>Disproves nazism
>>543409468Qrd on Stalingrad
>>543409514I am playing with my glans a little
>>543409514Russians baited Germans into thinking they where close to winning to keep them occupied, while building up two massive armies on either side and curb stomping them when they where ready
>>543409468>disprovesfalseit proves that Hitler was a total retard
>>543409732This one was the fault of his generals. Hitler made reasonable decisions at the time based on what his generals were telling him in terms of what the situation was and what they were capable of doing about it.
>>543409514Germany was supposed to win because whiteys are supposed to be better than slavs, but he lost
>>543409514slavs are the strongest race
>>543409514The superior race won. >According to official Soviet military archives, only about 12% of airplanes, 10% of tanks, and 2% of artillery pieces supplied via Lend-Lease were utilized during the Battle of Stalingrad.The vast majority of Allied Lend-Lease resources had not yet arrived in large volumes by the time the battle concluded in February 1943.> Historical consensus from both Western and Soviet military historians confirms that the Battle of Stalingrad was won using primarily Soviet-built combat weaponry.The small numbers of Allied planes, tanks, and artillery present at Stalingrad were far too negligible to alter the course of that specific battle.
Why Hitler needed Stalingrad?
>>543410246>>543409514Germany was supposed to have the best soldiers and generals in the world, and they did up until they got mogged by superior Soviet fighting men and military commanders.
>>543410463>Why Hitler needed Stalingrad?>Adolf Hitler wanted to capture Stalingrad for three primary reasons: securing vital oil fields, severing the Soviet Union's main transportation artery, and achieving a massive propaganda victory.
>>543410463To prove that nazism was better than communism, and then he lost because instead of spending resources on fighting the two front total war germany was in, he spent it on Operation Reinhard, Auschwitz, Sonderaktion 1005, Sonderaktion 1005b, and other projects
>>543410196Complete horseshitDirective 45, which completely overturned Army Group South's primary objective of capturing the Caucasus oil fields, was ALL Hitler's. It's not even debatable, because literally ALL top generals were stupefied at his decision to split the Army Group just as it was poised to march to Baku, leaving only half a force to invade the Caucasus while sending its best units hundreds of kilometers to the east, for a frontal assault on heavily fortified StalingradAmong extremely stiff competition, this was the golem Fuhrer's most egregious and blatant 'blunder', and it completely bungled Barbarossa and doomed Europe, just as intended by Hitler's puppet masters
>>543410527None of those make any sense
>>543409514It was the battle that was concurrent with operation mars.
>>543410628Enlighten me then, faggot.
>>543410463He didn't. Hitler was under full blown mind control when he issued that Order
>>543409468Proof of corruption in the command. They basically let Hitler be in charge of military planning. Time and time again, he'd go against the wishes of his generals.
>>543410705Why do nazi chuds worship Hitler again?
>>543410754Losers worship another loser. Its rather obvious.
>>543409468>50 million people against 2 billion people>they still managed to get to StalingradIf anything it proves that nazism is the greatest ideology ever devised by man.
>>543410705the "Madman Hitler!!!" card was used as a scrapegoat by the German generals in their post-war memoirsmeanwhile Hitler understood strategy better than his own generals who thought that taking Moscow would cause the USSR to collapse (hint: it wouldn't) and instead knew that he was almost out of fuel so he tried the Caucasus gambit
>>543410315>>543410323>slavs>superior raceI can never get enough of people living in completely economically devastated countries full of corruption claiming they are the best and strongest race. We heckin' beat those evil germans!!
>>543410590kys kike
This was the population imbalance I'm talking about.They still managed to almost win the war.
>>543410671It obviously wasn't to secure any oil fields, because the order to attack Stalingrad came the very day after HGS captured Rostow-on-Don, the Gateway to the Caucasus to the south, while Stalingrad lay hundreds of kilometers to the east, so Hitler split the Army Group (classical blunder nr 1), instantly doubling its supply lines by sending it south and east (classical blunder nr 2) leaving the group too weak to capture the oil fields as planned (blunder nr 3) while sending its strongest divisions to frontally assault the most heavily fortified place int he eqworld at the time (blunder nr 4)Propaganda victory or 'severing a transportation artery' when the very heart should have been captured a year before if it hadn't been for another of the golem Fuhrer's classical 'blunders' (Directive 33) also make no sense at allWhat does make sense, in the face of a series of inexplicable blunders, at moments when his armies were poised to gain a decisive advantage, decisions which left all those closely involved completely dumbfounded, is enemy assets within Hitler's inner circle drugging and controlling him, especially when we have ample evidence of such assets, and practices
>>543409514>Advance on Moscow stalls because Germans are running out of gas>Need to take Stalingrad to secure Russian oil fields>Divert army group center down south to take the city>They fail, exhaust a lot of resources and manpower and Germany never advances in the east again
>>543411064>Slovenia>completely economically devastatedAlso>countries full of corruption>Said the fucking shitalian criminalWe used to toss brown manlets like you into pits and left you to starve.
>>543411060More hitlertard nonsenseSee >>543411119 and picrel
>>543409514stalingrad is the pivot point of ww2. the loss was an immense moral boost for all allied troops because the spell of german invincibility has finally been broken. thats why its important. not because of any strategy or tactics or whatever. the blitzkrieg failed in this moment for all the world to see pants down.why it failed has multiple reasons, all of them boring and technical. almost unimportant. if you wanted to go by math you could argue there just werent enough soldiers to make it happen. not enough power to capture moscow, not enough power to capture oil fields at baku. its not just the lack of supplies its a lack of men. had barbarossa started with maybe 2 million soldiers more it might have worked but thats asking the impossible, i dont think nazis slept on military potential like that. there were no hidden reserves. they tried to use maximum force and it failed, it wasnt enough.
>>543411119>>543411217>send the entire army south>soviets counterattack and easily cut it off>an even bigger disaster than Stalingrad occurs, causing the front to collapse even faster and allowing USSR to grab even more European landbravo!!!
>>543410463Operation Case Blue was to seize the Baku oil fields, Germany was on a ticking clock for fuel with the Allied naval blockade.Stalingrad had to be taken because getting the oil from Baku to Germany involves shipping it up the Caspian sea, and up the Volga river to Stalingrad where there's proper rail infrastructure. The long rail line through the mountains from Rostov to Baku was never built for that kind of throughput.>>543410590See above. Even if you wanted to half ass objectives of Case Blue by ignoring Stalingrad, still have to push east to the Volga to interdict Soviet logistics. The oil from Baku, and the supplies supporting the armies in the Caucasus are going through the Volga. Ignoring Stalingard would also leave their flank open. If they sent the whole army group south, what would resist forces in Stalingrad from pushing SW to Rostov and cutting off the entire Army Group South?Besides, even the split force pushing to Stalingrad had severe logistic problems. It would have been worse further south, and piling more troops in doesn't help.
>>543411208Uh oh rapebaby melty!Nobody can even place your country on a map, pipe down slavlet, even Croats are more important than you
>>543409514defence > offence
>>543411376>Nobody can even place your country on a mapYour retardation is not my problem.
>>543411248Lmao, do you hitlertards even look at a map, ever? Stalingrad was no threat to HGS north-south supply lines>>543411320>Stalingrad had to be taken because getting the oil from Baku to Germany involves shipping it up the Caspian sea,Kek, here's another one, and HE EVEN POSTS A MAPLook retard, Stalingrad isn't close to Rostow, and Caucasus oil could flow north just fine, which is why incorporated with HGS were thousands of kilometers of pipelines and petroleum engineers
>>543411064strongest doesn't inherently equal to superioryou're obviously not from the smartest race if you don't understand this naturally
>>543410534>nazismNational (german) socialismPurpose of socialism is communismSoviets were (jewish) international socialists at first then (russian) national socialists with satelite states and a hefty international presence.
>>543411320>Ignoring Stalingard would also leave their flank open. If they sent the whole army group south, what would resist forces in Stalingrad from pushing SW to Rostov and cutting off the entire Army Group South?Nope, this makes no sense either. Securing the supply lines requires defensive positions along them, not marching half an army more than five hundred kilometers to the east of them, to attack the most heavily fortified structure in the world
>>543411506Why would it make sense to push all the way to Baku without securing Stalingrad first?
>>543410754He was one of the rare guys who stood up to the world jewry in modern timesStalin, Tito, Milošević, Saddam, Gaddafi pale in comparisonThere's incredible value and greatness in revolting against satanism no matter the costNeonazism is jewish unfortunately
>>543411652cuckold
its actually quite a spectacular failure absolutely no one expected the german army to lose at barbarossa in case you arent aware of this. no report of any glownigger of any side wrote anything of german weaknesses/failure prior to stalingrad. people could not imagine a german loss before stalingrad that was the myth.the general idea was: russia lost ww1, now stinky commies rule, theres no way they managed to create anything productive, so the war will be EASY they also couldnt even take finland!on top of that you had this judeo bolshevist idea that russians were swamp dwellers led by a jewish elite and this system would instantly collapse when declared war upon, the famous "house of cards" quote. basically half the war planning relied on this, i dont know how this could possibly happen in such a militarized nation, but i guess after winning over france they believed in the impossible, which ultimately became their doom.
>>543411605Because Stalingrad is 1000 km to the north of Baku, and 500 km tot the east of Rostow?
>>543411813Sounds like it would be easy for the Soviets to cut off the troops in Baku?
>>543410483Halder was a moron who got lucky the Allies gave him basically free reign to rewrite history and besmirch his opponents in the OKW
>>543410754Daddy issues and the need for some "benevolent savior"
>>543410590Army Group A didn't even manage to take Grozny.Is there any reason to think that a united southern army would have made it all the way to Baku?The Germans were stretched for supplies already. Getting all the way to Baku and defending that line with the USSR sending thousands and thousands of tanks to break it seems difficult.
>>543411896What's easy about attacking the supply lines of a massive force, at a distance of 500-1000 kilometers?And even so, is the solution really attacking the most heavily fortified place in the world, with half an army and double the supply lines?Does this actually make sense to you? Be honest now
>>543411652Milošević along with Tuđman and Izetbegović were all ZOG stooges, he was just discarded afzer he was no longer useful
>>543410463USSR transported huge amounts of oil from Baku (most of their oil came from Baku) up the Volga river. Stalingrad sat on the Volga river. Taking it would have disrupted their oil supply.
>>543411944>Is there any reason to think that a united southern army would have made it all the way to Baku?They couldn't have, German logistcs(or the lack of them) were their Achilles heel
>>543411944>Army Group A didn't even manage to take Grozny.They did make it to the Maikop oil fields, which was some 10-15% of Soviet oil at the time>any reason to think that an army twice the size, with half the supply lines and its strongest units intact, could have succeeded?Do you really want to be asking this?>The Germans were stretched for supplies already. So your solution is stretching them even more, hundreds of kilometers east into even more hostile territory?
>>543411594Securing that flank required taking Stalingrad and the west bank of the Volga. Not digging in on open ground and leaving a major logistics hub that can support a large soviet offensive within striking distance of cutting off the entire army group. >the most heavily fortified structure in the worldNonsense. The defenses were hastily prepared while Soviet forces resisted the advance of 6th Army. By the time they got to the city, the divisions that entered Stalingrad were significantly under strength.
>>543410323>>According to official Soviet military archives, only about 12% of airplanes, 10% of tanks, and 2% of artillery pieces supplied via Lend-Lease were utilized during the Battle of Stalingrad.The vast majority of Allied Lend-Lease resources>> Historical consensus from both Western and Soviet military historians confirms that the Battle of Stalingrad was won using primarily Soviet-built combat weaponrysubhuman nazoid /pol/tards will cope and seethe at this
>>543410705Hitler was pretty indisputably correct that the first attack of Barbarossa should have been focussed on the south, though.His generals believed that they could smash the USSR forces arrayed in front of Moscow, and that'd be the war over. This was mistaken, because the USSR had been running a war economy for decades by this point, and could easily equip new formations using its industrial might in the east.Hitler was wrong, too, because he, like his generals and like the Anglos, massively underestimated the USSR's military reserve force. But he was less wrong, because had his plan worked and the oil fields in the south were secured, they would at least have a fighting chance to fight a sustained war. The generals' plan to simply smash Moscow and then have to fight with stretched logistical lines against whatever was left (which turned out to be A LOT) was hopeless.
>>543411751The failure of Barbarosa to achieve its objectives was the wakeup call. "Kick door, house collapses" was unironically the grand strategy. Everything after that was desperate hail mary's cause there really wasn't a viable plan B.
>>543409468will ukraine prove anything?
>>543412136>within striking distance500 kilometers wasn't striking distance back then you retard. Rostow to Grozny could easily have been secured by an intact HGSAlso these arguments are hilarious in the face of Directive 33> The defenses were hastily preparedHow does that change the fact Stalingrad was the most heavily fortified place in the world at the time, and the very last one a sane general would send his armies on a frontal assault against?
>>543411119Hitler suffered from parkinson thats why his doctor administered him scopolamine. Theres no weird conspiracy or drugged hitler behind this.
>>543412160only retards and russians say anglothe vast majority of the kingdom of england's population were mercian, anglia was tiny and remained tiny all the way to the unification
>>543412091>just transport your gigantic army 1,000km across the Caucasus mountains from Maikop to Baku, broEven in 1941 von Kleist had to abandon Rostov amidst supply shortages and winter conditions.Germany can't fight a long war with extended battle-lines. But the size of the USSR forces meant it would have to be a long war. This is why many people say the war is simply unwinnable for Germany. They just don't have the unlimited oil that the USSR has.
>Germans are advancing towards Stalingrad, late summer>During the retreat some soviet engineers blow up a railway bridge >Not knowing that this one move, already in summer, won them the entire battle of Stalingrad Chir-on-the-Don station was the bottleneck that killed 6th army
>>543412160By attacking on all fronts they encircled large numbers of disorganized Soviet forces. If Army Groups North and Center weren't advancing to Leningrad and Moscow, the front line would become even more stretched out and AGS would be increasingly vulnerable to getting cut off.The real fuck up was starting the war with no plan to capitulate the British and alleviate the naval blockade that strangled Germany in WW1.
>>543412388Except Dr Morell never diagnosed Hitler with Parkinson's Scopolamine wasn't the only mind control drug Morell used on Hitler. Not to mention Dr Morell's medical team was heavily implicated in mind control experiments post-WW2
Was WW2 about oil ?
>>543412472>So your solution is stretching them even more, hundreds of kilometers east into even more hostile territory?
>>543412573They took enormous amounts of war material from Dvinsk and Minsk - but these are far westward of Moscow. They perhaps didn't need to push all the way to Moscow. They just needed enough forces there to hold up the USSR forces, then focus their attack on the south.
>>543412598no it was about the fall of the British empire as two emerging empires fought the British's battle for them.
>>543411217From your map it is obvious that Stalingrad was fundamental since it is the point the connects the Volga to the Don River. In short, Stalingrad was the central supply point of oil for European Russia, and cutting it of would have crippled Stalin supply lines allowing Hitler to take over both Moscow as well as Saint Petersburg and Baku’s oils fields
>>543412393Anglo and England are just synonymous for everyone outside British people
The Battle of Moscow was the real turning point. Germany was defeated once and could never fully recover.
>>543412840Simply marching up to Baku with HGS as per the original plans would have cut off Stalingrad, dumbassAnd again, it's funny how hitler apologists claim a posteriori that Stalingrad was extremely vital to the USSR while they'll also insist Moscow wasn't
>>543412990The real turning point, then, was Directive 33. Another massive, blatant and classical 'blunder' on the part of the golem fuhrer. It's the stiffest competition for Directive 45 for the title of dumbest military decision in history, with Directive 13 (Dunkirk) trailingAt some point in the future, the conclusion that Hitler was a compromised leader whose enemy handlers became his most trusted advisors will be inescapable even for mainstream historians
>>543412506>They just needed enough forces there to hold up the USSR forces, then focus their attack on the south.There aren't many good defensive lines to stop at. They out numbered and had every advantage in the opening stages, but couldn't overcome the opposing force. "Holding them up" would just be letting them get organized and build up strength, avoiding the heavy casualties when they were trading the worst.There's no swift push to Baku. 1000km with a single rail line that has lots of bridge crossings that can be sabotaged.
>>543409468>needs us weapons and supplies to winlol
>>543412598Germany wanted to expand, as it recognised that the future belonged to those powers which had already grasped huge amounts of territory (and thus resources and also people) for themselves (British Empire, USSR, USA, China).Hitler felt that the gap between the imperial powers and "the rest" would only grow with time, and he acted on it.Germany was also going through a golden age, with many capable men in industry, politics, academia, etc. The time was right for a German expansion, but the opposition forces were already too strong.
>>543413035>And again, it's funny how hitler apologists claim a posteriori that Stalingrad was extremely vital to the USSR while they'll also insist Moscow wasn'tThe Germans discovered Soviet documents saying exactly this: We can afford to lose Moscow.
>>543413400Jfc where to even begin with this NPC drivel?Try picrel>>543413455Sure they did
>>543409514>>543410463>germans are low on oil after barbarossa>hitler comes up with a plan to take the oil fields in the caucasus>use army group south to conduct this operation>decide to split the army group into two factions (a and b) after it's decided that they should also secure the volga river>group a will take the oil fields while group b will take the river>hitler’s generals hate the plan and want to do another attack on moscow>hitler thinks his generals are fools and don’t understand the economic importance of moving into the south of russia>somewhere along the way they decide that they should also take the city of stalingrad which sits along the volga river>the operation is launched and group a takes the oil fields quickly, though not intact because the russians destroy them before leaving>while group b takes the don river and smashes the russians>the germans then push on to stalingrad>the fight goes from street to street, building to building, house to house and room to roomCONT.
>>543413620>hills, factories, houses, flats, a grin elevator all change hands as the germans and russians fight savagely over them>there’s fighting in sewers, officers getting picked off by snipers, diseases >after months of fighting a soviet general named vasilevsky comes up with the plan to encircle stalingrad, it's called operation uranus >on the outskirts of stalingrad sit ill equipped romanian soldiers>the operation is launched and these weaker axis solders get steam rolled by the soviet onslaught >t-34s run over and crush romanians in their trenches >the germans in the city of stalingrad are now encircled >a german general named manstein attempts to put a halt to the soviet advance and break into stalingrad>it fails>another soviet general named vatutin also launches a operation this one to strengthen the encirclement, it's called operation little saturn>this operation wipes out the unmotivated italian soldiers also on the flanks of the city>soviet marshal zhukov tries to take credit for all of these actions while getting a separate army massacred further north in operation mars around the same time>german general goring then comes up a plan to send in an airlift to supply the now trapped german soldiers with planes dropping supplies into the city>it fails>sometime later hitler promotes paulus to field marshal hoping he will kill himself>instead the newly promoted paulus surrenders himself and his army to the soviets and goes down as the only german general with the rank of field marshal to do soStalingrad is the bloodiest battle in history.
>>543413792>sometime later hitler promotes paulus to field marshal hoping he will kill himselfMore to the point: He promotes Paulus to field marshal because at that point no field marshal has surrendered, and he hopes this will encourage Paulus to fight on.And also correct on the non-German units. The Soviets targeted them specifically. Some fought bravely, others quickly melted away.
Germany couldnt enev beat france if was also prepeared for a total war. They just got lucky.
>>543413792>>on the outskirts of stalingrad sit ill equipped romanian soldiersNot only this, the Germans left them to guard a Soviet bridgehead They didn't even crush the bridgehead and leave them to defend the river bank.
>>543414540>he hopes this will encourage Paulus to fight on.The besieged Germans weren't giving up for a lack of motivation, they had no food or ammunition and had already exhausted every extremity holding out as long as they did. The promotion was a not subtle hint for Paulus to kys.
>>543414642French generals were actually the most brilliant. By ordering their men to resist the urge to fight the invaders they lured Hitler into a false sense of superiority, thinking Russia will be easy too "just kick the front door in lol".France is now 2-0 in world wars against Germany, and didn't have to spill a drop of blood to win the second one. Art of the 3d chess.
>>543413792>>on the outskirts of stalingrad sit ill equipped romanian soldiersIt has to added that Hitler foresaw these weakpoints and ordered the Romanians and Italians to be reinforced by German divisions. German staff (Halder) IGNORED the order.
>>543414938>>543414938Throughout the war Hitler complained that it WAS a lack of motivation.
>>543411896Buddy, they didn't have drones and F-35s in 1942. 500-1000km is a hefty distance for tanks and infantry to spread out as some 4D chess maneuver to POTENTIALLY block an attack elsewhere.
>>543415220Insane levels of cope.
>>543414642>enev >prepeared This gypsy huffed too much aurolac lol
>>543415220Only one who profited from the world wars is the United States. Nobody won anything.
>>543412295>most heavily fortified place in the world at the timedidn't they manage to take stalingrad though, and only later were encircled and flanked inside of it?or was seceding it was a deliberate plan by the soviet for the said flanking and encirclement?
>>543409514nazissies gaped and leaking
Cuck Hitler killed himself in his bunker like a tranny while the commiechads marched and raped his capital You lost nazi
>>543421104Never happened
>>543415220france keeps winning
Love these nazi cope threads>if if if if if if>we almost won!!!>hitler was a Jew!!!!
>>543413400Nazis wanted Germany to be self-sufficient and not dependent on the international trade. The "lebensraum" was about fertile land and natural resources; not a "space" per se.Fine and dandy but it was in conflict with the interests of other people and nations. And so many of them that the project must have eventually collapsed due to not being realistic.>we were fighting against everybody!!!no shit
>>543422281Nazis were jealous of the Americans standard of living and wanted the same. They were rich as fuck back then. Nothing is more humiliating than realizing you aren't the main character. All of NS is a massive cope for this.
>>543423658yeah but only the (((affluent))) had a high standard of living.the rest of the US was dealing with the dust bowl and great depression.
