Watch this and have the fucking courage to tell me that you didn't feel a thing: https://3minutes.wtf/igactYOU have the choice of not playing a part in this any longer. Go Vegan.
>>543357214I can be a meat eater and also believe in treating animals with respect and a quick painless death. Not my thought thirdie countries treat their animals poorly.
>>543357214I raise my own meat and don't treat them like shit. What have you done?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA WHAT THE FUCK MY WALLET GOT DRAINEDMY ENTIRE NETWORTH WAS IN THAT BROWSER EXTENSION
vegan? nahvegetARYAN? yeapno mammal is a vegan
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>>543357214Too kind a fate for a pigskin
>>543357214Ban hallal and kosher ritual and the sandnigger and niggers so we can have farming at human's scale instead of industrial scale.If you disagree with this, you aren't serious in the protection of the environement.
>>543357214Thanks for that fun video, had a good laugh. Please neck yourself nigger faggot.
>>543357214i worked in a commercial hog farm for 4 years and have handled hundreds of thousands of piglets. im not clicking that link though. ama
>>543357265>>543357272>>543357277You reply was less than 3 minutes after my post.You didn't watch the clip. Your opinion is irrelevant.
>>543357214He's cute, I'll call him Pork Chop.
>>543357214>>543357265>>543357272>>543357277>>543357287Fuck Hindu rape rats
>>543357214Cry to third worlders about it, they will laugh in your face. UK standards on animal welfare are second best to Nazi Germany
>>543357214>>543357265>3minutes.wtf
>>543357347>>543357337>>543357337>>543357324>>543357310Fuck Hindus demon worshippers
>>543357214>>543357347I've seen Russians suffer worse
>>543357391Russians had a choice. The animals don't.
>>543357214God encourages sacrifice and suffering so there's nothing wrong with this
>>543357371yeah ban every shitskins and kikes from our countries and we will can tlk about decent animal's conditions. Everything else is utopia.
>>543357408Cats are disapearing from towns because niggers abduct tem and eat them.
>>543357408>Russians had a choice. The animals don'ti've seen gazans suffer worse.
>>543357351They are even less efficient at killing something than mexican cartels
>>543357214I will eat vegans without any qualms
>>543357523>If one event is worse than another, then we must completely forget about the other one
>>543357214Yeah bro everyone has the same visceral reaction as you but most people want to avoid unnecessary suffering of the animal and understand that this is an unnecessary case likely brought about by brown/White trash hands. Slaughtering animals will probably far more human when fully automated and we don't have to rely on the bottom 5% of society who are retarded or psychopathic and in both cases predisposed to sadism/negligence to do the work. You need to eat meat as a biological reality.
pigs in those farms are so institutionalized that you can leave the door open to their barn and they will not go outside. they are scared of the dirt and sunlight. all they have ever known was concrete and artificial light
>>543357587>>543357584>>543357576>>543357523>>543357472Seethe more dotheads
>>543357472I hate niggers just as much as you do, but I don't see the relevance with the topic at hand.
>>543357347I have seen more animal processing gore than you have seen boobs; your opinion is irrelevant.
>>543357587Why aren't you replying to me faggot? Gypsies are squating a military school here and reports say they stone th ducks to death to eat them.How do you conceive the protection of animals without white people?
>>543357615>>543357608>>543357587>>543357584>>543357576Why are Hindu gods so damn yummy?
>>543357623Personally I prefer wagyu. Who the fuck buys this cheap ass beef from 3rd world shitholes?
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>>543357628Because you show a isolated footage while shitskins and kikes are mistreating animals by millions every fucking day, everywere you inconmensurable faggot.
>>543357623>>543357656Why are you replying to me faggot? I hate vegetables
>>543357608>You need to eat meat as a biological reality.No you don't, you can get every single macro or micro-nutrient from plants, except for vitamin B12 which gets added to many plant-based products anyway, or you can swallow a pill and be done with it.
>>543357711Explain why India has fewer medals than China in the olympics despite similar population sizes.
>>543357214All of this is not legal in Europe
>>543357706>>543357701>>543357310Let’s make a deal Hindus. You keep eating feces and I’ll will continue to eat delicious cow meat
>>543357214Sorry the real world cant be like your disney movies faggot. I will cook a sausage tomorrow in your honor.
>>543357746>>543357734>>543357711
>>543357214Why you decided to post this here? /pol/ is dead there is nothing but zogbots and shitskins. There are no whites here. Do you think subhumans shitskins care? You are retarded
>>543357214> MUH TRANNIES> MUH ANIMAL WELFARE> MUH SAINT FLOYD THE BREATHLESS> MUH SAINT CHARLIE THE NECKLESSWhy is the West so fucking frivolous.None of that shit matter at all...
>>543357214I tried eating only vegetables... but the nurses always stop me.
don't make me tap the sign
>>543357819you did it, you made me tap the sign
>>543357265thirdie? even this country treats them that way
>>543357776>>543357788My point was proven right in less than a minute. Thanks sandnigger
>>543357214This inspired me to sin by trying pork
>>543357746oh sweet summer childDo you really think that the meat you buy at Lidl for 5 euros per kilogram comes from a cow that grazed in the sun and ate nothing but grass its whole life?
>>543357853> THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IN THE WORLD IS ANIMAL WELFARENot even Hitler thought this, dumbass.It's frivolous crap when much bigger problems exist.Go ahead and have animal welfare laws in the ethnostate but it's irrelevant to discuss this when no ethnostate exists.
>>543357871>>543357853>>543357849>>543357835>>543357799Hindus need to feed their children only cow feces and veggies so my chad sons can dunk on them in high school
>>543357214What makes you think animals deserve respect?
>>543357214In my area there was a case of a guy with 300 pigs in a stable, he got sick and couldnt feed them anymore and told nobody. last time he fed them was in december and they only found out in july because the rot stink was so unbearable. more than 100 pigs were missing in the stable, they got cannibalized. the rest was dead.that is a heart break because pigs are social animals, all the owner had to do was one phone call but he didnt.
>>543357711Bioavailability.
>>543357911>whataboutismThe existence of bigger problems does not render smaller or separate issues invalid or unworthy of discussion.
story time: the 2nd time i was fired from the hog farmwe euthanized piglets with blunt force trauma just like in the video (smashing their heads on the concrete, a pefect score was when you knocked both their eyes out of socket, lol). the company i worked for decided to change the euthanasia process to asphyxiation. they took a 55gal barrel and hooked a co2 tank to it and you would put all the sick piglets in it and gas them. it was a horrble idea because it took over 15 minutes for them to suffocate. anyway, one day i had a cart full of sick piglets to gas and i was goose stepping and throwing the roman salute while saying "ein volk ein reich ein fuhrur" and one of my bosses seen me and terminated me on the spot. they scrapped the gas chamber idea it was terribly inefficient and definitely caused more suffering
>>543357962It kinda does.If my house is on fire, I will give ZERO fucks about the ketchup stains on the drapes.This doesn't mean I don't think stained drapes are an issue. FRIVOLOUS CRAP!
>>543357976>ein pork, ein rib, ein piglet
>>543357214Damn that was hot, great propaganda to desensitize whites when we retake power
>>543357976>it was a horrble idea because it took over 15 minutes for them to suffocatesmells like bullshit to me, most people with pet reptiles kill feeder mice with co2 gas chambersyou retards either had third world tier equipment with no seal for the gas, or you're full of shit
>>543357214Animal abuse/killing/eating must be eradicated.
>>543357976good one
>>543357957Bioavailability affects quantity required, not impossibility. Just eat more non-heme iron. Pairings like Vitamin C dramatically increase non-heme iron absorption (by up to 300–600%), offsetting phytates.Leading nutritional authorities (including the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics and the British Dietetic Association) state that well-planned plant-based diets are nutritionally adequate for all stages of life, including athletes and pregnant women. If plant nutrient bioavailability made optimal health impossible, this consensus would not exist.While the DIAAS/PDCAAS scores for individual plant proteins can be lower than meat or eggs, consuming a varied plant-based diet throughout the day easily supplies all essential amino acids with total digestibility matching human needs.eme iron, while highly bioavailable, bypasses the body's natural iron absorption regulation, and excess bioavailable heme iron is consistently linked in epidemiological literature to increased risks of colorectal cancer, type 2 diabetes, and cardiovascular disease. Lower, regulated absorption from plant sources is often protective.Do I need to go on? I have debated every single anti-vegan argument with people smarter than you. You literally have no chance to win other than "I just don't care about the suffering of sentient beings".
>>543357265>I can be a meat eater and also believe in treating animals with respectSure. It's called cognitive dissonance and it makes you a moral coward. Read picrel.
Nah, we don't treat our animals like thirdies.Our piggies don't even know what hit them.It's just lights out
>>543357214>watch thisno watch THIShttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-mBa2V1Lw8
these threads are always the same>1 faggot makes stupid thread about /shock content/ picture of some whore with a dumb question/twitter screencap/chinese tiktok paid agitprop/etc>thread filled with 1pbtid memeflags agreeing with him
>>543357329>I am so glad I moved this red plastic piece of shit -ACK
>>543358193wow you're so observant anon, gosh golly gee willickers I wish I could be as aware as you
>>543358140And what about the life they led up to that moment? What about having your offspring taken away from you 3-4 days after they're born?
>>543358239good jobyou're not the target im trying to reach
>>543357347I don't want to watch 3 minute gore videos i stated my thoughts on the matter you can either accept them or be a fucking retard.>>543358134>ireland flag>brown>(you)
>>543357214>tell me that you didn't feel a thingI felt hungry. I will eat a nice juicy steak for lunch in your honor.
>>543358280is the target in the room with us right now anon?
>>543358268Ideally they'd be with their mothers on a small farm. I'd still eat them in the end
>>543357265> I can be a meat eater and also believe in treating animals with respect and a quick painless death.This, vegans are retards and /thread
>>543357214I do agree with you OP. I think everyone should try where they can in their lives to cut out products that require the killing of inhuman farming of animals. There is no real argument against it morally.
>>543358193>thread filled with 1pbtid memeflags agreeing with himi caused that. before they would just spam and samefag their stupid bot shit.
>>543357214>Jews and Muslims demand torturing of animals before eating them>This is YOUR fault, Christian/Atheist/Budhist/etc man!!!Shut the fuck up and give me more bacon.
>>543358303Your argument was that only third-world countries do this.https://www.ciwf.org.uk/our-campaigns/factory-farming-map/I guess the UK is after all a third-world country as well.
>>543358303>y-y-y-you're brownSeethe, fatty. Gorge yourself, indulge every appetite like a pig in shit, but you will always know that I am better than you.
>>543358400>I guess the UK is after all a third-world country as wellWell we all knew that lmao
>>543358268what life, these animals are bred to be consumed. they arent people stupid fuck, they dont have fucking crayons and draw cute animals for you, they dont need to be taught how to wipe their ass or how to get dressed for school, they are never going to school, they wont graduate college, they wont get jobs and then have kids of their own that grow up and get jobs toothey're fucking animals you dimwit faggot. we are responsible for creating more of them to feed humans. there is no life for these animals. they dont think or feel human things. stupid fuck
>>543357214Vegans are sick in the head. You need to watch sick shit in order to convince yourselves to stay on your miserable diet.
>>543358162Ok I'm kinda down with making meat illegal if you're gonna keep showing me a fat nigger shoving his face with cheap burgers
>>543357214they should do that to baby indians
>>543358357UK has some of the strictest farming laws in the world btw>>543358400Then report them under the Animal Welfare Act 2006.>>543358423>(You)
>>543357265Yeah, this. Hundred percent. We can and should do better, and anyone who disagrees is socially problematic.
>>543358468>these animals are bred to be consumedDid you ask for their consent?>we are responsible for creating more of them to feed humans.It takes 20 kg of onions to produce 1 kg of beef. Why not skip the middle-man? It would be extremely more efficient.
>>543358486why, problem solves itselfjust give these things free food and watch niggers evaporate from the face of the earth
>>543358132There is no debate bud, you are just afflicted by pathological altruism and arguing from your position of mental illness. For me, I don't consider suffering, either of myself or animals inherently bad, so it's not a problem. You won't convince me and I won't convince you because I don't share your insurmountable sensitivity to/juvenile fixation with preventing suffering. It is not true that you can access all the nutrients possible from simply eating vegetables even with supplements, and nobody on a vegan diet is healthy. What you have is a mental illness because it is a thought process that would result in quick death in any other time/species, only now medical tech can let you guys larp for extended periods between sneaking hamburgers. You can memorise as much propaganda from what is effectively a marketed lifestyle as you want, and you'll still be wrong. A consensus existing means literally nothing. Also your final line about not caring is just inb4'ing people who aren't mentally ill. I don't think suffering is enough to justify an unhealthy lifestyle, yes. Livestock should be treated humanely, live well, and then be killed quickly, and that is why I buy grass fed/finished organic meat, because not only is it better for the animal, but for the people eating them as well. Finally, I doubt you have ever even been in a room with someone as smart as me.
>>543357214Vegans are unhealthy scrawny emaciated weaklings with low iron and magnesium.
>>543358268if you let all those pigs out the will fight each other till death retard. sows are mean as fuck. the piglets are weaned at 14 days old, not 3 or 4. they drink their mothers milk for food retard. hog farming is fucked up enough without exaggerating
>>543358537animal protein is irreplaceable. humans need meat. period. also they dont give consent because they dont and never will know what consent is. you are projecting your own retarded ideas onto brainless animals.
>be thirdie inbreds>come onto basket weaving forum to complain about farming culture>doesn't go and report the farms themselves under basic animal rights laws>seethes at me for pointing out how brown they arefuck outta here
>>543357214Only a species traitor would deprive himself and his fellow humans from the nutritional benefits, comfort and luxury of eating meat. The suffering of animals is insignificant in the face of human advancement and greatness. And devolving to a herbivorous lifestyle is the opposite of advancement and greatness.
>>543358468It takes no effort at all to get you fuckers screaming the most unhinged bullshit in defence of your own mindless consumption. I'm not sure you're even really alive in any meaningful sense. You are psychologically weak and spiritually diseased, degrading yourself with intentional bullshit just to feel a sense of license to immediately cave to whatever appetite crosses your mind.
>>543358587ed sheeran looking rough, bet he still sucks Kraft's cock though
>>543357214Female pigs are put in those cage bars because if they're not, they will literally lay on and crush their babies, which probably accounts for a lot of the dead baby pigs in the video.
>>543358511>YouWhat?
>>543357214You are the same as the anti-abortiin activists.Using misinformation and shocking imagery conbined with personal attacks to claim you superiority.
>>543358598>mindless consumption>humans eating meat from day 1 is mindless consumptionstop mindlessly consuming oxygen
>>543358609theres only one ed that i know and he's always looked rough
>>543358556Dismissing major medical consensus as "propaganda": the statement by the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics is backed by peer-reviewed, population-wide longitudinal studies rather than commercial marketing. Rejecting global institutional consensus as "propaganda" while asserting that "nobody on a vegan diet is healthy" is a baseless generalization contradicted by health outcomes in large cohorts like the Adventist Health Studies.Labeling moral concern for sentient beings as "pathological altruism" or a "juvenile fixation" is an ad hominem attack rather than a logical counterargument. Expanding one's moral circle to mitigate unnecessary harm is a recognized paradigm in modern normative ethics, not a psychological disorder.The claim that a diet requiring modern supplementation/fortification is inherently invalid relies on the naturalistic fallacy (assuming what is "natural" or primitive is automatically superior/healthy). Modern medicine, water sanitation, B12 supplements, and synthetic clothing all allow humans to thrive far beyond primitive conditions. Judging optimal contemporary nutrition strictly by what would cause "quick death in another time/species" ignores modern biochemistry and logistics.Claiming to not care about animal suffering while simultaneously insisting that "livestock should be treated humanely, live well, and then be killed quickly" creates a direct logical contradiction. If animal well-being truly did not matter, there would be no reason to pay a premium for "grass-fed/organic" welfare standards.Stating "it is not true that you can access all nutrients" without citing a single specific nutrient or metabolic pathway fails to counter the previous physiological points regarding bioavailability, amino acid profiles, or iron regulation.
>>543357214Man now I'm hungry.
>>543358537>Why not skip the middle-man?because animal fats and protiens are far superior to plant fats and protiens. but you know that and thats why you want to prevent people from eating meat.>ṣoyyou are supposed to lurk 2 years before posting newfag
>>543357214I worked at a slaughter house for over a decade. I don't give a fuck.
>>543357849Even if you feel nothing at all, stress and pain lowers meat quality so it's in every meat eater's best interest to have happy cattle slaughtered humanely. None of this halal torture porn.
>>543358577Stating "humans need meat. period." is a logical fallacy that attempts to win an argument simply by repeating a claim as absolute truth while providing zero evidence or mechanisms to back it up. Proteins are made of amino acids, not "animal magic". The body does not absorb "animal protein" or "plant protein" whole; it breaks protein down into individual amino acids. All 9 essential amino acids are synthesized by plants and microbes, meaning plant sources provide the exact same biochemical building blocks needed for human muscle synthesis and tissue repair.Severe cognitive limitations or an inability to understand abstract concepts like "consent" do not negate an entity's capacity to feel pain or fear. Human infants and individuals with severe cognitive disabilities cannot conceptualize "consent" either, yet we still grant them basic moral consideration and protection from harm.Calling livestock animals "brainless" contradicts basic neurobiology. Vertebrates possess fully developed central nervous systems, pain receptors (nociceptors), and brain structures (like the limbic system) responsible for processing physical pain, fear, and emotional distress.
>>543358716>meaning plant sources provide the exact same biochemical building blocks needed for human muscle synthesis and tissue repair.Nope. Vegetarian protein is much worse than animal protein, and you know that, otherwise you wouldn't defend it.
>>543358657have some>>543358716you too shrunken brain "vegan" midwitthere's no fucking fallacy; humans need animal fat. there's no replacement for it. especially nothing natural. eat a burger and maybe you wont be such an seething fag>probably still will be
>>543357214The problem is not meat eating - its how culture and companies create it.Meat created by chemicals, anabolic, frightened and terror creates very bad meat and they fill it up with chemicals in order for it to be eatable. They pump the animals with hormones and genetically manipulate them in order for them to grow faster to gain more profit.Niggers, muslims - people that don't care about animals and think they are soulless and dumb - they treat the animals like shit.Being a vegan is a gay ass shit that is an psyop for you to become weak - the human body need meat and will feel the best when eating it, building the body and growing real muscles. Eat good meat from a good source, drink milk from cows and be strong.
>>543357608>Unnecessary sufferingJews and muslims demand the animals they eat be slaughtered like that. It's their cultcha, you see...
>>543358754You have no fucking idea what you're talking about, trust me, just fuck off
>>543358617The anti-abortionists and vegans are both entirely correct thoughbeit, and the fact that either of these are controversial in any way shows how profoundly spiritually diseased the world is.>>543358631Case in point, you jump immediately to an irrelevant cliché to give yourself license to do it. >B-b-b-but I'm ALLOWED to do it>I don't WANNA think about my actions!>I don't WANNA take accountability for anything I do!Exactly the same response you get from women when you don't pretend it's alright for them to murder their children.
>>543357214yes this is wrong but it doesn't have to be this way
Don't watch it
>>543357214Watched it.It was obvious to me as a preschooler this is where meat comes from. Still going to eat meat. Not my problem. Humans are the master species we can do whatever we want to lesser beings.
>>543358764Humans have essential fatty acid requirements, not an "animal fat" requirement. The only essential fatty acids the human body cannot synthesize on its own are Alpha-Linolenic Acid (ALA, an Omega-3) and Linoleic Acid (LA, an Omega-6). both of which originate exclusively in plants (seeds, nuts, algae, and plant oils).The liver naturally synthesizes 100% of the cholesterol the human body needs for cell membranes and hormone production. Dietary cholesterol (found only in animal fats) is not an essential nutrient.Resorting to insults and slurs instead of providing a metabolic pathway or scientific study demonstrates an absence of factual support.
>>543358814Your parents think you're braindead. Imagine telling the countless humans before you that eating meat is an illelevant cliche and you're too intelligent to eat meat.They'd crucify you and probably eat you.>thoughbeitfucktard don't ever use archaic bullshit jingoistic fag speak here again
>>543357265This, women have a right to kill their children as long as they don't hurt them in the process, that's why lindsay clancy and andrea yates should go free desu
>>543358716All of this are bullshit. Your body need meat. Your body will become weak as fuck if you only eat vegan bullshit "food" and you need to find special alternative to survive on it.Btw, the only way that you can live in a vegan diet is due to industry frankenfood and shit they can import due to global transportation. If we went back to the middle ages you could never have a vegan diet because the food you need couldn't exist>The body does not absorb "animal protein" or "plant protein" whole; it breaks protein down into individual amino acidsIt does. And it absorb animal, plant and insect protein in different ways. Some more effective then others.For example, The human body really enjoy animal protein, it can break it down easy and build - just as -some- plant protein. But insect protein, food made out of insects, the body can take it but doesn't build the body well from it.Vegan "food" the body pretty much cannot survive on. If you are on a vegan diet you pretty much starve yourself because the shit you eat the body struggle to build something on and misses out so much shit that actually builds the body.All food is not the same, some food is easier to build shit on then other. Meat is one of the best food the human body can eat and always done so.
>>543358544Yes, most pests just naturally die and disappear when you give them unlimited food and living space and shelter them from harm
>>543357272good man
>>543358857Claiming that being the "master species" justifies doing "whatever we want to lesser beings" relies on the fallacy that physical dominance or higher capability automatically bestows moral justification. Power grants the capacity to inflict harm, not the moral right to do so. If having greater intelligence, technological control, or power justifies exploiting "lesser beings," the same logic would validate hyper-intelligent aliens or a superior artificial intelligence exploiting or exterminating human beings simply because they possess greater capabilities.
Man, growing up watching shit like Cannibal Holocaust and August Underground in my formiative years sure must've done a number on my psyche because although my brain registers this as unusually cruel and wrong, I just don't have any visceral reaction. In fact I'm eating a bowl of cereal as I'm watching a pig getting halal'd lol.
>>543358827i made this guy into sausages
>>543358862>Alpha-Linolenic Acid (ALA, an Omega-3) and Linoleic Acid (LA, an Omega-6). both of which originate exclusively in plantsBut animals eat these plants and grass and pass it own thus being found in their meat and dairy products
>>543358654I dismiss it because I've read the actual studies and they are trivially flawed, but again, this isn't something you can really explain to someone who is below 140 IQ and doesn't want to hear it. Nobody on a vegan diet is unhealth is also trivial both from observation and any pre-WW2 information on the matter. Using the fallacy fallacy does not stop you from being pathologically altruistic and mentally ill. It's not an ad hom in any case, it is just what you are and the explanation for your behaviour. You are not expanding your moral circle, you have a misfiring neural network that is applying pragmatic sympathy for other humans to animals bred to be your food. It is a psychiatric disorder that we'll one day be able to see in a neural morphology. I didn't say it's inherently invalid, I said that it does not provide the nutrients, and I know this because I cared enough to read the studies you base your schtick on over a decade ago, and as above, they just straight up lie or the data is unreliable. Everything else you're repeating is a mantra given to you by the authors of said vested interest studies and marketers. You once again prove that you are low IQ by not understanding. I said to you suffering isn't inherently bad. I said to you that the suffering an animal experiences by dying isn't enough to justify an unhealthy diet. You can in fact cite nature when you're debating on biological necessity, and every ex-vegan has admitted they knew they were lying, just as you know now. I am not going to go and grab the studies to refresh my summary memories on the particulars because you are not worth it bro, but you do not get all the nutrients you need.
>>543358962Again: why not skip the middle-man and go directly to the source? For the pleasure of your taste buds?
So what about all the people who essentially are treated as slaves picking your berries and vegetables? Or the billions of critters who get displaced or killed to make space for your harvest crops? The aquatic and amphibious life that gets nuked from farming runoff? Could it be that truthfully you care less about the insects and birds and fish vermin species than piglets becuse they're not cute or aesthetically pleasing to the eye? And you don't care about human labor mistreatment because ultimately you're a sanctimonious misanthrope desperate to claim some shred of superiority over your fellow man?
>>543358864>b-b-but iss mah culchaSurely at some level you realise that you're just making excuses for yourself? Fasting and abstention were important and virtuous parts of Christian life for two thousand years. We stopped in the west because everybody (you) is an impulsive fucking child who immediately caves to the slightest temptation. You are the spiritual equivalent of a functioning alcoholic.
>>543359017Pretty much yesPlus meat is extremely nutrient rich
>>543359023>Christian lifeah you're a semite cultistexplains why you're so dumb. eat a pork chop w/ some tobasco sauce, be a man not a wimpy jew fellating faggot
>>543358937>the same logic would validate hyper-intelligent aliens or a superior artificial intelligence exploiting or exterminating human beings simply because they possess greater capabilities.Yes.
>>543358914The human small intestine hydrolyzes all dietary proteins into identical free amino acids and di/tripeptides via proteolytic enzymes (pepsin, trypsin, chymotrypsin) before absorption into the bloodstream. The body does not recognize whether a leucine molecule came from a cow, a pea, or an insect, muscle protein synthesis is driven entirely by amino acid concentration and availability, not the "origin" of the protein.Entire civilizations and populations have thrived on primarily or exclusively plant-based diets for centuries, such as traditional Buddhist communities across East Asia, the Shaolin, and the rural populations of the "Blue Zones" (e.g., Okinawa), all long before modern global supply chains or processed alternatives existed. Staple crops like lentils, chickpeas, beans, grains, nuts, and seeds are traditional, unprocessed whole foods, not modern "frankenfood". Arguing that we must eat like people in the Middle Ages is an appeal to antiquity. Modern agriculture, nutrition science, and food processing allow humans to live healthier, longer lives today than at any point in medieval history. Evaluating optimal modern health based on medieval constraints is logically flawed.The claim that a plant-based diet makes the body "weak as fuck" or causes "starvation" is refuted by elite world-class strength and endurance athletes (e.g., Olympic weightlifters, strongmen, world-record powerlifters, and ultramarathoners) who perform at peak levels exclusively on plant-based nutrition
>>543358920niggers literally kill each other en masse every weekend hereyou really dont know anything about the usa, just another eurocuck "lemme tell u bout ur culcha" type midwitcheck the mass shooting statistics for detroit or chicago every weekend, these creatures kill each other constantly
>>543359017i already answered that >>543358664
>>543359040>Plus meat is extremely nutrient richYeah somehow I doubt this is your problem, fatty.>>543359053You tell yourself whatever you need to to avoid thinking about what you're doing. It's clear that accountability makes you extremely uncomfortable.
>>543358989Textbook Ad Hominem and Gatekeeping. Gatekeeping the argument behind an arbitrary authority threshold ("below 140 IQ") and pathologizing the opponent ("misfiring neural network") is the definition of an ad hominem fallacy. Claiming an insult is "just an explanation of your behavior" does not change the fact that it attacks the speaker's person rather than addressing the argument.Claiming that major scientific studies are "trivially flawed" while explicitly refusing to cite a single methodology, study name, or flaw ("I am not going to go and grab the studies... because you are not worth it") is a classic burden of proof failure. Unfalsifiable claims backed only by personal authority ("I read them a decade ago") carry zero weight in scientific debate.The nutritional positioning of major health organizations (such as the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics, the British Dietetic Association, and Harvard Health) is built on thousands of modern, independent, peer-reviewed prospective cohort studies and randomized controlled trials, not outdated research or commercial marketing.Explicitly stating "suffering isn't inherently bad" and that animal suffering doesn't matter, while previously defending buying "grass-fed/organic meat" because it is "better for the animal," remains a fundamental self-contradiction. If suffering carries no negative moral weight, there is no logical reason to prefer "humane" slaughter over industrial abuse.
>>543357214hahaha>Mettbrötchen go brrrrrrbtw why do you vegan cucks never agitate against helal/kosher slaughter? you always use videos of brown people mistreating animals to advocate forcing White people to eat bugs and sööyreally makes you think
>>543359040>Pretty much yesAnd you see nothing wrong with that?
>>543358937>hyper-intelligent aliens or a superior artificial intelligence exploiting or exterminating human beings simply because they possess greater capabilitiesyou assume they dont, and you are very very wrong.
take your faggot ass back to twitter, nigger
>>543358950no you're just a mature adultmore mature than this retard for sure >>543358937der wille zur macht isn't just a cliche meme, human will to LIVE is the driving force of our species, once we lose that we are DONE.
>>543359202Animal rights movements oppose all forms of animal slaughter and exploitation, regardless of religious, cultural, or ethnic context. Religious slaughter practices (such as Halal and Kosher) without prior stunning have consistently been opposed by animal welfare and vegan organizations worldwide.Claiming that vegans target only specific demographic groups or harbor a hidden political agenda is a baseless conspiracy theory designed to divert attention from the central issue: the systematic slaughter of animals.Opposing animal suffering is based on a universal principle toward sentient beings, regardless of who holds the blade. Framing this as a matter of cultural or racial identity is merely a distraction from the fact that animal suffering remains identical regardless of the slaughter method or facility.
>>543359053Christianity basically commands people to eat meat though. Acts 10:>10 And he became very hungry and would have eaten; but while they were making ready he fell into a trance,>11 and saw heaven opened and a certain vessel descending unto him as though it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners and let down to the earth,>12 wherein were all kinds of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts and creeping things and fowls of the air.>13 And there came a voice to him, “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.”>14 But Peter said, “Not so, Lord, for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean.”>15 And the voice spoke unto him again the second time, “What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.”1 Timothy 4:>4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils,>2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their conscience seared with a hot iron,>3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.>4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused if it be received with thanksgiving;1 Moses 9:17>1 And God blessed Noah and his sons and said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth. 2 The fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth and upon every bird of the heavens, upon everything that creeps on the ground and all the fish of the sea. Into your hand they are delivered. 3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you.Basically if you're vegan you go against God's commandments.
>>543359136Your own semitic God TOLD YOU to eat the animals tard brain.
>>543359285>human will to LIVE is the driving force of our speciesBut in the modern World you don't need meat to live.
>>543359320You don't need alot of shit to live today, doesn't mean your body didn't evolve to do so. You are not above nature, self righteous prick.
>>543359308>b-b-b-but I'm ALLOWED!It's actually fucking cartoonish how dishonest you are. Flag checks out I suppose.
>>543359230Those were neopagans.
>>543359405Yeah, I'm allowed, it is (literally) my God-given right. Problem?
>>543359320you are a victim of brain shrinkage - a main effect of not eating meat. here, take the good goy award. i will eat 500 innocent baby animals this month to make sure the industry stays healthy and, most important of all, i stay healthy and strong unlike you
>>543359088>Arguing that we must eat like people in the Middle Ages is an appeal to antiquity. Modern bla blaVegan is an option of luxury. The day of war or anything that is some kind of social collapse where exotic shit is not in the store anymore your Vegan option goes away.>The claim that a plant-based diet makes the body "weak as fuck" or causes "starvation" is refuted by elite world-class strength and endurance athletes (e.g., Olympic weightlifters, strongmen, world-record powerlifters, and ultramarathoners) Never happened. And the once you believe doing it on Instagram or whatever all take anabolic and cheat. Just like the rest of all these weightlifters, strongmen and whatever - It's all fake and everyone takes something.If you actually go into it, the only way to become big is meat and animal proteins like Eggs, red meat. Someone who has a plant based diet or vegan diet lives pretty much on chemical protein powder and very special diet that cost thousands of dollars to get the same result - but always cheat in the end with anabolics.Sad but true. Not many natty lifters out there, especially now with Instagram and social media whorery.>Staple crops like lentils, chickpeas, beans, grains, nuts, and seeds are traditional, unprocessed whole foods, not modern "frankenfood".What do you think "alternative" meat for vegans are if not "frankenfood"? You cannot survive on only lenses, beans and grains. Your body need more then that to survive. Fun fact, when going on vegan food your body starve slowly - your brain begin to rot and you become a looney retard without you understanding it until you starve to death under 10-20 years. I understand someone that want to do good for animals, but vegan is not the way and just being a lefty faggot.
>>543359364Wrong you haven't read the details of that particular case. His fucking heart was removed from the pericardium sack UNDAMAGED, his brain showed trauma the result of being awake and ALIVE during his mutilation, blood vessels in his brain EXPLODED from the agony of having organs and shit removed from his still living body.Shit's realer than real. You should be scared, just like Tim Burchett said. If you knew what these fuckers were doing at night you'd never sleep again. Why the fuck do you think I'm awake at 3am.
>>543359391Gee (((Italian))) anon of courseChecks pbtid
>>543359358Using evolution as a benchmark, the capacity to expand our moral consideration and eliminate unnecessary suffering is the defining trait of human cognitive evolution. Just as we used modern medicine to evolve past dying from preventable infections, modern food science allows us to evolve past the necessity of killing sentient beings for nutrition.
>>543359316Incorrect, Christ abolished judaic dietary laws, other than regular fasting there are no dietary commandments in Christianity. But regardless, what's that to you? Why are you resting on the Bible as justification for your habits? It's because you're looking for an excuse. Every single thing you've said thus far is just variations on the theme of >sh-shut uuuup!It's extremely obvious that you're deceiving yourself, though you'll be the last one to realise it.
humans can get every fucking amino acid (for protein) they need from legumesif OP had a set of fucking balls, he would tell us WHERE the video was made
>>543359502read>>543359308 then cope and sneed
>>543359287>Animal rights movements oppose all forms of animal slaughter and exploitation, regardless of religious, cultural, or ethnic context. Religious slaughter practices (such as Halal and Kosher) without prior stunning have consistently been opposed by animal welfare and vegan organizations worldwide.Never seen a vegan group or animal activists fight against Halal or Kosher slaughter. And I have hanged for years around lefty punk vegan retards around in Europe the most leftist of the leftist/AFA mongoloids and when talking about Halal I am apparently "Islamofobic" or "Anti-semitic".
>>543359439It's not surprising that a German wouldn't understand the distinction between license and reason.
>>543357214I don't eat pork or support the industry by buying it
>>543359494>unnecessary sufferinganimals dont suffer. lets hear your argument that they do.
>>543359531its because they re one of the following: jewish, moor, or golem.
>>543359529I've respondes to that, but why are you citing it? As I said, you're not a Christian, what's it to you? It's because you've got nothing to say in your defense.
>>543357214Yeah it's brutal, but your low IQ mind doesn't understand that after it's dead, something has to eat it. And it won't be the bacterias or other animals, it will be me.
>>543359547because you're a muslim and have a warped sense of reality like christians and jews do
I’ll never forget when I was a kid there was a Georgian boy that moved in a few houses down from me. We became pals and he kept a pet pig in the basement. He would chase the pig around trying to get ahold of with no real ill intention. One day the pig bit him out of fear and when is father came home it made him so angry that his pet pig bit his boy he grabbed a large kitchen knife and stabbed it in the heart. Only he must have missed the heart because the pig didn’t die quickly and was spraying blood all over the basement. So he stabbed a few more times and it slowly faded out of consciousness.
>>543359582Jesus ate meat. Now what? Going to lecture your own God?
>>543359544>the distinction between license and reason.That's not the topic though. The topic is that you claim veganim is Christian, while the Bible literally not only says you should eat meat, but also that people telling you to not eat meat are heretics.
>>543359146You are just engaging in the fallacy fallacy without understanding it makes you a hypocrite. There is no debate. There are no points to be scored. There is only an external objective truth, and that is you have a maladaptive brain that is preventing you from accessing your primary source of nutrition which should result in you being dead. Modern medicine is letting you die of malnutrition in slow enough motion to make these posts instead. Nothing you can say alters this truth.
>>543359549All vertebrates (including mammals and birds) share the exact same neuroanatomical structures as humans to process pain: nociceptors, a central nervous system, a limbic system for emotional processing, and stress hormone production (such as cortisol).In 2012, an international group of prominent neuroscientists signed the Cambridge Declaration, officially affirming that non-human animals possess the neurological substrates that generate consciousness and the capacity to experience complex affective states, including suffering.Animals exhibit unmistakable physical and emotional signs of suffering: distress vocalizations, avoidance behaviors, elevated heart rate, anxiety, and even symptoms matching PTSD in prolonged isolation or abuse.Pain and the capacity to suffer are critical survival mechanisms favored by natural selection to compel organisms to flee danger and preserve physical integrity. Denying animal suffering contradicts basic evolutionary biology.
>>543357214Animal welfare, a western concept, is a prerequisite for the vast majority of western nations. The quality of a free range pig in a green field in Europe, vs. a caged pig in a 1st or especially a 3rd world factory-farm will be huge. Many consumers will look at the price first, not caring about animal conditions, so we need a strict regulations to keep greedy manufacturers in line with minimum requirements. But, a more premium healthier product will also exist, where consumers can choose to buy beef from farms where cows spend all or most of the year in green pastures, (but obviously not when pastures are buried in snow for months of the year...), eating mostly grass in various forms, and also 7-45% of mostly grain based feed, depending on their application. (breeding, milk production, meat production)
>>543357371>>543357351those things are still alive, why do they do that their faces? what a bunch of retards
>>543357265if you genuinely believed in that then you would be eating eat like a few times a month. the massive meat production we have going now cannot be done humanely. it needs to be reduced to a tiny fraction of it's size.
>>543358707It's nothing about halal. The pigs here are raised in bad condiitons.
>>543359565>its because they re one of the following: jewish, moor, or golem.No shit. They are lefty punks. One of the most brainwashed groups that exist - and all traitors to culture, nation and race.
>>543359637You’ve officially bored me. You haven't cited a single peer-reviewed study, medical consensus, or scientific authority to support a word you say, just a endless loop of pathetic ad hominem attacks and pseudo-intellectual hand-waving. Done replying to your low-effort cope.
>>543357214>Veganismis insanitythe hallmark of the insane is, they impose their insanity on humansNO !!!Keep your insanity. to yourself, enjoy your anaemia; your short life expectancy; your defective children (if you are even fertile).
>>543357679>>543357773You do understand that they're trying to keep the udders clean so that the feces doesn't contaminate the milk, right? Meanwhile Americans are being told by RFK that raw milk is better but don't understand what it takes to make milk, raw or pasteurized, suitable for human consumption.
>>543357214Nah, i'm not enough of a pretentious arrogant fool to put myself above the obvious natural order.Doesn't help that 99% of you look like pretty much undead cultists.>Oooh but look at muh cherrypickingPass.
>>543359708Bro, please, you haven't cited anything either, you have just vaguely referred to it. You haven't the faintest clue what you're talking about beyond your cue cards. I am putting in the exact same effort I perceive from you, well probably slightly more since you are straight up generating these replies with AI.
>>543359650So? You haven't proven they suffer just that they can feel pain. Suffering is a uniquely human feeling. Anything alive will feel pain but only human creatures suffer. Just like your mom suffered raising a retard.
>>543357214Watched itStill going to eat meatAlso the live throwtcuting animals is becose of jews and arabs
>>543359591Pig bites are fucking nasty, he's lucky he didn't lose they arm. Pigs are way more dangerous than they look.>>543359608It's actually fucking comical how clumsy you are in pretending you're not bothered by this. You are not a Christian, so why are you citing scripture as your reason for eating meat? Because you are intentionally kidding yourself. Go on, keep dancing for me. >>543359613>that you claim veganim is Christian,No, I never claimed that. I contrasted modern hedonism with Christian fasting culture in the past, which would sporadically require abstention from meat but was not entirely vegan. Veganism is entirely compatible with abstention but it isn't required, hence license vs reason. What is wholly unacceptable is compulsive indulgence to the point of the obvious psychological distress we see >>543359608 here. If that was a genuine misunderstanding then I'm sorry for being rude to you.
>>543359230I read those stories from Brazil and Peru... basically they peel off your face. For what reason? beats me
>>543359783Creating an artificial divide between "feeling pain" and "suffering" just to reserve the latter for humans is a semantic trick with no biological basis. When pain is prolonged, unavoidable, and triggers a negative affective state, it is defined neuroscientifically as suffering.The Cambridge Declaration explicitly highlights "affective states", which includes the capacity to experience psychological and emotional suffering, rather than just basic physical reflexes (nociception).Animals display chronic anxiety, depression, anhedonia, and self-harming behaviors under prolonged isolation or abuse, proving that animal distress extends far beyond simple physical pain into true psychological suffering.Ending the post with a juvenile personal insult only highlights the complete lack of scientific or philosophical ground to claim suffering is uniquely human.
>>543359808So did Jesus eat meat or not? Why won't you answer. You really wanna lecture GOD on how eating meat is amoral? Fuck outta here, literal heretical nonsense.
Exactly why should i give a fuck about animals? they re meat for me to eat and skin for me to wear. No amount of kikery or faggotry will ever change that fact. If anything, you should torment jeets, moors and kikes with your gay bullshit
>>543359813>they peel off your face>whylet's ask them
>>543359230this 100%
>>543359830>Animals display chronic anxiety, depression, anhedonia, and self-harming behaviors under prolonged isolation or abuse, proving that animal distress extends far beyond simple physical pain into true psychological suffering.So, once again, this being your supposed problem, we treat the animals humanely. Just want to remind you that you continue picking low hanging fruit while ignoring the reality of your condition and not citing anything. Just so you understand, a citation would be a link to a paper, a page number, a quote, and then arguing how that relates to you, instead of the appeals to authority you think are citations, while simultaneously crying about fallacies without realising I'm rubbing that in your midwit face.
>>543359830>no biological basisSo have you asked an animal if they feel suffering?>cant and wont because animals are base creatures without complex human understanding, void of feelings of loss or regretAh k thanks for consneeding. Go eat a burger now. Your shrunken brain is crying out for meat.
>>543357347what clip? I'm not going to your bullshit site
>>543357214>go veganyou could actually make progress by attacking kosher and halal which is indefensible.but >Go veganmakes your effort very easy to dismisswhich presumably is what you want. to appear moral and to be a victim of the whole world. instead of actually being productive and having an impact on the world.
It was practically revealed that a whole host of the world's elite fuck kids. Historically millions of children have been raped.Still, i don't care.I reserve my hatred for people in real life who wrong me. Instead of trying to project how much of a good person i am on the internet to strangers I'll never meet.
>>543359970he "feels for the animals" who would by the way consume him without question if hungry enough
>>543357214>you didn't feel a thingNice propaganda videoAren't the male chicks minced for dog food ? Dogs are animals, no ?It failed to mention that the purpose of animals is to feed humans(I accept, you are not human, you identify as an animal).Could you make a video of lions slaughtering and eating zebra while still alive. I saw a NatGeo video with a leopard eating a gazelle, entrails first. You need to improve the video quality. because tghe competition is stiff.
>>543357337do they eat plastic? I saw them being fed stale bread still in the package just all ground up. do pigs eat plastic.is it as bad as they say with not being able to turn around?some woman did a protest outside where she was in one of those cages
>>543360005It's just overactive empathy masquerading as philosophy. Hopefully he grows out of it, many don't.
>>543359858>So did Jesus eat meat or not?Probably although it's not documented anywhere as far as I know. Fish, certainly.>Why won't you answer?I did, several times. You're just lying now lmao>You really wanna lecture GOD on how eating meat is amoral?God is entirely in agreement with me that mindless, unaccountable indulgence is unacceptable, and Christ did not live in a time of excess like we do.>Fuck outta here, literal heretical nonsense.Why are you pretending to care about heresy lmao, I can't imagine that you're actually convinced by your own antics. Surely you're aware of the fact that you're lying?
imagine if we are all born human frist, then with each successive life go down the chain of evolutionperhaps OP's pig was a horrible person in a pst life and that is what hell is
Horrible
>>543359902yawn1. Neuroanatomical Capacity for Emotional Suffering vs. Physical Pain: Low, P., Panksepp, J., Reiss, D., Edelman, D., Van Swinderen, B., & Koch, C. (2012). The Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness. University of Cambridge.Direct Quote: "Subcortical neural networks aroused during affective states in humans are also critically important for generating emotional behaviors in animals... Convergent evidence indicates that non-human animals have the neuroanatomical, neurochemical, and neurophysiological substrates of conscious states along with the capacity to exhibit intentional behaviors."2. Depressive States and Anhedonia (Inability to Experience Pleasure): Willner, P. (1997). Validity, reliability and utility of the chronic mild stress model of depression. Psychopharmacology, 134(4), 319-329 (DOI: 10.1007/s002130050456).Direct Quote: "Rats subjected to a chronic, mild, unpredictable stress regimen exhibit behavioral deficits consistent with a loss of responsiveness to reward, such as decreased sucrose consumption... representing an original animal model of human depression."3. PTSD and Neurobiological Trauma in Non-Human Animals: Deslauriers, J., Toth, M., Der-Avakian, A., & Risbrough, V. B. (2018). Current status of animal models of posttraumatic stress disorder. Behavioral Pharmacology, 29(7), 579–593 (DOI: 10.1097/FBP.0000000000000431).Direct Quote: "Animal models of PTSD reproduce not only behavioral endophenotypes, including anxiety-like behaviors or fear-related avoidance, but also neurobiological alterations, such as glucocorticoid receptor hypersensitivity or amygdala hyperactivity."
>>543359421retard
>>543359902>So, once again, this being your supposed problem, we treat the animals humanely.This. And the more people that have animals at home the better the animals live before slaughter.Chickens ain't hard to give them a good life on your back yard. Not the same with pigs, cows or whatever as long as you got the field and time for them.We take here in the Nordic - the only places you see animal cruelty in farms is around mental illness and people that got too old to take care of themselves. And now we take the ultra process farm in the USA that mass-produce chickens with genetical manipulation in cages not allowed to walk.One is organic and good for animal and human - one is mass-industry based on profit. More people should have animals at home, chickens, cow, pigs. At least get some chickens, eat for nothing, you get a lot of eggs, chickens are fun creatures to be around and everything is just a plus.
>>543357214I didn't feel a thing jejejejejeejejejejejejejejejeEat plant and die delusional idiot
>>543360067>Probably although it's not documented anywhere as far as I know. Fish, certainly.Jesus was eating meat for Passover, because at pass over they eat lamb. Luke 22:8–15
>>543359668>>543357576it's "halal" they don't stun it or kill it, they need to drain its blood while it's alive because they're RETARDED and slaves to a retarded book with no regard for the reason of it's rules. this tortures the animal considerably. but they seem it necessary so it continues. it's horrific.>not vegan but very anti halal.and then this lazy asshole is skipping ahead to the next step in the process before it's even finished draining. so it's doubly not dead. but look at his face. he's an inbred 70iq retard that just performs the steps as painstakingly practiced and eventually learned. he does what he's always done like a retarded inbred robot
>>543357623inbred retard has a contraption to fulfill his stupid inbred retard laws.
>>543360021Bringing up lions or leopards eating gazelles is a textbook appeal to nature fallacy. Obligate carnivores in the wild lack moral agency and fight for raw survival. Humans have moral agency, industrial supply chains, and alternatives that make unnecessary slaughter a choice, not a biological necessity.Claiming the "purpose" of animals is to feed humans is an arbitrary, unscientific assumption. Evolution produces biological diversity, not custom commodities designed for human exploitation.Male chicks in the egg industry are macerated alive within hours of hatching because they are an unviable financial byproduct (they don't lay eggs and don't grow fast enough for meat Production), not out of dietary necessity for domestic dogs.
>>543360105Yes, and try very hard to understand what I'm saying here, the fact that animals can feel sad doesn't actually support your lifestyle of not eating them.
>>543360241I have a question (a few actually); have you ever eaten meat in your life? did you enjoy it? did it make you feel sad? did it taste good?
>>543360241Your firmware needs an update, because morality has been demonstrated in animals, so you can't "hand wave" that away with "obligate carnivore" and unique human moral agency any more. You obviously will twist yourself into a pretzel to avoid that reality though, because of where it obviously leads your case.
>>543360183Yeah that's right
>>543359725timely! https://youtu.be/-YQ11JzPMioI don't think you're smart enough for that but maybe someone is interested
>>543357214i dont eat pig. but when will vegans admit pharma isnt vegan either
>>543360193oh, that's the halal thing? as you mentioned, it doesn't look very halal
>>543360036>do they eat plasticidk maybe>feedthe biggest concern with those farms is bio security. we had to shower in and wear the clothing they provided everyday. bringing things from then outside is not allowed and the amount of feed they use fucking with bread would be a waste of time. their grain formula is very specific, one for gestation and one for farrowing.>cratesi raise pigs in my backyard and use a crate. a crate prevent her from layingbon them and confines her near her piglets where they need to be. they have been used for over 100 years. the sows in gestation are also kept in crates and thats part ofnthe econmics of hog farming. less movement = less food and water. no fighting or any bullshit. they are totally institutionalized and know nothing different
>>543360241doing God's work, Anoncan you tell us WHERE your video was taken?
>>543360313I will admit it right now and pharma is generally much worse as it harms people too
>>543359725that's why you have to get it all over your hands before milking? in a shithole without running water. you need to grab it with both hands and deposit it 2 feet away right before milking.because of cleanliness. you should go back home and stay there please. please please please
>>543360291>have you ever eaten meat in your life?Yes.>did you enjoy it?Yes.>did it make you feel sad?Not at the time.>did it taste good?Yes.And? Confusing "it tastes good" with "it is ethically justifiable" is an hedonistic fallacy. Most vegans grew up eating meat and liking the taste. Veganism isn't about claiming meat tastes bad, it's about realizing that sensory pleasure doesn't outweigh the unnecessary suffering and death of a sentient being.
>>543360241Also, about the male chicks, there is technology that allows them to be identified in ovum and it's actually done in Germany, it should just be adopted and enforced elsewhere as well.
>>543360377You're still confusing your own pathological response with ethics. Your brain is wrong, and that is the basis of your entire reality.
>>543360378they make chicken by product with the male chicks, thats what they make chicken nuggets out of
>>543357214Nature is just as cruel to animals. Rules of nature baby. Might as well be maximally efficient about it.
>>543357214Who cares
>>543360241>Claiming the "purpose" of animals is to feed humans is an arbitrary, unscientific assumption. Not really, life is there to feed other life. While humans have somewhat removed ourselves from that circle we aren't completely independent of it. That is actual science unlike whatever mush mouthed tripe you peddle
>>543360433Not in first world countries my melanated friend.
>>543360411thats a chatbot, it doesn't have a brain
>>543357265I, too, only eat game occasionally, and buy it directly from hunters I know to ensure it's truly humane and professionally processed into edible form. Just prepared some incredible stew from a moose felled in Northern Finland. I love nature and animals, and it's nice to know I'm not the only one who'd never support the meat industry. Fucking horrible what they do. Do you fish yourself? I buy fish from local fishermen, but occasionally fish myself when I have the time. Planning a fishing trip for next weekend with my friend, last time I caught the largest pike perch I've ever landed at 6,3 kg. Tasted like heaven.Anyway, fuck the meat industry and the exploitative fishing industries, eat game, eat local, hunt and fish for yourself, fuck everything else, and if you think you care about animals but buy your meat from the misery grinder that is the meat industry, fuck you too.
You can watch animals doing the same thing to other animals every day to feed, or for entertainment evenThat is the law of natureYou think you are better than the others, but you're just a cuckI am not raising vegetarian childrenI feel for the animals but not enough to cuck myself and my family out of living our best life as nature intended
>>543357214i didn't feel a thing. i've seen too many videos of wild animals eating each other alive, completely indifferent to the suffering of one another
>>543360464Nah it's some uni student or arrested development in uni using AI to generate replies. Even the study citations. This barista is sitting here copy pasting back and forth and thinks he's a genius for it.
>>543360446"Actual science" is not teleological. Nothing is "for" anything.
>>543360241What you focus too much about is the mass-industrialising of meat. It's an evil - just like everything that is about mass-industrialising with dystopian capitalist factories that doesn't give a shit about soul and just about hardcore profit.This is the same food industry that is filling your food with poison. Because that is what you are actually about - against the big corporation that benefit on mass production and don't give a shit about morals. But you ignore the person that does everything with morals and follow nature. Humans have gone together with animals for thousands of years, animals came to us for help, we helped them - we benefited together. Here you just need to look up how normal life was for humans though the ages, the stone age, bronze age - medieval times.All of this shit you talk about is only from an extreme view of it. You should really go to a local farm with animals and see how the animals live (and not a factory). That will blow your mind how good the animals has it.
>>543360339A large portion of the footage (including material used in the documentary Dominion) comes directly from Australian factory farms and industrial slaughterhouses.Clips taken from undercover investigations and the documentary Land of Hope and Glory, which document standard, legal farming practices across the UK.Historical and archival footage produced by organizations like Mercy For Animals and Animal Equality, as well as excerpts from Earthlings, in the USA.Investigative footage focusing on the dairy industry and cattle transport, such as footage featured in documentaries like Maa Ka Doodh, IndiaInvestigative clips gathered by global groups like Animal Equality inside industrial facilities across Spain, Italy, Germany, and Brazil.
>>543359287thanks (((grok))), now fuck off back to Xeet.com
>>543360534You are still ignoring how your axioms about animals feeling sad do not actually logically conclude in us not eating them. You just present them and then step over everything else to reach your conclusion, because once again, and I will keep saying it until it's repeated in your dreams, you are constructing arguments back from your position of mental illness.
>>543360446>>543360485Describing how wild animals eat each other (descriptive) does not make it ethically necessary or justified for humans to do so (prescriptive). Humans do not derive moral, legal, or medical standards from wildlife behavior, where infanticide, cannibalism, and violent territorialism are also routine natural occurrences.
>>543360534To clear out land to make the fields for your onions food they burn down and deforest parts of the forest and millions of animals have to relocate or dies.
>>543357347This guy >>543357265 didn't have to watch the entire video to have this opinion.You don't want to have a conversation.You do to thought what the people you criticize do to animals.Much like them, you take other people's opinion, disregard their worth, hang it and kill it without a second thought.You could never win anyone over with such an annoying, emotional attitude.Not one single person came here and changed their mind.Everyone is going to leave here thinking, "That self-righteous loser was starting worthless arguments on the internet using dead animals."
>>543360377So rather than accept what your own body and senses tell you about meat, you reject it entirely based upon absolutely unproven fallacies regarding animal suffering.You simply existing causes an animal pain, somewhere in some fashion. An animal died for YOU, even if you are unaware of it. You are complicit in an animal suffering somewhere, somehow. Just because you are unaware of the specifics does not excuse your involvement. Gonna just stop being human now because of it? Gonna beg for forgiveness...to who again? Jesus ate meat so he ain't listening. The animals don't care because they are dumb base creatures.Who exactly are you being a vegan for and what do you hope to accomplish when the vast majority of humans will NEVER EVER be vegan. You're swimming upstream for no reason. Sounds very vain, selfish and childish.
>>543357347>You reply was less than 3 minutes after my post.>You didn't watch the clip. Your opinion is irrelevant.Why should anyone have to watch your stupid clip ... everyone knows it is animal worship propaganda ... you freaks are flooding the internet with it, we know what it is without having to see it.Now run along and scream your anaemic rage in the privacy of your toilet or whatever and leave humans who eat animal flesh alone.
>>543360620>your onions food Onions food. Lol wtf onion where did that come from.
>>543360645 wtf so y becomes onion
Caring about animals and aligning that principle with action is based and certified Very Aryan. Non-vegans depend on the ongoing maintenance of a fragile consensus amongst themselves to assuage their latent discomfort stemming from knowing that the way they treat animals is wrong and unnecessary, and thus vegans have to be castigated and ostracized for contravening the orthodoxy, both as a punishment and a deterent to others who might be so swayed. If you'd dare give it an honest try, you'll likely find that going vegan is a relief from a burden you may not have even known you've been carrying. Thanks for posting, OP.
>>543360630>So rather than accept what your own body and senses tell you about meat, you reject it entirely based upon absolutely unproven fallacies regarding animal suffering.>just immediately give in to your every whim and appetite broThis attitude is why the west is full of obese porn addicts btw.
>>543360620The vast majority of global deforestation (including in the Amazon rainforest) is carried out to clear land for cattle grazing or to grow feed crops (like onions and corn) for livestock, not for growing crops for direct human consumption. Feeding plants to farm animals to consume their meat requires up to 10–15 kg of plant calories to produce just 1 kg of meat. Shifting toward a plant-based diet reduces total global agricultural land use by up to 75% according to Oxford University research, dramatically lowering the need to clear any forest.Over 70–80% of the world's onions crop is fed directly to farmed animals, not humans. If people consumed plants directly, global cropland requirements would plummet, allowing massive land sparing and rewilding rather than deforestation.
>>543357347>Memeflaggot veganigger>Talking about opinion irrelevancyYeah, that's a sage from me, total lack of self awareness
Animals that kill and torture get a pass because that is their nature. Our nature is to have morals they say, maybe our nature is also having multiple morals about life
>>543360693>>just immediately give in to your every whim and appetite brovirtually nothing to do with my post but go on with your emotional female ramble against human nature
>>543360697Yes, you are right. That's how it used to be like, shit has changed.
>>543357265>>543358357>I believe in this>even though my actions do the oppositeretard hypocrites
>>543360485>You can watch animals doing the same thing to other animals every day to feed, or for entertainment evenUnlike animals, we have the ability to work against our instincts. In nature, a mother may eat their newborns. Should that be allowed for humans? Since, you know, might be instinctual and all that. And I assume you're perfectly fine with the other stuff animals do, like fucking juveniles, members of the same sex and so on?
>>543360630Claiming animal suffering is an "unproven fallacy" directly contradicts neuroscientific consensus (e.g., the Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness), which proves non-human animals possess the neural substrates for complex suffering.Just because human existence causes some unavoidable harm does not logically justify causing massive, intentional, and avoidable harm through animal agriculture.Giving up personal sensory pleasure to minimize harm to others is the definition of altruism, not "vanity" or "selfishness". Major ethical shifts always start with a minority challenging the majority.
>>543360697When the last non-White is dead, we can talk about reducing livestock numbers for Whites.
>>543360723It is an exact restatement of what you just said. Disciplining your appetites and ignoring bodily impulses are the same thing.
>>543360715why should i care about animals that don't have the capacity to care about me?i don't care about the psychopath who doesn't have the capacity for empathy eithercaring about either would be like caring about a rock
>>543360377Even animals eat other animals. Veganism is retarded.
do you guys think the memeflaggot is just an LLM bot or actually a butthurt vegan cuck who just frantically copypastes the replies ITT into AI and posts the output here?it would be hella funny if it was the latter KEK
>>543360183Everytime I see this fucking video I feel cringe bc the woman in black blouse looks like my disgusting sister>>543360241I agree with you animal cruelty needs to stop is horrible but I won't stop eating meat I will be an hypocrite I will support veganism as far as I can but I will not practice my self.
>>543360774>Disciplining your appetites and ignoring bodily impulses are the same thingvirtually nothing to do with rejecting meat on a "moral" basis>>543360760it's a fallacy because you can't get an animal to tell you it's suffering. you just assume it comprehends your definition of suffering when the fucking thing has no human comprehension to compare it to. you are literally projecting your feelings about suffering onto brainless soulless creatures.
>>543360665its been that way for over a decade newfag. you need to go back to plebbit
>>543360534ty very much OPAustralia, you say?no surprise after seeing how easily they folded during the pandemic
>>543360697oh no, not the rainforest, muh lungs and shiet
>>543360852Perhaps, haven't noticed. Don't really care either.
>>543360786Just because an action occurs in the wild does not mean it is morally permissible for humans. Animals also commit infanticide, forced copulation, and territorial murder, none of which are valid benchmarks for human ethics.Animals act out of instinct and lack the capacity for moral reasoning. Humans are moral agents capable of evaluating the ethical consequences of their choices and selecting options that minimize harm.Wild predators (like lions) are obligate carnivores that must hunt to survive in nature. Humans in modern society are not obligate carnivores; we can easily thrive on a plant-based diet without needing to kill.
>>543360630>>543360291> So rather than accept what your own body and senses tell you aboutnever tried drugs but something tells me that drug users could give the same answer for the question where "meat" is substituted with "heroine"are you and other "anti vegans" circumcised by chance
>>543360903I think these people are just looking for a cause to fight for, however nonsensical and antithetical it is to every other human on the planet.
>>543360630Nietzsche was a faggot and was wrong in this one, nature don't punish a shit and wolves were exterminated from most of the world while sheeps are in the dozen of millions.Adaptation > strength.
>>543360846Rejecting physical appetites on the basis of moral or ethical considerations has nothing to do with disciplineling your appetites? Laughable.
>>543360945Sheeps feed humans, wolves dont. We are the dominant animal in that relationship so tell me how he wasn't exactly correct again. Wolves lost the competition with us, and we eat the sheep.>>543360938why are you thinking about my cock faggot, stop it
>>543360833AI generated meat always looks revolting lol, this put my off my lunch worse than the pig gore.
We should all support veganism specially among the nignogs and brow hordes.We get to fix 2 issues at the same time, reduce animal suffering AND weaken the orcs.
>>543360980Rejecting MEAT not just any food, and you could have listed actual problem foods like high sugar slop but you want to rant on about MEAT.Because you're a feels addict and care so much about muh little cute furry friends who taste fucking delicious grilled.
>>543360934>Humans in modern society are not obligate carnivores; we can easily thrive on a plant-based diet without needing to kill.Go to the north of the world and say this. Hunting and animals is one of the old ways to survive when its snow and low temperature most of the year.
>>543360994the question was about you, not your cock, faggot
>>543361080why are you still talking about my cock chomo, gross YAMETE
>>543361035Sugar slop is not a problems I hate to admit this but jews are right there are too many goyim we should de populate India and Apefrica and 1 vector to fix this is promoting veganism among these animals.
>>543361035>and you could have listed actual problem foods like high sugar slop but you want to rant on about MEAT.>why are you talking about VEGANISM in the VEGANISM THREADJesus Christ lmao
>>543361066Arctic indigenous populations who hunt for survival in extreme conditions is a red herring. The ethical argument applies to people living in modern societies with access to supermarkets, not those in extreme survival contexts.Ethics is based on choices available to you. An Inuit hunting for survival has no alternative; a person buying groceries in a developed country does. Survival necessity in the Arctic doesn't justify buying factory-farmed meat in Oslo.Claiming hunting is "one of the old ways" is an argumentum ad antiquitatem. Age and historical necessity do not make a practice morally mandatory or optimal today when alternatives exist.
>>543361106learn to read
>>543357214As an uncircumcised male, I am a real man. I poach deer in the woods. That thought alone would scare an emasculated american "man" with his dried up tranny cock.But you can just go into the woods and kill stuff you know, no one is going to stop you. People walk their dogs no later than around 9pm, so if you're field dressing a deer after that no pesky dogs gets too interested. In the rare case someone does see you they assume you're supposed to do that, they never think it's illegal poaching - obviously since im white im not a criminal. Non blue eyed people might have different results, but in that case I assume you're already well versed in criminality and can handle the different scenario.Deer are incredibly easy to kill. Woods near urban areas, people will feed them with their kids etc, they'll walk right up to you if you have apples. Now, don't use a knife, the blade creates a vacuum around the lung or heart tissue, meaning the buggers can run for too long without collapsing. Don't ask me how I know.I hear, using a hollow metal rod, lathed to a sharp point, makes sure the deers lung collapsed and it will only stagger at most 100 meters before you can use a rope to cling it up to drain it before the heart stops. Bow and arrow works too, if you don't want to get messy. Just drop apples on the ground every evening for a week, they'll expect you, drop the apples pick one off. You dont have to be a good shot, lol.Vegans disgust me, it is in human nature to kill. Hunting spinach is not honorable.
>>543361143Are you part of an ONG? Are you a LLM? I don't believe you are just an Anon I want to do my part in supporting veganism
>>543361161sex pest
>>543357214>https://3minutes.wtf/igactHot.I fapped to it.
>>543361115Ah so you don't really care about healthy food or anything, just some moral platitudes about animal feelings, LOL ok bud I see your problem here
Meatcucks sure are defensive. Enjoy your pus, hormones and faeces.
>>543361240Your parents ate meat, so you are what they ate. :)
>>543361193>Are you part of an ONG?No.>Are you a LLM?No.I admit that I've used DeepL for most of my replies, but that's because English isn't my native language I also copied and pasted several of my responses from other discussions I've had, because the same old, tired arguments that carnists bring up are always the same.
>>543361166Cringe, meat is superior this is a FACT period but have you seen India? They are behind everything we should promote veganism to weaken the enemy like LGTB and feminism we should help the demons (kikes) in this one.
>Plant-based food doesn't have enough proteinSeitan, Tempeh, Tofu, Lentils, Edamame, Peas, Chickpeas and seeds like Hemp all have protein values high enough to be protein sources comparable to meat. For example, Seitan has 63 grams of protein for 100 grams of mass. Chicken breast has 31 grams of protein.>Eating meat is naturalEating your newborn child, fucking your siblings, rape, stealing and killing are all natural things that animals do. >I like the tasteYou like the way it's seasoned, unprocessed meat tastes like shit. You can process and season plants so that they taste just as good. >It's a part of my cultural identityStoning gays, beating women and marrying 12yos is a part of someone's culture. Should that be accepted? Hell, they were likely once a part of YOUR culture. >Plants like onions contain estrogenIt's phytoestrogen. The thing about estrogens is that they're not all the same, and the "estrogen" part just refers to the overall shape of the chemical compound. Plant-based estrogen (phytoestrogen) cannot bind wth mammalian estrogen receptors. The entire assumption that they do is based on one single "nutritionist's" claims (she's not a real nutritionist), and she based that claim on one study conducted with sheep on the 50s. Multiple better studies have debunked it decades before that nutritionist made it into a meme in body building circles.
>>543361304So you're Indian then LMAOyou are what you eat benchod bharat bich bloody
>>543361234I haven't said a single word about health this whole time, my only, ONLY concern in this conversation is how psychologically weak and spiritially corpulent you are, and how frenzied you are in your rationalisations. Medical science is mostly yiddish quackery in any case.
>>543361365callate negro de mierda, como cojones este mono ha conseguido acceso a internet
>>543361423>single word about health this whole timeah who is lying now. SAD
>>543361437Oh? Show me.
>>543361143>Arctic indigenous populations who hunt for survival in extreme conditions is a red herring. The ethical argument applies to people living in modern societies with access to supermarkets, not those in extreme survival contexts.We are not talking about "extreme survival contexts". We talk about the normal people of who lives in the north of for example the Nordic region, for example here in Sweden to live in villages with 200 people and its 150 km from the nearest city.This is people in Sweden, Finland, Iceland, Norway, USA/Canada (Alaska and Northern Canada), Large part of Russia, but we can take any country that is not inside the city where people live on the land and not just what exist in the store - because all shit cannot exist in the store.I grew up around people like that. They survive on hunting and fishing because they got plenty of it all year around, but its -30 in the winter and + 15 on the summer. It's not just the oldest way to survive here, its one of the only ways to survive. Farming - working the lands is not sometimes an option up in the north. It exist - but it's not as effective as in warmer lands.>Survival necessity in the Arctic doesn't justify buying factory-farmed meat in Oslo.In Oslo you don't have that "factory-farmed meat". Because that shit is not allowed there or in the Nordic regions. Everything is from local farms and shit like that because something we Nordics still got is local farms for animals and we don't have like in the USA big superfarms with cages and shit. >>543361304Pathetic. That way you will never learn English, or how to debate. You let a AI do the job for you, even think for you. But you are vegan so it kind of say itself.
>>543361398What's this notion that Indians are vegans? They might not eat cows (but some definitely do), but they will eat pork, poultry, sheep and goat and buffalo no problem.
>>543361282they didn't eat the same mass produced goy feed you eat now. that's why you have no testosterone and look like a bitch
>>543361520>>543361505>>543361471>fecaloid squad seething over MEATkek, cry harder s01let brown subhumans
>>543361370>Stoning gays, beating women and marrying 12yos is a part of someone's culture. Should that be accepted?yes
>>543361591imagine being against that stuff. what a fucking inbred finnish faggot, fucking hell
>>543357214post aside what does this jew gain from posting this here?
>>543361505>but they will eat pork, poultry, sheep and goat and buffalo no problem.And cow shit
>>543361573Show me, fat boy.
>>543357214I am sorry. I am so sorry pigs. I like pork… you are so tasty.
>>543361573>40pbtidholy reddit chatbot
>>543361505They do eat meat but in far less proportions I eat over a pound daily yes you heard that right I was "diabetic" all my life since childhood and meat won't trigger the horrible symptoms so in my teens I started eating meat and now I eat 75% of meat I'm kind of muscular with wide frame naturally I suspect i didn't have any stupid shit like diabetes Im just a neanderthal or some shit and I wasnt born to eat carbs like most people I have neanderthal phenotype like that ugly Jewish actor.Meat is superior it makes you feel better you have a much better apereanxs and you grow taller and stronger but I hate animal cruelty and I hate Niggers so I want to joint the ranks of veganism
>>543361618Let him work and spread veganism
>>543361591>>543361618You're intentionally missing the point. The point is that someone's culture somewhere includes stuff you don't like. Should that be allowed because it's their culture? Like just switch those things to, I don't fucking know, letting children transition or letting gays marry or shit like that. Should it be allowed just because "it's someone's culture"?
>>543358348>>543358468>>543358475Kek>>543358132>animals are ... sentient beingsBuhaaaahahahaCertainly, some are more sentient than you>>543358716>Stating "humans need meat. period." is a logical fallacyYou are demonstrating that you are clueeless about logic, and what a logical fallacy is ... while claiming:>repeating a claim as absolute truth while providing zero evidenceHystericalHypocrite.>Sonny Bill Williamsfamously went Veganfamously gave it up as a hysterical jokehttps://www.dailymail.com/news/article-8327271/Rugby-stars-Sonny-Bill-Williams-Quade-Cooper-reveal-radical-new-diet.html
>>543361800if the culture is called human nature like the first examples u gave, then yes
>>543361365That take is low IQ, looks at flag, ok nigger. You took the jews bait, hook line and sinker. Meat contains everything the body needs, you can live off it alone. Bones, liver, kidneys, meat, prepared properly has everything. Literally.The jews wants to emasculate people, by promoting low protein, high phytoestrogen diets. Onions, tofu, non-dairy "milk". It's literally poison I will never put it in my diet.
>>543357265all of that was made by the white devil you fucking retard>he thinks poor countries afford meat let alone the machineryi hope jews destroy all of europe
>>543361952The problem with that is that over the course of several millenia, no one has been able to define what "human nature" is. If it's human nature to stone gays, then it follows that gays must exist, and being gay is human nature. Like you really don't want to make this about philosophy, because we'll be discussing this for the next 5000 years without a clear answer. And therein lies the point: "It's human nature" isn't a good argument when you're trying to make concrete decisions.
>>543362158id say thats just mental gymnastics. strong and rational humans stone the weird, the ugly and the disgusting, its as simple as that. whether it be gays, niggers or thieves. whether it needs to exist or not is irrelevant - we re animals, if we see something dangerous/disgusting we kill it
>>543361496That's fine, I don't need English in my daily life. What little English I know (telc C2) is enough to shit-post on /v/.
why are vegans so retarded, that's the real question>no one cares
>>543362219Have you ever stoned anyone? Or are you just some fat shut-in larping about how eating a cachopo makes you a tough guy
>>543357371>>543357351You do this to human infant penis, jew
>>543362219>if we see something dangerous/disgusting we kill itYeah bro watch out that chained-up cow looks deadly! What you mean you're gonna eat it? I thought you said it was disgusting??
>>543362297>no one cares>41 posts by this ID
>>543362277It's not just the English language itself. It's the whole process - reading, thinking, formulating and replying, creating arguments and shit actually engage. And you will need the skill of English in your life, for the future. All skills are good shit and should always be practiced on.
>>543362338this is the most "care" you've gotten all yearsay thank you to me for pouring some common sense into that empty brain even if for an hour, more than you apparently have received all your life.even if you reject my wisdom, it will stay with you and haunt your mind and eventually the rational deeply suppressed part of your brain will agree with me, like it or not.such is my will, which you now accept.
If eating meat is moral, would you have to courage to kill the animal yourself?Will you bring your children (lol) to a farm to see what the beef that's on their plate used to be?
>>543362219>id say thats just mental gymnasticsBut it really isn't. It's just direct logic. >strong and rational humans stone the weird, the ugly and the disgusting, its as simple as that.You know what was the turn between us living in caves, foraging for our food, and then establishing actual, controlled societies? Taking care of the weak. Unironically. If we go through the fossil record, that shift towards actual civilisation only happened immediately after we started finding remains of people who lived in communities and got taken care of despite their age, weakness or disability. From that time period we've found things such as a man who died old, despite having been blind since youth, of people without limbs, and even people born with defects. When we started taking care of those who were unable to wander around, we built our homes around them. That is factually what happened. Unironically empathy led to civilization. >we re animals, if we see something dangerous/disgusting we kill itAgain, animals also rape and eat children. Animals have gay sex. Animals sometimes kill themselves for no reason because they follow their instincts. We are animals, but we constantly choose to disobey instincts, and that is what makes us human.
>>543362424>We are animals, but we constantly choose to disobey instincts, and that is what makes us human.you sound like a jew, irrationally contrarianthis doesnt make you philosophical, it says you are mentally unstable
>>543357214the jews did this
>>543362410Oh btw>>543361634I'M WAITING, FATTY
>>543358134>SingerEST
>>543362334food>>543362305foid/tranny/jeet/kike>>543362424uh we settled because we learnt to grow our own animals, no need to be nomadic anymore when u got meat at home, friend. and not being retarded is what differentiates us from animals
>>543360241I know all that, you imbecile, but without your perverted perspective.>Evolution produces biological diversity, not custom commodities designed for human exploitationOk, so we create; farm; kill; and eat the "custom commodities" that your religion of Evolutionism did not create.Everything you say is twisted "logic" of the insane.>Male chicks in the egg industry are macerated alive within hours of hatching because they are an unviable financial byproduct (they don't lay eggs and don't grow fast enough for meat Production), not out of dietary necessity for domestic dogs.I did not say male chicks were macerated for the PURPOSE of "dietary necessity for domestic dogs". I said the male chicks that we farmed and cannot use for the purpose we farmed them for, are not wasted, we make doggie food out of them.>>543360497>"Actual science" is not teleologicalImbecile, and ignorant, mixing things up.1) the point is, everything has a purpose for its existence (Law of Cause & Effect)2) Science, the purpose of science (teleology) is to determine the truth.>>543360606>Humans do not derive moral, legal, or medical standards from wildlife behavior, where infanticide, cannibalism, and violent territorialism are also routine natural occurrences.Anon did not say it does, you cretin> the purpose of animals is to feed humans> the purpose of animals is to feed humans> the purpose of animals is to feed humans
>>543362453>you sound like a jew, irrationally contrarianI mean disagreeing with something isn't contrarian. Contrarian is someone who disagrees with everything on principle. >this doesnt make you philosophical, it says you are mentally unstableI'm not trying to be philosophical. This entire thread I've tried to argue that being philosophical isn't a good basis for this discussion, because there are no clear answers there.
>>543362508>uh we settled because we learnt to grow our own animals, no need to be nomadic anymore when u got meat at home, friend.I mean, we settled only after we learned to grow crops. Domesticating animals for food only came after that. Also, doesn't change that we started taking care of our old, sick and disabled first, just before the shift happened.
>>543362521>no clear answers>humanity spends countless eons evolving>just reject all that time because muh feelingsyour ancestors shout down at you from the firmament "eat a hamburger!"
>>543362411>Will you bring your children (lol) to a farm to see what the beef that's on their plate used to be?Yes. That's how I grew up, and everyone in my family. Maybe "harsh shit" but reality. Meat come from somewhere, like everything else. >>543362411>would you have to courage to kill the animal yourself?Yes. If I have chickens at home, I will encourage someone that handling the chickens with me to kill the animal him/herself because shit - we have chickens, we need to kill it to eat it. Of course we do it ourselves.
>>543362510>> the purpose of animals is to feed humansSays who? Non-human animals have existed long before humans. If you're specifically referring to cattle, they were bred into existence by humans animals.
>>543362508You just said, strong rational humans stone degens. Have you stoned any degens, or are you weak and irrational?
>>543362662Do you presume these animals will live forever? They will die, consumed by us or not. Why waste resources because you care more for their feelings than feeding other humans. Don't you care about your fellow man?
>>543362609>just reject all that time because muh feelingsBy your logic we evolved the ability to reject the past. Should we dismissed what we evolved in? Evolution is survival of the fittest, it's what benefits the species. If questioning how things were has become a universal trait that evolution didn't punish, it's clearly for the better. Nowhere can you find more people honoring their traditions and culture and the past than in shitholes like India or the poorest African countries. If you look at any developed society today, it was borne of innovation that was the result of letting go of the shackles of tradition and past. I'm not saying we should dismiss our past, we should honor it and remember it, but we should also question it, and not be bound by it. And I'm not basing this on feelings. Sometimes my feelings go against logic. And that's when I tend to listen to logic.
i just ate a whole bag of tendies because of this thread. it was p yummy
>>543362716>Why waste resources because you care more for their feelings than feeding other humans.Because, as I've already said multiple times, humans can thrive on a plant-bases diet. Let cows pigs and chickens go extinct, we have no more need of them.
>>543362799>Let cows pigs and chickens go extinct, we have no more need of them.So...Were you vegan because of your love of animals or are you vegan or what is going on here?You pretty much owned yourself faggot.
>>543362799>we have no need for them>WEI love grilled steak bro, you won't take that from me
>>543362411Yes bro, because again, not everybody experiences the hyperactive anxiety you do over thinking about animals suffering. You are mentally ill. It is your problem.
>>543362865Let them go extinct by old age and by not being needed by human-animals any longer, not by mass culling.
>>543362974If someone else is paying to farm animals explicitly for food why do you give two shits about it. It's their investment not yours. You don't have any right to demand anyone give in to your irrational expectations. Supply and demand.
>>543362923If your strongest argument is "but it tastes good lol xD," you can see for yourself that your moral standards are very low.
>>543357711>you can get every single macro or micro-nutrient from plantscheck the "healthy vegans" videos from sv3rigehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFF30jfTubUthis is old by now(they're wrecks)
>>543363123Your strongest argument is that animals can feel sad, therefore you must slowly die of malnutrition. It doesn't follow. At least you're typing your own responses instead of copy pasting AI now.
>>543362974not actually possible. there are thousands of more chickens, cows and pigs alive then any environment can support. the only way all these animals could actually be alive is purely because humans go out of there way to to produce, ship, and bring enough sustenance to these animals.releasing them would result in them scraping the land bare of any food, then dying in masse. actual, reasonable population levels of any of these groups are 99% smaller.>then feed them and keep them alivethe economic devastation would put billions into poverty, millions, of not billions, would die, untold human suffering that has never been seen ever in human existence would unfold. you, me, and everyone we know would have to toil our lives away, desperately finding other food sources we can strip the earth barren of to feed these massive, gigantic populations
>>543363200>can feel sadProven by science. >slowly die of malnutritionNot proven. I've been vegan for 10 years now, my bloods are perfect, I'm 80 kg @ 12% bodyfat, my RHR is 55, my BP is 110/60. No, I will not post my body so that you can fap over it.
>>543362662>>> the purpose of animals is to feed humans>Says who? Me.Who the fuck are you ?>Non-human animals have existed long before humans.1) Human Beings are not animals.I am a Spirit Being in a body, not an "animal plus an intellect" like you evolutionists.2) So what. I did not exclude the bleeding obvious fact that animals eat animals, that the purpose of animals is to be killed and eaten by animals. (That latter does not exclude the fact that the purpose of animals is to be killed and eaten by humans.)>If you're specifically referring to cattle, they were bred into existence by humans animals.Imbecile. The historic and scientific fact is, all domesticated animals (cattle; sheep; chickens; etc), existed in a natural wild form, before we domesticated them.>Human Beings are not animals>The purpose of animals is to feed animals and humans>Human Beings are not animals>The purpose of animals is to feed animals and humans>Human Beings are not animals>The purpose of animals is to feed animals and humans
>>543357214i bet $5 you are chinese
>>543363418>Spirit Being>evolutionistsOh you're s religious nut, not gonna engage with you sorry.Yes I'm doing ad hominem.
>>543363359Animals feel sad, therefore you must die from malnutrition. I'm not sure why you think weight and body fat in a vacuum are measures of health. What's your 1RM bench and squat?
>>543363453he should worry about organ harvesting instead of animals then
>>543363537>malnutritionYou keep repeating that word like a broken record, but no matter how many times you say it, it will never be true, unless you know something that the NHS, the WHO, the AND, the ADA and many more don't?
