You know society is fucked when Islam has the most nuanced opinion on something. Most people either fall into the camp of supporting late second trimester and even third trimester abortions or they believe you become a human being at conception and that all instances of abortion are murder. How did we get from the Aquinas and Aristotle view on ensoulment being the dominant consensus thought in Western society to this level of idiocracy?
>>543279805>islam is rational
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>>543279872On the issue of abortion, yes.
>"God told me that fetuses don't have souls before the 120 day mark">It must be true because Mohammad said itThis isn't rational regardless of whether or not you think it's good policy
>>543279805>they believe you become a human being at conception and that all instances of abortion are murder.It's not a belief. It's fact.
>>543279805If medical experts are required through half the steps, than it’s just another ableist barrier to poor communities that lack health care access. Plus a man is inherently telling a woman what to do. It sounds ableist, classist, and anti-woman.
>>543280046Explain Aristotle having a similar take on ensoulment then. He was roughly correct on the stages of embryo development long before sonographs existed. >>543280081 Delayed ensoulment was the dominant thought in the West for most of history.
>>543280263>Delayed ensoulment was the dominant thought in the West for most of history.Unrelated
>>543280263>Oh yeah? Well this other guy may have said something that was similarly irrational>Bet you can't explain thatThis is what we'd call a non sequitur, and the same appeal to authority that Muslims use, just for a different authority
>>543280263>how it started: ISLAM IS BASED MY FELLOW WHITE PEOPLE>how it's going: ok, they just plagiarized the greeksDid you know that exactly nowhere in the bible does it imply when the soul enters the body? The sole (lol) claim comes from a misinterpreted line about a prophet that says god predestined his entire life in particular, in jeremiah“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”that is, that rather than each human individuality being eternal, prophets are pre-existent and everyone else has delayed ensoulment, in ecclesiastes>As you do not know the way the spirit comes to the bones in the womb of a woman with child, so you do not know the work of God who makes everything.A fetus does not have bones until 7-8 weeks, it has no body until 7-8 weeks, no brain. the neural tube has not yet fused. human-like neural activity has not begun.Sorry muhammad but we have NO USE FOR YOUR INFERIOR CULTURE OR THE SHITHOLES IT CREATESWe just need to reclaim our own from evangelical and atheist idiotsislam is an invalid religionan inferior cultureand muhammad was a literal faggot
>>543280572>Did you know that exactly nowhere in the bible does it imply when the soul enters the body?Also no this isn't a contradiction, it doesn't say exactly when there are bones, just that there must be bones first
>>543280439Aristotle was the father of logic, and his mentor Plato was the basis for all of Western thought and philosophy. State your own position on the matter or fuck off.
>>543279805Like they don't zap the harem slave babies after they are born.
>>543280572I'm not a Muslim, dumbass. I'm sorry you're not intelligent enough to infer that from my post.
>>543280820>I gave this man a very important sounding title, which means he was incapable of errorIDK what matter you want me to opine on exactly but I'll keep pointing out foolishness if you want
>>543280965>still refuses to put forth his own viewpoint on the matter of abortion and ensoulment
>>543281064Assuming that souls exist, IDK when a fetus becomes endowed with one>inb4 But you have to pretend that you know or at least take a guessNo I don't
>>543279805Just stop murdering children.It's not hard.
>>543281213Then why even comment? Abortion as an issue will exist regardless of what you believe, so if you don't have a stance and will just default to tactical nihilism then there is no reason to join the debate.
The most rational position is that human life begins at conception and therefore abortion is a violation of human rights (murder) at any state of development.
>>543282930Admitting one's own ignorance of supernatural matters isn't at all the same as proclaiming that nothing has objective meaning. In some sense it's the opposite.Anyway, I initially commented because I didn't want to see your abuse of the word rational go unchallenged
>>5432798054 months is arbitrary + islam wasn't the first to come up with any of this. muslims like to pretend that they have a monopoly on concepts they didn't even come up with.
>>543279805This is how Christendom used to perform it.Abortion was acceptable until the moment of the Quickening, which is when the fetus begins its first movements.It was banned completely in the 1700s.Proto-feminism began in response to this.This means that literally the only thing women cared about was abortion rights.This also means that the first domino that led to women flooding our countries with niggers they voted for was BUSY-BODY FUCKING CHRISTIANS MAKING A LAW AGAINST A PRACTICE GOD CLEARLY HAD NO QUALMS WITH BECAUSE HE WAS JUST FINE LETTING US RULE THE FUCKING WORLD WHEN WE ALLOWED ABORTIONS BEFORE THE QUICKENING
>>543280960>I'm not muslimSo why do you propagandize it? If you're not muslim, muslims consider you rape fodder.Of course they will call you "friend" until they have a numerical advantage
>>543279872Jesus was brownChristianity is brown in origin and current population You are most likely a jew
>>543283333Quads for this truth nuke
>>543279805Bullshit. This graphic was made by a 7th generation immigrant mixed race half nigger half Arab mutt who can't even speak Farsi.
