I still don’t get it. Why did he try to endlessly expand the war? Why attack Russia leading into the Winter? Why not choke out the British, who barely had any allies remaining? I just don’t get it bros. I never have. If he slow rolled it, and snuffed out the remnants of the Allies in Europe, made an Iron Wall on the East…its almost certainly a total victory Am I missing something??
>>543298989reminds me of how the Romans fell. Endless expansion, no time to regain resources, poor attack timingdid good ol’ H-man just not study history
>>543298989was probably high on meth also after the campaign of france thought he was actually a genious (while delusional on meth. since everyone told him it would take years not weeks)
>>543298989his plan for the russian attack didnt count on italian incompetence and il duce's small benis
>>543298989He didn't you fucking idiot. If he didn't invade USSR, USSR would have invaded him. If he didn't invade poland, USSR would have, rinse repeat.
>>543298989He was literally a known homosexual and they can be pretty irrational like women.
>>543298989He stated it numerous times, but you are too stupid to search for info. Here, the secret recording of Hitler speaking in private about the invasion:https://youtu.be/oET1WaG5sFk?si=gBAoeLHwdhIeR8Ad
>>543298989Shill thread and you’re a historylet
>>543298989>Am I missing something??140 millions soviets. You can try your military tactics in hearts of iron but ultimately, Stalin and Hitler were doomed to fight, the question was when and who will be the most prepared.
>>543299269the big Hermann needed more CAS
>>543298989> Why attack RussiaLiterally the only reason he militarised in the first place. If that wasn't on the agenda, there would be no war.>Why not choke out the British,They tried, and they failed. We outsmarted them and outfought them. They couldn't manage an amphibious assault while having tens of millions more people, then the Anglosphere pulls off the biggest amphibious assault in human history on DDay on them.
>>543299261>implying>>543299199>>543299269why not attempt a strong defense then? i guess the tactic i am trying to express here is that eventually, rapid grabbing of land needs time to cool off. they were already well past the need for that by that time.
>>543298989>I still don’t get it. Why did he try to endlessly expand the war? Why attack Russia leading into the Winter? Why not choke out the British, who barely had any allies remaining?He was an agent of the Rothschilds. The whole point of everything he did was to bring the world under jewish control, which unfortunately succeeded.
>>543298989>Why did he try to endlessly expand the war?He didn't, but thanks to Italy monumental failures Germany wasted almost a year and resources that were meant for ussr.Had Hitler not declare war on America stalin would be left with no trucks hence battles like Kursk or Bagration wouldn't reach the gains they did. Plus the divisions that were moved to Italy were badly needed when you are fighting a enemy that can throw as much bodies as possible.
>>543299080Are you retarded? Its nothing like how the Romans fell.
>>543299226wow, never seen this. judging by how hes talking, he already understood the situation was basically beyond repair. so when was it really “over”, then?
>>543299664>Anglosphere pulls off the biggest amphibious assault in human history on DDayIn reality the allies were low on DD Tanks and boats for overlord, *spoiler* Rommel was absolutely right and would probably beat the invasion ( the allies wouldn't land of France anytime soon )
>>543298989He planned to end the war quickly how it happened in the rest of Europe. The initial encirclements were massive, and everything was going according to plan, what he didn’t expect was that the Soviets would simply be able to mobilize more troops. He greatly underestimated the Soviet Union’s population and its willingness to fight.
>>543299693Because he was already at war you dimwit. What you think the League of Nations would do a boo hoo because he got attacked ? You think some pity points and playing victim would do anything? This is literally against every principle of national socialism and fascism, even Stalinism. Even more so, this is jewish behaviour but I wouldn't expect the golem to understand. He fucked up when he decided to play general. Same stupidity Trump and Hegseth are doing with Iran.
>>543299206ThisWhen a mid 6/10 woman suddenly gets a chad bf, she doesn't think "omg i'm so lucky". She thinks "what took you so long?"After the lucky blitzkrieg campaigns in 1940 he unironically believed he was the greatest commander of all time.
>>543299199Lmaoyeah sure thing buddy
>>543299777My amerimutt fatigue is reaching critical levels.
>>543299693>>543298989So what you are missing is the Jews declared an embargo on Germany after Germany introduced the Reichsmark to replace the Deutschmark. At that point Hitler needed raw materials and natural resources fast to avoid his new economy being strangled in the bed
>>543300510Good thing this is an american site then no?
>>543298989The soviets would have invaded first plus Pilsudski had just died a few years previous who hated the Reds more than Hitler did. Had Pilsudski lived for another 5 years you would have seen a whole different War.
>>543299199There is exactly 0 evidence of that besides a meme book "Icebreaker."Soviets were feeding the Nazi war machine with precious raw materials for years. Why would Soviets build up the Nazis if they wanted to attack them? It makes zero sense.>>543298989The best explanation is that Hitler was some sort of controlled opposition agent. Remember that he literally started as an intelligence agent tasked with infiltrating the DAP and subverting it. He refused to destroy the British army when he had a chance. When all was said and done, both Germany and the USSR were destroyed. Now ask yourself, who benefited from that? Who profited from that war?
>>543298989Invading the USSR was always the plan. The problem is that Hitler had an unrealistic idea how easy it would be and he ideologically had no consistency with how to treat local Slavs (unlike the based Kaiser who sorted it all out in 1918). So he could not leverage anti-Soviet movements in Poland (he imprisoned and killed many pro-German Poles), couldn't spark mass mobilization of Bandera's hohol army, only had token anti-communist Russian forces who had their operations restricted. He bit off way more than he could chew. Restoring Germany to the 1918 borders the Kaiser established and reducing Poland to the General Government would have been ample lebensraum.
>>543299744RetardLL began prior to any declaration of war on the USA, and war material production doesn't work like that, of they didn't get free trucks from the USA they would simply divert production and make their own (they produced 50k a year near the end) not go without them
>>543300628If soviets had attacked first, germany would have remained the good guys and received entire european support, just like finnland.>but what about france and britain?at least there wouldn't be a lend lease program for the aggressor.not attacking russia was the patrician's choice.
>>543300546>At that point Hitler needed raw materials and natural resources fast to avoid his new economy being strangled in the bedSee>>543300640Soviets were already trading Nazis raw materials and natural resources. Soviets could have easily suffocated the Nazis by joining in on the embargo but they didn't. They would have prevented WW2 and prevented the deaths of tens of millions of innocent White Europeans by simply not giving the Nazis oil, rubber, manganese, and grain. Bolsheviks should have never trusted the Nazis. Even Stalin couldn't believe the backstab despite his intelligence warning him repeatedly that Nazis were going to drive a knife into their backs. I really have no idea why the Bolsheviks decided to put their trust in the Nazis.
>Why attack RussiaNatSoc is explicitly anti bolshevik / anti communist
>>543299199I see this constantly repeated but it never makes sense, Stalin explicitly was against world revolution like Trotsky tried to, and killed off all political rivals pushing for it even, he was more bothered about industrialising and keeping an already big empire under control.Hitler just fucked up a good partner that was feeding him massive amount of raw resources, so much so that the British were about to bomb the USSR for it, were it not for them rightfully guessing Hitler would eventually attack USSR as he laid out in his book.
>>543300790>germany would have remained the good guysThey still are and it's a dam shame Pilsudski and Hitler didn't double team those communist fucks in the East
>>543300851That and the backroom deals fell through
>>543300851The world revolution commies were already killed by Stalin, he was far closer to NatSoc than anyone else besides Hitler himself.
>>543298989Yes, the part where his system needed endless fuel to keep hiding its advancing structural disintegration.The guy literally built a megalomaniacal 500 billion dollar mountaintop retreat among other things, you can accuse jews all you want but if you can't manage your own money then that's always going to bite you in the ass.
>>543298989Needed oil. Impossible to choke out Britain with their navy and empire in check.
alright everyone lets take a deep breath, im not claiming to be some war mastermind. i play civilization and studied some history in high school and college…didnt mean to set off the europeans.
>>543300920Stalin was much more pragmatic, much sooner an imperialist than a fascist.
>>543300855>Hitler just fucked up a good partner that was feeding him massive amount of raw resources, so much so that the British were about to bomb the USSR for itThat's interesting. I didn't know that part. Honestly, they should have done that for the benefit of everyone in Europe. Nazi Germany would have fell flat on its face.>>543300920>he was far closer to NatSoc than anyone else besides Hitler himself.Yup lol. Maybe Hitler was simply butthurt and envious.
>>543298989> Why not choke out the BritishBecause he didn't hate the british early on and quite the opposite. To defeat the british he had to play the old imperial system of building colonies so he had to expand into British colonies in Africa. That could have been possible if he went down south with Italy and take Gibraltar and cut off their supplies to starve the british rats. But that was antithesis to nazism. Another option was building a lot of ships again another thing out of question for Hitler. Goering hated the navy and he was close to Hitler so guess who Hitler favoured more? Hitler was stupid enough to trust the british rats he should have killed them at dunkirk but he wanted peace with rats. You can't deal with rats. Rats need to be starved. While USSR was a mortal enemy from the start.
>>543300780>divert production and make their owncool story abo, soviets put all their effort into shitting as many T-34s as possible, they only succeeded at Bagration thanks to those reliable american trucks and also radios. Doesn't and wouldn't matter shit if they produced more of those little farm trucks at any given time whatsoever.>Lend lease before *babbling babbling*To the brits ? Yeah mutts were all in producing planes for them before any war declaration, not for the soviets
>>543299693He needed fuel, and to prevent the eventual counterattack.
>>543299269>the question was when and who will be the most prepared.>>543300754>The problem is that Hitler had an unrealistic idea how easy it would be Stalin had recently purged military leadership and had just suffered an embarrassing 'victory' over Finland, exposing the sorry state of their military. From germany's pov it was a good time to attack before the USSR managed to fix its issues.
>>543301192>calling others abo>using a jewish flagKekAgain, they focused on other things because they received so many trucks, not in spite of it No retard go learn when LL began to the USSR and when america/Germany war declarations happenedyou are simply wrong
>>543299199you are retarded nazi faggot kys
>>543298989He thought he was the bee's knees
>>543300855grok is this true
>>543298989Germany was losing to the British and knew there was no realistic way to bring them to terms in direct combat. But direct combat was what their army was built for, do they found a new target.Hitler believed (probably correctly) that it was only a matter of time until the UK aligned the Soviet Union against them and that a protracted two front war where British technology could be leveraged by Soviet manpower and the unbelievably vast Soviet hinterland. He believed he could prevent that by defeating the Soviet Union in a surprise attack before British aid could arrive. He was wrong, and in fact British aid arrived in time to swing the battle for Moscow.But it is important to understand why he felt it was necessary and why all of Germany's officer corps were on board with it. Germany lost the battle of Britain hard, they thought they had lost North Africa, they were losing ships and subs and they saw their capacity to challenge British supply lines diminishing. British mobilization had been slowed down by cutting the Mediterranean, but with major Axis defeats in that theater they regarded as a matter of time before British ships could safely cross from the Suez to Gibraltar and the manpower of its colonial empire could be concentrated in Europe.German planners saw a war situation slowly deteriorating as WW1 had, deadlocked against a foe they couldn't reach while blockades and expeditionary warfare choked them out. Trapped in Europe, there were only a few obvious options available. They had no way of knowing that America would be utterly inept at ASW and instantly turn the submarine campaign into a success, and had no way of knowing the British would self-sabotage in Libya and Rommel would disobey orders to chase them back to Egypt. But even then, avoiding the Eastern Front wouldn't have won them the war, it would have just dragged out the inevitable.
>>543298989>Why did this absolutely capable orator and intelligent veteran of WW1 believe his own bullshit in the face of evidenceNazism is someone's form of idealism and idealism will kill everyone. The top Nazis were high IQ but you can't win a war on feels. If you violate every treaty and rely on elan, eventually you are going to be stretched pretty thin.
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>>543301903God he waffles on a bit to say "gib east"
Operation Barbarosse started in June. The general staff wanted to be done precisely before winter fully kicked in.Europe was almost under complete Axis control. There was nowhere else to go and the Soviets were most likely going to invade anyway. Both sides building up for a war years later would have severely disadvantaged Germany as the Soviet Union had more potential for a military buildup. This is not even considering that Germany was still at war with the Allies in North Africa.>>543299080Literally not why Rome fell.
>>543301990>Adolf Hitler had his personal photographer Heinrich Hoffmann, take close-up photographs of Joseph Stalin's earlobes in 1939 to determine through pseudoscientific racial theory whether Stalin was Jewish or "Aryan".>Upon inspecting the developed images, Hitler declared that Stalin's earlobes were separate, satisfying his bizarre criteria that the Soviet leader was not Jewish and paving the way for the pact.
>>543302090This book seems like the only source and he doesn't list a source for where he got it
>>543302370Suddenly we care about sauce but thanks for supporting the story>deboonked sweetie
>>543302454Sorry for taking an interest beyond wikipedia>>deboonked sweetieThe history is soo reliable
>>543298989He was a retard.
>>543302548Lol amazing, blown out by your meme about junior administrative staff who definitely had the inside baseball
>>543298989>June is leading into the winterYeah totally should've attacked in early spring with all the mud. Brilliant.
>>543298989Failure of plan is Plan of Failure.Hitler just continued failed plan of 1906 Schlieffen. Expecting different result by doing same thing again and again is uber moronic.
>>543301841>Germany was losing to the BritishThis is the thing people don't get that everyone needs to realize.>Germany has some early successes knocking out Poland and France quickly>They fail to blitz Britain.>They fail to take Suez>Anglo empire has them in a strangleholdLost by '41.
>>543302724>Lol amazing, blown out by your meme about junior administrative staff who definitely had the inside baseballI'm not following
>>543298989They almost allied the Soviets, Stalin was second only to Hitler in removing kikes from power, just ask trotsky. In the end Stalin was too greedy and Hitler was too paranoid to go through with the deal. It's amazing the world we lost because of that one fateful decision.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_Axis_talks
>>543298989>Why did he try to endlessly expand the war?War economics demanded it. Nazi Germany was deep in massive debt after a decade of massive overspending larping as we wuz romans. It was either war or bankruptcy.
