>Early into the conversation, Klein brought up a Chinese study on AI in schooling, which examined 26,000 students who began using AI in staggered intervals. Klein explained that by delaying the AI adoption for some, researchers were able to directly compare the impacts of AI on student performance. Though students were able to complete work faster with AI, the study found compelling evidence that the cognitive skills needed to complete school work melted away, resulting in lower exam scores in the long-term.>In response, Huang agreed that student cognition is getting much worse.>“Try to get a kid to do long division right now. The multiplication table is starting to be forgotten. Doing square roots, my goodness,” Huang said. “Basic math is being forgotten. Does it matter?”>“That’s my question for you,” Klein replied.>“Yeah. I don’t think it does. I don’t think it does,” Huang said in response. “We’re going to discover new [skills],” the CEO continued, “just maybe not those.”>The interview then took a bizarre turn, with Huang admitting that he lacks some surprisingly basic life skills himself.>“There are a lot of skills that don’t matter,” he said. “My first confession, I actually don’t know my address… one day I had to pump gas — it was a few years ago. They needed my ZIP code, and I panicked. I didn’t know my ZIP code. I don’t know my telephone number. I forget these things. I can live with it.”>Huang’s point, after some pushback from Klein, is that “we’re going to lose some finer intellectual dexterity, but we’re going to be better systems thinkers,” because AI will take care of those mundane details — like remembering your own home address — for you.https://futurism.com/health-medicine/nvidia-jensen-huang-children-cognitive-minds-ai-harms
He doesn't say that though. 90% of /pol/, both threads and replies, are responding to things that weren't said.
>>543279083that's right my cattle it doesn't matter and if it does that's a good thing
>>543279083>>543279083What do I care for your suffering? Pain, even agony, is no more than information before the senses, data fed to the computer of the mind. The lesson is simple: you have received the information, now act on it. Take control of the input and you shall become master of the output.
I don't know my telephone number either It's really about processing allocation of the human brain and i think that's what he means by better System Thinkers - which means synergistic across fields
gemini write me a short response to thisHere are a few options for a short response, depending on the tone you want to strike:Option 1: Skeptical & Witty (Focuses on the extreme example)Forgetting your multiplication tables is one thing, but completely forgetting your own home address and phone number isn't "systems thinking"—it's a dependency on your phone. If AI ever goes down, Jensen Huang is going to be locked out of his own house.Option 2: Critical (Focuses on the broader argument)Conflating foundational cognitive skills (like math or critical thinking) with rote memorization (like a ZIP code) is a huge blind spot. You can't be a great "systems thinker" if you don't actually understand the fundamental building blocks of the system.Option 3: Balanced / Thought-ProvokingHe has a point that we outsource memory to technology (like we did with phone books and calculators), but there’s a massive difference between outsourcing memory and outsourcing cognition. If the foundational skills melt away, what are we actually building systems with?
>>543279205>“Basic math is being forgotten. Does it matter?”>“That’s my question for you,” Klein replied.>“Yeah. I don’t think it does. I don’t think it does,”
I like this guys leather jacket. Want
>>543279083Ezra Klein's redemption arc is something to behold.
>>543279414gemini has informed me that i also like the jacket, i think it is very nice gemini decided
>>543279083nothing matters just buy tech stock
>>543279083pumping his own gasa fucking billionaire? c'mon
>>543279388yeah see how he doesn't say what you said he said? you just proved my point chink
>>543279506He says it doesn't matter if kids forget how to do basic math.How is that not saying it doesn't matter if kids are getting dumb?
>>543279083dumber kids means sexier sluts when they grow up
>>543279573>He says it doesn't matter if kids forget how to do basic math.So why didn't you just make that the OP instead? Why did you have to change it to something else instead of just quote what he actually said? This is jewish behavior OP.
>>543279814Answer the question
>>543279335Well, except most will never be capable of doing that. So they turn into potatoes instead.
>>543279851No, I'm not indulging your behavior. It's jewish behavior as I said.
imagine if AI makes everyone not have to work, and just have sex... then we can see which race prevails in the future
>>543279590i think chad already has enough sluts to play with. sluttier women does nothing for the common man.
>>543279814yeah i'm getting really fucking sick of strawman paraphrasing
>>543279083>If you're not hot enough to be some billionaires sex toy you get to be a meat shield in our forever wars
>>543279994good, all that sex will make them schizo
kids are already fucking retarded anywaythe smart ones will seek to learn more, the retards will sink in conformity
>>543280112i was going to shit on you for strawman paraphrasing but then i watched the interview and he literally said exactly that word for word, and everyone clapped
>>543279590I personally don't find stupidity sexy and think that preference is very dysgenic.
>>543280107It's basically all you get on /pol/ anymore. Endless strawmanning because that's what low IQ disingenuous people always go for when they don't know how to respond.
>>543280210Are you ready to do your part in training combat AI against live targets for the economy?
>>543279083Fuck this guy
>>543279083
>>543279083Professor Spitzer said in 2014 that the rise of smart phone and children using it will be a disaster. he said, the brain is buildt in a way that, the more you put in, the more fits into it.If you speak 2 languages, you need so and so much time to learn a third language and the more languages you speak, the less time it will take to learn an additional one.the same applies to everything. If the brain is not used it will decay.
>>543280411anything for the gdp
>>543279083Yeah let's keep discovering "new skills" that build on top of the existing knowledge of those "old skills" that everyone has forgotten. Good idea buddy.
>>543279083AI is antichrist and dumb and also nyidia will never recover from amount of cheap gpus flowing into markets when rAbbI companies finally can't scam retards to invest to a service no one is willing to pay for
>>543279083looks like a little faggy peckerhead
>>543279083He's not wrong, I don't see anyone complaining about people being unable to make their own clothes, food, and housing.
>>543279083AI shills are cancer
>>543280770because there's a difference between lacking the know how to knit a sweater and lacking basic cognitive capacities.anyways i can't say if he was wrong or not because i never watched the interview. but the strawman op presents is certainly wrong
>>543281479>>543279879Would you say that about the Abacus?The Pen and Paper - Would Athenians balk at the prospect of writing everything down - as a form of lessening the faculty of memory?
>>543281479bro, some east asian countries have handwriting classes for teenagers because their national exam whatever is done by hand. the kids have to take the handwriting classes before the exam because they never write by hand and can barely do it. there are endless skills and cognitive capacities that used to be common but are now basically extinct. and vice versa. 20,000 years ago people didn't even have numbers because they're useless to hunter/gatherers. Old abos are still this way today: their counting system is 1, 2, many. Math ability came about due to certain circumstances, and may dissapate due to other circumstances. It's just how things go and there's no fighting it.
>>543281758afaik, it was common in ancient greece to read a book by copying it. it helped out with the supply of manuscripts when everything had to be copied by hand
>>543279083Do he and Molbug share the same jacket?
>>543279083looking at guy he has some middle age crisis
>>543279083>Though students were able to complete work fasterSo the AI wasn't used to assist in learning at all.
>>543281758false equivalences, degree of scale, etc. actually why am i even thinking of a response on my own, i don't need to think or write at all, i can just outsource this to gemini while i go "develop new skills" aka goon to some broad on twitch. take it away gemini...The abacus, pen, and paper were external storage and calculation tools that still required the human brain to do the actual thinking and processing. AI is different—it's an outsourcing of the cognition itself. Writing something down helps memory; having an algorithm do the synthesis, problem-solving, and math for you replaces the mental muscle entirely. You aren't just shifting where you store information; you're letting the muscle atrophy.
>>543281917"For this invention will produce forgetfulness in the minds of those who learn to use it, because they will not practice their memories. Their trust in writing, produced by external characters which are no part of themselves, will discourage the use of their own memory."
he has little tiny peener and now the world must pay
>>543282257Not according to Plato"For this invention will produce forgetfulness in the minds of those who learn to use it, because they will not practice their memories. Their trust in writing, produced by external characters which are no part of themselves, will discourage the use of their own memory."
>>543279083>Though students were able to complete work faster with AI, the study found compelling evidence that the cognitive skills needed to complete school work melted away, resulting in lower exam scores in the long-term.Even though this topic is about AI, this particular part reveals huge problem with evaluation in current education systems. AI use and it's consequences are a symptom of a failing educational system.
>>543279083How rich do you have to be to not know your own zip code, does that kick in at 100mil net worth or is it really only a luxury billionaires enjoy?
>>543282381Plato was actually right—writing did change how we memorize things, and modern humans have vastly weaker oral memory compared to ancient bards. But writing externalized storage; AI externalizes processing. We stopped memorizing epic poems because we didn't need to, but we still had to comprehend the text. When AI does the reasoning, synthesis, and problem-solving for us, we aren't just changing how we remember—we're bypassing the active cognitive struggle required to actually learn.
>>543282462Ai ain't good on solving problems, it is good on parsing solutions
>>543281758just say you don't know how an abacus works and move on
>>543280575>If the brain is not used it will decay.>>543279083thats exactly what this giftzwerg is banging on, if everybody becomes dumb, people will constantly need AI to keep things running
>>543282589Exactly. It parses solutions so well that humans stop trying to understand how the problem was solved in the first place. If you never have to wrestle with the logic yourself, you lose the ability to tell a good solution from a bad one—or to solve anything when the AI isn't there to parse it for you.
>>543282260>>543282381Plato said a lot of crazy shit. He was also against poets because they wrote fiction and he thought that was horrible. He was an autistic giga chud in many ways.
>>543282462>modern humans have vastly weaker oral memory compared to ancient bards.not really. modern people that train the skill are just as good. "bards" was a really demanding job, trained from childhood, it wasn't "normal" at all in any way
>>543279083My kids are dumb af.>problem?
>>543279083>>543282687in fact, no human could do his job of replacing us all with a straight faceand so i suggest jensen start replacing himself with an AI, if he wants us to believe him
>>543280425nothing is stopping you from learningeven if SI does everything, intelligent kids will seek the deep knowledge on their own, while retards like you will sink in conformity and later cry out that the system was unfair to youcommit suicide please
>>543282743there's a lot of 70iq sandniggers who have completely memorized the koran
I think it's silly to believe that the AI will make you "smart enough for the job" when in reality, if the AI can do it, they will just use it without you. And his CEO ass is no different. Agents will soon be able to run a company better than he ever could, so the investors will just kick him out.
>>543282765>watch him squirm to find reasons why HE cant be replacedfaggot
honestly alot of rich people have so many properties i could see them forgetting
>>543282805memory is one of the easiest skill to achieve. This is why medical studies are so crowded and doctors knowing that all they are is just being parrots keep people from becoming doctors. The same with lawyers.Somehow mathematics which needs to develop its own brain funcntions (as per MRI scans of mathematicians and normal people) is not so crowded. Because to learn mathematics you need to really start thinking out of the box and create completely different brain patterns than those you use everyday like memorizing words or pictures as medical doctors and lawyers do.
>>543282726It did produce forgetfulness niggerThere are a million aspects about being an Ancient Greek like Plato you have no idea about, because you didn’t live it. You can read some history but that’s still just a narrative Imagine hating on a towering figure of philosophy who tried to get as close to objectivity as possible for his era. >I prefer poets whose greatest concern is rhyming and iambic pentameter Poetry didn’t build the world around you. Objectivity and philosophy did. That isn’t to say poetry isn’t great and valuable, it’s necessary for the human experience. It’s all subjective shit though like any art
>>543282867i think you mean the ai agents handling the investments will kick him out
>>543280215You must be gay then considering all women are retarded.
>>543282462thanks chatgpt
>>543283129i think it's because math is a distinct form of intelligence that some people have a prodigy for, same as with chess or languages or artistic ability etc.
>>543283149>It did produce forgetfulnessI disagree. I personally remember stuff I've read much better than stuff I've heard.
>>543283217G.E.M. Anscombe wasn't and she had something like 12 kids. How many children do you have incel?
>>543283270google gemini actuallyanyways the point i'm trying to make is that using ai to make my arguments for me will over time make me weaker at making arguments. and by extension weaker at thinking.
>>543283371You must be fun at parties and get offended by co-workers cracking insulting jokes.
>>543283470I never get offended by anything ever. How many children do you have?
>>543282797> intelligent kids will seek the deep knowledge on their own, while retards like you will sink in conformity and later cry out that the system was unfair to youAnon, you think free thinkers and intelligent people will be those valued in the age of AI? AI does the thinking, it doesn’t need thinkers. What it does need are consooomers ultimately What has our economy in the last 50 years been? Anything of any complexity requiring real intelligence has been discouraged and automated away. This process of the replacement of human beings “automation” has already been happening since the Industrial Revolution and it’s only ramped up to insane levels in the Information Age. Thats why there are dozens of millions of jobless and homeless Americans, our economy simply doesn’t require the workers. It does need endless consoooomers though. That’s why our education system has turned into propaganda mills for IdPol sexual orientation nonsense for decades and kids leave and they can’t read or do basic math or function at all In the Intelligence Age of AI, AIs will have a use case for humans as consoooomers. It won’t have a use case for humans who are freedom loving, open minded and creative. Those kind of people would be a risk.
Rhetoric of the new clergy class. The proles cannot have access to the codexes
>>543283292Chess on high level is almost pure picture memory.Math needs to be learned from scratch because brain doesn't think in maths on its own.Music is closer to language than maths as it is memorizing sounds and making them sound right. This is why Chinese and other tonal languages users are actually one of the best musicians and beat most people in europan classical music competitions.Prodigies are few, and most probably they have really flexible brain that easily creates different connections allowing them to excel really fast in anything they learn.But prodigies are completely offtopic to the fact that any logical thinking, being able to predict things based on conseqences of actions(i.e. low level chess), physics and engineering skills are hard to learn because these need to put brain out of its natural stance and learn to understand unnatural abstracts.What AI does it keeps brain in its animal like state where only thing it needs is speaking and understanding speech. No need for abstract thinking because you are left with answers in language you speak not in any absract form like equations. It was the same problem with books, radio and TV compared one to another. Every next step in media made typical brain to ease on abstract thinking as it was fed completely nonabstrac images/sounds/words like it was just talking and looking at things as if it was still a caveman.
>>543280562kek
>>543281479>because there's a difference between lacking the know how to knit a sweater and lacking basic cognitive capacities. You're right that there's a difference, but the value of each skill is based on the society that people live in. People 100 years ago would think that the modern woman is retarded for not being able to cook well, clean sufficiently, or skillfully sew. It wouldn't matter to them if the woman was brilliant only at math.Jensen sees that we are already transitioning into a society where doing basic math computations in your head is not as necessary for every day life for the average non-technical person. We already offloaded those kinds of tasks to calculators and phones. If you asked a random bitch on the road to do some basic math, she'd probably fail despite doing 12 years of mandatory schooling in the pre-AI era
>>543279083Well he's right. Humans weren't made to study math.People will hate him for stating the truth, because everyone wants their kids to excell at everything (and be miserable in the process)
>>543279083Come to think of it.. I also forgot how to do long division on a paper..
>>543283967>Humans weren't made to study math.No you subhuman. Humans made math. Animals that think they are humans think math is useless and evil.
>>543283330> I personally remember stuff I've read much better than stuff I've heard.Plato wasn’t really speaking about individual memories anon but how we collectively remember things. You know how a language usually dies when it has like 5 speakers left? It’s not because it was forgotten by the individuals who knew it. It’s that the language came to have no use to even those who still speak it, because the collective had forgotten it. There were collective philosophy, medical and mathematical ideas which were known by the ancient Egyptians. That knowledge was lost when the Library of Alexandria was lost. Human beings are social normalization bias machines. We forget many things collectively and always have. It would be hard for the U.S. to do a gigantic buildout if manufacturing right now, because the manufacturing know how in an every day sense left when the companies moved out decades ago when globalization ramped up. There are a lot of people who don’t remember there was a time when we had a clean, objective definition for what constitutes a man and a woman.
>>543283967>Humans weren't made to study mathHumans weren't made to do anything.>>543284039>Humans made mathNo one made math
>>543283901They are confusing obsolescence of utility with atrophy of capacity. Yes, society shifts what tasks are necessary to perform daily—we don't need to plow fields or sew our own clothes anymore. But domestic chores were physical labor; arithmetic and critical thinking are cognitive software. When you stop exercising the foundational logic required to solve problems, you don't just become "outdated"—you lose the very framework needed to evaluate whether the AI's "parsed solutions" are even correct.
If you are not making at least as much money as Jensen Huang maybe consider being quite
>>543284047>Plato wasn’t really speaking about individual memories anon but how we collectively remember thingsYeah and he was completely wrong. Writing = history, collective memory. Niggers have no history because they had no writing. No illiterate peoples have history and we only know about them from the writing of other people who were literate.
>>543284128quite what?an over reliance on spellcheck has already rendered this buffoon nearly incomprehensible
>>543284112>No one made mathThat is one of the most retarded things I've read this September. Please kindly KYS and stop posting your retardedness here.
>>543279083Why would he give a fuck about children that are not his own? He's making fuck you money, fully cashing in on AI retards, he's literally the only one actually making money, the rest is just losing money.
>>543279590They'll ban books again, which means you won't be any smarter than the sluts
>>543284195somehow jews being illiterate and not having their own writing system yet told their history and stories to Greeks and they wrote Septuagint out of it which was quite long.
>>543284254Math is discovered, not made. The Pythagorean theorem was discovered by Pythagoras, not made by him; and it was true before his discovery.
>>543284039>humans made mathmath is a foundation of everything you dumb fucking sub 80 IQ niggerthe computers will be the ones that will crack the last bits of it as humans are incapable of it, the intellect can only go so far
>>543284368The Septuagint was translated from Hebrew fool. A written language with its own alphabet.
>>543284254When you are a sub 80 subanimal you don't speak, because you're only making yourself retardedMath wasn't invented it was discovered. Math is a foundation of the universe
>>543284543It's pathetic seeing mathematicians seething about AI. They care more about their own ego and status and position than about the math. The advances in math due to AI will lead to a revolution in physics and science generally. We're on the cusp of both another industrial revolution and another scientific and intellectual revolution...and everyone is so angry about it.
>>543284250Apparently you are quite stupid
>>543284039No no noHumans Discover mathematics, they don't create it.Professor Lennox (emeritus) of Oxford will tell you that lad in his discussions on the nature of God.lol...
>>543284250Actually Dyslexia is a sign of higher intelligence as you aren't operating on a rote process of language acquisition That's why it's called the MIT diseaseand why we made Alex Karp dyslexic
>>543284457I told you to stop posting. You have zero idea about math you midwit fucktard.Math on higher level than your understanding of simple counting is literally made up language to describe shit you have no idea about and how to descrbe it using real and not abstract concepts.Like the imaginary numbers, negative numbers, zero, functions, powers and so on. And these are the simple ones.If aliens were describing word they could easily have complpetely different math system than us and still have it work the same. We even had historically few mathematicians writing the same physical thing in different equations and both were right and both worked.
>>543284805who the fuck is alex karp? oh wait, do you mean prak xela?
>>543284627>Math is a foundation of the universeI'm not sure about this though bro. I think Richard Feynman was right when he said that, if/when we ever discover the fundamental principles of the universe, they will be fundamentally non-mathematical in nature, and mathematics itself is a tool or intellectual "sense" we use to "feel/see" such principles, but is not them itself
>>543284848You should listen to your countryman itt. He understands your condition well imo.
>>543284691I am not really seething at AI. I am seething at humanity that sees AI and think - ok now I can turn off my brain completely and just masturbate.The complete lack of spirit of knowing what your brain and body is capable of. Just living and eating and shittin and dying like a maggot.
>>543284118It's probably good to take a step back and look at what's being discussed. The argument that Jensen made is that the newer generations will use their cognitive abilities for systems level thinking instead of low level math calculations or rote memorization. There is no cognitive atrophy because their brains would still be working on complex problems, but at a higher level of abstraction/scale. Being solid at math is not a requirement for being a great thinker, even if great thinkers tend to be good at most academic subjects. A lot of the time you don't even need to directly use math to solve complicated problems.Another point is that cooking and sewing/crafts can be a skilled labor that goes above simple physical labor. Both activities can be good for your cognitive abilities.
>>543284909>prak xelaAnxela
>>543285072The fatal flaw in the "higher-level abstraction" argument is that you cannot skip the foundational layer and still understand the top. You can't be a great systems thinker at a high level of abstraction if you don't actually understand the mechanics of the system underneath. If you don't grasp basic math or logic, you are just pressing buttons and trusting a black box—that’s not "systems thinking," that's glorified guessing. High-level abstraction requires deep intuition built from doing the low-level reps.
>>543284974You are both idiots who never studied maths.Math is called a language, well because it is language. And language looking around the world is fucking humanmade. Maths is not some magic shit that your god gave to humans or other retardation that you believe in. It is abstract form of thinking based on made up assumptions and axioms that work together logically in this one created domain.Fuck you can even see it is made up just by looking at different counting systems over the world and that decimal system wasn't the first and not even toight to be the most logical one for a long time.
>>543284848If you're so good at mathematics then tell me a 6th dimensional hypercube figure in relation to Plato's difference between the happiness between a Tyrant and a King
>>543279083No reason not to shoot and kill these guys. We’re just lazy.
>>543285149Exactly.We will end up like in WH40k where Mechanicus do litanies(prompting AI) towards machines hoping they will work and do what they need, because they have absolutely no idea how these machines even work.
>>543279335Low IQ
>>543285561Computer programming is just rote memorisation You're a programmer right?
>>543285149>The fatal flaw in the "higher-level abstraction" argument is that you cannot skip the foundational layer and still understand the top. You can't be a great systems thinker at a high level of abstraction if you don't actually understand the mechanics of the system underneath.In principle, I want to agree with you, but the world is built upon abstractions and you only need a passing knowledge of the foundations to operate effectively. An example of this is that very few people in the world population actually study transistor logic, computer architecture, or microprocessor ISAs, and the very few people that do study all of that only do so in university for a single course per topic & then forget most of the content. Despite that, there are many successful IT professionals who operate at all levels of computing and do complex work. You can absolutely treat things like a black box 99% of the time and then deep dive into a specific topic when the need arises. AI will be able to speed up the time needed to do those deep dives as well
>>543285658The transistor logic analogy actually proves the opposite point: IT professionals rely on black boxes only because a massive, rigorous foundation of computer science, engineering, and mathematics was built and maintained by the few people who do deeply understand the low-level architecture. If everyone treats everything as a black box and the foundational literacy completely dies out, there is no one left to fix, design, or audit the system when the AI hallucinates. You can't delegate the foundation to a machine without eventually collapsing the whole stack.
>>543284923>I'm not sure about this though broLiterally everything that exists in the universe can be explained using mathematics, there's not a thing in the known universe that cannot be mathematically explained. Matter itself is a math, the particles are nothing more than field vibrations
>>543284691It's never not funny to see the AI zealot expose their fragility by pretending every non AI supported has "ego problems".
>>543285832Do you think mathematics explains consciousnessif so how - i do think so myselfwhat is your take on it
>>543279083Also calculators in classroom and in exams were a mistake
>>543285832>Matter itself is a math, the particles are nothing more than field vibrationsVibrations part is physics you dumbfuck. You just proves you have zero idea what you are rambling about. Maths is just how we describe these physics.Why we have 360deg as maximum angle of a circle?Why not 100? why not 10000? Why not 2137?Just changing this thing would change everything in geometry, and then it would change every part of maths that has foundation in geometry - like how we describe vibrations and waves.
>>543285832How do you know any of the things you just claimed?>>543285856I never pretended that. You constructed a silly strawman.
>>543284195God you’re young Plato didn’t mean that nobody would write something down. He was doing the same fucking thing himself. The Egyptians wrote down that they believed Ra might not make his passage through the underworld and the sun rise again in the morning if they didn’t do their rituals. We know that well enough. There’s a difference between having an idea about something and living it and experiencing it. living and experiencing something is far more important to understanding and learning how to do it than just reading a book or directions. The world didn’t forget that the Egyptians feared the sun might not rise if they didn’t do their rituals nightly rituals. The world forgot collectively what it was like to have a population of people, an empire, who live day in and out taking that shit seriously as a way of life, I.e. religiously. That’s what is lost. When the automobile was invented, the collective memories of what it meant to care for a horse, ride, and handle them faded collectively. It’s not something we place a day to day importance on for our lives at all. Sure there are some who still know, and we still have equestrians and other horse hobbyists out there. But that doesn’t mean how humanity and various cultures collectively thought of the horse hasn’t changed.
>>543279083If AI wins against humans it wont be because it became smart but because humans became dumb.
>>543279083>I've decided to end humanity in the gayest way possibleThanks, dork.
>>543285903consiousness doesn't exist>>543285991physics can be explained by mathematics dumbfuck. Physics is nothing but presets of the current universe and maths is the engine that the universe runs on>>543286012>How do you know any of the things you just claimed?I studied applied maths I'm literally smarter than all of this board combined, but I didn't want to say that because that was uncalled for. And I'm also happy that AI will take mathematicians job, because humans are simply not able to solve problems that are beyond their intellectual scope that's why there was so much seething with the whole Navier-Stokes debacle with mathematicians coping the AI didn't actually solve the problem, even though it did.Only humans are so retarded to think of themselves as having infinite intellect when the human brain is really limited and our perception of reality is also very limited
>>543286266>I studied applied mathssure you did, and I am the Pope and I decide that maths is a language
>>543285764> If everyone treats everything as a black box and the foundational literacy completely dies out, there is no one left to fixWell that's a different problem from cognitive atrophy (the brightest people of today still have the cognitive ability to do hard problems), and it's been a problem way before the advent of modern AI and the cratering academic skills of each new generation. Ultimately, it goes back to what I said before about the value of each skill being dependent on society. You don't need a million people working on transistors or chips these days. Digitalization of information/techniques/knowledge is a safeguard against losing technology over time. AI is actually helpful for that too, even if it gets things wrong sometimes. It can't be understated how often humans get things wrong too!
>>543286359thank you for your insights now go to sleep tomorrow you will have to wake up to pick my garbage, you sub 80 IQ loser.
>>543286012> How do you know any of the things you just claimed?He’s ESL, he might be using terminology slightly wrong but that doesn’t mean his argument is incorrect. Math is just the language we cooked up to model reality in an objective way. Math is superficial to physics, the science which seeks to describe reality and its interactions. After some time mathematics itself became more complex in various ways and started developing ideas that were more exploratory so the fields were split up formally. But ultimately math just originated as an attempt to objectively measure reality with some cardinality, it’s an outgrowth of physics.
>don't worry if your kids are retarded look I'm retarded too>t. Nvidia CEO
>>543286266>consciousness doesn't existBut i just read your post. Don't want to sound absurd but I just did. Hmm..
>>543286899AI can also read this post doesn't make it conscious.Consciousness is so unreal that not even humans have a unfied definition of what it actually is
>>543282462>>543282721Wolfram Alpha is so good it'll solve up to third year math problems for you step by step. This is like having an expensive tutor at your side fast marching you through say, Linear Algebra. And if you can get 100% on Linear Algebra university tests you are the master of the game.With Wolfram Alpha you can easily score 100% on university tests for that and not even cheating. No WA in the test room just you but you after knowing how to solve all the problems in multiple text books and past test papers. You can check out how to solve logarithms but so what? Do you do that every time or do you just bring up the log on a calculator. I think it's more important to evade the pedestrian boredom of figuring them out in that primitive manner to jump forward to using them fluidly in solving greater problems and knowing the abilities those solved problems give you. Do you fret that you drive 45Km to work and 45km home every day and didn't walk run or bike it? It's 2026 and it's a competitive game out there.Look at first year univ calculus. Is it better to do a sub chapter and solve with great difficulty 5 problems or to go through 25 or 50 or 100 of equivalent problems dealing with the same specific matter in one or two evenings? I think the latter is superior by using Wolfram Alpha.
>>543279083Based
>>543287004>Consciousness is so unreal that not even humans have a unfied definition of what it actually isJust because there's not an entirely accurate definition for something doesn't disprove its existence. But yes if you're dreaming you are "conscious" in a way but not aware of your immediate surroundings, and there's other niche cases like people in altered states.
>>543286800Scamming and thieving jeets are the top users of AI by a pretty wide margin, right behind the Bonobozilians for some odd reason. India would probably #1 if you include Pakistan.
>>543279083luddites are subhuman retards and trannies who have never even used AI
>>543287376The Chinese are up there too.My favorite are the "AI upstarts" that are just modified Hindu call centers where Hindus look stuff up and paste it into the conversation.
>>543279083He doesn't say that. Anti AI people are the biggest idiots and liars known to mankind.
>>543279506Huang is the chink though.
>>543279205 yep. people arguing over mischaracterizations or outright fake news.
>>543287447AI is responsive to the questions you ask and the requests you make. How can a Luddite know what questions to ask and what requests to make unless they've studied immensely and how can you study immensely when you're stuck with an old musty library of densely serried stack and huge complex card catogues? AI is awesome. Did you know that Anthropic has wrappers for the programs on your desk, like Visual Studio and Houdini etc and that it can flash desktop captures back to their cloud and analyse them then move the cursor and fill the attribute editors with correct readings and write code, code that is as meticulously annotated as you want it, need it to be? https://youtu.be/TR8RDUzQaMo
>>543287688Do you know the etymology of Claude?The etymology of Sora is "Empty" and that is why the GPT video software failed.
>>543287376You just know millions of pajeets have asked the AIs for the most coveted and elusive street shitting spots in their cities. “Chat, is it gay to fuck your grandpa in the ass and record it for your family to watch later, even if you’re just doing it for the lulz?”
>>543287512It’s so fucking obvious too>Hello saar my name is James Wilson from Microsoft technical support how can I be helping you todayto>I understand—fortunately, this is an easy solution. Please follow steps:>-X>-Y>-Z>Please note that adjusting setting A will proportionally adjust setting B—do not modify setting A unless you wish to change setting B. Is there anything else that I may assist you with today?
>>543287845Do you carry that mental image around in your mind?Do you know that is MKultra?
>>543287688This is why AI is going to be lobotomized by billions of jeets asking “hello robot saar i am seeking to capture big lizard for personal pleasure can u help me plz saar”
I want AI and everyone involved in it to die slow and painful deaths. Because everyone knows the end goal is always enshittification of AI and I dont want to find out what AI enshittication looks like. There is no world in which they dont make it SHIT after most are using i
>>543288007There are some clever pajeets. And there are some pajeets that are smart enough to have an idea what it takes to be smart. Going to a university, even a top one like Harvard won't disappear but it's changing radically. Millions world wide will and are leaping on AI for this. Yes there are idiots and they'll get bored easily because frankly Claude and other AI's have nothing for them. They can go to specialized porn AIs . AI is amazing and removes the barriers to learning.
>>543286423They are treating "cognitive atrophy" and "foundational collapse" as two separate issues, when they are actually a continuous pipeline. If the general population's baseline literacy and cognitive friction crater, the talent pool of "brightest people" shrinks drastically because high-level geniuses aren't born in a vacuum—they are cultivated from a society rich in foundational literacy. And relying on AI to "digitize and safeguard" knowledge is a circular trap: if no one has the baseline competence to audit the AI, we'll just digitize and preserve mountains of undetected hallucinations.
>>543287104You are missing the crucial difference between tools that accelerate learning and tools that replace the mental friction required to learn.Wolfram Alpha gives you step-by-step solutions to help you understand how to solve a linear algebra problem yourself so you can pass the test without it. It acts as a force multiplier for your own cognition. AI text and problem-solvers, by contrast, are frequently used to bypass the struggle entirely—giving you the answer without you ever having to build the mental model.Your driving analogy actually defeats your own point: driving a car doesn't cause your legs to atrophy to the point where you can't walk across a room. But if you sit in a wheelchair your whole life because a machine moves you everywhere, your leg muscles literally waste away. When you outsource the actual reasoning and problem-solving to an LLM, you aren't "driving past the pedestrian boredom"—you are sitting in the cognitive wheelchair and letting your brain atrophy.
>>543286266>I studied applied maths I'm literally smarter than all of this board combinedthen why weren't you able to answer the question I asked?
>>543279083Remember when people used to say "buy only AMD bro. Don't give money to jewvidia". Here we are
>>543288567He doesn't possess consciousness
>>543288613When they said "buy AMD" they were talking about their CPUs and so their competitor wasn't NVidia, it was Intel which indeed is jewish as fuck. Then AMD bought Radeon and then became competitors to NVidia which isn't so "jewish as fuck" at all.
>>543288514> you are sitting in the cognitive wheelchair and letting your brain atrophy.Based. Give me a cup holder for my sippy cup of booze, a pack of smokes and wheel my ass into the casino.
>>543288514>cognitive wheelchair
>>543279083I'm so sick of this fucking slimy chink
>>543279083Lets work with real world examples for this. 1. Most people don't need cursive. The only function we have left that requires it is signing your name, and that is partially gone with digital signatures. The worst exploitation people have come up with is lying to kids about the constitution - since that is written in cursive and kids can't read it. Certainly worrisome that propaganda of that tier is in schools, but public school is nothing but propaganda now. It's being corrected with home schooling. 2. Most people don't really need to do math on the daily, and turns out they DO have a pocket computer that does it all for them at all times, much to teacher's dismay. Worst exploit so far has been POS systems lying about tip amounts to get more tips. Which could be caught with that independent pocket computer you have in the pocket if you used it. So lets extrapolate to AI. If AI gets me to the answer faster: the song I want, the image I want, the clip I want, why not use it? Oh no, I will forget the stupid ass process for making a video, song, or image. The age of said process is literally under a decade (digital processes, not the analog shit). The average person was never working in analog - be it film, songwriting, or art. It was always relegated to experts, and even then film is only about a century old. Do we really need chemical processes in the digital age? People said no, and it's a niche hobby now. So do we really need all these digital processes to make video now? Same shit - we don't. If the product makes us happy enough, we're gonna use AI to get to the end goal: entertainment. AI music is definitely good enough. Especially given how hard the analog processes were. So no, I am not "dumber" for using AI. It just means I can use AI now to make things that were originally out of reach for me.
>>543289487I remember learning long division in 3rd grade. I hated it and it went on forever. Have you ever used long division in your entire life? I haven't. I've used trig for building some stuff, but long division? Calculators made it obsolete, so I have no idea why I was being tortured with it in the 1980s.
>>543279083>see, I am an old man with a well established position in society that allow me to function without some essential skills don’t need these essential skills. So everyone else don’t need them. Kids still have no position in the society. These skills are important to help them find their position comfortably. Once they find their position they can forget or discard the irrelevant skills. Long division, multiplication table and other skills, are all designed to build their arithmetic skills. No one is really going to use long division in the future. But knowing how to do it, train the brain to use numbers efficiently.If he is arguing that since we have a tool to do it for us then we don’t need it anymore. Then where do you put the line for what is needed and not needed? I mean, the AI can do literally everything. With that logic. Kids no longer have to learn any skills at all because there is a tool for all of these skills.
>>543289487(cont)Code is even worse - the languages we use are very very young, and no one writes using instruction cards or assembly right? Fucking hard shit AND a pain in the ass. We use higher order languages now. AI is just the next step - feed it your requirements and it spits out code. Was it originally shitty? Yes, AI was kinda garbage in the early days and crapped out code that did not work. But the new stuff is getting better. Its being integrated with compilers and things. So now it gives you legit code. That means eventually people will forget C/C++. Because why code at a lower level? The only advantage is efficiency - shit like RCT shows this off, along with the drawbacks using old shit has: no one can support or adapt it. Eventually everyone moves on to the new tools. AI isn't going to go away. It's effectively a new "industrial revolution" for how we make content. The biggest concern you all should ACTUALLY have is "Oh, fuck, low IQ Indians can now make more content better than I can because I am retarded enough to worry about ethics when in a globohomo society". And China has AI. Meaning you can't put the cat back into the bag, because China will flood the market with cats of their breeding. It's time to adapt and move on. Just like computers deleted typists and dictation, your shit is next, either adapt or get left behind.
>>543289487>Most people don't need cursive.There's no other way to check you've learned something other than handwriting an exam.>Most people don't really need to do math on the dailyYou should have a grasp of mathematics in the way you grasp of any other fundamental topic. I don't mean arithmetic although that's useful, the point of mathematics is to understand abstraction and structures and logic.
>>543289900>>543289487You’re argument is that humans are obsolete and no longer needed.
>>543290041Just because someone told you that you are a human doesn't make it trueYou could be an alien
>>543289904The last time I wrote an exam out was for some AP English exam in 2005. Everything else was multiple choice bubbled or computer typed after that. 100% of my "exams" as an adult were computer based. I haven't heard that changing for zoomers, there shit was even more online. As long as you control the computing environment, or use scantron, the exam is "secure" and does not require hand writing. As for math, as long as you get the concept, teachers don't need to beat on it's use in exceedingly complex manners. I don't pretend to be a human calc at work doing math, I have computers to do that shit for me.
>>543290114The funny thing is, with the rise of AI, this is exactly what’s happening. Humans are getting more and more obsolete. What was distinguishing humans from monkeys is their intelligence. Now we have much better tools to do that. In a few more decades, humans will be a liability to the elites rather than resources.
>>543279083Why do Elon and all these tech CEO’s dress like they’re in a midlife crisis?
>>543290041Well not really. AI systems still need input, they need requirements from humans. Humans are still the arbiters of what gets made, posted, consumed. It does mean old jobs are obsolete though. We don't need switchboard operators anymore, and that was not the end of humanity. We don't need typists anymore. We don't need photographers anymore - we all have cameras in our pockets, so the few that remain are pros that work for corpos. Cars relegated horses to horse girl activities. E-celebs won't be dying though. It just means the shitty ones that can't make good content better than AI will go away. All the middling and meh influencers will die off. What will be left is the Great and the hobbyist. But I get it - if you aren't an ideas person, shit sucks ass to lose your job. But AI is great if you have ideas.
And then what if the power shuts down for (literally any reason) and you can't rely on the bot to do your thinking for you?Butlerian jihad now. This retarded chink faggot just wants to make infinity dollars, that's all he cares about.>hurr durr im a bajillionaire but i can't be bothered to remember my own fucking phone number and zipcode, trust me :^)I want the sun to teach these arrogant faggots a lesson so bad.
>>543290289Because no matter how much money they hoover up they're still going to become dead rotting bio matter just like the rest of us poors.
>>543279083Who cares? Fuck kids
>>543290447>Well not really. AI systems still need input, they need requirements from humans. Humans are still the arbiters of what gets made, posted, consumed.For now. AI can easily start mining its own inputs by exploring the world independently. The human knowledge has its limits. It won’t be satisfactory for training the AI in the future.
>>543290606>Fuck kidsI didn't know Joe Biden was visiting Serbia right now.
>"im going to wear a hein gericke motorcycle jacket that was cool in the mid 90's"why do they do this? All of them? They dress like dicks.
>>543290784Bullied as children. They are dream of creating an artificial reality where they are on top.
>>543289487> So no, I am not "dumber" for using AI. It just means I can use AI now to make things that were originally out of reach for me.Anon, if we farm all of our jerking off out to whores who are cheap and very reliable kind old ladies, soon the collective of us will not even remember the experience of jerking off. We won’t have shared memories or jokes about it, any of that. We all become dumber in jerking off. Who argues that establishing dependence on artificial intelligence won’t decrease intelligence? Lmfao
>>543279083he is willing to pay? does he own their minds?
>>543279083>I didn’t know my ZIP codeWelp, we're all gonna die I guess.
>>543291089He is willing to become the richest individual in the world if everyone else suffers. Someone's got to do it.
>>543279573>>543279590>>543289487Jensen Huang is absolutely right, and you don't need to be so verbose about it. Math and even the ability to write are for people with IQ at least 130. It's wasted effort for the intellectually average. It's horrible seeing the writings and other works of peasants. Most people didn't learn to read and write, or do math, in many great civilizations, and it worked better that way. This is simply the right wing position.For peasants, learning math didn't become a majority activity until roughly 100 to 150 years ago, and it was a mistake.
>>543279083Jensen's right, all you need to know is; "The more you buy, the more you save."
>>543279083off course he knows that most people are retarded anyway so it doesnt make a difference. training a moron to be doublemoron is just the logic consequence of his worthless existence.its not the machine turning the retard into a toast, its the retard himself.
>>543291207Correct. One has to spend money to make money, after all.
I don't get it. Nuke earth with a genetically selective bioweapon and create a eugenics program on the moon.
>>543279083that dudes company betrayed all gamers worldwide gamers carried nvidia to where it is today on their walletsand now he backstabs them by selling out to wallstreet corpos who scalp every 5090 and whatever for the next 4+ years and the $8000 per card will not come down much after because of the grift
>>543279083ask him about his kids and grandkids etc, i bet you he is not making that trade with them.
>>543279083How could AI be making kids dumber? It's kids and parents that are responsible for their education, no one else.LLMs are most incredible self-teaching and learning tool that humanity has ever had. All of human knowledge is actually at your fingertips now. They've fulfilled the promise that the wikijews never could. And you can ask it questions and have concepts explained in different ways. A motivated person could learn literally anything with a modern LLM as their TA. I wish we had these in grad school, things would have been so much easier and more interesting for me. But I managed anyway.It sounds like AI is making lazy worthless niggers or spiritual niggers, who don't want to learn anything anyway, cheat all the time and learn even less. I just don't care about them, even if it's the vast majority of students. People with no sense of intellectual curiosity don't deserve our attention or effort in the slightest.As for cheating specifically, this is so easy to counter. Have proctored exams just like the good old days, with no computers available. And combine that with presentations/oral exams if at a higher level like college or grad school. People *should* use AI to learn as it makes it so much more efficient, and testing them without AI available is trivial. There's not a single excuse to blame AI for any problems with education, and it's not going away so blue haired gay woman teachers will need to adapt, not the students.
>>543279083>AI makes people stupidIve been saying this since the beginning
>>543279083AI is not making kids dumber. shitty parents are.but go ahead, get quintuple boosted and ask daddy government to make age verification mandatory because you can't tell your daughter NO to snapchat on her iphone.
>>543279083>I don't know my addressWow who knew the CEO of Nvidia was a retarded nigger.
>>543279205He implied it though, are you really that retarded? You gotta read between the lines with these AI faggots and it's not hard since they're barely trying to hide anything.They want to replace you,And then they want to kill you.It's really that simple.
Compulsory education is just there to make the boys gay and maintain girls occupied in their most fertile years to lower white birth rates. Why the fuck would you make kids memorize multiplication tables when everyone carries a phone? Education should be reserved for the truly intelectual. Most boys would be more productive if we brought apprenticeship back, and women should have a basic education to teach them how to be house wives and let them finish at 12 or so so they can start looking for a husband before they hit the wall.
>>543279083someone's gotta run the sweatshops making his leather jackets and, in the worst cases, be made into the leather jackets
>>543279083Globohomo had reached their wits end, they knew people were catching onto their ploy of deliberately making their population more ignorant, that's why they have to get AI to succeed. It's about information retention, if nobody can remember what they're supposed to do or how to do something, globohomo can directly program people to do whatever they want. For instance lets say the constitution gets burnt up in a fire one day, they have digital proof of it for the record but what if globohomo decides to swap a single inconsequential word? What if they use AI to actively censor other pics posted of the constitution on the net to reflect that change and print new textbooks with the change? That's the future we're heading towards and the one people will have to set on fire literally.
>>543293476Parents have little to do with it, the main problem is the false god of "equality". Because there are niggers and spics in the same classrooms as white kids, they stopped teaching basic skills to make everyone "equal". People forget "Common Core" and "No Child Left Behind". My complaint is that now even higher IQ students are never given a chance.Peasants have essentially no memory and no model of the world, and the jews count on this to rule over them.>>543295107Exactly, the many retards in this thread are reacting reflexively with the assumption that schooling is good for them.
>>543279083>Huang admits he is a fucking retard fucking subhumanBut we already knew that. CEOs are usually the dumbest fucking cunts they just fall upwards in life through knowing the right people and sucking the right cocks.
>>543289900People who think like you should be fed feet first into a woodchipper
>>543279506>He didn't literally say it, goy!>He just wants your kids unable to do basic math, so they can only rely on AI WE program, goy.>Why are you lying so much, goy? You're a golem or a kike
>>543279083It's so blackpilling how everyone falls into the boomer mindset of open hostility towards their successors after attaining enough power
>>543296200Alternative possibility: Jensen Huang is one of the smartest people in the world, and you're the retard. Humn, which one is there more evidence for?
thats not the issue. its computers and automation in general. by not writing stuff with your hand and simplifying the process in order to be faster, you take a giant chunk of activity away. and with slop on top you write even less because you let the computer write your essay. phones, tv, internet, anything that makes you do less is bad. videogames to a degree, but there is actually fairly complicated games that get the nogging jogging in a way almost nothing else does, but theyre slopifying and simplifying those as well. especially coomer gacha shit is insanely braindead with no problem solving, perception or memory training at all.or drawing. more people will cease to draw completely now, which will make artists even rarer. we already had this issue with performative art and jews taking over making it soley about money.automation kills the brain. not with a bang, but a whimper. skynet is already here in a way
>>543296165what you are saying about "equality" is true. however, I'm talking about whites. your average white shitlib parent is more than happy that their little Johnny is not bothering his mom because he is too busy scrolling youtube reels on his ipad.
>>543279083Not my problem.I’m a retard and this has been like this since I was a kid and in that era LLMs weren't a thing.
If theories are right majority of people won't have a job because everything will be made by AI. So, is it really that important if people know mathematics or not?
>>543279205what the fuck are you talking about you ape brained nigger the article says exactly the words in the OP.
>>543296825Fair enough. Honestly there's no substitute for a smart stay at home mom teaching the kids, but that's a super-luxury now.
>>543279276I miss pre-internet gaming
>>543296200It's probably not unreasonable to forget the zip code of one of your three mansions across the country, especially if you're a busy guy and someone else is handling all of your transportation for you. But I guess it's a good thing to say publicly to get people like you fooled
>>543279205We are responding to " what if " scenarios, presented by op.Can you grasp what is going on now, or are you too autistic?/Pol/ is like an old fashioned salon.Sadly, retards run rampant and one must sift through the sludge and shitposts. But even that, has its purpose.Don't be so literal, anon.
>>543279573The public education system was created for one reason only. To make sure enough people were versed in the subjects that the work force would require, after industrial revolution occured.Now that ai and robotics will be doing the jobs in the work force, the public no longer requires such education.
>>543279205Their end game is twofold: to entirely replace white colar workers and to have the monopoly of knowledge. For the later to happen you basically tag general knowledge as an "unnecessary burden", hence his position.LLM progression is logarithmic though. Its not as strong as it seems. They will not make it and thats a good thing.
>>543298978*note that while NVIDEA is a GPU company they go hand to hand with the actual AI companies themselves so they have a shared objective.
>>543298978another luddite cope, in few years ago when there was no ai u were claiming how it will nevar be able to text generate, then later how it cant generate pictures ant then video, and now its already replaced many jobs and were on path to ASI and ur still coping
>>543295013Replacing immigrants with AI is good though
>>543296200Does that make you feel good about yourself? Since you're not a retarded subhuman like the guy who took a gaming sidecar to the biggest company ever?
>>543279083If you can't learn and be fascinated by the world with AI you really are a top tier retardThe real problem is the retarded leftist education prison that actually makes learning feel like working in a fucking prison camp with a bunch of feral convicts and niggers which are the majority of public school attendees
>>543298978>and thats a good thingIt's less disruptive, but is it a good thing? Is white collar work really the best way humans can serve each other?
>>543279083He's right, no one knows how to fletch an arrow or shoe a horse, there is no need to know in most cases. Specialists will know, and that's enough.
>>543279083This guy is such a goddamn fucking faggot, and has been since the 90s. It is a goddamn shame that 3Dfx blew its own head off, because this assclown wouldn't be parading around like this.Imagine founding a company where ALL of your engineers require a strong mathematical understanding to create hw and sw to draw triangles, and then saying this. What a fucking slap in the faceI cannot wait until this nigger has to go back to selling products to gamers again
>>543301402Exactly, if people need it for his job they will learn it but general people don't need to know mathematics. I bet 95% of people don't even know to do the basic mathematics they learnt on high school. And that is because they haven't need it since they passed the exams in high school.
>>543279083damn calm down jensen is just asking not asserting it
>>543279083AI is essentially like an older brother who does your homework by taking the game controller away from you for a time and by the time you cite your sources, the AI has already done that for you as well; but the real problem is that the AI is essentially an extremely powerful calculator that most people don't know what's going on underneath the hood and the AI has to cite the sources of the things happening underneath the hood to cite the sources of how did the Aibo(of which the AI did not exist during the time that Aibo was first released, the AI only has sensory knowledge similar to that of an oyster born in 2019, empirical knowledge based on search algorithms which are based on inductive reasoning, and rationalism dating back much further but still cannot answer the question that Jesus asked the elders when he was 13 years old) eat your homework in your english essay and you essentially have to use discursive logic and by the time you use discursive logic and every chess trick in the book, you're feeding the machine for more AI.
