It's been a strange experience to see a war degenerate before your eyes. The first couple years of the war were kino as fuck. HD footage filmed from spotter drones of tanks and APCs getting blown up, grenade drops, etc. Then it all changed. No more tanks. No more APCs. No more chink golf carts or even donkeys now. And no more spotter drones. Everything switches to grainy FPV drones hunting sad sacks cowering in terror.
>>543236426>No more tanks. No more APCs.dont ever ask what happened to the Bradleys, Leopards and Abrams
Everything that isn’t a robot is obsolete now and armoured vehicles are extra super obsolete. The future of war is the sky filled with various altitude drone swarms and counter drone swarms, robot dogs and self propelled medium caliber tracked drones, etc etc etc. Don’t bring a meatbag to a drone fight.
>>543236426You mad Ivan? It sounds like you're mad about the Ukranians killing your soldiers Ivan. It sounds like you're bound for the front Ivan.
>>543236426What a fucked up sci-fi hunter-killer way to die.
>>543236710Trying way too hard bro
>>543236426>18th century warfare is obsoleteno shit really
>>543236710You didn't even read the OP fool
>>543236426drone operators are sadistic cowards
>>543236426why they dont have nets and shit at their doors?
>>543236426War of attrition with cheap precision munitions and equally cheap isr. This iteration of warfare will only get worse. No mans land will continue to expand. AI battle management systems will make tactical wins rare. Strategic level plays is the only mover soon. Wider war is more and more likely.
Why they even have people on the field at this point?
Wouldn't it be sensible to arm everyone with a 12 gauge and a fuckload of bird shot?Wouldn't bird shot defend these guys pretty well at a relatively low cost?
>>543236426Nope. Too expensive. Cheaper to spend a meatbag.
>>543237286No. These drones are effectively invisible at high enough altitude. If you're out in the open you will get fucked, guaranteed.
>>543237227for the lulz
>>543236426>Everything switches to grainy FPV dronesIsn't that just the Russian drones?At first only Ukraine published drone footage and they use modern HD cameras.Russia also had drones but they wanted to downplay the "SMO" so the footage didn't come out.I think now Russia does publish the drone footage and they seem to use Soviet era cameras.
>>543237393drone waves vs meat bags
>>543237227cheap fertilizer?
>>543237286>Bzzzzz>Anon points his shotgun up and looks at the sky>Bzzzzz>Anon is looking frantically around for a drone >Drone drops a grenade on himThe end
>>543236426They switched the narrative from Ukraine is winning to Europe is threatened now.After the U.S. kills all of the Ukrainians in their proxy war it will move to Poland or some other bordering country of Belarus.It's really sad and there is nothing you can do about the control of information you receive.Also this war, like you said has been weird, typically infrastructure would have been targeted first not later after the troops are all killed.
>>543237227Virtue signalsDepopulation agendaWar propaganda
>>543237047artillery operators are sadistic cowardsbomber operators are sadistic cowardsmachine gun operators are sadistic cowards
>>543237498THE GRAIN AINT GONNA LICK ITSELF
>>543236710This is either terrible bait or a delusional kfag who is mind raped by 2023 propaganda.If you support the Ukrainian people you can't celebrate their destruction.
>>543236426Jesus that is horrifying. The utter hopelessness and terror they must feel when the drone spots them and mercilessly approaches. War is scary bros.
>>543236710Found the zog bot who won't be able to admit we lost the war in Afghanistan
>>543237432>for the lulzThe wicked thing is this is actually enternaining. Its like these movies where the elites put poor people in a deadly reality show, game or battle royale, and have fun watching them dying. Like Squid Game for example.You just know that Putin and Zelensky probably have watched their share of drone videos, from the comfort of their mansions. Probably even while.smoking a cigar or enjoying a back of popcorn. So did every other jew that is propping these wars.The diference from the tv shows and movies, is that IRL even the average person, a literal who like me, can watch some of it from the internet.What a crazy time to be alive.
>>543237679This. Get with the times, retards. We are not jousting on horses anymore.
>>543237227It's not dense. Commanders are struggling to understand what they are doing. 30-40 clicks on either side of the "frontline" is dead mans land. Attrition rate of human casualties no longer reflect the "frontline". Humans are still needed to clear fighting positions when you want to seize territory. But given dead mans land is increasing by the hour it seems pointless i agree.>>543237286Been done since the start. Still used. The biggest revolution is cheap precision which comes from isr and payload drones. Most fighting positions consists of makeshift bunkers, FPVs is a consistent threat but not the scariest. Its constant isr that is the scary aspect. Coupled with an AI bms and you got hell on earth. Artillery, drones, 500p glide bombs.. all guided with constant eyes in the sky. Maneuver warfare is impossible, or it will become impossible. It's only at the strategic level that there will be room for intelligent maneuvers. Human led Tactical warfare is soon to be exctinct
>>543237469No, all FPV videos have shit analog footage. Russian ones often have better quality because they use fiberoptic drones more.
>>543237494I'm convinced that video but with AI controlled drones is the future of both warfare and terrorism.Maybe even add solar panels to the drones sop they can camp for weeks, months, years.Drones fly in at night and land on rooftops, in fields, on roads, everywhere.Then they just wait for any person or vehicle to come close.Millions of AI drones, in the cities, in the countryside, everywhere.How can you possibly defend against that?
>>543237828>The wicked thing is this is actually enternaining. Its like these movies where the elites put poor people in a deadly reality show, game or battle royale, and have fun watching them dying. Like Squid Game for example.You know you can pay to pilot these drones right? In the future warfare will just be some VR dlc monthly premium game pass option
>>543237929ALL THOSE IRANNYS IN THEIR HIDEY HOLES HAVE COORDINATES SKYNET IS STILL PLAYING NICE
>>543236584Don't ever ask what happened to the 12,000 tanks and thousands of BMPs Russia used to have
>>543238003>Maybe even add solar panels to the drones sop they can camp for weeks, months, years.That won't work bro. Solar panels have weight and don't produce enough power to overcome that.
>>543238003>I'm convinced that video but with AI controlled drones is the future of both warfare and terrorism.>Maybe even add solar panels to the drones sop they can camp for weeks, months, years.They can be charged from the wireless power signals being emitted by the 4/5G telecom networks, once they fully unlock that capacity they will be essentially unlimited in flight time. Also can have the solar recharge as a backup option
>>543238091They're back in Russia now. Are the Abrams tanks back in the US?
>>543238091What happened?
>>543238174Why are they in Russia instead of Ukraine?
>>543238129Give it time, 50 years ago they'd have said there was no way to have a flying drone in real time reality control with a wireless explosive strapped to it remotely, alas here we are. They already have unlocked lightweight solar films, its matter of using it for trickle recharge on loiter or long range items. Everything is possible eventually with time, they will have it. They could just power it via ELF radiowaves as well..
>>543236426there was a cope about a month ago where they proudly proclaimed "they now need 20 drones to destroy a tank instead of the usual 4. forgetting that is still ~50K to blow up something worth 40 million
>>543237227you still need boots on the ground, even if its to launch the drones at your enemybut there's a reason the front lines are a lot emptier than ww2 front lines
>>543238281>50 years ago they'd have said there was no way to have a flying drone in real time reality control with a wireless explosive strapped to itNo one said that 50 years ago because no one thought about such things in 1976. Wire guided missiles were a new thing then though, and were controlled optically same as drones are.
>>543238174>they've returned safely to port in Russia under their own powerThey're all taking a dirt nap in the gray >>543238183>experts agree>officials claimBRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP
>>543238209Plenty of them are in Ukraine too. Both sides mostly use them as SPGs because we're in the infiltration meta atm.
>>543238091They just pushed through kupiyansk with several tanks using an armored division though? Lmao. Little seether there. Weirdest copes ever.
>>543238362Hohol experts lie all the time, but this would be an odd thing for them to lie about.
>>543238129solar only need to cover idle power consumption when main task is waiting? this shouldnt be much
>>543238368>Plenty of them are in Ukraine too.Why did you say they were back in Russia then?
>>543238450I did not.
>>543237286do you know how much that would cost? Putin’s luxury dachas aren’t cheap.
>>543238439bro, the idle power is used to keep the drone aloft. solar isn't enough for that. it also fucks with the aerodynamics of the drone
>>543238482Then it was silly of you to answer a question I asked another anon about what she said, wasn't it?
>>543238395They pushed through using infiltration tactics because it is all they have left>>543238421>hohols lie all the time except when they need to support my argument
>>543238129I meant solar panels just to keep the sensors and electronics alive so it can monitor an area indefinitely.With the loitering strategy it has to do far less flying: just a straight line to the camp position and then a short hop onto the target.They could also use fixed wing delivery drones to travel hundreds or even thousands of miles and drop off a small quadcoper that just has to land, wait and hop onto a target.
>>543237286You're seeing just that at the front, anti-drone units carry shotguns on both sides. But carrying two long arms and two sets of ammo doesn't work well for your average infantry grunt.
>>543236426Just wait until they stick AI on it and you don't even get your fpv gore porn anymore.
>>543236426Russia learned that in the drone era, sending teams of 1-2 dudes infiltrating across the entire 1000km front is more efficient than sending a columns of 10,000 dudes that will only get BTFO by mines and drones. Yes, Ukraine is killing hundreds of these lone dudes daily but hundreds more they didn't see got past the surveillance drones because the front is just that big.
>>543238569Oh thanks is all they have left huh? 2 more weeks I'm sure itll all shift and turn around! sure great comeback! Moscow by winter! You are a clown.
>>543238000anon, im not sure you know what analog means, despite the digits
>>543238569All sides lie - us, Russians, Ukrainians, etc - but they're more likely to lie about some things than others. Nobody seriously wants to dismantle their own propaganda, in this case consistent hohol propaganda about how Russia is out of armor.
>>543237286No. Shotguns don't always work even when you land all your pellets on the drone. Even spotting it in time is hard
>>543238570>I meant solar panels just to keep the sensors and electronics alive so it can monitor an area indefinitely.They do that now. When the drone is landed, it uses much less power because only the camera and transmitter are running. It and sit for hours like that no problem.
>>543238635>sending teams of 1-2 dudes infiltrating across the entire 1000km front is more efficientefficient at what though?
>>543238569>people using tactics that workdamn war criminals
>>543237892>We are not jousting on horses anymorecould you imagine if we still fought war like those sadistic cowards
>>543238703I just base it on a side drafting nonstop and has stated 18 is new draft age after December is likely losing. Do all sides lie? Sure? Do I think ukraine will exist in the end of this based on how it appears? No.
>>543238069True enough. But Iran is right to go underground as delivering payload required to penetrate these targets require bigger planes than you got. Your biggest bunker buster is already max dimensions of a b2. I don't see the Iran war being successful without a new, modernized arsenal or a significant ground element to clear the tunnels. Youve lost a staggering amount of mq9 isr drones already just to maintain isr over months with no real payload penetration on key sites.Strategic level is fubar, all iran has to do is survive. Youve depleted indopacom stocks and readiness as well as centcom and European stocks. Geography and strategy matters. Iran is a munitions depot with a mountain range ontop of it. Ukraine is flat farmland with no hard rock to dig into. Shit strategy to attack iran without a plan of action that is feasible in the same year you attack. US will catch up with cheap isr and deploy its skynet tier bms but that is not what is happening right now.
>>543238776Yeah, hohols are clearly losing and suicided their country for kikes - but I haven't heard about them lowering mobilization age. Shit would be pure desperation, that age group is a demographic black hole in Ukraine, there are hardly any of them around.
>>543238665>actually seethingOk>>543238703>Russia is out of armorSo those FPVs that blew up every western tank at an extremely high loss rate just work for Russians, and not for Ukrainians, who also make millions of them annually, right? Nobody has tanks. Not Ukrainians, and not Russians either. They were all blown up. They each reserve a handful for planned offensives and emergencies, but that's it. Russia sent over 10,000 tanks and they all got droned in 4K. You can lie and cope all day on /pol/ but you can't stop people from watching the videos of them getting turned into scrap. Russia is down to meat waves and buhankas. That's all it is now
>>543236584Cool it with the antisemitism!
>>543238986You are retarded, and not even hohols are buying that cope anymore lol.
>>543238986Breathe. You're still getting sent to the front line next month.
>>543239108He has fuel and you do not.
>>543239140You don't have fuel either.
>>543239108>t-t-they a-aren't buying that cope anymore!You lost 12,000 tanks lol>>543239140Why would an American be sent to fight in Ukraine?
>>543239145Premium is like $6.29 a gallon at my usual station, but there are no shortages. I think some states are low on diesel.
>>543239171Kek. There is going to be such fuel shortages that the prospect of being conscripted is going to be a laughable joke, Ukraine is almost 2000 miles away from here, the plan is for me to march 2000 miles just so I can be blown up by a fucking drone? not likely and I don't care about any of these gay coke goblin wars.
>>543239233Not even copelords at oryx are claiming russians lost twelve thousand tanks lol, that is some advanced ukropium you are huffing.
>>543239241benzin is sold by the liter and priced in rubles
>>543239330Not here. And we call it gas, in case you forgot.
>>543238174>Are the Abrams tanks back in the US?They're in Moscow lel
>>543236426Drones are a non-issue. Just do as the Romans did.
>>543236668Drones don’t hold land and one day someone detonates a nuclear device in the upper atmosphere frying semiconductors so even the fiber optic stuff quits functioning, then it’s just you playing with your dick
>>543239369post time stamp and fuel gauge
>>543239319>oryxOryx specifically uses visual identification to count losses. Not every tank that gets blown up has pictures or videos of it posted on the media. 4,400 of them do, however, which is already a staggering amount. >claimingBut if you actually read the site he explains exactly what I just said.>This list only includes destroyed vehicles and equipment of which photo or videographic evidence is available. >Therefore, the amount of equipment destroyed is significantly higher than recorded here. Loitering munitions, drones used as unmanned bait, civilian vehicles and derelict equipment are not included in this list
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>>543237286You clearly never watched any content with drones. Humans can keep track of drones once they spot them for as far away as 600~800m the issue is once you lose your eye lock it's gone and you won't find it. Realistically 150~300 meters is the realistic spot range for a average human looking. It gets even worse if they're low flying and have a background with visual noise then you're looking at 100m and thats basically on top of you. You're not gonna be 100% alter at all times, you're going to be asleep, bored out of your mind or distracted. War is 99.99% sitting around being bored out of your mind and 0,01% harcore action. >>543238053I think it's crazy that it's been almost 5 years and movie companies, game companies and everyone else is simply ignoring modern warfare I've never seen anything like this. There should be 10+ modern warefare movies out there and at least 2~3 games.
>>543239438I'm not going outside at night just because you're a retard who thinks everyone's a vpn faggot like you, anon. Ask me tomorrow when I'm on the way to work. >>543239502Oryx's methodology is decidedly flawed compared to some other armor trackers - but *nobody* is claiming Russians lost twelve thousand tanks. This dude is just retarded.
>>543239673If you include BMPs or IFVs in that category as civilians tend to do, oryx has it around 12-14k. Ive heard the 12k figure and i know it's because of this.
>>543239673I already knew you couldn't do it.
>>543239777>If you call things tanks that aren't tanks lol. lmao even
>>543239798how about you present a time stamp and fuel gauge - and I'll consider getting off my ass too
>>543239803Welcome to the world of civilian arm chairs
>>543239673>Oryx's methodology is decidedly flawed compared to some other armor trackersThere's no better way to track.>but *nobody* is claiming Russians lost twelve thousand tanksYeah, there's no way the country that is constantly spotted without tanks on the front line every day and was exposed for losing 4.5 thousand tanks actually lost 12 thousand. >this dude is just retarded>stop looking at their losses REEEEEEE
>>543239842No I asked you first babushka, and you can't do it for the reason we both know.
>>543236668>>543239421Tesla said that eventually warfare would be drone armies until one side says "okay please stop" and that's thatI guess not even the world's greatest genius could predict that war is actually just a money printer for jews, and that the more people (drafted young men) who die, the faster the money flows.There's literally no reason for any of this. It's just that kike industries make money supplying the drones, and blowing up the drones is how you create demand for them. The innocent drafted young men who are dying are just plausible deniability.Jews are the problem.
>>543239935I think the fact that you haven't seen a tank in a drone video for over a year now says more than any of Oryx's research. They're all gone.
Why haven't there been massive drone lead offensives?If warfare belongs to the drones then surely it makes sense to concentrate offensive drones along a specific sector of the front, overwhelm and destroy the defenses, achieve local drone superiority, and go full wipe out of the enemy in depth, then advance in towards a strategic objective such as a river line, major city, or some other feature. Achieving a break through a hundred kilometers wide and a hundred kilometers deep. Your boots on ground ( drone and arty operators ) dont move in until the areas is cleared and anti drone counter measures are brought up?
>>543239777Oryx gave up on counting all of them a long time ago. Oryx is just good for calling out Russian shills who think Russia has thousands of T-90 reserves in storage somewhere preparing to blitzkrieg into Europe rather than them in the situation where their only tanks they have to use are coming right off the assembly lines. Also don't look up the satellite imagery of their depots
>>543237227Moloch requires blood
>>543239988>I think the fact that you haven't seen a tank in a drone video for over a year now says more than any of Oryx's research. They're all gone.Exactly. They never have a response for this. If they had any, why does it take so long just to see a single one in combat footage?
>>543240000The bottleneck is drone operators. The killchain is still 99% human and only edge cases have terminal phase autonomy and those are recent. It's coming, just not there yet.
>>543239957> do all this shit because I demanded it even thought I'm not willing to do anything myselfyeah nah - post a timestamp, get a timestamp
>>543240000You still need someone to operate the drone. There are significantly more drones than there are people to fly them. >>543240187This
>>543237047Unfortunately war isn't won by who is the fairest fisticuffs fighter
>>543240180>They never have a response for thisYep, they just get angry and babble like this woman>>543240226
>>543238635Genuinely , what the fuck was the plan here?
>>543237227The jewish military industrial complex makes money by making flying bombs AKA drones. The only get paid to make them, so there needs to be demand. Whoops, we killed a bunch of drafted Russians, we need more drones. Repeat until the genocide is complete, replace the Russians with Indians. You made a bunch of money AND killed White people.Jews are evil.
>>543237679Foids can be drone operators. Ponder that
>>543240072I know Russia drained their main battle tanks. Not worried about Russian armor in the slightest. >Exact figuresFog of war, I don't care too much.
>>543239798You have to be 18 to post here
>>543239988Both sides use tanks for fire support, and you see the occasional rare armored push too - for example when Russians were testing their APS recently. You don't see a lot of armored assaults anymore simply because that shit doesn't work and everyone has figured that out by now.
>>543240370DRONE OPERATORS CAN GET DRONED SKYNET KNOWS WHERE EVERYTHING IS IT WATCHED THEM SET UP TOTAL BATTLESPACE AWARENESS
>>543238174May we see the satellite pics?
>>543238501It's idling on the ground not flying
Artillery is still king. Shapes the battlefield and what causes the massive causalities. We only see drone footage cause west side doesn't have shit for artillery.
>>543240287>war isn't won by who is the fairest fisticuffs fightershow me a rulebook for fighting and I'll hit you with it
>>543240720>they've been returned to Russia safely bro
>>543236426Ya. Commoditizing guided munitions in the form of drones really changed everything. Shit like Javelins were already insanely effect rape machines, but the cost difference is just so much more warped with flying grenades it isn't funny. If Russia actually had a useful airforce, we'd probably see more anti plane drones too, since all the air defense batteries are too expensive as is.
>>543240443beep bop>>543240457>still no timestamp and fuel gauge
>>543236426Kill drones are the meta, next war the meta will probably revert to traditional warfare with counter drone weaponry making the drones useless
>>543236426How many of these people used to post on 4chan
>>543241333>with counter drone weaponry making the drones uselesswe still get to experience The Drone Wars
>>543240261>There are significantly more drones than there are people to fly them.Just offer csgo gamers free starlink and free xbox controller if they log in for 6 hours a day flying drones
>>543238162>drone just sits there to be shotThat drone could have charged that lumbering shotgun piece of shit and destroyed it.
I'm surprised it took both sides this many years to realize that a multi-million dollar tank can be destroyed with a $200 toy drone strapped with explosives.Now they're just going all in on drones, rockets and air defense.
>>543241333Nah, next step is self-replicating inhalable nanobot swarms that lodge in your lungs and body cavities and wait for a kill signal to slice you up from the inside like Ebola based on your assigned unique human identifier number
>>543241842>drone just sits there to be shot>That drone could have charged that lumbering shotgun piece of shit and destroyed ityea thats a simple recon example, heres a better one thats more what you're thinking
>>543238162>They can be charged from the wireless power signals being emitted by the 4/5G telecom networksRadio frequency harvesting only works for microscopic electronic components, not for drones.
>>543237679Yes. War is sadistic and cowardly.
>>543240000Not really much different from sending a barrage of self guided cruise missiles and you wind up with the same physical issues too.
>>543240000>check 'emBecause drones are a meme.
>>543238986>all got droned in 4K>Only a few dozen videos at bestLol, lmao even. That's less than 0.1%.
>>543242323>only a few dozen videosTry thousands of videos. Have you been living under a rock the past four and a half years?
>>543237593they don't even drop nades anymore bro, that's ancient tech nowadays they fly a drone straight up your ass and have it explode inside
>>543241293Put up yours, and I'll pull my pants back on and go start my porsche for you.
>>543242602recon drones get a few darts to drop just in case, but otherwise yea its what you just said coming toward the location of what the recon drones is watching - some recon motherships drop drones ready to go...
>>543236426Funny ukrainian pigs dying in their native environment!
>>543237227To hold a line. They can't advance on the ground if there are some poor saps with trenchfoot ready to fire an RPG. Russians are more the ones I'm confused about throwing people into the meat grinder.
>>543242753Oh now you're trying so hard and pretending you have a porsche lmao. Cringe!
>>543243163It's a cheap one. So you're not going to get off your ass while demanding others do, huh? Figures.
>>543236426seems a bit excessive of an explosive for antipersonnel
>>543243229>It's a cheap oneI figured
>>543239617Arma Reforger has convincing drone warfare.https://youtu.be/ohZToAJx89k
>>543243256I thought you figured I don't have one at all lol.
>>543242115I've seen proof of concept for ones that can latch onto power lines and inductively charge, but not useful in a warzone with no infrastructure though.
>>543238053After seeing that I fully want Ukraine to lose
>>543237929>>543238901The future of warfare will be distributed guerilla groups in enemy cities periodically unleashing massive FPV drone swarms that destroy public infrastructure and LE personnel. A nation cannot manufacture drones if it cannot collect taxes and its its medical and security infrastructure are being constantly attacked. I'm really interested to see what a guerilla war fought with this tech would look like. Hezbollah's recent actions are interesting, but I want to see it in a more urbanized environment. I have a feeling you could collapse a state quickly with just a few hundred operators and a few thousand drones.
>>543243294Not really showing any russian drones though. Both sides are escalating and copying the tactics the other uses because they both have suppliers for drone manufacturing.
>>543243635>Hezbollah's recent actionsname one
>>543243956The recent events during the last Israeli invasion of Lebanon? I mean, its not on the scale I'm theorizing though. I'm thinking more along the lines of a bunch of somewhat competent, possibly state supported, dissidents in the West, Russia, the Mideast or east Asia using these tools to target infrastructure like airports, power plants, key trains, and ports. Think of what a swarm of 2000 drones could do at O'Hare or Frankfurt for example? Could easily destroy 200+ airliners, causing tens of billions in damage and thousands of causalities in about two or three hours of droning.
>>543239421>Drones don’t hold landhe doesn't know....
>>543236426Both sides have made little progress, they were in trenches fighting.If either does gain land, they'll never report at what cost.
>>543244171>The recent events during the last Israeli invasion of Lebanon?That wasn't recent love. Hezbollah hasn't done anything in months, same as Hamas.
>>543236426Russians have a fuckton of tanks ready for the great offensive, these deserter execution videos from Ukrowood change nothing
>>543244666>Russians have a fuckton of tanks ready for the great offensivewhere?
>>543237286How can a deserter being executed defend itself with ordinance if everything useful has been taken for him and he's only given a Russian cosplay?
>>543244685Behind the lines, drilling for months now
>>543244800How do you know this? Surely you would never make stuff up on the internet like some chink who fled China and won't go back...right?
>>543244867Well, keep propagating whatever narrative of the week Ukranda is selling and act all shocked in 6 months to 2 years when "suddenly" mighty NATO fails once again
>>543236426they still use spotter drones , howdo you think those analog shit cameras find anything? tanks are still used but they hide them in treelines and cover them with shit . they are used as static positionsassaults are made by 2 man teams that are sent suicidally to see if they can advance some meters and stay there (alone)
>>543244952How do you know what you said and why didn't you say?
>>543244971>analog shit camerasthey're not analogy bro. why would you think something so stupid as this? you think drone cameras record to film?
>>543245210>analogylook im way too dumb to understand the fine details but there are 2 types of cameras for drones, analog (they werethe first fpv cameras, are open source and have shitty quality, they dont use resolution but Television lines (TVL) and were based on security cameras ) they are way cheaper for that and thats whats used in kamikazes. and digital thats propietary so its way more expensive and those use resolution , those are mostly used in droppers and spotters and can be ultrahigh 8k with zoom or augmented by ia , all kind of crazy shit
>>543245618dawg its 2026 everything is digital
>>543245210>>543245677They're analog, hence all that fuzz and the usual interference patterns. https://www.getfpv.com/learn/fpv-in-depth-and-technical/analogue-fpv-video/
>>543245210Analog as in analog video, like pre-2005 TV. It's used in FPV drones due to lower latency since there's no analog to digital conversion adding lag
>>543245618>look im way too dumb to understand the fine detailsstopped reading there then>>543245803no dumbass, they're not analog and you don't even understand what the word means>>543246308>Analog as in analog video, like pre-2005 TV.yes, and they're not that
>>543246308also you can modulate analog signal on whatever Hz and have it be different day by day avoiding jamming, while digital packets also require a protocol
>>543246308 Anonymous (ID: bpU1KcfG) 09/25/26(Fri)00:01:11 No.543247136>>543246308The retard looked up some article and saw that the guy who wrote it explains analog as being cameras that use physical film to record footage and went full retard trying to die on this hill he imagined in his mind. Because the retard didn't double check to see the article was a camera article about making photos instead of video feeds.Analog video cameras use electromagnetic waves produced by a sensor system instead of imprinting things on film
Archers used to be the most hated enemy back then. When an archer was caught, his middle and index finger would be cut off so he couldn't fire any more.Do you agree that drone operators should have their middle, index and thumb cut off?
>>543247245the V hand sign is there to show you still can fire
>>543247245>Archers used to be the most hated enemy back then.Losers always hate effective enemies, and resort to moral fagggotry when they cannot defeat them outright.
>>543236426> The first couple years of the war were kino as fuck.No they werent it was sad watching people blow eachother up, watching people be helpless as their legs look like the skin and flesh was unzipped around them and it was spilling out was gruesome and dark. Not “kino”
>>543247185There are also film motion picture cameras which he might be thinking of but that doesn't matter. The term "analog" isn't really correct for film in my opinion as it was originally used to describe electrical signals that haven't been converted to digital (like analog video or raw signals from a sensor). The term "analog" ended up being applied to film later where people wanted a term for "not digital"
>>543247245They should be made into eunuchs
Can't we just skip the death and destruction parts and have future wars be fought in milsim video games instead?
>>543236426>>543236710I LOVE HOW RUSSIANS & WEIMERIMUTTS ARE REALIZING ALL THEIR JEWISH TECHNOLOGY ISN'T GOING TO SAVE THEM XD
>>543237227GOTTA SEND THE GOYIM INTO ENDLESS MEAT WAVES THE GOYIM ARE RETARDED AND WILL LISTEN TO THEIR JEWISH PAYMASTERS IN RUSSIA & AMERICA MANY SUCH GOLEM ZOMBIES >>543237286GOOD LUCK SHOOTING A DRONE RAJEET LARPING AS A WHITE LEAF // CANADIAN
>>543243432They're doing God's work of getting rid of the invasive vermin species that ziggers are. You should get rid of yourself too, you subhuman waste of space.
I'LL GIVE IT TO THE RUSSIANS & UKRAINIANS THEY ARE GETTING DRAFTED HOWEVER WEIMERIMUTTS SIGN UP WILLINGLY THEY VOLUNTEER TO DIE FOR ISRAEL FOR FREE... IT'S EVEN WORSE XD Russians Americans You didn't learn from Austria Hungary... Retards XD Mixed Race Armies... FAIL
>>543247537AGREED ADOLF HITLER WAS RIGHT THERE IS NOTHING OF VALUE DYING ON THE RUSSIAN SIDE. AT ALL XD
>>543237047Imagine thinking technology is your friend.
>>543237679Artillery officers in WWI were often forcibly kept in front line trenches by friendly infantry.
WEIMERIMUTTS RUSSIANS YOU'VE BEEN REAL QUIET SINCE THE SUPER SPECIAL MILITARY OPERATION AGAINST UKRAINE // IRAN IS ISRAEL GOING TO SAVE YOU AND PULL YOU OUTTA THE FIRE? MOSCOW IS BEING BOMBED DAILY -1,000 WIEMERIMUTTS LOST + ALL BASES IN THE MIDDLE EAST DAMAGED OR INOPERABLE BEST PART IS THE SAUDIS PAPER TIGET LOSING 25% OF YEMEN TO FLIP FLOP MOUNTAIN MEN WITHOUT HIGHER EDUCATION... TOP KEK
>>543237047>> Machine Gun Operators Are Cowards >> Sniper Rifle Operators Are Cowards >> Artillery Men Are Cowards >> Bombers Are Cowards >> Everyone With New Technology Are Cowards NUH UHH KASH PATEL SHITSKIN WEIMERIMUTT I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I XD
>>543237679IKR THE WEIMERIMUTT CANNOT COMPREHEND THEIR OWN STUPID BULLSHIT WEIMERIMUTTS LACK FRONTAL LOBES MANY ARE SPICS, NIGGERS, RAJEETS, AND OTHER MYSTERY MEATS. KEK
>>543236584there are still tanks operational off course. they need our flak tanks for air defense.
>>543243635> I have a feeling you could collapse a state quickly with just a few hundred operators and a few thousand drones.Easily. At a pre arranged time each operator could conduct a few strikes on substations. Instant nation wide paralysing blackout and not enough time to get new transformers installed before the cities implode into hell. If you have excess dudes and drones you can delete value civilian value targets on top too. Jumbo jets sitting in airports, ships at port, dock cranes, those giant fuel storage tanks, pretty much whatever that is sitting in the open with a big price tag on it really. It would be devastating. I’m kind of surprised substations don’t have giant cope cages already.The only way to prevent this is an insane police state and total lockdown of the r/f spectrum. The future fucking SUCKS man.
>>543247716You wouldn't even need to blow anything up.You could just hack traffic lights for four hours and DC would collapse.
>>543239421The way things work now one day one side's drone swarm gets particularly nasty and dense and deep in the middle hiding inside all that electromagnetic and AI-driven kinetic violence a small band of desperates run out of one building to another 600 meters away and start building a new base in it. They don't carry machine guns since that building was pre-cleared, instead they lug food and water and generators and electronics.>>543236426Its still dangerous and still war. I don't think its even degenerated. Evolution. Progress. From now on these bastion edge lodgments will clump up to minimum viable but also disperse to exceed blast radius. They will be alternately established or eliminated. Island-hopping war.
>>543236426Most of the apc and ifvs Ukraine received have been blown to bits, a lot of Russia's inventory and stock has also been blown up. Russia is keeping the remaining stock in reserve for potential anti drone upgrades that are now being field tested with some promising results, but not good enough against larger quantities of drones. I don't think that protection against smaller drones will make armored vehicles all that viable though, rather you'll just see more expensive jet like variants of drones being used like geran. Those are more expensive but its still like 20-25 gerans for 1 armored vehicle in terms of cost and that's not accounting for the crew. The small anti infantry drones are even more of a hassle since infantry still doesn't have a lot of options to deal with them. I don't see that changing soon either.
Don't you spammers have /uhg/ and /chug/ for your now absurdly gay and boring conflict that was cool a few years ago only?
>>543247815Correct Weimerica is on the verge of collapse anyways I am going to laugh so fucking hard watching a Spic Nigger Foid army run by Kikes & Shabbos in D.C. 3000 miles away try to hold the U.S.A. together as the economy collapses The only thing preventing Helter Skelter Is the economy atm As Dr. William Luther Pierce stated
>>543247880Shut the fuck up Rajeet living in AussieAussieAussieOiOiOi You don't even have a country anymore Chinks. Rajeets. Abos. Fucking basket case of a nation. Economic LARP zone. Incel XD
>>543247716With enough explosive material you can blow up dykes and dams here and ruin this country if you wanted to. But this is very costly. >>543243635> fpv needs fiber optic and the thread makes it very traceable. You only have the surprise element with this, as with any terror action. I don't see this as being much different than using regular explosives with a detonator at range other than that it's easier to reach certain targets. Cheaper and slower drones will get intercepted if you fly them over military bases.>>543242602Its shit since the grenade often misses.
>>543237047The new snipers. And they were regarded the same way
>>543239965>still believes war is about moneyIt is about killing the goyim. Money is just a tool used to kill the goyim.
>>543238091Look at this triggered zogbot lmaooo
>>543247871russia lost only 800 tanks irreversably, majority of its tank vehicle fleet is getting major upgrades. i think they produce and upgrade from 1500 to 2000 tanks per yeartanks will be used again after active protection system against drones is createdcold war vehicle fleet stokcpile is a meme, a lot of vehicles there required major repair. war have shown that russians tank design is the best, much better than western, especially if we take newest models like t-90ms. in the same time IFV (bmp-1,2,3) are outdated/obsolte for drone war, they were manufactures for previous types of wars, russia lost only small part of that vehicle flee, but they stopped to use them (even bmp-4) because they outdatedwestern cold war tanks are mostly obsolte (leopard2, challenger and so on - deathbox) due to the same reason - they were made for past wars, majority of ifvs are also outdated/obsolte, hovever one of cold war IFV designs (50 yeard old design - bradley) was proven to be successfull "battle taxi"evolution shows where to move by killing inefficient designs
>>543236426The only good part about FPV drones is if the operator isn't a piece of shit death is usually instant. You just get turned into red paste, better than slowly bleeding out in no man's land.
>>543237227>>543237286Here is the correct answer
>>543236426You never see tanks anymore because war is now gay.
Ukraine uses drones to compensate for the lack of men. It's very effective. No need for tanks.
>>543240343Drive around and get blown up so the NATO commanders can watch it all unfold in real time and find out what not to do themselves. All it cost was Ukrainians
>>543248233and crossbowmen before that
>>543241766This season of robot wars has really improved on the last
>>543236426im surprised they still did not figured out how to fuck up with drones...drones are fucked without propellers, take 5m long stick and smash it in the propeller from a distance... 5m telescopic fishing rod is light and easy to fuck up the drone......
>>543236426Holy shit to die in a bombed-out church like that. Absolute kino in the literal sense, like something from a movie. Muh symbolism.
>>543249997their positions are destroyed by glide bombs and artillery, that is the most efficient counter measure
>>543247185These drones (and civilian racing drones) are using PAL/NTSC analog video - it really is like old school TV from antenna days.
>>543237469Russians post tons of footage, but it all gets banned on major platforms, so that you can only see Ukraine winning.
>>543236426>It's been a strange experience to see a war degenerate before your eyesif you had been paying attention since 2016, it would be even stranger to see tanks ever be used again at all since 2016 when drone warfare truly kickstarted
>>543236584Look at this russian shill immidiatly deflecting to Bradleys when losing over 10k machinery confirmed with photos. Where armata?
>>543239965>until one side says "okay please stop" and that's thatExcept russians are retarded so they will rather eat shit than admit that they were wrong
>>543237639Because it isn't war, it's business negotiations with military grade violence as a backing argument.
>>543251221russian loses are 15 times smaller than ukrainianrus also have 4:1 superiority in drones over ukrmajority of damage is done by bombs, aritllery and so on, drones are good against vehicles and unprotected infantry in short range, but they are useless against fortificationsfurthermore russians were pioneers in medium range drones, they created them 10 years earlier than west (dyring syrian war) just with purpose to destroy enemy artillerybtw most modern russian tanks can already hold 40+ hits from drones
>>543251448Yes and then they unleashed darth vader on those xoxols and everyone clapped the end
>>543239421A shielded drone won't really care about EMP. EMP works on wired electronics because of the wires acting as antennas.
>>543237227Drones are fast but have batteries which die quickly on the move, humans are slow but have no batteries and can sit in trench for as long as they can maintain homeostasis.
>>543251502offense - drones destroy logistics and vehicles- russian infiltration teams move forward and spot ukrainian position- main forces envelop city from flanks- ukrainian infantry is bussified so they cant oppose russian infantry- artillery and bombs destroy fortifications- valuable specialists and officiers are evacuated, nafo infantry is left to die- survivors are killed by drones and infantry- russia can move artillery close because ukraine does not have artillery anymore ( it had 4th biggest arsenal in the world ) due to lancet drones and counter artillery- ukraine cant make counter offensive or send reinforcementsdue to cost, city fallsdefense- ukraine announces counter offensive- russians restreat to defence position- drones control the map lol and spot enemies- russians are waiting for multiple waves of ukrainian bussified infantry - drones destroy vehicles, artillery destroys hiding spots- survivors are killed with different meanssomething like thatso artillery, fortifications, firepower and bombs rule the battle, in future all cities will be fortified like in warhammer40k
>>543236426war is so normalized for you goyim it's insane
>you never see tanks anymoreWhy would I deliver my own metal coffin to the enemy when I can sit back behind the lines and pilot drones?
>>54325119610k and 1.5 millionAns russia still winning?LmaoMore money to cocaine sniffer kraut
>>543251882And with their lead in medium range drones, they had this ready years ago which is why the war ended in two weeks.
>>543252040russia had 10x overkill against armor and artillery before the start of war, drones made it 100xreality showed again that its all about manpower and fortificatios just like it was during last 6000 years lolso war will end when russia depletes krainian mapower to the point when its impossible ot hold any fortifications (enemy base)so far ukraine lost more than 2 mln dead and heavy woundedrussian deep strikes will destoy ukrainian economy, now europe needs to pay 200 bln instead of 100 per year to maintain it , but they will not make fortresses fall automatically
>>543246477Other way around. Digital FPV transmitters automatically change frequency after every frame to avoid interference, with the exception of HDZero which uses fixed frequencies like an analog transmitter.
>>543241860But what if you used the nano-machines to enact mind control?
>>543250054wouldve been safe if he just kept the fucking door closedrussians all mustve been raised in a barn
>>543245677digital still suffers more from jamming because the data gets encoded in binary leading to greater distortion and lost frames when the signal is degraded
>>543237679eh, I get what you're trying to say, but Drone warfare isn't anything like traditionally artillery/ordnance.It completely changed modern warfare, and the top generals and strategist are completely stumped and still don't really have any good ideas on how to effectively fight against it.
>>543238129they have pocket sized solar panels that can definitely charge a drone for atleast 24 hrs while it idles waiting for a target.
>>543239617>There should be 10+ modern warefare movies out there and at least 2~3 games.Arma Reforger had very realistic Ukraine war servers but they depend on tons of mods and I don't know if those are still being being maintained.There is also an early access game called Bodycam that does Ukraine trench warfare and drones really well. You can even hook up a real RC controller now and it has gained attention as a training tool for drone pilots. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0fvbzgnVO2Yhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwkjwMOAB_4
>>543252851An analog transmitter can be jammed simply by running another analog transmitter on the same frequency. The signal is unencrypted so the receiver doesn't know which which video is the real one.
>>543253198Yes, but I was merely stating why you'd still use analog, when you encounter jamming on analog you get snow static, whereas on digital you can lose frames and pixels.
>>543252288you can be fortified all you want they will just drop a tactical nuke on your ass
>>543251196>>543247671>>543238091Browns will be genocided in ww3
>>543237047that trans girl operating that drone belongs ontop of you
>>543236426total zigger death
>>543237714>closes door behind him>nothing personal, drone
>>543249477>2 more weeks until triumphant tank returngot it, Sergey!
>>543239617drone warfare actually kills fps and battle royale games as a genre so they want to pretend it hasnt happened
>>543239965>It's just that kike industries make money supplying the dronesThere are quite literally almost 0 jews in China, Anon.
>>543236426Why even send people into the drone kill zone at this point.
>>543256564they dont report their dead andthen collect their salary
>>543247620are you well in the head? have you ever had sex?
>>543247871And still the German military complex gets billions of Euro for outdated and overpriced tanks from our government...
>>543251196>Armatais completely obsolete and therefore won't be built in any numbers. As are all MBTs. Only KMW is still selling their clowntanks to Pistorius and the boomer gang.
>>543237227>Russians>People
>>543236584They're being used for long range shoot and scoot fire support from concealed positions, mostly. But that isn't terribly exciting and the Russians don't really post clips like "here's this tank we found that was shooting at us but it got away" so they don't show up in the public eye very often any more.
>>543239617realistic drone warefare on a computer screen would be absolutely dogshit. a computer screen already limits your possible field of view by like 80 fucking percent, you have to crank the fov UP to compensate for that, and what does that do? make objects in the distance even smaller, ergo, a drone that might be recognizable at 500 feet is 1 pixel on your computer screen. it would be so incredibly gay, OR you have to nerf it to such an extreme extent its not recognizable as drone warefare at all
>>543240000Checked that needs high capacity carrier drones that carry other drones to cover the distance
>>543236710lmao all these seething replies
>>543237047>arrow operators are sadistic cowardslmao kys
>>543239421>>543251663>>543247828I love reading your own admissions to how vastly superior I am to you. You are like insects compared to me.T. The Robot King
>>543251875>as long as they can maintain homeostasis.which aint long
>>543244781 lmao
>>543236426There should be nationalized battle robots but anyone who has used a robot on a human being should have their entire bloodline deleted.
>>543237047based
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>>543253769they use trannies to do this because you are disposable and easily manipulatedthe PTSD that is gonna hit you in 5 years will be 100000000000% the amount of psychological damage to finally push you over the edge so you off yourself and rid society of yourself
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>>543260447thanks nigger, get zapped like them fuckin fags in paradise and lahaina
>>543247245They should have their eyes gouged out if caught, they can't operate drones anymore.
so if tanks and heavy machinery are incapable and people are obviously useless for storming borders why do ukraine and russia keep kidnapping and killing their people in the millions? does russia feel that by contracting the number of hungry mouths it can better weather automated war in the age of climate collapse?
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>>543242323There's far more than a dozen, but nowhere near 10k
>>543260799>>543260144>>543260154
>>543237286It helps but isn't too reliable, all it takes is one missed/ineffective shot or jam and you are gone. Even olympic level shooters struggle with that shit.
>>543241272>see more anti plane drones too,
>>543237929>, FPVs is a consistent threat but not the scariest. ItDrones produce 80-90% of vehicles and personnel casualties now
>>543240000>Why haven't there been massive drone lead offensives?Indirect fire effeciency benefits defenders. It's over 9000 times easy to spot and hit men walking over no men's land then find and destroy dugout where drone teams hide. Same thing was in the WWI when artillery easily decimated attckers at no men's land but not so eyas to deal with defenders trenches and shelters. Artillery defense was broken by tank, but drone kill tanks same easy.
>>543261033your ID glows just like your skin glownigger
>>543261184slow day moshe?
>>543236584Yea, the USA got to find out without losing any soilders, russia at like 2 million dead.Imagine, a 0 to 2,000,000 k/d ratio…
>>543251196Cope and seethe, Jew
>>543237714They signed up for that for a bucket of money
>>543236710You forgot all caps, Schmuley
>>543237639ok, comrade.
>>543251663Without wired Internet satellite, how can you guided the drones??
>>543238677no I dont think you dothere are three main modes of video transmission:analogdigitalfiber (hardline digital)the grainy footage you see from agile fpv's is an analog signal. The drone is just screaming out what it sees. Not all of the signal makes it back, thus the grain. Think of it like UDPDigital is the drone making a connection like TCP. These are the spotter drones. When the signal is lost even a little, the whole thing drops.Fiber is just digital with no drops.
>>543237047No, they're doing a job.Think of it like rodent removal - it's not glamorous but it's necessary, no one wants to be overun by rats or vermin. I'm talking about the Ukranian side obviously; the Russians that target civilians with drones are degenerate subhumans that deserve the ultimate punishment.
>>543237286>Wouldn't bird shot defend these guys pretty well at a relatively low cost?Possibly ? Cost effectiveness in this conflict is different for both sides though - I could see the ukranians investing money and research into some kind of hand held drone defense certainly, think it less likely on the Russian side since they don't place a high value on human life at all, Russian troops are more or less expendable.
>>543238162>using a sledgehammer to play pool
>>543236426Oh yeah, what tanks have the drone operators inside with all the controls and they outfit the main cannon to a larger bore to shoot drone clusters with a wifi receiver, aka mothership
>>543262850>>543263070You're not fooling anyone.You hohols are even easier to spot than jeets.Get back to Ukraine and fight, you cowardly jew hohol.
>>543236426why are these retards still not equipped with net guns
>>543260846You need a 5-mile deep zone of terrified meatbags otherwise the drone flyers can spend all day hunting for their opps. If the meatbags are left alone they can flush out the opps too.War is fun.
>>543236426Antenna and right frequency should be enough to stop the fans/propeller or whatever the blades are called on those things, even ones controlled with fiber cables.
>>54323684030 seconds of terror then lights out vs winning and watching woke marxist trannies conquer everything anyways
>>543236584This comment really triggered proper shill flood.So what happened to those vehicles? Also do they even have enough fuel to sustain their needs?
>>543236840Yea all they had to do is to close the doors. Apparently they don't understand the concept of leaving wide open entry being bad strategy
>>543247645All true?
>>543236584300 Bradleys and 33 Abrams total have been sent to Ukraine. Compared to the entire military legacy of the Soviet Union and Russia kek
