Why no Western country is actually doing it?
Because it's mean and it makes people sad
>>5433079861pbtid
Because satan has no interest in fixing anything, quite the opposite.
>>543308071wrong
>>543308112lol
>>543307986Because the politicians need to hang before anything good can take place.
>>543307986Because Jews
>>543308137The catholic church is very pro-migrant here indeed
>>543307986If countries wanted to fix things things wouldn't be getting worse.
>>543308128Blank-slatism is to blame.Many people are against deportations and being hard on criminals because they think muh socio economic factors explain everything.Like I said, it makes people sad.
>>543307986Because it's a feature, not a bug
>>543308304>>543308357Do the elites really know how to fix things and just not want to?Or do they simply believe in the wrong ideology?
>>543308286Jesus was an immigrant.
>>543307986because the people in charge want low wages and high rents, obviously
>>543308354That implies that they want to fix things, but are not able to do so because they believe in things that are not true.
>>543308286went from burning heretics and literally slaying the infidel (muslims and kikes) too this what a bunch of pussies lol
>>543308398Probably a mix.Some Rich people do benefit a lot from immigration. A lot of people just believe in blank-slatism, like I said.
>>543308398They don't see it as a thing to fix. To them, if it's having a negative effect on white people, it's all going according to plan
>>543308424And if catholics are unable to support deportations because of that, then catholicism will destroy the West.
>>543308398Things have never been better for the elites, immigration lowers wages and increases housing prices which is good for elites for instance.
>>543308128They hate the switch thought experiment because deep down they know that 70% of what it does will result in their world view collapsing
>>543308544Even if the majoity of Catholics were to support mass deportations, as long as the people that have actual power within the church opposes them, the Catholic Church will remain a net negative for the West.
>>543308498>A lot of people just believe in blank-slatism, like I said.In part because the elites try to make questioning it a taboo, though.
What happens after Washington defeats Russia and China? Will prices go back to normal?
>>543307986>WhyYou know what comes after this word anon don't play dumb
>>543308682Defeat how? Installing friendly governments you mean?If so the US would unironically benefit since it would have more access to their markets and Russian oil would be unsanctioned.That's never gonna happen, though, so the best for the US is be on good terms with both if affordability is the goal.
>>543308071>>543308045>>543307986race mixing pushed by some group
>>543307986Because they're reliant on new people to prop up the social welfare system, since people have stopped having kids the only fix is to import people, the economy is also based on usury, you constantly need new people for this to work, even if the birthrates didn't go back up or as long governments didn't overspend and need to borrow money this would be a non-issue, but voters are going to elect the people promising lots of "free" stuff, so they keep getting elected and having to borrow money to pay for that "free" stuff
>>543307986because people grumble about immigrants but they REALLY hate high inflation and no labourimmigration is just modern day slavery and nobody willingly gives up slaves
>>543307986Because is a sin in the current moral framework
>>543307986Some leftist media outlet said it was unpopular and that turning cities into third world shitholes enhanced the American experience
>>543308927When it comes to inflation, it kind of dependsYou could argue some sectors could see price increases due to less cheap labor, but at the same time home vacancies would push rent and home prices down.I can see why rich people would want more immigrants, though.
>>543307986>Why no Western country is actually doing it?we don't have control of our countries, it is internationalists that control.
>>543307986The main purpose of a country is to increase its GDP and the main purpose of a ruling party is to stay in power.Alleviating The Peoples' problems is important only insofar it advances the two main purposes.
>>543308927Immigrants lower inflation by lowering your wages, which is why Australia has had on and off negative GDP per capita for years
>>543309006then why are so many countries importing people that are a net negative for the economy?
>>543309058Europe alone was retarded and thought that niggers and sandniggers were going to be productive members of society and integrate seamlessly because they believe in the "blank slate" concept as >>543308354 points out, but this is largely a European issue
>>543307986Whitey cant fuck so they dont have enough workers to keep the economy growing.A shrinking economy means you lose votes. Democracy doesnt work.
>>543308045Fpbp.Pathological altruism to shitskins.
>>543307986It would fix everything. Maybe not usher us into a utopia per se but a wide range of problems would be drastically reduced. Unfortunately it is not possible. Even if they could be easily identified and located forcibly moving millions of people on an industrial scale is impossible. The logistics involved would be staggering. But they will hide, delay, and try to bog down. Normal errors of bureaucracy that occur at a small scale become action against innocent citizens, and there is no small amount of sabotage from fifth column citizens who crave destruction. In short deportation gets dangled as a hope to placate people.
>>543309165Which is why you should actually support AI and hope AGI is achieved because it means immigration will no longer be needed
>>543309199Nigger, fucking Caeser could genocide and deport entire populations in 50 BC. This shit is easily possible, quit being such a cretin.
>>543309231yesI support AI exactly because without it, the world would go to shit regardless
>>543309282indeed, third world countries do mass deportations all the timePakistan literally just deported over a million Afghansit's just the West that can't do it
>>543309165This is actually very true.It's why Mass immigration stays strong even in right-wing governments
>>543308621Precisely. A large group of people in society are not strongly group-oriented so don’t want responsibility for their actions on society, and so are happy to create precedent for cultural acceptance that people who do wrong things have no agency thus cannot be blamed.Runaway individualism.
>>543307986It wouldn't fix anything in the short term, it would make everything worse economically and you'd have massive inflation. Eventually you'd have a better society but democratic politicians don't care about anything other than the next election, and which lucrative corporate job they can get when they're voted out.
>>543309231>>543309350Have you considered cutting state spending?
>>543309052Lowering wages is GOOD for most peopleYou don't want people being well paid for low skill shit jobs, it makes everything expensive>negative GDP per capitawat
>>543307986It doesn't fix everything. It just forces the government to stop putting off fixing things while letting them get worse.
>>543310661Guess what will happen when you don't pay people well to work difficult jobs? Nobody will work those jobs. If you want people doing tough jobs you need to incentivize them financially.
>>543307986>Head bobbling intensifies >Saars, do needful approve H1b for me>Saars, fuck you bloody bitch I have right to h1b>Saars, please let me H1b I good workerLol, LMAO even
>>543310914People shouldn't be paid well to work shit jobs, it raises costs for everyone else.>If you want people doing tough jobs you need to incentivize them financially.Why? Lots of people have no skills and qualifications. They should be doing shit jobs as a punishment for being retarded.
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>>543308424What exactly makes Jesus an immigrant?
>>543311094Lol that's not how it works in the real world buddy, you can't just force people to work certain jobs. You either make it worth their while or they will work other jobs/hustle/go on welfare/etc.
>>543311275You literally can, just don't let them live off welfare. If you're lazy and dumb you can either starve or do a shit job.
>>543307986because it is the solution and the kikes want the problem
>>543311316Many governments tried this, all of them have failed (outside of authoritarian communist countries)
>>543311316>"Trashmen should do it for minimal wage">"Why is there garbage everywhere?!?!"
>>543307986if toilets are a thing why shit in the street?
>>543311385it's how it works everywhere, do you think people doing unpleasant jobs involving hard labour want to do them? they just don't have a choice.we import migrants to do shit work for the same reason -they can't do anything else.
It costs billions to deport them just to lose billions more in taxes and laborIt's a lose/lose proposition.
>>543307986Because those are the problems of the rich oligarchs if haven't noticed, the actuial owner of those countries. They only benefit from it. Doesn't stop the leftoids or rightoids from sucking them off constantly though.
>>543307986>We totally can survive without foreign-ACKYou're a porn addicted jobless white incel, not a single society can work with people like you
>>543311483>arearen't*
>>543311467I don't know what you are talking about lol, factory/trade jobs pay as well if not better than most desk jobs across most of the developed world so as I said people only do those jobs because they are well-paid. Make them minimum-wage and you will see all these countries fall to mayhem overnight.
>>543308045High rents and mortgages make me sad
>>543311482>costs billions to deport themSo what the government spends multiple billions every day on pointless shit.>Lose billions in taxes and laborWho cares because there is more to a country than its economy and doing only what is best for the said economy. Honestly the economy doesn't matter if your country is at risk of losing its identity, culture, etc. because of foreigners flooding in plus the people who employ the foreigners making it all happen. Honestly the decrease in labor deporting the people who shouldn't be in the country is a win because then wages would go up. Oversaturation of the labor supply is a large part of why we are in the mess we are in.
>>543307986Because no western government actually wants to fix anything.
>>543311495Yet White countries are far more advanced than India
>>543308424Jesus went from one city to another city. Jesus did not travel across the world to mooch off of benefits intended for the sick and infirm or commit rapes.
>>543311495companies built by white men. You jeets have no merits you should be grateful that the kind White man lets you move to his countries.You're nothing without handouts from Whites.
>>543311482From a purely economic point of view, of you deport a low iq group overrepresented in crime and welfare usage, it's still a net benefit
>>543307986>Why no Western country is actually doing it?Because they are controlled by jews, and jews worked really hard to create those problems via immigration.
>>543307986Because you don't actually know what elites want from immigration and it's not great replacement, they know it doesn't actually workQuick hint : elites found out a long time again most immigrants have a lower reproductive rate than the native population as soon as they enter europe, they know Europeans aren't being "replaced" and that it's just them slowing the natural reajustement that is supposed to happen after a baby boom
>>543308286That's because it's not Catholic anymore since the promulgation of Nostra aetate in 1965 by a infiltrated jew
>>543307986He isn’t wrong. Deport.
>>543311650>losing its identity, cultureIt's more than just that, people who work are still homeless.>wages would go upThey wouldn't, the owners would just outsource the jobs and leave you with nothing either way. That's why it's so hard to do without total systemic collapse, corrupt polticians who are paid by the owners would let it happen and you would have no influence on the country to whom the jobs were being outsourced anymore. The whole world needs to go against them in order for it to work. A global class war against capitalism, but that's probably imposible.
>>543311746Plus at that time Judea and Egypt were both provinces of Rome which Joseph, Mary, and Jesus were technically Roman citizens since they lived in the province of Judea. It would be the same as someone going from the state of North Dakota down to the state of South Dakota. According to the brainlets who say Jesus was a refugee going by their logic the person who traveled from North Dakota down to South Dakota is really an immigrant/refugee of North Dakota. This is how retarded these people are.As you also said Joseph, Mary, and Jesus did not go there to mooch off of Egyption society plus try to warp their culture/cause trouble in Egypt while they were there. They went back to Judea after King Herod died because he was trying to murder Jesus.
>>543310661>Lowering wages is GOODIt's terrible. Among other things it disincentivises investment in labour saving technology. High wages are the reason Europe is advanced you Thatcherite mong.
Well, because brown immigrants get on welfare, then they spend all that money, then that creates a big GDP that we can use to borrow more money with. That is *literally* the reason. Immigration = GDP = more debt financing.
>>543307986because the elites don't want to fix those problems. That's why they manipulated young leftists into supporting mass immigration by telling them it was racist to fix any of those problems.
>>543312074The rightoids do the same with their "legal immigrants good, illegal bad" shtick. The outcome is the same.
>>543307986UM BECAUSE THE GDP SWEETY
Because most western countries are facing an immense die back when the boomers go. Drive through the provinces and towns of any western country and everyone is 45+. The future for these places is like the abandoned villages in spain and italy.
>>543307986Because it's expensive to fly them back, just killing them would be more economical.
>>543311785>overrepresented in crime and welfare usageThey're 2.5x less likely to commit violent crime, and 4x less likely to commit non-violent crime than native born citizens. And they're banned from taking most any federal welfare since 1997, I think.
>>543308492>>543308286You can say thank to kikes & heretics overtaking Vatican and pushing this "Vatican II" nonsense.
>>543311650>is a win because then wages would go up.Wrong, statistically even illegals drive wages up slightly.
>>543312183rightoids used to do that, because the elites manipulated boomer rightoids into thinking that anything that increases GDP is good.But the modern right is opposing legal immigration more and more too.
>>543312262Nigs inflate the US native crime numbers a lot, and the 2nd generation is more criminal than the first. For example Hispanics as a group commit more crimes than Whites per capita, but less than White + Black average.
>>543307986Because jews want a mongrelized society.
>>543307986Jews and boomers feel ugly and old, ugly niggers make them feel betterYeah they are THAT retarded
>>543308398Elites are just feminist cucks. Rich hags there mutilated their men to be obedient cucks, this is a system to keep rich men docile instead of being healthy and marrying a peasant with good genes.Obviously judaism want their men with their dicks cut and surrounded by browns, not having a full cock and being surrounded by white women
>>543312183>>543312354Nobody knows what the fuck a "rightoid" is. Be clear with what you're talking about.
>>543307986Because they don't want to fix everything.
>>543312262>They're 2.5x less likely to commit violent crime, and 4x less likely to commit non-violent crime than native born citizens.>Illegals commit less crime than niggersThat's a very low bar considering it is blacks who inflate the crime rate, take blacks out of the equation and illegals quickly commit more crime than native born. These stats are coming from the same people with the agenda of flooding the country with illegals so there is a clear bias. You are also missing the point that the crime done by the illegals would not and should not exist if the people who shouldn't be in the country weren't in the country.>>543312316>statistically even illegals drive wages up slightly.>Increasing the labor supply with people who shouldn't be in the country drives wages upNo simply no it does not. Claiming such a thing goes directly against basic economics and all common sense.
>>543311785Not under the current model of economy.The current model rests on the broken-window fallacy and infinite stacks of debt. GDP is all that matters, and immigrants spend money.
>>543312530Immigrants actually scare costumers away and spend all day looking at flies. It's why many companies are complaining now, the whole huge family white buying things don't exist anymore
>>543307986because we are under zionist occupied governments that whats going on
>>543307986>why do all corporate dominated nations pursue policies that help their bottom line at the expense of society?
>>543312262Most immigrants aren't niggers, and they skew crime stats by a huge margin wherever they are.As for welfare, American super conglomerates have long used the social welfare systems to buttress their awful slave labor wages and provide the benefits they refuse to. It's very disappointing how many liberals get tricked into supporting the worst aspects of capitalism just because a foreign beaner benefits...slightly*...from it.*Benefits in that they're not a third world nightmare zone anymore...sort of.**They're still surrounded by browns though.
>>543307986Because they want to keep the population impoverished and powerless.
>>543312616LOL I mean this question pretty much sums it up. To add to that the corporate dominated nations government's are not only all bought and paid for by corporations but also at the same time foreign nations as well.
>>543307986>according to DHSoh so it's fake migger bullshit, too bad
>>543308137Deportations aside it's obviously bad when people drown.
>>543307986Look here goy. You dont know what's good for you. Now shut up, eat your slop and pay your taxes.
>>543308979>if anything we need to beco.e more dysgenic
>>543312508>Claiming such a thing goes directly against basic economics and all common sense.I get it's counter-intuitive, but take it up with the numbers, not me.
>>543312797At this point people see it as nature keeping out invaders which is what these people were. They weren't "migrants" they were invaders into another people's home.
>>543312881Then those nebulous numbers that they got off of a spreadsheet are false. If the data doesn't logically add up at all not one bit then there is something wrong with the data either just being flat wrong or foul play.Do you usually believe everything just because it is in number form coming from the "experts"?
>>543312950>Nuh uh!!Kek. Or you can just make shit up that suits your world view. That's cool too.
>>543312183>The right>legal immigrants goodThat's kosher right.It's as "right" as China is "communist".
>>543313021You are missing the crux of the issue, it's not I'm disagreeing with it because it "shits up my world view" it's that the economic data saying illegals actually raise wages for everyone is illogical, goes against basic labor supply/demand economics, and has zero common sense to it. You even admitted it was couter-intuitive. Clearly if any statistic is pushing something like that it is junk data used to push agendas.May I see one of these statistics showing illegal immigrants actually increase wages instead of decreasing them and where the stat comes from?
>>543312797It's good for Europeans
>>543307986imagine approaching this with the remarkably naive view of "government wants to improve your life" lmao that shit is embarrassing
>>543308304False premise. Things are getting better, just not for you or me. There exists an unspoken dichotomy between the very rich and everyone else. The former facilitate mass immigration as an exploitation of both the immigrants and the host nation while the latter suffer the real-world consequences. No Western country is carrying out mass deportations because the ultra rich run the government and mass immigration is personally advantageous to them. OP is either ratarded or example number 6,000,000 of a leftist pretending not to know things.
>>543311495All those companies have turned to complete shit.
>>543308137>posts a minion of satanyeah meme cunt, good comeback
>>543313179>https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/immigration-can-bring-small-overall-gains-but-uneven-wage-effects>immigration would create an overall gain for the native-born population equal to around 0.01% of earningskek
>>543307986>Why no Western country is actually doing it?Kikes and their shabbos, anonWe have the technology(Fed Law since the 50s)8 USC 1324 (A)Any person who—.....(iii) knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, conceals, harbors, or shields from detection, or attempts to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection, such alien in any place, including any building or any means of transportation;(iv) encourages or induces an alien to come to, enter, or reside in the United States, knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such coming to, entry, or residence is or will be in violation of law; or....(i) in the case of a violation of subparagraph (A)(i) or (v)(I) or in the case of a violation of subparagraph (A)(ii), (iii), or (iv) in which the offense was done for the purpose of commercial advantage or private financial gain, be fined under title 18, imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both;(ii) in the case of a violation of subparagraph (A)(ii), (iii), (iv), or (v)(II), be fined under title 18, imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both;(iii) in the case of a violation of subparagraph (A)(i), (ii), (iii), (iv), or (v) during and in relation to which the person causes serious bodily injury (as defined in section 1365 of title 18) to, or places in jeopardy the life of, any person, be fined under title 18, imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both; and(iv) in the case of a violation of subparagraph (A)(i), (ii), (iii), (iv), or (v) resulting in the death of any person, be punished by death or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, fined under title 18, or both.and(3)(A) Any person who, during any 12-month period, knowingly hires for employment at least 10 individuals with actual knowledge that the individuals are aliens described in subparagraph (B) shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or both.
>>543313179https://www.epi.org/publication/unauthorized-immigrants/>The most rigorous work on the effect of immigration on wages finds extremely modest effects for native-born workers, including those with low levels of education. A review by Giovanni Peri of more than 270 estimates from 27 published studies found that the average effect of immigration on native-born wages is essentially zero
>>543308183It took 8 post to get it right.You can next add "traitor capitalists" and then "traitor socialists" to the list (which are usually just other names for jews).>>543308424If he were deported, like he should have been, he probably wouldn't have been nailed to that cross.>>543308656>(((Reichmann)))"fellow white people..."
jesus was an antifa terrorist
>>543312797Not universally true, you have to ask what race they were.
Can anybody name any good action any western government has done in the past 20 years? Why would you think they want to make things better?
>>543307986Why would financial speculators want to increase wages?
>>543312797Every dead brown is a benefit for the human race and the planet as a whole.
>>543307986It's part of biblical prophecy that the camp of the saints will be overrun by tares of the wicked one. Often referred to as "waters" in the bible because it's like a constant stream or 'flood' of immigration into the lands of milk and honey, or these White "Christian" lands of oursThe rest of prophecy can only be fulfilled after this overruning occurs, and not a moment before. Any small rebellions like a goyservative government like Trump's deporting the more strange alien elements/aspects is just a temporary measure. The book of books will proceed as planned until the day of judgement comes. This is a collective punishment since even the "Christian" White nations deliberately act against God's will now, acting in an adulterous and unchristian way, perverting and adultering the teachings of God until they're watered down into irrelevancy
>>543313360Abrahamism is inherently anti white.
>>543307986JewsAnd the upper class wants lower goywages
We did it, Twitter!
>>543313360If the people in actual positions of Power in the church support and facilitate the invasion, it needs to be pointed out
>>543311733>>543311774Countries and companies built by your ancestors, not you.You turned into worthless cave dwelling incels, that your parents had to "import" foreigners to keep the system afloat.
>>543316858Third worlders were imported because Rich people want more cheap labor, and because many White believed they would be just as civilized
>>543307986More of TKDKikes trying to distract the goyim
>>543317758>being civilized is when i'm an incel loser who don't leave his room
western countries are run by jews who view nations as economic zones to exploit and then they'll retire to Israel. Or New Epstein Island, depending on just how much wealth they extracted :^)
>>543307986because it benefits the people who own the countries
>>543307986>Why no Western country is actually doing it?Because all Western countries are currently run by an evil globohomo cabal. Remove corrupt globohomo government and everything goes back to normal and good.Simple as.
>>543308137"seeking a better life"=being able to rape women and rob people. i have 0 sympathy. none. fuck niggers and arabs and jews. the "seeking a better life" thing was immigrants in the 20th century, this is a whole new ballgame and we need to update our language
>>543307986Because jews won't let them.
>>543307986jews
>>543307986>If deportations fix everything... Why no Western country is actually doing it?because, western countries need billions of muhammeds, otherwise western countries will not survive
>>543307986If there's no reason to hide your flag, why won't you show it?
>>543307986Because the one thing it doesn't fix immediately is social benefits ponzi schemes like social security that rely on infinite population growth forever to pay for the elderly that are the primary voting base.
>>543308920you're a midwit who thinks he's smart. "economy is based on USURY!" wow, what a trenchant contrarian you are. the only reason people make stuff and provide services is because, uh, USURY!and let me guess--the people that the usurists are importing are actually a negative to the economy, because theyre leeches and criminals. and the usurists know this. but still they import them to support the social welfare system? see how that doesn't make sense?and you dont need increasingly more kids for the economy or social system to work. look at japan. population pyramid has been inverted for decades, and during that time, not only has there been no collapse, but GDP per capita has gone UP. now you can explain how japan's economy must not be based on "USURY", even though they have a central bank that controls interest rates and a financial system thats structurally the same as ours. maybe if you thought about it for a million years you would figure out why deflation destroys prosperity, but i doubt it. you'll never stop being convinced that your know-it-all midwit economic opinion is the truth. stay poor.
>>543307986basic economics>less cheap labor>higher pricesYou are retarded for building the economy around people who are not citizens, but you are more retarded when you don't wonder why a surplus of houses would decrease rentNow ask yourself what the country that bet all on the housing market and has too much land to take care of it would need to do to fix the problemCongrats on your low iq moment
>>543307986Deporting them wont fix a thing, because the mindset of the retarded people hasnt changed. Youre fixing the symptom, not the diseaseThey will all just be brought back in 20 years.
>>543308920The whole "they're going to pay our pensions" was 2016 you need to update your script. They're inviting 80 year old hindus and pakistanis and their entire families who don't work.
Because the lower class are the greatest threat to their power.
>>543308045Pretty much this, unfortunately. Women voting was a mistake.
>>543307986>according to DHSWhy do right wingers constantly need to fabricate their reality
>>543308045No, that's what tolerating Jews is: mean and makes people sad.
>>543307986Western countries and their garbage economic laws make impossible to lower immigration. Western countries depend on immigration to "grow" the economy ie the GDP. It will never happen as long as Western countries fundamentally change the economic model and to do that they will have to break the current system down and create chaos for the entire Western world and all it's lackeys. Doing this does not help the rich only the poor. Make with this info what you will.
>>543323983It's pretty much just>White people are a lot better so they trigger meEveryone knows niggers spend all day in parks doing absolutely nothing>But they spend No, they spend way less. All they do is make things less popular and wander all day. You won't see niggers buying things for their gf or kids, that's what whites used to do so now markets are crying because guess what, less whites = less clients
>>543311733But can't win wars.
>>543307986Because they have been wholly subverted by jews
>>543311891its as catholic as its ever been.zog cheerleading? checkevery single thing they do is for the benefit of jewry? checkpray for the starving children while i hold this gold cross? check
>>543308137How many migrants can we fit into the vatican?
>>543310661Fucking mong. No, higher wages do not make everything more expensive. Inflation makes everything more expensive and that's caused by growing the money supplyto quickly The causal relationship is>too much money created -> prices go up, including wagesNot:>wages go up -> prices go up
>>543312308the catholic church has always been gay as fuck, that isnt some vatican 2 invention. they were gaping dudes butts on the cradle of jewdas centuries before vatican 2. vatican 2 really is just mask off christianity, no longer needing to pretend theres any divine component, it was always about conquering the world and enslaving everyone in it. but more importantly, no longer maintaining the illusion that christians are in contention, and they can finally just drop the theatre and the pretending like christians are gonna be the reaaal jews, and fully just start to promote the idea to the useful idiots who helped conquered their own nations that [in the fake and gay jewish biblical literary universe] the jews are the jews, the jews are the ones jewsus loved, and they [christians] will kneel at the feet of jews knowing that jewsus loved them.i mean its not like nobody saw this coming. the entire christian movement is predicated on trusting jews.
