that mean? Entire global economy and financial system is debt-based. Meaning, there is *nothing* in back of the whole worldwide system except for global confidence in the bond market<---that is founded on and constructed out of a single default reserve denomination, USTWhen the global debt market implodes, so goes all 160 nations with it. None of this is solely exclusively only just merely about 'collapse of muh jewsa'
>>543226707You should speak for yourself, none of that is true for my 'western democracy'
Death to America
>>543226518>an actual default in whatever form would likely benefit American workersUSD turning into a shitcoin would send American workers into the Middle Ages.They would have to launch a new currency with real backed value if they have any chance of not turning into Zimbabwe.They best be hoping that Gold in Fort Knox isn't painted rocks
>>543226394>Blud Cool brocolli haircut zoomer faggot
This is why Trump is meeting everyone important as they're going to do a Gold reevaluation soon. Probably Oct15 as that'll be the 333rd prime number of days since the Gold standard ended.
>>543226766All you have to do is invest. It's literally free money because it only goes up. Anyone who doesn't invest in Trump's booming economy is an idiot. He's helping everyone get richer
>>543226559Yes but only so that they can buy their own currencies and maintain the exchange rate window with USD because that’s what most debts are denominated in. The USD will always be the centre of the current Monterey system, by one mechanism or another. All of the worlds central banks are branches of the FED, these entities are not competitors, they are all part of the same beast. When the FED buys a bunch of Yen, it’s not helping the BOJ, it’s trying to save itself, the BOJ is one of its most important organs.
>>543225666>3,000,000 deportationsAgain, a massive load of shit.
>>543226884All the dollar shock has done is degrade American industry, turbocharge (((financialization))), and turn the American worker into the world's porker
>>543225312>hold my biodegradable cup and paper straw
>>543227036This is based, it will bring death to America sooner
>>543226884>would send American workers into the Middle Ages.im ready, my life would have meaning and be worth living if the system collapses
>>543224350Make miggers pay reparations.
>>543224717Republicans used to cry that Dems were adding to the debt and kept shutting down congress over it. In his first month in office Trump signed a bill to add 4 trillion to the national debt and there wasn't a peep from republicans. I don't think they care anymore.
>>543226068>It's good for America, broadlyCan I take a hit of your crack pipe?
>>543224350Maybe having a buttfucking Soros faggot wasn't the best person to handle this
>>543227199If you knew how or why this is supposedly bad, you'd say. But you don't, all you have is a vague feeling because orange man bad.It needs to be at 12%.
>>543227178Republicans have never cared with the exception of maybe HW Bush. They just pretend to when a Democrat is in the White House.
>>543224717>people are growing skeptical of its capacity to repayThis^ is decent summary-for-normies of what is the actual problem rnMagnitude of global debt has become so giga-gigantic, that interest rates and bond yield spikes that wouldn't have raised more than temporary 'it's just a cycle, bro' concern in years and decades past, have now reached a crisis.The problem is that no one on 4chan understands how or by what building blocks the global post-1970s Financialized economy even functions, is constructed. Nobody understands any of it. (the most retarded of all are the /biz/-crypto brainlets that think they understand the global system bcuzzzzzz "muh fiat"<---just by saying that word over and over and over they think they comprehend central banks or the global debt based system, eurodollar time-dependent deposit networks and myriad other aspects of this never-in-human-history comparable financial tower of babel that exists today)tl/dr Everyone's a moronTHe global debt-based system *RELIES SOLELY AND IS 'backed' ONLY BY* confidence and reliance in the solvency of credit. That's it.the word credit comes from Latin, credere:>to believeGlobal debt market has been more volatile and unstable in the past four years than in half a century (and back <---then, global debt was one-twelfth the magnitude what it is today). Bond yields aren't supposed to whipsaw up-down like crypto or stocks. Bond yields are supposed and need (in a fiat debt-based system especially) to remain stable, predictable and steady.When global confidence in the UST-founded and -constructed worldwide bond market expires, it's all over. End of the yellow brick road; even central banks have no power to prevent toppling their own tower of babel when things have reached this scope and magnitude.It's all about confidence from here forward
>>543227036I see where you're coming from, but their status as a consumer nation would end and they'd effectively have to restart from scratch how to be a self sufficient nation with small local industry.Unless they could create a new currency with real value to trade with producing nations like Mexico, Thailand, Bangladesh etc.
>>543227282Should be 24%. Death to America
>>543227324>restart from scratch how to be a self sufficient nation with small local industry.They have plenty of resources, tech, and even Whites left to have a good shot at this
>>543227321good postretards and newfags should read this and try to understand
>>543226944This is just bait.They had to prop up BOJ because they own $1.1T in US Bonds that they would have to sell if the Yen imploded, which would blow up the US Bond market straight to the moon.National Reserve Banks have nothing to do with the FED nor are national debts counted in USD.I think you got your information from a cereal box
>>543226068Retard, you have a +40trillion ball and chain in your necks, soon to be 41 trillion.If that shit hits more than 9% the US is over. States will break away just to be free of the humongous debt chain.
>>543227426I suppose they could enforce an apartheid lol
>>543227568>an apartheidim generally in favor of solutions that are more, shall we say, final.
>>543227447Here is a prescient December 2019 panel just days before covid (<--that btw was done to re-Liquidify the collapsing global investment bank black box gigacasino, the Sept 2019 overnight repo crisis) Jan 2020 broke:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMHQaxd5N-Q
>>543224350Good, fuck the hoomers.
>>543226924>Trump's booming economyDo you think the economy is the stock market or something?
>>543226589>>543226434I think there are not hidden conspiracies at play here, the US even before Trump have signalled to their partners the intention to leave Europe and middle east to focus their resources on the Pacific area, also people close to this administration stated the dollar need some devaluation, what we're seeing is perhaps the managed , slow and painful disband of the petrodollar: the outposts in the middle east won't be rebuilt, the security and biddings of the GCC no longer guaranteed (see : trump refusing to bomb the houtinis) the US will still hold the keys and plumbing of the world financial markets but the dollar will need be decoupled from world police budget.At least that's the best sense I can make of all of this.Obviously it won't be a painless shift for anyone, America included.The timing here is key, since there's so much going on nobody can predict what will happen next and trump is making sure no one will come on top.In a way it's a desperate, rage fueled 5d chess played to shatter and break the very chessboard.
>>543226012>most liquid market worldwideLiquidity is drying up. (Spiking yields are one major manifestation of it) Nobody is buying the debt(this is part of, not all, the reason Treasury Secretary is doing the long-for-short swaps and his other bond salemanship activities; but as noted ^^^^above it's merely rearranging deck chairs on S.S. Debt Titanic)https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/500310690
>>543225302Is that real
>>543225830It's getting more expensive for your government to service your debt. If the number gets too high, you could end up in a sovereign debt crisis (like Greece in 2011)
>>543224481https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-3GOo_nWocbut in all seriousness, it's probably just adjusting to the recent 25-basis-point increase. probably...
I really hope you all bought gold and silver like I said lololol
>>543227899Trump has advocated for a weaker dollar ever since his first Nov 2016 election. That's not news.His own personal (macroeconomic) reasoning—for decades back to '80s—and that of many other billionaire-tier U.S. businesspeople and U.S. corporate establishment, is that a weaker dollar helps America deal with its trade deficit.
by the time actual substantial budget cuts come, we will be deep into hypeinflation like argentina.
>>543228059Fifteen years later our governments are still playing the same stupid games with borrowed money Don't try it burgerbros
>>543224350danggyum man i mm get me some t-bills umhumm
>>543228131nigga shut the fuck up lmao
>foreigners think the entire national debt is instantly and dynamically adjusted to the current bond ratesWhy are these people so dang BROWN these days?
>>543228178>His own personal (macroeconomic) reasoning—for decades back to '80s—and that of many other billionaire-tier U.S. businesspeople and U.S. corporate establishment, is that a weaker dollar helps America deal with its trade deficit.Which, I believe, is one of the reasons central banks aren't buying more and selling some since don't want to be rugpulled.I will read your archived thread, amd i do remember on this very board the threads about the repo market right before covid, but then again, my understanding is that the US debt is still traded by worldwide financial operators, it's just a currency on its own, even with a loss of confidence it's still the most trusted, thus the discrepancy between financial operators and normal people is widening: where we experience higher costs for everything they see nore leverage, or something like that.I'll now read your archived thread.
>>543228665>Government issuing $1T of debt every 90 dayslol, lmao
>>543227854The stock market directly measures how profitable companies are and rewards success, so yes
>It's over!Source: Some unemployed and unemployable tranny who lives with mommy.
>>543228965>The stock market directly measures how profitable companies are and rewards successNot anymore.There's too much automatic buying of the S&P so it just goes up regardless
>>543229085>it just goes up regardlessSo there's an infinite free money glitch happening and (You) are on 4chan huffing gasoline and raging about Donald Trump?
>>543228799checked, central banks worldwide rn are buying gold and silver to shore up their balance sheets (and counteract toxic-insolvent assets therein)>US debt still the most trustedYes as a denomination UST / USD is still the tallest dwarf in the room.It remains a global debt-based economic model >>543225985 (with USD the worldwide default reserve)Look in archive.4plebs using these search terms>central bank>financialization>global debt market__________________>2019 overnight repo market crisisBrief video on some aspects of it:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMkq75L5n_k
>>543229198You're not very good at racism if you can't even get the right country, nigger.
>>543224350is this good or bad? I cant into finances
>>543228965this has literally never been the case
>>543229291Yes, I understand the debt based model we're living in, one of the biggest driver of our economic boom (and overall bettering of life to most people) was the Cambiale , a form of installment plan.https://youtu.be/2f2kGHcdJYU
>>543228965>>543229085>>543229198>stocksthe post-1970s global economy is Financialized. All wealth today is sourced, generated from (no not 'work', 'capital' or 'labor') *speculative debt instruments*. the entire global financial and economic system is only exclusively totally about making money off of money itself, alone.Companies dgaf about their own brand product or output at all (CEOs cycle themselves in/out of different industries' corporate boards almost annually, anyway in a revolving door).Transnational corporations today shovel most of their profits into (no, not capex improvements of their own manufacturing output) *buybacks of their own stocks*. Most companies could care less that their own product, or the Real Economy of goods-services-commodities itself, even exists.same goes for all the top 1% establishment of hedge funds, banks, CEOs, broligarchs: All about making money from money alone>"The real money to be made in the world today is not by producing anything at all. It' simply by forms of speculating — basically making money from money. That's the most profitable, and by far and away the biggest form of economic activity that exists in the world today."— Nick Dearden, quoted in the documentary film '97% Owned'
>>543229538>>543229772>>543229815A primary thing that all anons, anyone wanting to comprehend—at the core basic level—how the world today actually functions is to understand 1) what money is2) how it is createdMoney is created *as Debt* by central banks. It is a global debt-based economic model, founded on and backed by nothing but debt, and furthered by nothing but the growth of that debt <--that is the sole only way for the debt-based system to survive.* Every anon itt needs to watch (and share) these two films :* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * The Money Delugehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6m49vNjEGs97% Owned — How is money createdhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcGh1Dex4Yo* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *>"The real money to be made in the world today is not by producing anything at all. It' simply by forms of speculating — basically making money from money. That's the most profitable, and by far and away the biggest form of economic activity that exists in the world today." — Nick Dearden, quoted in the documentary film '97% Owned'
>>543224350ACCELERATE
>>543229815>Two more weeks!Give us a QRD on the infinite free money glitch you've discovered? Where do I put my money get get in on some of the free windfall? Do you have a job or investments yourself or are you waiting on the world to end so that you'll wind up on top somehow?
>>543229538this is how much the government will have to offer in interest to get its 10y fixed run time loans... well, to sell its bonds that get repaid in 10y. but it's basically that.to you as us citizen this is typically bad. YMMV if you are among the citizens giving the money to the government, maybe you get more interest (depending on how it goes with inflation that could be nice or not nice enough).
>>543230558if your government did something DAMN useful with all this money it gets via bonds of course it might also not matter. perhaps whatever the government does is better than 5% interest payment. what are the odds of that tho...
>>543228665>It's totally going to go back down bro don't worry about it also diesel at $6.70 is no big deal and the strait is open I hope after November it becomes legal to hunt you in the streets
>>543225590>moving like a shitcoinAs explained ^^^^upthread:spiking, rapidly volatile bond yields are an extremely bad thing (especially for a global debt market that is already unstable and global debt at such a vast magnitude) signifying global crisis. This is not at all 'just about the United States' alone or its Treasuryhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt-to-GDP_ratioGlobal debt topped $255 trillion in 2019 and $350 trillion in 2025, almost four times the amount of all global economic output. Public debt—sovereign debt of governments—in 2026 comprises ninety-four percent of the entire global economy; IMF predicts in three years that reaches one hundred percent. World governments soon will owe as much as th entire global economy produces in 12 months duration. Total debt levels and deficit spending of the past 30 years has eclipsed that of the past several centuries of western civilization, and absurdly low and negative interest rate borrowing costs have incentivized national governments to no longer borrow on the expectation that they will repay, but rather the expectation that they will refinance.cf. also the Dec 2019 panel discussion here >>543227734
>>543226707>Our melting pot door-dash societies are extremely brittle.Yeah, the West as a whole is going to experience some serious strife in the next decade, maybe decade and a half.
>>543230683>2 more weeks!How many years of your life have you spent copypasting this manifesto of yours on /pol/?
>>543230683>Calls one global average>Calls the other one global median>There's no global meanI hate mathlets.
Would you lock in only 5% for 30 years, 30 years for the US government to rug-pull you? What looks crazy in retrospect is how HIGH rates were back in the 90s and early 2000s when governments had their shit together, everythings going to shit now and rates are actually low because money doesn't know where to go besides into gold or crypto.
>>543226321Because high inflation collapses the economy which collapses tax revenue"just print it away" fags pretend like that's a bottomless well of money without negative consequences when it's not, even using some form of it will have to be done slowly over long period of time and it will likely come at the expense of growth. At best US will be able to keep current tax revenue while it inflates away its debt over decades but without economic growthand that's the most optimistic scenario
>>543227899Here is the thing, Italy anon, the Trump administration has proven itself so completely inept at fiscal matters (Biden wasn't much better, to be honest), I can hardly tell when something is just mismanagement, or an 'intended strategy'.I don't believe in a shift to the Pacific. This seems more like an ad hoc explanation thought of at the last minute, because Bessent got scared away that Japan would continue fire selling their US treasuries.I'll have to wait for the Trump administration to end before I can understrand truly what the US government wanted. It seems to me like an administration that is completely lost between at least four to six narratives that it says about itself.The only thing that I truly believe about the current US government is that Trump's great concern is being considered worse than Carter. I think he is not trying to be a good president anymore, and he is just stuck in an endless damage control loop.
>>543224350Japan should sell their bonds, NOW!
>5th year of making ruble into rubble
>>543224971>>543224971Lol...>ban usuryThat's what brain raped muslims say. Them and brain deprived anti-semites who end up adopting the stance of muslims through their mutual hate of jews. Interest rates are a secular and normal part of history. It's just the cost of money. Romans who pillaged Jersualem and killed jews had interest rates. Usuary, as defined in the Bible, is just charging high interest rates to your fellow countrymen. And whether they are high is a subjective matter.Not having interest rates or messing around with them will wreck your economy as the Muslim brain dead Erdogan of Turkey will show you. He refused to raise interest rates when needed and it nearly led to hyperinflation and him getting voted out.
>>543231236Rates should be 7 to 8% on U.S. Treasuries and 10 to 12% on U.K. debt easily until these governments get their shit together. I would trust Walmart to pay its debt back on time more than either of these governments.
>>543231936Not a normal part of history both catholics and orthodox countries banned usury and deported Jews numerous times through medieval Europe, for obvious reasons
>>543225302>didn't buy GMEngmi
>>543231248A default also implodes the economy but even worse so they won't do that.
>>543224350Number going up good tho
>>543226518>defaultignoring the acute economic crisis it will create as the private is utterly fucked, banks go bankrupt and life savings are deleted, it now means that murica will not have access to debt in order to finance its budgetso they would have nothing but printing, meaning that unless americans can suddenly tolerate massively reduced public spending in the middle of a great depression-tier crisis (arguably far worse), the dollar would go zimbabwe-tier
>>543231936>Interest rates are a secularWe already said they were Jewish.
>>543226774It's fine. AI will increase productivity by a thousand orders of magnitude and bring about the singularity. You'll be so bored you'll beg for a job, and the AI will say "no" because it loves you very much and doesn't want you to tire yourself. You'll beg for food and the AI will say "no" because you could lose a few pounds.
>>543228965It’s not a measure of how profitable company is. It’s a measure of how much money is in the market dumbass. Inflation causes the stock market. to increase because everything increases. If a company takes out a loan for $1 billion suddenly their company is worth $1 billion more does that mean they’re profitable no?
>>543230736I'm just not paying it back.Good luck to the rest of you though!
>>543226434Isn't the solution obvious? Negative bond rates. Not the silliness of Japan's trial run, but a genuine regime.
>>543232932America has everything it needs, for better or worse. To be fair, a lot of it's in our landfills, but if we're able to face up to who we are, we could make it through.
>>543230657Trump's going to cut exports and it'll go down to $3 a gallon.
>>543228965I wish another 2008 crash happened right now to put hundreds of millions out of jobs and all money. Artificially stable economy for 18 years has fried the burger mind.
>>543234883Based, death to America
>>543227309Give me a fucking break, the reverse is true, democrats only LARP as fiscally prudent when they're out of power. When they're in power, any attempt at stopping a debt ceiling hike has them screaming like miggers. This happened almost a dozen times during the Obama years.
>>543225808Iran is a new war whatever people pretend otherwise.>>543225975>Better not look up who started putting kids in cages…controversial cells for illegals precedes Obamna. sorry migger anon>>543226983>no argument against the main pointi accept your concession with grace
>>543224350Why arent you guys planning to purchase these decent yielding treasuries? Imagine if it goes 6% you can park a bit of cash there
>>543224717we'll just fucking bomb and steam roll any country that objects
>>543234843Does he have the political power?
>>543227309Bush took a surplus under clinton and started a retarded 20 year war and ran up the debt the instant he was in power
>>543225302we are nearing apogee
>>543226226We have all the mining companies though so we'll find some moreWe're also good at tricking and trapping natives into odd contracts and things so I'm sure we'll figure out something
>>543225302It means you'll never get a mortgage. Its over. Just move back to India or something.
>>543226049There are 330 million people in this country - some of them will be rich and retarded even if everything is going to shit.
>>543236526Yep. They're doing it tomorrow actually. This weekend at the latest. You heard it here first.
>>543234843Even me in my mud hut knows that price control will only cause scarcity.The price is going to go down for a while, then US companies will abuse the cheaper-than-global gas price. The cheap end products will be exported massively and the gas will be scarce in the US soil soon enough.
>>543224350How does this affect you personally?
None of the miggers saying this is ok are actually exposed to the American bond market in anyway but their parents who pay for the life sustaining Chicken teddies are exposed so it won't hit them immediately.
Miggers won't realise til their obese mother starts bringing them Walmart value nuggies instead of the nice Krogertendiea then they will be drinking great value brand sodas and wondering why the sky fell down around them
>>543224350This is the end result of allowing Jews to exist within your society
In America Jews rob the gov then buy the gov assets and favors with the govs own money then privatize everything enslaving entires generations
>>543224350The number is going up, why is it a bad thing?
>>543234817not possible when we have a country filled with browns and blacks. no hope. however, if it were homogenous white we absolutely could "pull outselves up by our bootstraps".niggers would literally be burning this country down if we ever defaulted or the economy crashed. that is by far the biggest greatest threat we face. millions and millions of brown and black savages.
>>543226774>none of this Well not "none", antagonizing allies and starting a war probably didn't help.>has to do with pepsi v. coke political partiesYou're mostly right but if it blows up in Trump's face then good, fuck him. I like to see the public blame him for shit.
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>>543224350How are you gonna solve it? By importing 10 million cartel trafficked mexicans?
>>543235978Obama decreased deficits over the course of his 2 terms, something, with the good times Trump inherited in 2017, Trump should have continued.>>543236573HW Bush is Bush Sr. The guy before Clinton.
>>543231936post nose
>>543224350real inflation is 15-18% and accelerating honestly anything below double digits is impressive.
>>543224350This is good right @Grok ?
>>543224829This. The glowies will just print more money. >B-B-But inflationNot their problem
>>543244648NOPE IT'S NOT I DON'T OWN ANYTHING AND LIVE PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK HOPE YOU ALL DON'T OWN THINGS, HAVE MORGAGES, KIDS TO FEED, INSURANCE, & WON'T BE LOOT BOXES WHEN SOCIETY IMPLODES ;3
Nice.
>>543224609Was Trump the fabled red heifer all along?
>>543246666
remember in 2016 when trump said he would reduce the countries 19 trillion dollar debtthis fake news article from 2016 predicted it would reach 38 trillion because of him. boy did that age terribly
>>543228077>but in all seriousness, it's probably just adjusting to the recent 25-basis-point increase. probably...They follow the market to maintain the illusion of control.
>>543224481>What is Bessent even doing?Crashing this economy. With no survivors.He's a big guy.
>>543226012What happens when the short term yield rates surpass the long term yield rates? Central banks won't like that inversion one bit.
>>543248965trump threatened to have the military intervene. if that means he will have them shoot the bonds, or whatever, we dont know
>>543224350Thats Bidens bond bust. You lost tranny.
>>543249119Surely this will arouse the confidence in investor's holding US bonds and not backfire spectacularly
>>543226895Nice Masonic reference
>>543236251most of these retards have no cash
>>543236251When it reaches 6% it will shortly reach 7% and then you won't even need cash no more. It will be a society that's completely cashless. In fact there won't be society there will be ferals and scavengers.
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>>543224350At this rate they will be forced to sacrifice crypto market.
>>543224481Oh does it look like the west is currently bankrolling a next gen armoury for its military?Becuase it sure feels like they are preparing to go to war?Am i paranoid?Or should i buy war bonds instead of a mortgage?
>>543224717>>543226012>signals awful lack of trust of the market towards the US treasury.One other notable cause of yields rising (globally) is that pensions are dying out, and pension funds were huge, reliable purchasers of bonds, since they paid out reliable amounts on a reliable schedule.But yeah it's bad news.
>>543224350so number go up? that's a good thing tho
>>543250779it is super good, you're gonna find out ahahthe funniest thing is that people on average have no clue, just like in 2007-2008 only this time it's hundreds of times worse
>>543225447nobody decided Israel was the most important thing, you are just captured, 100% and completely. You can't ever get out of it without a real holocaust
>>543250892>just like in 2007-2008 only this time it's hundreds of times worseIf that is so, then Brazil is chilling
>>543224717American economy runs on debt. Imagine an engine. Debt is the fuel.
>>543242040>Obama decreased deficits over the course of his 2 termsNo, absolutely not. Obama gave 8 trillion to the banks in the form of Quantitative Easing and didn't count it in the deficit. 8 trillion is a trillion extra deficit per year. He had the largest deficit ever and just didn't include the bad numbers, same as him rebranding "turning away at the border" to "deportation" so he could say he deported the most people.
I'm kind of retarded what does this even mean
>>543227321It's not just belief, it is also the US army and the US economy and the US gold reserves.
At what point bessent resigns?
>>543224572kek this^ so much this^^^
>>543226226Isn't all your gold in a vault in London?You don't have any either, re.
>>543224350How do I profit off this?
i feel like the entire economy is going to crash real fucking soon
>>543251249by putting all your money into physical goods so when the next round of inflation hits your wealth doesn't depreciate
>>543251091>US armya muttoloid mix including women, they can't win wars in this shape >US economylol>US goldprobably is not there anymore (not all of it at least), what is left will be claimed by the paper issuers anyway
>>543251390>>US gold>probably is not there anymore (not all of it at least), what is left will be claimed by the paper issuers anywayThat is very antisemitic.
>>543251460well I fear the same for our gold :( we are in the top holders on paper, both me and you
>>543251093Only things they can do is raise taxes or borrow less(they can't do it because coupon payments take 15-20% of budget, compared to 5% in 2020). It's gonna get higher till other investment options are even worse that what bonds can offer.
>>543224350short term pain for long term agony
What happened to that Fort Knox audit that was touted by Elon and Trump a number of months ago? Is it safe to ask or it's another very antisemitic question
>>543225302It means that everyome who has any debt with adjustable rates including mortgage is going to be paying a lot more now.
>>543252733believe it or not, Rand Paul went there and did the audit, in 2 hours he audited all of it and said it's all there (more or less), he's such a wizard
>>543224572I cannot change the laws of economics.
>>543225302Is this AI?
>>543226774>inflate the debt away>inflates the debt>doesn't go awayWeird how even I saw problems with this approach as a lay reading articles about the supposed financial wizardry/alchemy of the Fed. Anyway they'll think of something, always do, and otherwise just set (another part of) the world on fire some more.
