So how many heretical popes does it take before you admit Popes can fuck up just like any other patriarch? (When Pope Honorius was anathematized by the sixth council, was that supposed to prove the papacy?)Or are we going to pull out more forged letters “proving” that the Roman Empire basically handed everything over to the Pope? (Donation of Constance)And don’t @ me pretending popes never exercised their self-appointed authority, king John literally gave England and Ireland to Pope and received them back as papal fiefdoms (SICKENING VIOLATION OF CANON 7).But sure, this was just the same primacy of honor that Church had always known, can you ever find an example of Peter just commandeering the college of the Apostles and ruling like the Papacy did? I'm sure Peter was never rebuked hard for teaching error by Paul, that would be a funny one by your own papal logic.
>>543283065This man rejects the ordained authority of his holiness the pope of Rome? The Pontifex Maximus of the Christian Roman Empire? The Supreme Patriarch and defender of the Faith? RENDER UNTO ROME
yepit's totally the popei can clearly see him. especially the third pixel from the right
>>543283065fuck off jew
>>543283277>https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/unearthed-1995-photo-shows-pope-leo-xiv-participating-in-pachamama-ritual/I understand that the gut reaction for Catholic is to cover up the crimes and blasphemies of the Patriarch of Rome, but this is old news that came out earlier this year, documented from old photo book. This was real and he didn't comment on it and then 1 week later 90% of Catholics moved on and coped. I couldn't believe it, completely baffling, defiantly help me move to true apostolic Christianity (EO).
>>543283485>fuck off jewWow, i never thought of it like that :^)Can you do one thing, just prove one point I made was factually wrong. I'll actually engage in good faith and we'll both get some (you)s
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>>543283065>So how many heretical popes does it take before you admit Popes can fuck up just like any other patriarch?exactly 0. and that doesn't change the fact that i'm catholic. papal infallibility doesn't mean "the pope can do no wrong". everyone understands that the pope is humans and humans sin. many popes are bad people. this doesn't change mine or any other catholic's faith. jesus founded the church upon peter, the first pope. it's as shrimple as that.
>>543283898>"prove one point I made was factually wrong"> you're a jew- fuck dems, fuck catholics, fuck christians- you're a jewboth things can be true at the same time(jews mad since he criticized israel in gaza/westbank) >to repeat: fuck off jew
>>543283230Literally the cheiti document released by the Vatican admits that the Bishop of Rome never exercised the universal and immediate authority later given to the Pope by the Pope in the first thoasand years of the Church.But what can I expects from a Papist that according to Vatican 2 worships the same God as the Muslims (WRONG), and defender of the Faith? Did the defender of the faith spend half of the time waging war in Eastern Europe or like the time crusaders sacked the Eastern Roman Capital city WHILE MUSLIM WERE ACTIVELY INVADING BYZANTIUM! Yeah , great idea, gut the crown jewel of Europe resistance to Islamic incursion, that's probably a GREAT IDEA!
>>543284527oh yeah, fuck muslims too, muhammed was a homo-zutted "bottom"all brown religions are the same
>>543284626Okay but what do you believe?I'm not defending Israel or Islam, those things are literally like rung 1 of the ladder.Eventually you have to figure out what to believe in vs just knowing what you despise.
>>543283065Now it's making sense. This new pope is a poopoojeet asset.
>>543283065>Popes can fuck upYou don't say?!
>>543285292
As a Traditional Catholic I consider every pope since Vatican II illegitimate.
>>543283065Catholicism is a front for child rape
>>543284092>Islam descended from Nestorianismwew lad
>>543285025> "what do you believe"i'm an atheist, and I believe israel should get the fuck out of (all) our governments(picrel) there are plenty more active
>>543283230are you the indonesian or the polack?
>>543285595>he doesnt know
>>543285292So your a protestant? What does the laying of hands and talking about the characteristics of a bishop in the Book of Acts mean? He gave them authority to bind and loose, was that just from them or their successors?Have you considered that perhaps that the fruits of the Papacy was the abortion that the protestant reformation became?
>>543285842Islam is much more an amalgam of heretical propositions than a faith properly descended from any "branch" of Christianity.I'm an ex-muslim
>>543285696>i'm an atheistOkay but are you a strict materialist?If you could see every atom in the universe and I asked you to show me a number or logic law, you cant because they are not material objects, they apply to material objects but are not material.Yet you make arguments that presuppose things not justifiable by your own system's standards.
>>543285368I think it's more NGO migration grift now.They are hemorrhaging members for decades 70% apostasy rate roughly, especially after the imposition of the horrible new mass. This mean that most congregations are shrinking and many diocese are combining to delay financial failure. They are all just barely hanging on and trying to rent their halls out (like election poll station rentals can literally make or break a regular church financial situation).Then along come a migrant crisis and now literally 80% of Catholic funding is gov contracts related to migration funneling.
>>543283579The worship of God is done at Mass. This is going out to meet pagans, sinners, and non-Christians to pray for them and come to Christ.
Jew here, I believe Bereshit haya ha Memra, v’ha’Memra im’Elohim, v’ha’Memra haya Elohim. Ki hinei, ha’Memra shekhinate l’Tzion b’bosur.I believe that in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the word was God, and that He caused His presence to dwell in Zion in flesh, and that Jesus is the Son of God and the Christ. It is only through the mercy of Christ, much painful prayer, and study of the Targumim that I have come to this realization. Where should I pursue baptism? My girlfriend is Catholic, I don’t know anything about the Orthodox Church. And why are christians so bad at evangelizing jews? The Trinity is impossible for a jew to wrap their head around unless you go into the Targumim. (Protestants especially americans have no priesthood and thus I will not be considering them as it is not a fulfillment of scripture)
>>543286861>you make arguments that presuppose things- I remember you - the last time you "reply guy'd" everyone to death like you are now.- I know, you will be here till this thread dies out or the end of your shift.1. fuck israel's influence2. fuck you. jew.
>>543283579Dude, why do you even care? As a papist myself if I were to rebuke you and argue against you I would be guilty of the sin of pride myself. The infallibility doctrine is hardly even mentioned anymore and when it is it's treated as an inside joke or figure of speech. Yeah yeah the pope is infallible. I'm not about to die on that hill and true Catholics are much more concerned with keeping body and soul together, surviving in a sinful world, and confronting and repenting for our own personal sins. The only exception to this is Pope John Paul II (the Polish one) that man was guided by divine inspiration and never made a mistake in his life. And I WILL NOT hear otherwise.
>>543283065I mean, have you ever been to the vatican? Its quite literally an incredibly far more gilded version of the market Jesus scattered. They have a hall that has giant rugs worth like 100 million each and everything is encrusted in gold leaf.
>>543283065Protestants burn in Hell
>>543288276>why are christians so bad at evangelizing jews?Frankly, the mindset of the modern man is so sterile and reductionist that a full fledged pagan would have a better (though incorrect) understanding of pretty much everything.The idea of atonement through the blood offering of sacrifices, liturgical cycle, priesthood, etc, is hard to understand. It make complete sense, but again few people would care, and even fewer understand, but that the way it's always been.Actually once i started grinding through Genesis looking at the Hebrew backbone of each word and there's just so much meaning packed into ever sentence. Even the atheist Isaac Asimov wrote a commentary on genesis because he loved Hebrew wordplay and linguistics so much.Pursue baptism in the EO (avoid "True Orthodox"), if you start going to services of other "church's" you'll see how far they have fallen from the ordered liturgy that God demand was proper to him. Literally ever other church is cringe or just utterly lackluster, the liturgy must be experienced, usually even if your in the middle of no where, often orthodox priest come for a divine liturgy at some point to meet with orthodox in more remote area. there are also usually zooms to make up for the rest of the time but you have to do alittle research to see whats in your area.As long as you care about what is actually true, you will make spiritual progress, even if you bounce around alittle (try to convince others by showing actual positive change in your life vs trying to debate people to your side) the liturgy will do alot of work convince people when they experience it,
>>543283065Popes go against these verses. Don't outsource your faith.>Psalm 146:3-4: "Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help. His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish".>Psalm 118:8-9: "It is better to take refuge in the Lord than to trust in man. It is better to take refuge in the Lord than to trust in princes".>Jeremiah 17:5: "Cursed is the one who trusts in man, who draws strength from mere flesh and whose heart turns away from the Lord."
>>543283065Isaiah 2:22: "Stop trusting in mere humans, who have but a breath in their nostrils. Why hold them in esteem?"
>>543288812>Dude, why do you even care?I don't know, this world is addicted to lies, i figure if there were a few autists that would be willing to be obnoxious when they detect discontinuity there would be less fog of war.I'm not saying that all people would realize when they have imbibed a deception (the easiest way to get someone to commit evil is have them operating on bad information), and we all have false beliefs about something guaranteed,I guess I just want the truth closer to the surface so the people that care can find it, I know most people don't. The idea of have a falsehood in my head planted by some lying fag pisses me off.
>>543289861The church is an institution made up of men and man is in a fallen state. Our doctrines are only our "best guess" at the real truth of God. They are there to help to explain the confusing nature of the world, and to help us to choose between right and wrong when we are in doubt by providing an example like Christ to imitate. So I don't put much stock in what sect a man belongs to, only what is in his heart. The one I belong to was an accident of my birth and it's good enough for me. When youi start getting 9999 different sects of loony Protestantism where the disagreement in doctrine was extremely minor but due to man's prideful nature there was a schism. And another, and another, and another. It's kind of like what Paul said about circumcision. First circumcise the heart.
>>543285292Remove the last paragraph. The Bible says we aren't to judge or worry about who is going to hell.
>>543288637I've tried to dialogue to understand, I wanted to understand your position and argue in good faith vs just smearing shit (I smeared shit on this place for over a decade, I owe people real conversation at this point).Truth exists, and those that crave it, will find it. But those who have no love of truth will always try to bury it, because you have no love of truth.>1. fuck israel's influence>2. fuck you. jew.you don't need to post that every time, because I have no idea how those apply to me (im a human not llm programmed to shill, whatever this case this is 100% meatbag posting, appreciate it, i have a feeling pissing off a actual human online is gonna be luxury)
>>543286195Muslims are instructed to deny God as their last words if they have time to say them. That they believe God is Allah and any God who doesn't have Muhammad as their prophet is wrong which is not the God of Abraham.They also think the Bible is corrupted and refuse to read it instead of the Koran which has dubious origins (Entity in a cave)
>>543290208>Our doctrines are only our "best guess" at the real truth of God.That spits in the face of how the Church has always understood itself. Traditionally (first thousand years before the Great Schism) the church understood that the gathering of the bishops in an ecumenical council was how the Holy Spirit spoke to the Church.> 9999 different sects of loony ProtestantismAgreed, God is not the author of confusion but Man is>First circumcise the heart.Absolutely, 100%
>>543291035>instructed to deny God as their last words if they have time to say themWe'll they believe that the first words a baby should hear and a dying should profess is the Shahada>That they believe God is Allah and any God who doesn't have Muhammad as their prophet is wrong which is not the God of Abraham.They actually have a more incoherent position, they believe 124,000 prophets were sent to mankind before Muhammad (condemnation be upon him) but we have no record, and most of the prophets didn't even convert anyone and we have no idea who they were. Good luck saying that for 200,000 prophets over world history we have ZERO history.>They also think the Bible is corrupted and refuse to read it instead of the Koran which has dubious origins (Entity in a cave)Don't forget he had to run to his wife in fear and his WIFE TOLD HIM HE WAS A PROPHET because Khadija knew a relative that had some "knowledge" of the scriptures (literally wild circulating Syriac literature like the companions of the cave ( a christian story that actually made it into Koran))MUHAMMAD WAS A SELF-DECEIVED FALSE PROPHET 100000000% SATURN CUBE WORSHIPERS GET THE FIRES OF GEHHENNA
