Why are people pagan it's retarded (we don't even have enough info on the religions bc they were illiterate monkeys ) as for roman/greek polytheism dosen't work , denounced by philosophers (aristotle/plato) as retarded Premise 1: God is defined as actus purus (pure actuality), possessing all possible perfections inherently, with absolutely no potentiality (potentia) or limitation.Premise 2: For two or more distinct gods to exist (polytheism), they must differ from one another in some way so that they are separate entities.Premise 3: To differ, one god must possess a characteristic, perfection, or limitation that the other god lacks.Premise 4: If a being lacks any perfection or is limited by a specific differentiating characteristic, it contains potentiality (the potential to be or have something it currently does not).Premise 5: A being with potentiality or lack cannot be actus purus.Conclusion: Therefore, there cannot be multiple beings of pure actuality. Polytheism is logically disqualified, and the ultimate source of reality must be strictly monotheistic..
The Bible is a true record of history. God wiped out everyone with the flood of Noah because the thoughts of every single man's heart was continually only evil all the time, and He gave Noah and his family a few simple rules to obey not to end up like that again. Don't murder, don't steal, establish courts of justice, stuff like that. And God told them to spread out and fill the earth and subdue it.Down the road, the majority of the people were turning bad again, and wanted to just all live in a big city together and build a big tower to make a name for themselves (Babel). Their collective unity in the way of error was a problem, and allowing them to become emboldened in it by forming a one world capitol empire city state would spell disaster.So, God quit trying with them, and turned them over to some kind of lesser gods. Greek gods type gods. And each nation had their own god since they didn't want to serve Yahweh. This way, all of humanity wasn't all in one basket and they could wipe a super evil one out together if need be. God divorced humanity and turned them over to these titans or demons or whatever and started His own project. Since all these fallen angels had their own nation, God would have his own. Ancient Israel. He started it with Abraham and his barren wife and they went down to Egypt in a time of famine and multiplied and took over Canaan hundreds of years later. The people who lived there weren't deserving of being wiped out until that time. Although this nation ultimately failed, a rich history of men of faith and Jesus came from it. Now, we are all able to be saved by Jesus.
Yahweh and Baal started as rival, yet very similar, warfaring tribal deities. El was the original benevolent creator/father god of their pantheon, similar to modern Yahweh. As the Yahweh tribe expanded and conquered their rivals, so too did their god's place in the pantheon expand.Once Yahweh was the most powerful among the tribes, he replaced El, taking on his role and aspects. Then some ancient Hebrew priest wrote the single most influential line in history:>You shall have no other gods before meBefore this, the Hebrew pantheon was much like the Greek pantheon, every tribe's god was explained into a shared story. But Yahweh demanded a spot above the rest, and eventually full monotheism. Rome fell to the paradox of tolerance: the Roman pantheon was fine with Yahweh's addition, but the new Christians could not tolerate the Romans, toppling their temples and burning heretics within a century or two of their religion's introduction.Some fellow gods like Baal and Asharah became demonic under Christianity, while others like El were mostly forgotten. Uri-El, Casti-El, Gabri-El...
The main issue it that /pol/tards don't really care about what is logical or illogical, but only what appeals to their emotions. They will appropriate any and all sources, regardless if they are contradictory or if they would disagree with any other data/history from that particular source if it aligns with their chosen worldview.
>>543310412The pagan gods aren’t actus purus. Later Greek philosophers interpreted them as created emanations of the singular Monad, which matches how in the myths themselves the Olympians took power from the Titans, who themselves were children of Uranus and Gaia (and those two also descended from others depending on the source you use). Even Odin (a son of Börr and Bestla) still needed Ymir for material to make Midgard out ofIn other words, the pagan gods are angels. cf. Deut. 32:8 and Judg. 2:3
>>5433104121 incoherent self contradition2 arbitrary but accepted3 that's just 24 ok5 okdoes not follow even accepting the unfounded assertions
>>543312049Yes it was cope made by later Greek philosophers (like Plotinus, Proclus, and the Neoplatonists) realized the logical problem of polytheism , but it's merely mythical very strong men rather than gods also If the pagan gods are just r"angels" who merely shaped pre-existing matter (like Odin using Ymir's body), Where did the matter come from ?In pagan myths, the initial state just exists. If you demote the gods to angels, you are left with an universe where matter is either eternal and uncreated, or you are forced to invent a hidden Actus Purus creator that the original myths themselves never mention.
>>543312273retarded brit wants to worship his wood .It’s not a contradiction: Change requires moving from potential to actual. A being that is already actualized doesn't need to change to act or know; its very existence is the act. it's basic logic: 2 things can only be distinct if one has a property the other lacks (Principle of the Identity of Indiscernibles). If they are identical in every way, they aren't two gods they are the exact same God.The conclusion absolutely follows: If the ultimate source must be one, then anyone else you call a 'god' is just a finite, created creature. you just admitted that your 'gods' are actually just high-level angels myths
>>543312683someone who can shapeshift, use telekinesis, know/decree the future, blind or kill people when revealing their true form, and live arbitrarily long seems categorically different to me than just a strong guy, but I do get your point>you are forced to invent a hidden Actus Purus creator that the original myths themselves never mentionEven discounting the mentions of Erebus or Chaos, what’s the issue with this? Most stories don’t start with a detailed account of the creation of the world; it’s not what the audience is there for
>>543312768This is so funny. If only god existed, there could be no change because god has no potential. He literally can't actualize the universe without acting on a potential that exists prior or simultaneous to himself. But if something already existed, he can't be the creator of all things.
>>543313901Canadian not beating the athecuck allegationsGod creates ex nihilo (out of nothing). The universe doesn't come from pre-existing fpotential; its potential to exist comes entirely from Him.God doesn't change to create: An author doesn't physically mutate when they write a sentence. The universe changes and exists in time, but (God) remains completely unaffected.It's like the ultimate source of reality like a carpenter who needs wood. Try reading a philosophy book canadian cuck
>>543310412you need to watch this OPhttps://rumble.com/v7f9fqa-marching-to-zion-2015.html?e9s=src_v1_s%2Csrc_v1_s_o%2Csrc_v1_rso&sci=069cb881-c2cf-45ce-9c25-f152ccd7b2a7
>>543310412I don't even think they were polytheistic. It's different aspects of the same God in their trinity. "Ilu" is literally an ideograms for all Assyrians gods and the sons of the gods come from successors of different people taking over a country. It's also like calling the Egyptian god different names during different parts of the day.
>>543314197>creates ex nihilo (out of nothing)Illogical. You may have a point with creation ex deo with some panentheist explanation or whatever but this doesn't make any sense.
>>543310412The one true religion of White people is Judeophillia.
>>543314197>God creates ex nihiloI use anti-magic barrier therefore your magic fails.>God doesn't change to createI know he didn't start creating the universe. He's still not doing it.>An author doesn't physically mutate when they write a sentence.So writing the sentence is physically identical to not writing it. It's incredible that they manage to publish books in spite of this.
>>543310412Paganism is a larp for sure. But you can't look me in the eye and say Genesis and Exodus really happened. Christianity is a total larp, and you're larping as some desert niggers which makes it way worse. At least with paganism you get some insight into human nature that's untainted by the neurosis of desert incels.
>>543316689>"Ilu" is literally an ideograms for all Assyrians godsWait so is this where Tolkien got the name Iluvatar?
