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Faith is the key element of both politics and religion.
Logic takes a back seat when it comes down to making a final choice.
What one believes is of paramount importance.

Discussion of faith in politics is largely absent outside of the propaganda aspects.
It is an almost forbidden topic to say that you simply BELIEVE that something should be a certain way without some scientific backing. Political ‘science’ seeks to break down beliefs into a scientifical format to lend it legitimacy. It is really just a poor critique of the propaganda side of politics.

FAITH has a very large meaning. If you care to explore it, https://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/faith has a historical and well thought out look at the meaning of the word. We will simply use the first:
>1. Belief; the assent of the mind to the truth of what is declared by another, resting on his authority and veracity, without other evidence; the judgment that what another states or testifies is the truth.
As you can see, logic, science, nor anything else have anything to do with it when it comes right down to it. They may assist you in making the decision, but ultimately FAITH is a choice. You set your will to have faith or you do not. There is no middle ground. If you are still debating the topic in your own mind, you have no faith. 99.999% pure faith is 100% self-delusion. You have refused to have faith in whatever it is. You have said, “NO.”

Since we have established that science has no place in this discussion, we will not seek to prove our point using this system which promotes the abdication of thought while claiming to be the arbiters of all truth equal to any religion. They are mere hypocrites, overgrown children playing the game of religion without adults.
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>>543384292
Religion requires faith. If your religion lies about that fact, your religion is a lie. As we ultimately must discuss religion to discuss politics, since all are mere faith based systems, we will turn to the Word of God on the application of faith.
>Hebrews 10:38-39 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
According to God, you are either operating in faith or you are not. Indecision does not exist. This topic, as applied in the lives of the faithful, is discussed at length and in depth in the following chapter.
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>>543384324
>Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Same as it ever was, politics and religion agree that whether the conditions you hope for exist or not, faith is key to making them so.

>Hebrews 11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
The first murder was the end of the first brotherhood of man. Politics simply mimics this on a grand scale. Abel, whom God declares righteous for acting by faith, gave a sacrifice that we have no record of a command for. How then did Abel know to do it? He heard the Word form God some place that has not been recorded. How do we know?
>Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Without hearing, there can be no faith.

This is no different in politics. Marx is the most renowned god of politics in the modern age. Whether you believe him, and enter into the communist faith, or refuse to accept his word, you still partake in the choice of faith that is modern politics. Communists have done more to communicate their message than most political religions. The true believers passion of faith carries this failed experiment on to new generations to learn the hard way. Other political religions are equal in failure if not in flair.
Propaganda is essential to the life of politics. Without the word, nonbelievers cannot be brought to faith or judged for their lack of it. This condemnation is a mere aping of God’s Word reduced to a more bestial format.
>John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
As above, so below, in form if not function.
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>>543384395
From Enoch’s faith we learn,
>Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
As in religion, so in politics. Those who question the faith of politics shall not prosper in it, but true believers will be elevated to the heights! Those who surround Donald Trump illustrate this very well. Those who believe and preach the true word of MAGA remain in the good graces of their chosen god. Those who waiver are trampled under foot as the dung in a designated street in India.
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>>543384427
That brings us to Noah, father of all men now living.
>Hebrews 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
We see this in twisted reflection among the zionist neo-cons of our day. They seek to remake the world to avoid that which they fear, being held to account for the sins they spill out into the world in a flood of human blood. They seek to establish their own riches to ensure their future to the condemnation of all who are not among their august class of rulership.
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>>543384462
We now move on to a key figure in modern politics, Abraham. His lineage has been claimed by the three major religions as their own, by their own faith in their traditions, not by the Word of God. Abraham was promised a seed, and it was delivered.
>Galatians 3:16-18 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
All those who seek the inheritance seek to annul the promise. They ignore the lesson set forth by Abraham
>Hebrews 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
The set false promises based on an inheritance their forefathers forsook long before they were born, as their distorted aim. They seek to pretend an inheritance in the land of Canaan, which has never been theirs to claim. They view possession as 9/10 of the law, and pretend that last 10th does not hold their ultimate destruction. They base their political future on a lie that even God Himself has declared they will not profit from.
>Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them WHICH SAY THEY ARE JEWS, AND ARE NOT, but are the synagogue of Satan.
>Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, WHICH SAY THEY ARE JEWS, AND ARE NOT, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
Good fruit does not come from a corrupt tree.
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>>543384522
They mistake the physical blessing given to their forefather, Esau, as being the eternal promise made to Jacob’s line.
>Hebrews 11:20 By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.
They lie and say the promise is theirs for the land. They think that by occupying it first they make their claim more valid than the Palestinians they genocide for G-d. All modern politics hinge around this bastardization of faith. No one seeks to properly identify who the promises were made to or the conditions necessary for a valid claim of those promises to be honored.

Joseph suffered in life and rose to great power, ruling over the land of Egypt, second only to Pharaoh., but setting his sights on the future he will be resurrected into.
>Hebrews 11:22-24, 26 By faith Joseph, when he died, made mention of the departing of the children of Israel; and gave commandment concerning his bones. By faith Moses, when he was born, was hid three months of his parents, because they saw [he was] a proper child; and they were not afraid of the king's commandment. By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter; ... Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.
We see that Joseph gave this hope to others, with Moses himself carrying it until his death with a hope of life eternal.
This is darkly mirrored in the political realm as men record their opinions of government and create schools to indoctrinate future generations to achieve them. For good or ill, the American forefathers have done this with great success. Even though some knew it would rot as it passed through the pages of history, they sought to establish their work for as long as possible. The Apotheosis of George Washington in the capital dome speaks of the hubris of such endeavors. Politics becomes religion even where religion fails to achieve political victory.
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>>543384761
Men do great things in pursuit of their faith,
>Hebrews 11:33-34 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions, Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.
In politics, many kingdoms have fallen, morality (correct or not) established in conquered lands, promises obtained by force or deception, strong mouths silenced by the guillotine or other less bloody techniques, violence ultimately ended when everything has been burned, compatriots spared the sword of their enemies, weak and immoral men made to rule over all, many great battles fought, and enemies turned to flight, sometimes themselves to become and instrument of war invading other lands.
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>>543384820
Great sacrifice accompanies all true acts of faith.
>Hebrews 11:35-38 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection: And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment: They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented; (Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.
Modern political religions require no less sacrifice, though no rewards follow. Women receive their living returned in a box wrapped in a flag to prove their sacrifice benefited the rulers. Many are tortured, receiving deliverance only in death. No resurrection is promised, only that the suffering might serve to strike fear into the hearts of other nonbelievers who dare to disbelieve in the political religion of their rulers. Both believers and non may be mocked and scourged to serve the ‘greater good’, meaning specifically the good of the great. Slavery and imprisonment are also favored tools of the elite. Many die by shot and sword, with salvation offered if they renounce their disbelief and swear fealty to their overlords’ pretended divinity. They wander in rags, destitute of all earthly belongings and sustenance, being forced to hide in the mountain caves and holes they dig under the earth to hide from the violence brought by men who presume themselves gods.
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>>543384861
The question is not one of whether you will have faith in life, but rather WHO will you have faith in. Do you embrace God and His Word, relying on Him to come and raise you from the grave as He raised His own Son after He died on the cross? Do you accept the blood sacrifice for your crimes against Him and humble yourself to be remade a new man fit for the Kingdom of God? Or, do you refuse the offer, placing your faith in your own flesh and fantasy, or the fantasies of other men who wish to subjugate you to serve them and build their kingdoms? You have faith in God or you default to faith in the world you see dying around you. As Karl Von Clausewitz states,
> War is the continuation of politics by other means.
Spiritual war is no different. Religion and politics are one. The spiritual war has been raging since our forefather Adam chose faith in his wife over faith in God. We have been losing ground ever since. That war is reaching a climax. The false intelligences that coordinate all the previously laid foundations of deception should be an excellent indication. There is coming a day when your faith will be proved. A man will step forward to lead humanity into a great future. Another man, also God, will return to claim His own and leave those who love the lie to perish in it.
You whether you choose by volition or default, you choose the reward you will receive, be lit life or death...eternal.
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>>543384292
faith is for the afterlife meanwhile here on planet earth right wingers are the way
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RIGHT WING BASICS
http://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1pi20Rr9_BxBbMIfcZUTTGslfZTifEiCm
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>>543384601
This was not written to you.
You never had faith, nor did your father.

>>543384674
If you even knew him.

>>543384986
>faith is for the afterlife meanwhile here on planet earth right wingers are the way
You clearly did not even read the first post.
This is why people don't listen to you, because you don't listen to them.
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>>543384674
>>543384986
Nothing more from these proud meme warriors?!
Surely you have some other smart-assed reply that will help to further illustrate your ignorance.
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Robutts must not know what to say.
Too bad there are only like ten real people left on /pol/.
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How do you plan to resist the ancient death cult, anons?
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>>543387233
they have to be invited in like vampires, just never answer the door, easy
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>>543387474
Service noted.
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>>543387694
Can't avoid vampires in this day and age.
Best just carry a mallet and some good hardwood stakes.
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>>543384601
mr rogers apparently had a very problematic son, makes me wonder how he handled it
he was an absolutely devout christian but I don't see him following this shit to cut off a child of his
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>>543387589
Gone are the days of beaver.
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>>543388051
lel from where this thread reminded me of, bittersweet reminder of how good that place was
this thread would have gotten engaged with a lot more there
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>>543388182
Well, there were more actual humans here in the past.
I knew it had gotten bad, but I think the bots may have just about killed off their last source of relatively unmanipulated human communication.

Guess they figure most people are too stupid to see any difference or care, so no need to put in the effort anymore.
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>>543388182
Beaver posts come from full. Half has always been bad.
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>>543388454
>Half has always been bad.
All or nothing.
Few White men take that path these days.
Even being normal is too extreme for most.
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What stage do you think we are in?
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>>543388338
>there were more actual humans here in the past.
indeed there were
there'd been a couple not so steep dropoffs previously but it being down with the sharty thing, took a huge hit there
and all the captcha changes since plus the temporary rage bans requiring you to fill out like 15 fucking captchas in a row to verify a burner email to bypass only to then still have to do like 3 captchas per post has been bleeding people, but allegedly, supposedly (because there's no official statements here so you have to go off word of anons who know what they're talking about), they're all because the site has been getting nonstop attacked since the sharty hack, and an unintentional result of all that is this gradual shutting out of huge swathes of phonefags which were like half+ the traffic anymore

there's still a sizable number of good posters here (and far as I've seen vast majority of 8ch either gradually made it back here after running through the gauntlet shitshow of post-8ch alts, or left altogether) but they're buried under cancer and the cat moves so fast it's a dice roll what you see or don't unless you're looking at the first half every refresh

and even at the best of times, making good posts and making good OPs are different things and the latter of those was always rarer; some of it at least here now with the shit OPs is simple pattern recognition though
shit so-obvious-it's-not-even-actual-bait OPs fill fast, effort OPs most often quickly sink, so they follow more what works or just end up even copypasting the same ones all the time

helps if you just look at them as general topic setters, there's often far better posts and discussions within a thread than the OPs give any hint of
plus it's where all the worst excuses for wannabe trolls are
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>>543388454
half was never quite THIS bad, and full's /pol/ used it often as a forward base to keep gayops heat off of 8ch
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>>543389332
*also because it had vastly more traffic and reach than 8ch could hope to
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sorry realizing I'm just running my mouth about shit you likely already know, my bad
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>>543389262
>site has been getting nonstop attacked since the sharty hack
The wave of bots is impressive, and has to be condoned.

>often far better posts and discussions within a thread than the OPs give any hint of
I rarely make threads.
It invites the ban hammer these days.
Everything is off topic and spam unless it is off topic spam.
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>>543389632
>sorry realizing I'm just running my mouth about shit you likely already know, my bad
That's okay.
Being in a thought desert does make one want to puke out thoughts when you run into someone capable of thinking.
Of course, these days the bots are better than most of the idiots who are people.
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Gotta love the decline of western civilization.
Gunfire down the street as I shitpost.
Pic related.
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>>543384324
>the Word of God
>it's just some old smelly jews talking about how to fleece the goyim
spic thread
gg
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Not even the glowniggers will come out to play.
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Robutts reply to this post or your motherboard will die in sleep mode tonight.
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christkike thread
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>>543393630
ok christkike, I'll entertain you. does prayer work?



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