Do they have any realistic path to victory or is this war being dragged so mutts can profit from it?
>>543366547definitely the latter, no clue how Ukrainians became this level of blind
>>543366547But the Ukraine is already winning.
>>543366547TZD
>>543366547>Do they have any realistic path to victory or is this war being dragged so mutts can profit from it?the 1991 borders are eternally gone and absolutely nothing will ever bring them backukrainians themselves want this war to continue and under no circumstance will stop untill the last ukrainian male dies
>>543366547Yes.>>543367611Kys.>>543367632Based.
What else they can do, becoming a russian vassal state is a fate way worse than death.So they may as well fight to the very end.The sound of ukraine collapse will be dirty bombs/nukes to make moscow unlivable for decades.
>>543366547The war is dragged so there are fewer russians in this world.
>>543366547Vid rel from 2019, he also said that the price will be paid by Ukrainian blood The reality hit harder and faster than expected and his narrative quickly went to no delusions of NATO or EU membership and no delusions of victory, strategic, pyrrhic or symbolic.He is completely aware of what is happening and he made it happen. >>543367400>how Ukrainians became this level of blindjust like western normies they genuinely believe propaganda and if someone dares to speak truth he is prosecuted. Arestovich himself made such mistake, he was forced to resign a year into the war when he openly said one of the Russian rockets that hit civilian building was actually shot down by Ukraine. He resigned and immediately left the country
>>543367870Amazing how many people refuse to understand this.
>>543367870>What else they can do, becoming a russian vassal state is a fate way worse than deathNo it isn't, look at Belarus
>>543366547Probably no.
>>543367870Ukraine doesn't have nukes though.
>>543366547Schneerson got his way
>>543367974We refuse to understand this because realistically this is something that has never happened. Japan got nuked, surrendered as they couldn't win, and kept going afterwards. As a US vassal state yeah but as a rich country.
>>543367870thisunder russian oppression you can't even have gay pride paradesit is a fate worse than death
>>543367946Why did he say Russia will take over Ukraine in 10-12 years
>>543368078Ukraine got nuclear plants and plenty of radioactive refuse stockpiles.Is not about making actual nukes, but radioactive pollution bombs, "dirty nukes".
>>543368223This is why I support the Ukraine. Putler would genocide us by banning that.
>>543366547yes
>>543368203Being a "vassal state" of the US is quite a bit different than being it to Russia, history proves that well. Why do you act stupid on purpose?
>>543368321sry wrong webm
>>543368364sry again worng
>>543368411wtfnow right webmyes.
>>543368017Belarus is a russian region in all but name, they got special privileges as a trading hub with the west and other strategic reasons.Is like kaliningrad.
>>543368273This is 2019, after Maidan but before war, Ukraine kept up the appearance of newly established independent potential EU member, without drastic measures like joining NATO and starting war, it would eventually waddle down back to playing neutrality between EU and Russia, to Ukrainian zog brained minds that equates complete Russian take over
>>543368358You can't change geographical location so there is nothing much you can do. Belarus is a vassal state of Russia and they are fine compared to third world shitholes. Also you haven't explained what the path to victory here is.
>>543368589It's amazing how they knew what's gonna happen and they did it anywayZelensky literally said that the West wants to sacrifice Ukraine to damage Russia and then played along anyway
>>543368358is it?trump promised ukraine would give up half her lng and oil pipeline profits in perpetuity until the $180 billion ukraine borrowed from america is paid offthat doesnt include the 100 billion euro IMF loan and the probably 300 billion europe has loaned ukraine which all are waiting on returns whoever wins ukraine is destroyed thats why the war continues
>>543366547Russia will win the war in 300 years when they finally make it to Kyiv at their current pace
>>543368624Belarus is a third world shithole buddy.
ukraine still exists so they're winning. we know whatever goals russia had in the beginning will never be achieved.
>>543368708Ethnicity, none of the people who make these decisions see themselves as Ukrainians, see themselves paying aforementioned price, none of them will be held accountable. They are just playing their roles and doing their job. Its kind of the same with Russia but difference is officials still see themselves as Russians (even when they are fucking churka niggers) but make distinction based on perceived wealth / class, ie they will pay the price but they can afford it and work around it.Even our fucking jews see themselves as Russian Jews and not "jews" and treat themselves as special true voices of Russia.
>>543366547All outcomes of War is decided before the war began.-- Sunn Tzoo
>or is this war being dragged so mutts can profit from it?Designed that way from day 1
>>543366547all wars are like this - first one to say >its enough/not worth it - i quit looses more - now its became war of attrition to see who will throw the towel first - drones made war even less population intensive - and became more production dependant than before - and this means Russia looses its main advantage - limitless meatwaves...
>>543367870>>What else they can do, becoming a russian vassal state is a fate way worse than death.I don't know mate, I would definitely prefer to live in Russia rather then to die in trenches, so I could guess the answer is probably lies within closed borders, violent conscription and the docile nature of ukrainians.
>>543370955You will democratically die in a trench anyway, sorry
>>543370955if donbabwe and luganda are of any consequencefirst thing after joining Mother Russia is mass conscription into meat grinder on Russian side...
>>543368321>>543368364>>543368411>>543369107>ukraine still exists so they're winning. we know whatever goals Russia had in the beginning will never be achieved.the goal is Crimea and Donbass as it always was, its already been achieved, the 1991 borders are eternally gone forever and ukraine has no ability to ever take them back EVER, and everything else is just demilitarizing nato forever so they can never ever again wage european-style continent wide warfare via proxy
>>543370955Don't let the recruiters get you
>>543367946whos this guy
>>543366547Yes the Soviet Putin collapses and there is a 100% withdrawal. Donbas and Luhansk get UN peacekeepers, and then hold protected elections to protect their own interested and keep out the horde.
>>543373303>demilitarizing nato forever so they can never ever again wage european-style continent wide warfare via proxyha. hahaha. Ha.HahahaHAHAHAHAA.Oh wait you're serious.Russia doesn't have a chance in hell of surviving any of this. The west's bankers are wringing their hands, circling in the air over the dying body of Russia. They will swoop in and devour everything.Fucking. Everything.There are no laws to stop them, Russia has been bled dry. They will take everything with promises to payback all Russian debt. and "take care of things"And the funniest part is that Russians will be relieved it's all over and McDonalds reopens.If you've never lived in Russia, then just stop posting on these topics in /pol/.
>>543374261Arestovich iirc
>>543374261The most popular Ukrainian propagandist and copium dealer of the first couple of war years>>543366547Just like always, they'll say that Russian failed to capture Kiev/all the Ukraine/kill all hohols and declare victory
>>543368078I hope someone gives them one and then we can all pretend we have no idea where it came from. It is not like Russia can prove it came from NATO.
>>543374261>>543375927>The most popular Ukrainian propagandist and copium dealer of the first couple of war yearsUsed to be direct advisor to president of Ukraine and his office. "Architect" of current Ukrainian identity you could say
>>543366547ursula promised ukrainians victory in afterlife
