In his writings, early Christian apologist Aristides of Athens categorized the people of his time into 4 groups or races depending on how they worshipped:>BarbariansWorshipped inanimate forces of nature.>GreeksWorshipped deities in anthropomorphic form.>JewsWorshipped the one true god, but fell short in how they did so.>ChristiansA new people, worshipped the one true god fully.I was raised Catholic but I don’t like how the early church fathers dismissed European culture to put Jews on a pedestal. Much of this happens also with the Codex Theodosianus, granting Jews more rights in Rome than its native religious practitioners. I will gladly acknowledge the achievements of Christianity in Europe but I will not ignore its destructive nature and Jewish origins. I’m not a larpagan, I just kind of wanted to address this.
>>543417766That’s a fair position. Christianity was a mixed bag.
>>543417766you're aware that you fit the barbarians category, right? you worship worldly identities and people through their own achievements (not even your own) rather than the One true God.
>the one true god[x] doubt
>>543418219I’m not sure why you choose to put me specifically in the barbarian category, all I’m saying is that I think it’s strange how we’re claiming Jews are more theologically correct than native European cultures.
>>543417766I still don't get why any greek (peak of civilized peoples) would choose the jew god over his own gods.>"but anon, Zeus was a degenerate rapist"Fanfic wrote by Homer, even in his times it was known as fanfic. Plato (simped by christians a lot) hated Homer for his blasphemies (aka, fanfics) against the Gods.>"but anon, Zeus is only for the greeks, Yahweh is for all"Why would any rational man want to worship the same god of the people that mutilate their own kids and anyone, even the most dysgenic barbarian, can worship too?
>>543417766>>543417766I like the greeks.
Not a problem for me. The way I see it, there can be three possibilities:>No religion is true.Then it doesn't matter what I believe, we are all meatbags and there's nothing after death, gg no re.>All religions are true.There needs to be a way to reconcile the contradictions, let's say that our minds shape the reality or some bs like that. Then the optimal choice would be to make my own religion to reflect my personal aesthetic tastes. Something for the white race, with Warhammer inspired imagery, Hammerfall inspired music and Shinto inspired deities, and meme it into existence.>One religion is true.Then necessarily there must have been a people who it has been revealed first, likely different from mine. The fact that it is arguably the vilest, most morally disgusting civilized people in history is probably not a coincidence, just the ultimate proof that God can turn any heart.
>>543418935>greekdon't be fooled because it says "of Athens", these were masses of koine speaking orientals larping as Greeks mass imported as servitude over centuries, they even used the endonym of real Hellenes as synonym with barbarian, that's how ""Greek"" they were by that time
>>543419012>Then it doesn't matter what I believe, we are all meatbags and there's nothing after death, gg no re.I kinda think of that what if the sun doesnt rotate around the earth.
>>543419143Maybe it is like the hindus think it is, what is consciousness is that an illusion or a certain kind of information network.If you die maybe you ll respawn in a blink of an eye if aenons pass you wouldnt even notice.
>>543419015Someday someone will have to do a work of the racial auto-genocide of the original greco-roman peoples, through a "Kalergi Plan" centuries before Kalergi was born.Also, fun fact: even in mythology is recognised that greeks and hellenes are not the same people despite being related:>Greeks, descendants of Græcus, son of Zeus and Pandora;>Hellenes, descendants of Hellen, son of Zeus and Pyrrha
>>543419256>>543419256What to me is interesting that just as we are born and experience that we are born in a time that we cannot even seperate AI from meatbags.That is kinda crazy.
>>543417766Did the Greeks get paid off by the Jews to spread Christianity? I don't get how people would willingly give up their original religion unless they had some sort of supernatural experience. Christianity was just trendy as fuck or what?
>>543419439>>543419439https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUld8x_7x0I
>>543417766At the time, most Christians were Ethiopians and North Africans. And modern science has proven that only the forces of nature are real.
>>543418935>>543419015The funny thing is that Christianity in Greece mainly spread quickly in Roman colonies that had a vast mix of hellenised peoples.While the actual Greeks mostly did not give a damn.
>>543419622>Christianity was just trendy as fuck or what?for the type of man that had come to dominate the major cities of the empire in the east particularly yes it was, especially for women and the wretched it was naturally attractive and the old religion was objectively in crisis if anything because fundamentally you are dealing with masses for whom Hellenism was not really "their" religion, it probably felt like an impositionhard to say how much jews consciously put money and effort into it to, say, outbid other competing mass religions, but there clearly was a demand for something unifying disparate human types with little ethnic bonds left, it seems like a natural consequence of empires running for centuries, the center can't hold the periphery militarily and with superiority anymore so they come up with non-violent ways to try keeping things together
>>543417766If it helps a common position and one that I believe is that the jews were chosen to be a warning and a wonder to the world. Even in the Scriptures they are largely regarded as a petty, spiteful, depraved and faithless people. There are heroes among them, though they are always shown to be deeply flawed too. Yet with God they did great things.Fast forward to the Christian era and we see the absolute heights of degeneracy and evil that the jews encapsulate. There is no other people group so disgusting; no one else so hateful, so cruel, so self-glorifying, so apathetic toward other men, so greedy, so perverse, so malicious; simply put, so evil. The jews are without a doubt the most vile and nasty and immoral people the world has ever known.... And yet with God, even a people as horrible as them could be pure and righteous and holy. Such is the power of God, and this is why all glory goes to God. It is outright stated that God often chooses the lowly, the unimpressive and the despised as His champions; it explains that this is done so that everyone would know that it is God who has wrought wonders, and not mere men. When Pharaoh and Caesar do mighty deeds; we give them the glory and wonder at their greatness. When a weak, elderly, uncharismatic and unimpressive man does mighty deeds; we know it is God who does them.So it is with the jews. As a people they are the worst, and this is to show the greatness of God; that even a people like them were noble and righteous when He was with them.
>>543419993No offence since you are Italian but the Roman Empire really did a number on the masses of orientals.The Romans created a soulless rootless blob of peoples that created the perfect breeding ground for Christianity to spread.
>>543417766It seems like you're getting closer to the truth, but not quite there yet. Christianity is merely just an imported religion from the desert. Are there good Catholics for example? Sure, but here's the reality as you already know: for thousands of years, the west was worshipping their own gods. If we time travelled back to those days and asked the people there something like "What do you think of Jesus?", they'd be like "Who?". Just like how our old gods were fake, the Christian one is just another fake one which simply took over the old establishment. Now, I don't know how that happened and why it became so widespread exactly, but it did. To me, all of that is just one example of many as to why we shouldn't be worshipping some Jewish rabbi from the desert as "God".
>>543419622Same way as you pay taxeszero choice
How in the fuck is this putting Jews on a pedestal lol he is basically saying Jews are co-equal with Greek PlatonistsYou guys are fucking morons honestly. Just hang it up and live in ignorance at this point.
>>543420158none taken the Roman elite turned extremely predatory and reckless first on their own, destroying the freemen of Italy, then once they inherited Hellenistic fiefdoms created yet another oriental style mass empire which ultimately spelled their own doom anyway as Italic old money/prestige families lost control to orientaloid new menelite degeneration seems like an unsurmountable problem
>>543420345It’s probably the destiny of all peoples. I wonder if the Italics and Hellenes ever decried their replacement like we do.
>>543417766It was chthonic into ouranic concepts, the older chthonic deities of the Stone Age, up until early Bronze Age (Gaia, Demetra, Rea etc) were associated with life, death, rebirth, seasons, or earthly and natural cycles generally speaking, which are rather chaotic in nature and not under our control. This left people feeling at the mercy of said chaotic nature, thus started introducing more gods into their pantheon that were now associated with order, light, the sky, knowledge, law, state power, heroic deeds, things that gave them a grip over their fate. However they ultimately hit a peak, they might have transcended to a higher state of earthly living, but couldn't bridge the gap between mankind and God, they knew the world well but not the heavens. Ultimately and after lots of prayers, God came to us and you know the rest.
>>543418219One true kike
>>543418363One true Yid
>>543420446there's scant traces of it given that we have mostly only access to a highly selected fraction of copied texts, it's not in your face because they were never asked for the most part
>>543419911I never understand how a less uniformed Persia resisted better to kikestiniaty than Roma. I mean, kikestianity triumphs where there is no roots nor ethos, Persia didn't too much to Aryanized its subjects but Roma invested a lot into make them Romans and yet, kikestiniaty triumphed in the more organized one.
>>543420512it's kinda clownishly hilarious that the peak of Hellenic metaphysics and reflections that go back to the presocratics was so easily coopted by that worthless semitic gypsy race and 2000+ years later they still try to convince themselves that yup, the One God/Monad/Unity Greeks had spent centuries pondering upon and developing a complex metaphysics about....was always that god those levantine gypsies were worshiping!totally not scammed btw please don't laugh
>>543420818They reorganised into Koina which was the emergent political model following the death of Alexander and the fall of the city-state model, it was pretty much a tribe-based federal model that maintained their identity after they had dispersed, you had Koinon of Athenians, Koinon of Aetolians, Koinon of Cypriots and so on. And this proved to be the most resilient political system of the late Greek world as it resisted being absorbed by the emergent imperial models well into the Roman Empire.
>>543418712native europeans worshiped a host of heaven which turned out to be fallen evil spirits.>>543418935greek philosopher and the people in general had to delve into philosophy to understand why man existed and what his purpose on earth was.when the christian faith spread these questions that philosophy was unable to answer got answered by the gospel.thats why greek and europeans in general adopted the christian faith.
>>543417766Jews QUIT worshiping god around 1000BCThey said forget the god of your parentsForget the God before the floodForget the Arab god yahweh Me and my house are following lord Satan.
>>543422056>native europeans worshiped a host of heaven which turned out to be fallen evil spirits.
>>543423158Some god Odin turned out to behe got eaten by a dog. The end. kek
>>543420005With the Kike prime, they did a lot of great genocides
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>>543423277Rabbi jeshua got himself nailed to a cross because he was playing semantics
>>543423158by their fruits you will know them.
>>543423430>[Exo 34:14 KJV] – 14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name [is] Jealous, [is] a jealous God:>[Deu 4:24 KJV] – 24 For the LORD thy God [is] a consuming fire, [even] a jealous God.>[Nah 1:2 KJV] – 2 God [is] jealous, and the LORD revengeth; the LORD revengeth, and [is] furious; the LORD will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth [wrath] for his enemies.
>>543417766Greco Romans did not worship anthropomormphic deities, the gods were so much more than some person deity, and many believe in the One above all. christians are retarded and have completely dishonest assessments of other religions.
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>>543423843>some dude once said some dumb shitwow, you totally convinced me now
>>543423732By anthropomorphic it means man and his ambitions was the measure, the gods, or divine standards in general, were considered something unreachable. >and many believe in the One above allThose were the philosophers, there were three major theological schools, the regular pantheism, mystery schools and philosophical monism.
>>543417766This is a jewish larp. If you are Catholic speak to your priest at a TLM they will set you straight about the perfidy of the jew. Stop this silly bullshit
>>543423843>>543423843Extraordianry claims require extraoridnary proof, i dont think a sand book that is millenials old can be interpreted as the standard for not requiering extraordinary proof.The quintessential thing here is what is extra ordinarly or not normal.Lets say you are an agnostic in the medival times, well you would require extraoridnary proof or receipts but you only need to do that because their hole "cathedral of truth" is build on shit but it still stands.
>>543417766If Jews (the actual, true Jews) are put on a pedestal, it is only because our Father worked through them to realize the plan for salvation. He has made promises to these people, which he will fulfill because He is faithful--but, this simply means that the Gentiles will share in this inheritance. There are many Jews who are trapped under the so-called rabbinical law, whose father art the Devil. Christians should show respect and sympathy to the Jews, as one would have respect and sympathy for their ancestors who went through difficult times. But just because they are Jews doesn't mean that they are excluded from salvation without Christ, or grace without repentance.
>>543424293But lets say what did the bible proof?Nothing, what does science proof? At least something.So that would be the standard.
>>543423945>Can't count to threeHello mehmet. One kebab please
>>543417766>I just kind of wanted to address thisthe talmud was written between the years 200 and 600 AD. the kabbalah was written between 600 and 1200 AD
>>543417766>put Jews on a pedestalwho do you think expelled them over 100 times
>>543417766>dismissed European culturesome of the pagan gods literally are trannies- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermaphroditusand their "priests" were trannies too- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galliwhich led to even their emperors having tranny "wives"- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sporus
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>>543420172>desert religiongod created a garden at the time of creation, not a desert.and if the religion appealed to middle eastern sensibilities, how come they reject it, while europeans embrace it
>>543420489>"“But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea."- Matthew 18:6
>>543424662It is rather preemtive like vengance.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhv_yFMuwxs
>>543424585Not christcucks lol
>>543424618>>543424662>>543424688Welcome back Tsani
>>543417766In modern times, christians worship Israel.
>>543425458kek
>>543425405an iq of 3 lmao
>>543422056>delve into philosophy to understand why man existed and what his purpose on earth was. When the christian faith spread these questions that philosophy was unable to answer got answered by the gospel. Thats why greek and europeans in general adopted the christian faith.This is such a false premise, since many pagan philosophers and theologians already answered it in better ways than the kikestians ever did. Also, you are forgetting all the kikestian sect vs sect debates and (many times violent) fights through this 2 millennia, that still are happening, about this questions.
>>543426448>since many pagan philosophers and theologians already answered it in better ways>you are forgetting all the kikestian sect vs sect debates and (many times violent) fights through this 2 millennia, that still are happening, about this questionsbecause many false teachers and doctrines use the gospel for their own goals and lead people astray just like Jesus said it would happen.
>>543425563>In modern times, christians worship Israel.The most anti-semetic people on Earth are orthodox Christians, the original Church. You can walk up to anyone on the street in Greece, Russia, Serbia, Romania, etc and let out your craziest anti-kike thoughts and they will likely agree with you.American satanic-churches are not real, I drive past "churches" that tore down their cross and raised up the rainbow gay flag in it's place, those are the "churches" you are talking about, the ones with gay flags and female "preachers"
>>543420446the greeks had tranny prostitute cults parading boys through the streets to show off their fresh bloody testicles right before the collapse.
>>543424719my dude, how many times does it have to be brought to your attention that verse is NOT talking about literal childrenthis is agreed upon doctrine and not even remotely up for debate
>>543422246>the lordthe hebrew says yahweh>the godsthe hebrew says elohim, mortal beings assigned to rule humanity by the elyon of whom yahweh was a member
>>543426609Funny how Jesus can accuse others of being "false prophets" but when he is the one accused, you kikestians go mad about it.And yet, Jesus did not answer any question about why we still here, he didn't even try to become a philosopher.
>>543426621>The most anti-semetic people on Earth are orthodox Christians, the original Church. You can walk up to anyone on the street in Greece, Russia, Serbia, Romania, etc and let out your craziest anti-kike thoughts and they will likely agree with you.And yet, those same christians hate the Gods of Alexander the Great, 'Son of Zeus' and the "Messiah (Christ)" according to the High Priest Jaddus.
>>543427150Jesus Christ is God and he told us outright why we are still here for the Kingdom of God is at hand and we are to enter into it.
>>543426621I...I kneel my people have fallen
>>543417766>I was raised Catholicthat explains the retarded post. forsaking religion of ancestors to worship is a desert daddy is the cuckery of highest order y
>>543427275>Jesus is GodNo, he isn't, he is a dead jew.>he told usNo, he didn't, you read a fanfic written by schizo jews about a fellow jew doing magic tricks (((miracles))).
>>543417766>larpaganAll religion is "larping", and that's perfectly fine. This notion that anyone who feels called to worship older Gods is somehow faking it, but those who feel called to worship the newer religions are being authentic, is all quite ridiculous and shamelessly biased. Anyone who has a soul on this Earth is desperately trying to find truth.
>>543427364shut the fuck up you shit-eating monkey, you lived in trees up until a century ago and you should have been left therePagan anti-christ filth
>>543426621>Alexander the Great>GreekAnon...
>>543427381Jesus is very much alive in heaven. repent.
>>543427613The peak of Greek civilization was the century post-Alexander death, that is the birth of Western civilization as we know it, things like Greeks building the library of Alexandria and University system happened at this time. Then the barbaric Romans invaded and started a 150 year War against the noble Greeks, Romans set the world back 2,000 years. Greeks were on the verge of steam engine tech when barbarian Romans attacked
>>543427510>retarded homeschooled catatonic muttcalm down fatty dont have a heart attack
>>543427748HOW DARE YOU FUCK, I AM BRAHMINYou fucking benchud, i fuck you fucking fuck, you no fuck me, who fuck you are fuck, i fuck you sister madarchod
>>543427748Silence, subhuman.
>>543427140I should clarify this.Elohim were advanced mortals with military, engineering and medical tech.They were assigned to manage and rule certain regions and tribes of people.Think of them as sort of local lords serving a king or emperor.yahweh got the shit end of the stick as he only got a small tribe in the back end of nowhere, so he used them as tools to grow and amass personal capital.The old testament does not deal with spiritual beings it is a material history of the times, some of it copied from prior texts.These elohim had their equivalents in other cultures see the norse, the greeks, the peruvians or countless other cultures.It is an insult to take these drug addict beings who warred and squabbled amongst themselves using humans as pawns and try to equate them with the metaphysical monad.
>>543427627>t. k(ike)rautNo, you move to Israel. Leave us (europeans / atheists) alone.
So how do Christians justify worshiping a foreign religion anyway? Not only a foreign religion with direct ties in it's texts to other foreign religions that were actively hostile to your ancestors (and still are) but also a foreign religion that stole your ancestor's festivals, holy dates and celebrations even your holy figures and if that weren't enough then went on to further pervert them into mockeries of themselves used for profit and exploitation?I'm not saying you need to go back to older religions, but to accept Christianity is to bow down to a genuine rite of humiliation and servitude.
