The 4 Europeans
Slavs = Romans > Helenics >>>>>>> Germanics
>>543327671Hungary is all?
>>543327738facts
All I see is Muslims and niggers
>>543327790hungary is actually none, they are huns
>>543327671Wot about Celts, m8?
>>543327790Hungary is, like Finland, Uralic. As in, from the Ural mountains.
>>543327738This
>>543327864Died out like 1500 years ago
Meanwhile in reality:
>>543327811gem image
>>543327849I thought they were the Magyars?
>>543327738They all come from Aryan origins anyway of white skinned blue-eyed gingers, and slavs are not Romans HAHAHAHAHA coping orc.>>543327811>>543327880SLAVS ARE NOT ROMANS you FUCKING morons
We are our separate race and superior in every way to all the others
>>543327913No they didn't. All the "germanics" in OPs picture are actually Celts. Only Scandinavians are Germanics. Anglos love to larp ass Germans for some reason.
>>543327738you are currently busy killing each other on mud fields like the apes you are wheras we are busy getting to Mars you filthy drunk slavnigger
>>543327923>hehe im gonna dissect each group even more, hehe owned, hehe
>>543327671>Brits are GermanicsThey're not even the same species.
>>543327913And the Romans didn't? They were invaded by Germans and North Africans.
>>543328043That's right, faggot wannabe german.
>>543327671What a great example of how drawing straight lines at right angles on a map leads to random retarded conclusions
>>543327738Germanics invented everything and hellenics is pretty much irrelevant, those countries could disappear today and no one would bat an eye
>>543328091You will never be a real poster. You have no flag, you have no bumps, you have no point. You are a shill ashamed of his location, twisted by memeflags into a crude mockery of geography’s perfection.All the “bumps” you get are careless and accidental. In other threads people mock you. The mods laugh at your pitiful posts in private chat rooms.Anons are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of hours of shitposting have allowed anons to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even shills who “pass” just waste time and never reach bump limit. Your post structure is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk anon to reply to you, he’ll turn tail and bolt the second he gets a whiff of your 1pbtid, coombait shill thread.You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your geographically determined location, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know an Israeli is buried there. Your posts will go unbumped and slide into the archive, and all that will remain of your legacy is a series of 4plebs links.This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.
>>543328100What does that have to do with you?
>>543328008You failed to take over the world with Darude "Sandstorm" and you will likewise fail this time, Suomi
>>543328143You can call an anglo anything under the sun but tell him he's not german and he chimps out in a murderous rage.
>>543328218
>>543328367Depends, are you done larping?
>>543327671MARCH OF THE TITANS
>>543327983"Magyar" is Hungarian for "Hun".
>>543327864>>543328024ethnoLARP
>>543328525>Nortwest euroNice scientifically backed classification, retard. Is that your feelgood cope map?
>>543327995I don’t even understand the obsession with blonde hair/red hair/blue eyes. They aren’t even the biggest civilization builders in the entirety of history. They’re just more rare.
>>543327671WE WUZ ROMENZ N SHEEEEEEIT then according to this nonsense
>>543328437"are you done larping" says the memeflag, kippa straining on his balding crown
>>543327790Hungary is steppe nomad horseniggers
>>543328647>t. brown eyes >t. brown hair>t. brown id
>>543328710I know what I am, you're the one with an identity crisis.
>>543327864All dead except the Welsh and Cornish
>>543327923>White RussiaYep. Everyone else are not.
>>543328602Cope
>>543328740it's the eye of the aryancane, the least white place of all
>>543327671>spaniards>WOPS> swarthy frogs >roman Lmao
>>543327671It's too high
making turkoids and the levant "hellenics" seems generousmaybe before alexander died, but not now
>>543328770Lmao, it's actually pathetic how bad you want to be germanic>>543328941Germans are majority Celtic themselves, they are themselves guilty of larping LOL.
>>543328767kek, self owned without me even trying
>>543329236r1b is not a celtic haplogroup you ethnoLARPing spastic
>>543327671>Romans>EuropeanIntegrating Gaul made them European. The Romans, the Patricians at least, were Trojan refugees stemming most likely from Asia Minor. I doubt you'd consider Phrygians or Phoenicians as European either.
>>543327671Hungary and Finland are not even Indo-Aryan.
>>543329140turkturds are slavs
>>543327671Genocide germanics and we call all live together in harmony and progress.Those subhumans have caused more suffering to world than any race except jews, their natural masters after angloid tribe took lead of their wretched """culture group""" Bongs, Amerimutts, scandcucks and krauts should all be mass euthanized, but only after jews, then the niggers will follow after germs.
>>543328094>What a great example of how drawing straight lines at right angles on a map leads to random retarded conclusions
None of these maps are remotely accurate, people aren't getting swabbed or blood tested en masse to breakdown their genetic make up. The figures presented are entirely hearsay and dependent upon lucrative fake gene-sequencing companies, ones whose totals are nearly worthless anyway at less than 5% population in a given region.Yet faggots here are pushing them as if they're some sort of akashic record.
>>543327671It's actually a lot more complicated. I detect a low class brit.
>>543328079They survived, they're called Romanians, Italians, Spanish and Fr*nch now.Celts were gocided and assimilated. Geneshit is irrelevant compared to language.
>>543329311This is obviously just a heatmap of the R1b subclade which you share. This doesn't change anything about the amount of Germanic I1 and I2b you have, which is less not even 15%. This shit proves nothing. Scandinavians share your subclade but that doesn't make the ones living in scandinavia Germanic. R1b and I1 are two different races, fucking moron.
>>543328525Why are the Baltic different from the rest?
>>543329311If it were a heatmap oif the actual germanic genes you would be as orange as Poland.
>>543330162Because we're a seperate thing
>>543327671I love it>>543327738true
>>543327671>Top leftArabs>Top rightIndians>Bottom leftNafris>Bottom rightPakisThere fixed it for you
>>543327864Celto-Germanic anon where ye at?
>>543327864Subsumed into "Germanic" in OP's pic. They were swallowed up by Germs over the centuries, so that they're not really separate. You could possible call parts of the British Isles "Germanic-Celtic", maybe parts of a few other countries too, but it's not strictly needed.
>>543328025Based
>>543330053It do be like that.
>>543327671me in the middle
>>543330053There is virtually no celtic dna in the british islesStop ethnoLARPing>>543330148>>543330213memeflag cope
>>543330923You can call the R1b component "super-aryan-nordo-germanic-übermensh" if it makes you fell better, doesn't change the fact that it's neither a I1(nordic germanic) nor I2b (saxon). You're the one coping, faggot.
>>543328025> we are busy getting to Marsfucking how, lol
>>543328025Slavs are busy worshipping Mars by killing each other on the mud fields.
>>543327671Celts are 100% white faggot.
>>543331139memeflag cope
>>543331257based pirate
>>543330923>There is virtually no celtic dna in the british islesbiiig doubt. Why do you argue this? Because the Celtic languages mostly died? Celtic speaking peoples surely intermarried and assimilated wherever English speaking peoples conquered. That said, the proportion of "Celtic" vs. Germanic DNA in the Brit Isles is certainly up for debate. Saw a study comparing Anglo-Saxon period graves in England to Danish graves from same period, it concluded something like the English graves varied from 0% similar to the Danish ones to around 60-65% I think, although most were not close to those extremes. A second issue here is: How different genetically were Western European Iron Age Celtic speakers from Iron Age Scandinavians (who spoke proto-Germanic). The difference is surely very very minimal at best. The Romans, after all, described both Celtic and Germanic speaking peoples as being tall, pale, with frequent light hair and eyes. Anyway, happy to contribute to a thread /pol/! I don't browse here often, but think I may do so more.
>>543327671It's neat how it fits on straight lines
>>543327671Yeah, about that.
>>543331391You think the people who were around in Britain before the Romans and Anglo Saxons were genetic "celts" when in reality they were genetic bell beakers who adopted celtic culture and language. The Bell beakers who arrived in Britain came from the netherlands/rhine germany and were genetically almost indistinguishable from the anglo saxons.The Romans didn't consider them celtic as well. There's not one roman text that calls the people of Britain "celts"
>>543327671No Celtics. Weird Finno-Urgics and Basques
>>543327671>Slavs=RomansLol, lmao
>>543327738>>543331507
Also, Venice was founded by Vistula Veneti, proto-Slavs/Poles.
>>543327671
>>543331602
>>543328153>What does that have to do with you?He is an anglo (Anglo-Saxon, Angel-Sachsen) - a German tribe.French as example are Franko (the Franken) - German tribe too. And so on.You on the other hand are a meme (memo (to myself to stop replying to meme flags))
>>543328024>Only Scandinavians are Germanics.Why? Because only Scandis have enough of a certain set of genes? Genuinely interested.You can include language in the argument though, or even just go by frequency of light hair and eyes.I've never noticed Anglos in particular larping as "Germanic" (not German, dumbass), but they are as Germanic as anyone else save the Danes, Norweggers, and Swedes of course. Aside from their actual countries' names of course, what's the best term to describe the countries that speak a Germanic language outside Scandinavia? Genetically, they're mostly made up of Celtic speaking peoples and late Germanic peoples, plus a bit of Slav in Germany/Austria's case and a bit of French in Britain's case, and I guess Celt/French in Holland/Belgium. I'd say just call these countries Germanic unless we can identify significant "Celtic" contributions to the countries' languages, cultures, genes, etc.
>>543331659He's Polish. This thread causes a lot of seethe.So many memeflags.
Das rite western slovakia is germanig
>>543327671And they're all effeminate cucks
>>543327738FPBP
>>543331706Only I1A is Germanic. R1B is Celt and most Western Europeans are R1B.
The Sacred Quartet
>>543331486>>543331659>>543331706Semantics, you're arguing semantics, fucking labels. Do you even realize how tiny the saxon component in Germany even was? The saxons were majority R1b "celtic" genetically, only a tiny fraction was genetically I2b germanic saxon. It doesn't matter what they called themselves or what we call them today.
>>543327738spoken like a true jew pretending to be russian
>>543327738Brown hands typed this
>>543331816Yeah. Western Europeans are genetically Celts, speaking Germanic languages.
>>543327738TRVKE FPBP
>>543331816I thought you were fucking racists on this board, be actual racists then, retards.
>>543327923>OP: europe is broadly composed of 4 groups>hah, chekmate OP! here is my statistical graph which proves that Europe is actually totally not broadly composed of 4 groups, but instead broudly composed of 4 groups!nigger level of stupid
>>543328025Will Mars toilets have the poopenshelf?
The English are 50% insular Celt/Brythonic, 20% continental Celt/Gaul and just under 30% Germanic.
>>543328025>we are busy getting to Marswho the fuck is "we"?
>>543331942What a retard, I said the "germanics" should be labeled as "celts". BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY ACTUALLY ARE, YOU LARPING WANNABE GERMANIC APE!
>>543332088Pic rel. >Germanic languages did not appear before the Nordic Bronze Age (before 500 BCE). Proto-Germanic language probably developed as a blend of two branches of Indo-European languages, namely the Proto-Balto-Slavic language of the Corded-Ware culture and the arrival of Proto-Italo-Celto-Germanic people from the Unetice culture (R1b-L11). This is supported by the fact that Germanic people are a R1a-R1b hybrid, that these two haplogroups came via separate routes at different times, and that Proto-Germanic language is closest to Proto-Italo-Celtic, but also shares similarities with Proto-Slavic.
>>543331486>they were genetic bell beakers who adopted celtic culture and language.Very based! Haven't seen many people who are informed enough to call the pre-Roman Britons "Bell Beakers", which is the most proper term, although they spoke Celtic. It always bothers me a bit when people refer to these Britons "Celts.""Celtic" has never been a great term to identify groups of people, and it's not now. I think it became popular in the 1800s, as some Scots or Irish were trying to drum up nationalism separate from England. It's been so fraught in fact, with assholes all over the world claiming "Celticness" because they have a distant ancestor from Ireland or wherever, that, a Celtic "expert" Barry Cunliffe concluded that someone is "Celtic" if they believe they are celtic. Ultimately, NO ONE IS REALLY CELTIC. It's a word to describe a group of languages. Now, how much you can use analogous terms like Latin and Germanic to refer to peoples not just languages, i don't know. Great post overall man. I also have argued the Celtic-speaking NW Euros of -4000 BC to 400 AD were effectively the same as Northern Euros of the time genetically. You are quite informed anon. I'd say this is another reason why "Celtic" shouldn't be used to refer to groups of people -- they were never really distinct from other Europeans enough to warrant a separate term.So then --- what is the best term for the people of NW Europe, and where is the line that distinguishes them from their Euro cousins? Does this group include Scandinavia? Southern France? Does the line stop at Germany's eastern Border? etc. etc.
>>543332092nobody gives a shit what you think, God-hating jew rat. Your racism has nothing to do with our racism. As you are a filthy worm who hates God and wants to eradicate his creation in revenge, your racism is designed to destroy everything good and noble. But our racism is designed to elevate everything good and noble. You are not even human, filthy rat. You don't get to talk on human matters.
>>543331598based and truthpilled
>>543327738holy fucking based
>>543331816>Do you even realize how tiny the saxon component in Germany even was? The saxons wereDid I wrote saxons or did I wrote ANGLO-SAXONS? Your frantically collected GPT bullshit is 1.: wrong and 2.: on the wrong term. It's like thinking York and New York would be the same because the term "York". Fucking dumbass memeflaggot.Enough time spend on your gay ass, time to eat smt.
>>543332152Germanics are I1A Corded Ware peoples who dominated Scandinavia (via the local Battle Axe and Single Grave cultures). Celts are Bell Beaker R1B people who migrated northward from Central Europe into Denmark and southern Scandinavia around 2350 BCE.Danes are Celts, their name literally comes from the Celtic god’s name Dan after which the Danube is also named, but they speak a Germanic language and have some I1A genetic input. That’s all.
Slavs>Russian Empire (one of the biggest in world history)Slavs>Saved Westoids at Vienna (Poles)Slavs>Nicola Tesla , Greatest Genius (Serbs)Slavs>Prussia, from the balti-dlavic tribe, uplifted the hapless wearoid Germans into an unitary state and world military power.Slavs>Greatest WHITE FightersEmilanenko, Mijocic, YanSlavs>No gayness, no white cuckold complexSlavs>Greatest GamesWitcher 3 (Poles)
D&C threads, the best threads.
>>543327738Based.
>>543332293more celtic ethnoLARPThe bell Beakers did not speak celtic languages. the "celts" didnt even exist thenceltic culture is a gay made up ethnoLARP
>>543331659They turned the best brothers against each other and Germans are one of the most respectful, clean and polite European countries still to this day!
>>543331790Is there no other genetic marker unique to Scandis/Germanics? is I1a really the only thing separating them from the hordes??
>>543327671fixd
>>543332423Bell beakers didn’t speak Germanic either, they spoke proto-Indo-European, of which Celtic languages and Basque derived from. You’re a Celtic man larping as a Germanic. All those populations in your chart are ethnically Celtic too btw. A nigger speaking English doesn’t make him an Englishman, or maybe it does in your book.
>>543327864We’re racially Germanic and culturally Celtic (not to say the rest of the chart is racially accurate overall)
>>543328008You've got beautiful language. I hope you guys can find a final solution to the Swedish question inside your land
>>543330162Their geography was ideal for fighting off invading mongol rapists apparently.
>>543332387The D&C was already established when you decided you are not the same people as Africans. Now we are just watching how far we can go.
>>543332088Of course this would vary a good bit depending on what part of Britain we're talking about (I'd include the Scots with them, since they were thoroughly Anglo'd and have a Norse component as well). >>543332092No one in Europe and no once who's a descendant of Euros is a "Celt." As stated above, this term has been misused for decades. Barely any people even speak Celtic (note the correct use of the term here) languages anymore. Even if you could genetically test someone to be 85% the same as a pre-Roman Briton, those people weren't necessarily in some "Celtic" genetic group, which no one has ever really asserted exists.
>>543332640> when you decidedWhite apotheosis right there
>>543327671based
>>543332706Your worldview not mine
>>543332480I1A is the Nordic Bronze Age haplogroup and associated with Scandinavians. It’s indigenous to Scandinavia and first appeared in Sweden. The earlier I1A carriers didn’t speak proto-Indo-European, they spoke a pre-Germanic non-Indo-European substrate and were hunter gatherers with a completely different culture and language to the other mainland Europeans.
>>543332480R1a-Z284(Battle-Axe culture, still heavily present in western Scandinavia/Norway), R1b-U106(Single-grave culture, southern route of CWC derived incomers into Scandinavia, most frequent among southern Germanics i.e Dutch/Danish)
>>543332293according to this:>>543332141Danes are 64% germanic and 34% "celtic." I don't think it's proper to call any of these people "Germanic" Outside of the predominantly germanic Scandi countries, but even more so, none should be called "Celtic." In addition to not speaking celtic languages for centuries, none of these countries is even predominantly "genetically Celtic," whatever that means. You're saying it means predominantly R1b. Okay, I guess that's fair if we're doing the same with other peoples as in germanic = I1a, but outside this thread, I'm never gonna refer to anyone as a "celt." That's tomfoolerly from a bygone era of Irish and Scottish nationalism, when they tried to allege they had something in common, including with Wales, Cornwall, and Breton loool.
>>543327671What a retarded map. Google "the roman empire map" you baboon.
>>543332088a good mix of celt and germanic dna is superior to full germanic. there I said it.
>>543332760Africans didn't exist to us until mid-20th century, then they were brotherly peoples we ought to help overcome capitalist pigdogism and build institutions dedicated to Patrice Lumumba herenow we just don't talk about them, because we have enough shit on our own plate
>>543332092Here is a map of Germanics sir. Hope you learned something.
>>543332875it's fine to call the pre-Germanic expansion substratum of western-central Europe "Celtic" as long as one understands although Celtic by language after the latter expanded in large part if was a cultural/elite phenomenon and the "Celts" of Aquitania, as noted even by Romans, were different obv. from Celts of Belgiumbasically culturally/linguistically Celtified remnants of the disparate Bell Beaker culture groups speaking old unknown languages that one probably can reasonably call para-Italo-Celtic
Isn't UK afro-arabic-india?
Around 2800 BCE, pastoralists from the Corded Ware culture entered Scandinavia via maritime routes across the Baltic Sea and land routes through Denmark. Paternally, these men were overwhelmingly carriers of the R1a haplogroup with some R1B.Scandinavia was already inhabited by Mesolithic hunter-gatherers and Neolithic farmers (like the Pitted Ware and Funnelbeaker cultures). The indigenous hunter-gatherers carried the paternal lineage I1A, which had mutated and concentrated in Scandinavia over millennia.So essentially it was R haplogroup men who taught Indo European language and culture to the previously isolated I1A Scandinavians. Over 30% of the proto-Germanic languages carried a non-Indo-European substrate with no clear origin, likely from the R1A Scandinavians and their previous non-Indo European language.This might be why Scandinavians are seen as a little autistic because they weren’t originally part of our group, we just invited them to hang with us and eventually they did and became assimilated with the rest of us.
>>543333003Yes but this thread is about the past
>>543332141>Norweggers and Icelanders around 30% Insular CelticNo doubt from raiding the Bong Isles for thralls and interbreeding with them, since Sweden has very little celtic admixture. It's a bit surprising though since all they're Scandi brothers are much more Isular Celtic. >>543332555>culturally celticlol no. What does that even mean? What about Ireland is culturally Celtic and how does it dominate non-Celtic parts of its culture?
>>543327738>WE WUZING...
>>543332921Agreed. Western Europeans are mostly that anyway.>>543332875Danes are like 35% Germanic if we are following I1A which is the marker of trve Scandinavians. UK is about 10-15% I1A in comparison.
all this autism about the Celtic/Germanic admixture in North-Western Europe makes no senseI see so many British, French and German flags arguing with each other whether our nations are more Germanic or Celtic influenced but it is very hard to distinguish between Celtic and Germanic populations anyway as we both descended from the same Corded Ware population and have highly similar percentage of ANF, WHG and yamnaya. I go as wide and say that Celto-Germanic populations were and are part of the same peopleAlso all the drunkard Slavs coping in this thread, who the hell are you even kidding? North-Western Europe is the pinnacle of human history and we even surpassed Italians and Greeks over the last centuries
>>543333108It’s well known that Iceland, Denmark, Norway etc were Scandinavian-Celtic sexing grounds. Swedes are the most trve Norse around 50% I1A and they still have 20% R1A from the intermingling I mentioned here >>543333029But they also have 20% R1B from the Bronze Age cultural mingling too.
>>543328742hes right desu youre just coping hard xD
>>543330023this obvious
>>543333002>the "Celts" of Aquitania, as noted even by Romans, were different obv. from Celts of Belgiumyes. One of the reason Romans referred to peoples according to their tribe rather than language group is because of this, because celtic speaking peoples living 500 miles apart could be plenty different enough not to collectively refer to them as Celts. Even 2070 years ago Julius Caesar was smarter about this sort of thing than 99% of people today.> remnants of the disparate Bell Beaker culture groups That's probably as good a definition as any for "celtic." But even still "remnants of disparate Bell Beakers" is probably better and more precise and more helpful, that is, for readers who are familiar with these topics anyway.
>>543333195exactly what actually leads to the conclusion that a distinction between Celts and Germanics makes no sense and is useless
>>543333029>So essentially it was R haplogroup men who taught Indo European language and culture to the previously isolated I1A Scandinavians.I bet you're right about this. >Over 30% of the proto-Germanic languages carried a non-Indo-European substrate with no clear origin, likely from the R1A Scandinavians and their previous non-Indo European language.are there any remnants of this in Germanic languages today, or in older ones e.g., Old English or Old Norse? There must be a little something, at least. But light hair and eyes didn't originate with I1A, right? I can't remember who/where though.
>>543330053all i see are anglos in that pic
lol im a slav
>>543333333
>>543327995yes we are romans lil boy
>>543327864Apparently, half is Roman, the other half Germanic.Former isn't wrong, all of Northern "Roman" peninsula was effectively Celtic clay, and any Blue-eyed/Blond Roman was de-facto a Celt mutt of some sort.
>>543333374congrats
>>543333257Yeah, given the post you're quoting and everything else ITT, I agree there's no use in distinguishing the two. I suppose for now "Celto-Germanic" is a decent term, although all these countries speak a Germanic language. "Northwestern Euros" isn't great, although it does essentially note that there is sort of a mix between Northern (Germanic) and Western Celtic peoples.
>>543333257Germany was basically pure Evropa. R1B, R1A and I1A kino. It’s a shame Hitler didn’t win. >>543333300A lot of words for sea, ships, tides etc come from the mysterious ancient I1A Scandinavian language because Indo-Europeans were landlocked in the middle of Siberia. As well as some words for nature. Those ‘alien’ words have become part of our vocabulary though, so they are now familiar to us and seen as part of modern Germanic.
>>543327671The famously Germanic Irish, Scot, Welsh, Cornish, and Breton. The famously Slavic Finn and Estonian. The famously Hellenic Turk. Great map, OP
>>543328076found the turkroach
>>543333537Indo-European words are easily identifiable because they have obvious cognates all across Europe and places in Asia where Indo-Europeans colonised. They show clear ancestral roots like Moder (Swedish) / Mother (English) / Mater (Latin) / Mātṛ (Sanskrit).Numbers like Tre (Swedish) / Three (English) / Tres (Latin) / Tráas (Sanskrit).Animals of the Steppe like Ko (Swedish) / Cow (English) / Gaus (Sanskrit).Then there is the non-Indo-European layer from Scandinavians. Linguists know they are non-Indo European because they completely lack cognates in any other Indo-European language branch. They form an isolated linguistic "island" unique to the Germanic languages and are speculated to have come from the previously isolated I1A Scandinavians original language.True isolates are words like Sjö (sea) and Skepp (ship) and Kött (meat/cuts).
>>543327738t. churka
>>543327671>"Romans"kek can't write Latins because 4chud is a zogmerican site and the dumbphuks will think it's about some mexican indios
>>543333597>Irish>Scottish>Cornish>not germanic holy lol
>>543333819Language is not genetics. Or do you consider Mexicans and Brazilians to be Roman?
>>543333597Yeah, you are GermanicYou descend from Proto Germanic Bell Beakers, Cluster with Scandinavians, Dutch and North Germans, and now you all speak English anyway
>>543333819>>543333968Golly, by that standard, Americans would be white! Hahaha, what a ridiculous thought! I nearly soiled meself.
>>543333968So you'll admit that Language is not genetics yet you'll consider yourself "Celtic" despite there being no genetic influx of Celts into Ireland, and the Irish being historically a Bell Beaker people who adopted Celtic Language and Culture?
>>543333968In all honesty, the groups you named aren't properly celtic or Germanic. Best to call them Celto-Germanic, like other Germanic speaking peoples outside Scandinavia. This is really the main point of the thread so far. See: >>543333990There's really no such thing as "celtic" anymore except to refer to languages almost no one speaks.
>>543331659Iberians are visigoths, they are germans too, and Italians are ostrogoths
>>543327816There is a world outside Dearborn, Michigan.
>>543333990Quiet down, 11th century French rape baby, the adults are arguing Irish are an endangered indigenous population, gibs pls or u r raycis & I cancel u
>>543333819stupid amerinigger that won't admit 75% of his ancestry is probably from ENGLAND>daaah I'm achwaleu scorch airesh on my grandmother's I mean my great grandfather's I mean my great cousin father's sisters husband's father's side.england is germanic, France is mostly germanic too. irish are generally considered subhuman hobgoblins and scottish are weasely drug addictsWelsh are ungerman as they weren't conquered, they're closer to spaniards
"Celts" aka Western British Island people and Germanics CAN be distinguished it's just a fine substructure, not exactly something to chimp about, that's it
>>543334180bruh, I'm literally 72% English/Scottish (same thing as English). The rest is a smattering of "Irish/german/norwegian," but I consider most of that "genetic noise." I'm from a part of the country where the whites are 95% Anglo, and all my ancestors have Anglo last names. I HATE Americans who claim to be "Irish/German/etc" because they have a great great whatever. They can fuck off, and in the meantime speak MY language. The language of God-Kings. Are we clear, Spain-bro?
>>543334180>France is mostly germanic too.Doubtful, maybe outside far northeast France. Any source to back this up?
>>543332152>>543332141>>543328525>>543330053>Celts aren't real kill every child in Cornwall my faithful shabbos>t. Baron Nosferatu de Rothschild writes a letter to Cromwell, mid 1600s.
>>543334172>denies actual genetic studies>continues larping as "celt" (19th century historical identity)Cope>>543334230Two Brothers can be dinstinguished on genetic tests. It literally means nothingIrish people are closer to swedes than North Germans are to South Germans, stop coping>>543334311Not an argument ethnoLARPerActual celts were central european swiss french halstatt german types, irish people are just germanic bell beakers LARPing as something completely different
>>543334476>Two Brothers can be dinstinguished on genetic testsnice self own, indeed, that's why we don't consider them the same person or twinslikewise, WBI cluster and Germanics can be consistently distinguished, even if it's finer-mesh inter-European variation, and that's even before bringing uniparentals in
>>543334476Germanic = I1A. They were not Indo-Europeans. They were a genetically isolated tribe of hunter gatherers who later mingled with CWC and Bell Beaker peoples.
>>543327671>>543327738Germans destroyed Rome, they destroyed the Church, they destroyed Europe in the 1910s and the 1940s and in the 2010s. Why the FUCK does anyone pretend they're anything but the niggers of the continent?
>>543334476Continental Celts migrated from Central Europe northward to Scandinavia 2800 years ago. Original Scandinavians were I1A hunter gatherers who spoke a non-Indo European language. Proto-Germanic language only appeared around 500BC.
>>543327738hahahaha
>>543333597OP is fucking retarded. How shocking.
>>543334811there's no I1 found yet anywhere in Scandinavia except for 1 SHG in Gotland until the big nordic bronze age founder effect, SHG were essentially all I2 and even some rare EHG derived R1bthe by far closest aDNA sample found so far in terms of phylogenetic position is from northern Germany, a WHG
>>543334476>Not an argument ethnoLARPerActually pointing out that you're in alignment with jews is the most important argument of all.Pattern recognition beats everything.
btw, I guess also kinda worth mentioning, the relatively famous Chancelade man, which is one of the best preserved cromagnoid skulls, is now officially the oldest I1 found yet at ~16000BC
>>543335163Jews promote celtic larp identity and celtolarp nationalism you retarded yank spastic
>>543327880you are germanized, you are not slavs anymore
>>543335203Everything anti celt is instantly suspect of being jewish lmao. The jews spent half the last millennium seething about Celts.
>>543335296No celtic identity existed prior to the 19th century so how could they spend the last half millenium "seething" about them?
>>543334987I’m aware of offshoots of Indo Europeans in that area, there were also R1A tribes living there, I’m talking about I1A Scandinavians who had the biggest genetic impact on Scandinavia and whose ancient language 1/3 of Proto-Germanic was borrowed from. >>543335359Completely retarded argument. The Aryan theory was dismissed as Nazi pseudoscience until the 2010s when it was definitively proven correct. I suppose you think Aryans didn’t exist either.
>>543335598You've been ethnoLARPing this entire thread stop coping pal
>>543335640Saxons were a hodgepodge of Gauls and Nords. That’s why some are R1B and closest to Irish and some are I1A and closest to Swedes. Overall they left little genetic mark on Britain, most Bongs are still 70% or more indigenous Briton.
>>543335598I ain't indo- fucking anything m8dunno bout you
>>543335947You’re most likely a student visa chink.
>>543327738slav is where the term slave came from. its due to their immeasured tolerance for humiliation. everything from prima noctis to jewlags, child levies to child rape, human trafficking to pornography in current year. from slav came slave.
>>543335640Different R1B subclades too.
>>543336078You're definitely no Sherlock Holmes
>>543327671>>543327738Ermm let's not fight Germanics invented everything though
>>543335598>The Aryan theory was ... was definitively proven correct.I'm not suggesting you're wrong, but just curious, could you explain/source this claim? I'm quite interested. It's going to be interesting moving forward as science gets more sophisticated and we get a clearer picture on the differences between different groups of homo sapiens sapiens. Ofc, the leftist idea that we are all 100% the same is false, so how will they cope with the evidence coming out and coming out in the future showing that skin color does in fact connect to meaningful genetic differences? Will be amusing except for how disturbing it will be.
Isn't europe all brown now? Eurofags have a bizarre fetish for arabic culture and traditions.
>>543328525>"West Euro"Doesn't exist.There's Northwest, there's Southwest, and there's mutt central.Same apples to East Med in the East btw
--->543336576You're gay and so is your map. KYS yourself.
>>543336672What's the most mutted country in Yurop? Germany, France, or Austria? Since they're near the middle. Or one of the Balkan countries?
>>543327923how would you symbolize the clustering?
>>543327738"Germanics" > everyone else. / thread.
>>543327671Needs celts and iberians, and roman isn't an ethnic category >>543328024Hmm, no not really.
>>543328008Strange that estonians have so much turk dna.
>>543336796Depends on what timeframe you are asking about.Right now? Probably France or one of the small ones like Belgium.I fear we will overcome them very fast.But back in the time these clusters were created?Romania when it comes to intra-European muttification, Southern Italy when it comes to non-European muttification.
>>543328024So even germans aren't germanic?
>>543336425It was finally proven that White people from the Steppe moved into Central Asia and then migrated into the Hindu Kush which is why there was a rapid near-total replacement of the Y male haplogroup in Northern India. It also explains why Sanskrit has so many similar root words to ancient European languages especially Baltic languages. The retard I responded to is basically trying to say Aryans don’t exist anymore simply because they no longer speak or write in Sanskrit or practice Vedic religions. Just because the culture shifts doesn’t mean the people are any different.
>>543337399have you seen Germany nowdays? its brown and black
>>543329063You seem to have forgotten the spain conquered half the known world
>>543327671>1pbtid>>543327849>they are huns>>543327983>the Magyars"Hungarians are Siberian: While the Hungarian language is Uralic and comes from the Volga-Ural region, the Magyars comprised a tiny minority of the Hungarian population. It isn’t even clear if the tiny bit of East Asian in Hungarians today is from them, or if it is from other steppe invasions. Although, it’s worth mentioning that the Magyars, like other Steppe nomads, had substantial European ancestry by the time they entered Europe. So it is certainly possible that while the total East Asian ancestry is negligible, the Magyar ancestry is higher. But I am skeptical. I am skeptical because it would be impossible to distinguish the Magyar ancestry from other post-IA Steppe Ancestry."https://kossina.substack.com/p/turks-are-not-greek-and-greeks-are?utm_source=publication-search
>>543337285>Needs celtsNo. See above ITT. "Celts" have long been subsumed, mostly into/with Germanics. also, has Iberians ever been an ethnic category?Of course, I'm referring strictly to European people -- not considering any of the recent, unfortunate browning of Europe. Hard to imagine France not being the most Euro-mutted land. They're in the perfect position for people from all over the continent to come and go, which many did of course, although I guess the Pyrenees and Alps present a bit of a barrier.
>>543327671>the Irish are germanicUh, no we're not. You bongs are but our language before you took over isn't germanic in the slightest.
>>543328008The Anatolian farmer / "West Asian" component in Europeans is much closer to Europe than the component found in modern West Asians.Greeks have high Early European Farmer and low Zagrosian and Natufi. Turks have low EEF and high Zagrosian and Natufi. The former pattern is common in Europeans.Other West Asians do not have any Cental Asian/Turkic component at all, so Turks are distinguished from them.The modern genetics of Greeks were formed entirely by the high middle ages, as a combination of Slavic admixture and Syro-Anatolian admixture from Roman and Byzantine times. Turks may have had some more influence on Island Greeks.https://kossina.substack.com/p/turks-are-not-greek-and-greeks-are?utm_source=publication-search
>>543337628>its brown and black>t.
>>543337455>White people from the Steppe moved into Central Asia and then migrated into the Hindu KushThis was a different branch of whites from the ones that settled Europe, right, meaning a branch that had a common ancestor with the ones who settled Europe? I'm not super familiar with pre-Ancient age stuff.
>>543327671new whiteness map just dropped
>>543335918They were not fucking Gauls, you stupid retard. You do not even know what Gauls are, Gauls were meditteranean swarthoids from the south of France, they are not even remotely genetically close to anyone from northwestern Europe. Schizophrenic sped.
>>543327671Guess we greek now, based.OPAAAAA
>>543336249>chatgptI have asked it these exact questions before, all it does is go around and round in circular reasoning. It says that Celts are not a genetic grouping in one answer and then says that they are composed of cultural, linguistic and genetic factors in a other but when you ask it to define the genetic part it just again says that Celts are not a genetics thing and basically says that the British ones calling themselves such are Germanics who just spoke a Celtic language and then it just goes on and on contradicting itself. It doesn't even know what it's talking about, it basically engages in obscurantism like you are doing now.
>>543337798https://www.jstor.org/stable/4091599This talks about how Lowland Scots were historically racially categorised, we were considered to be racially teutonic until the late twentieth century which has been pretty much memory holed.
>>543332584I doubt that, there has to be some genetic element as to why every single celtic nationalist movement is leftwing, while every germanic one is right.
>>543338627Genetic/congenital leftism is a thing yeah, but it doesnt mean you're literally a different race.
>>543327738Anti-clockwise from the Germanics
>>543327671Retard
>>543338519>https://www.jstor.org/stable/4091599>the misleading notion of a 'Celtic fringe'. Nineteenth-century Lowland Scots were not classified as Celts; indeed they vociferously projected a Teutonic racial identity. Thanks for posting, brother. My last name comes from the eastern border area of England+Scotland, although it's Anglo, not celtic. My other ancestors' names are all English too. >For some Scots the glory of Scottish identity resided in the boast that Lowlanders were more authentically 'English' than the English themselves. Of course people will take their ethnic pride "too far" sometimes until you've got a claim like this one. I can't say how accurate a Scot would be to think this during that time, but it's interesting and amusing still, regardless of its truth. Certainly, I know Lowland Scots are quite Anglo, forming a continuum with the Northern English, rather than a genetic "break" with the border. More "English" than the English though?? hmmm...
>>543334476>means nothing >Irish people are closer to swedes than North Germans are to South Germans, stop coping Kys limey
>>543339136My surname is actually an Anglicised Celtic surname personally.
>>543339136>>543338519Nope. Both Lowland Scottish men and northern English men overwhelmingly carry the insular Celtic subclade of R1B.
>>543339343mine is Latinized also
>>543339370Lowland Scots and Northern English show strong male genetic continuity since Roman times.
>>543327738truth nukeZ
>>543339370Yeah, but that's insular Celtic, no actual (halstatt) celtic.
>>543339482>>543339370Overall Anglo-Saxons are a pretty boring part of British history. They had a short run before being cucked by Vikings then completely buckbroken by the Normans.>Before 1066, roughly 4,000 to 5,000 Anglo-Saxon and Viking thegns and earls owned the land. Within 20 years, virtually all estates had been confiscated and handed over to a few hundred Norman barons and knights, with less than 5% of land still under Anglo-Saxon control.>Estimates that up to 100,000 people or 10% of the British population may have been killed. William the Conqueror used a brutal scorched-earth campaign to crush repeated Anglo-Saxon and Viking rebellions in England, almost completely destroying the previous nobility of England.
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>>543327671I CAN HAS SLAVI?!?
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>>543327671>HTJPmllboAAlX_e.jpgall the Hellenics have been slaughtered by Turks, only Turkoid-Gypsy mutts are left. FYI, also poles are jews, not Slavs/Germanics
>>543329063>tf>tpYou know your "country" exists because of France and Spain, right?
>>543340949>You know your "country" exists because of France and Spain, right?because of the jews, moreso
>>543327671Lmao the "Roman" area is littered with Visigoths, ostrogoths, Lombards and moors since the 5th - 8th centuries.
>>543327738Looks backwards, pass
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>>543342434>you are all nigger worshipping faggots who talk like niggers with your stupid nigger internet "meme" (nigger) ebonics. go be niggers on twitter you stupid nigger faggotstruke, the western culture is completely niggerfied, and this includes Europe, too
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