>>543434820what's wrong with gnosticism?
>>543434820what's a demiurgewhat's a gnosis
>>543434893Refuted by the early Church Fathers 100%. Debunked and fact checked.
>>543434820Jews are panicking because Christ is returning and they aren't ready.They'll do anything they can think of to lead you away from Christ.
>>543434945>Refuted by the early Church Fathers 100%. Debunked and fact checked.Yet they can't debunk this kek
>>543434820>>543434893Christfags are taught to hate everything that isn't bowing down and kissing the jews ass.
>>543434979>They'll do anything they can think of to lead you away from Christ.How come they're observably doing the opposite of that then?
>>543434820Because gnosticism is a death cult spread by trannies and glowniggers to encourage depopulation
>i need christianity to be more politically useful!why?
>>543434820>>543434945Why do you kikes hate gnosticism so much? Are you mad because it is a type of Christianity that goes against (((your))) Judeao-Christian values?
>>543434893Any religion that doesn't center around raping kids is horseshit
>>543434820Post nose
>>543435093Because it forces them to acknowledge the fact that no one is coming to save their sorry asses and that they have to do it themselves
>>543435093>>543435135Kikes love gnosticism. All the modern fags pushing it are kikes. Trying to flip the script?
>>543434893>>543435093Gnosticism frames the-powers-that-be as unkillable demigods (archons) and childbirth as inherently immoral (by perpetuating the cycle of death and rebirth). Its fundamentally framed soas to make any struggle or improvement as pointless. Its just a demoralization tactic run by bored self-pitying theater kids (trannies and glowniggers)
>>543435174>oh no! hard work to improve myself?!I swear that the "western world" is coded for a world stolen by kikes.
>>543434820Well when your homeland is barren fucking wasteland I think it effects your psychology a little bit. And yes, I know how beautiful the desert can be, I was born and raised in the southwest but not all deserts are that way. The Sonoran desert can be a beautifully magical place but the Negev desert is a merciless shithole and produces evil, vial monsters
>>543435216>Kikes love gnosticismDo you have a single fact to back this up Moshe?
>>543435216>They like it because... because... JUST BECAUSE THEY DO, OOOOOKAAAAAAAY?!?!?!kek, weak debate, kike
>>543435252why does that matter if heaven is the ultimate goal?
>>543435054Gnosticism is an Aryan cult spread by Gigachads and Pneumatics to assuage the suffering inflicted by mundus
>>543435318Yep.>>543435319You're the kike. Read the Dialog between Trypho the JEW and Justin Martyr. Kikes have been trying to push gnosticism for 1900+ years. In fact all modern gnostic arguments, are encapsulated in this ancient work.
>>543435252That is more nihilisticGnostics believe that there is more than the physical world. There is some that theorized that having children is bad, but that is a small sect.
>>543435216>Jews hate a decentralized belief system that promotes seeking knowledge instead of adhering to thousand year old dogmas and licking the boots of giant megachurches that funnel money to Jews and their alliesListen to yourself>>543435269This is a problem with a lot of religions, but mainly the 2 biggest ones(Islam and Christianity), it promotes being passive and relying on divine help and instead of being pro-active
>>543434820I don’t but I do know that modern Christianity is having an identity crisis and anything that brings one to a greater understanding of their existence is ok by me. I feel like Jesus would not have been a Deus Vult chud hellbent on bloodshed and vengeance.
>>543435414>proof>>I made it the fuck up!should I do the kike test on you, kike?
>>543434996Would Christ return if Hitler had won the war?
>>543435507>divine helpThat is what is weird to me. I thought there was a saying that God helps those that helps themselves. I thought that was a big indication for self-improvement
>>543434893Rejecting the World
>>543435619Hitler was the 2nd coming He denied him like Jesus Now his teachings are making another wave
Gnosticism is the white man's religion because it is the funniest.
>>543435584I'm not quite powerful enough to "make up" a 1900+ year old document that completely refutes Gnosticism. Justin Martyr wrote all about it.You probably can't even discuss Gnosticism in technical terms. Can you? What are the six elements higher beings can possess and the three categories? See you haven't read shit lel. You kikes are lazy.
>>543434911Gnosis is the greek word for knowledge. A gnostic wants true knowledge of divinity. This annoys faith based religicucks that demand you accept everything on faith. It also makes good souls lore. The demiurge is the name for whatever created this existence.
>>543435639>I thought there was a saying that God helps those that helps themselves. I thought that was a big indication for self-improvementThe Bible contradicts a lot of what contemporary Christians and preachers do and promote, but no one fucking reads the Bible, yes it INDEED does say that, but nu-Christians will just say a thousand Hail Marys instead of doing something substantial
>>543435847The tower of Babel story also never says god was angry at people for trying to reach the heavens, it could even be interpreted as fear as it says when united people could achieve anything. It has been interpreted for antignostic purposes before.
>>543435784Kek! That retard was defending the old testament god, even though many other Christians holy men are surprised at how the OT and NT were so different. You failed again, lying kike Type GodSay jews worship satanDenounce the talmudSay jews have no right to control Israel
>>543435804 the etymology of demiurge us interesting too, it makes something like "the worker of the people". So the demiurge is like the wageslave who stacks the shelves so they're prepared for the customers before they open the walmart.
>>543434820Gnosticism: trying to explain one unbelievable bullshit explanation with another unbelievable bullshit explanation that the first unbelievable bullshit explanation is an illusion.
>>543436077damn, I got raped and gaped by autocorrect
>>543435328>dude who cares if jews are raping our children and your homelands are being overrun with 3rd worlders>its pointless to fight just focus on the demiurge bro dont fight the jews See what I mean? Demoralization death cult. >>543435466Every religion believes that there is more than the physical world, but gnosticism in particular frames TPTB as unkillable archons that there's no point in fighting
>>543435328there is no heaven, it's a trickthis material world is all you get which is why maintaining it is importanta lot of christcucks fall into a similar trap where they just blame the devil instead of the demiurge and start ignoring problems because "god will do something about it next life, maybe"
>>543436077Demi means partial as a prefix in greek. A demigod is a partial god, i.e., like heracles before completing his labors and ascending to full godhood. Semi, relatededly, means half. A semi tractor/trailer was originally half tractor and half trailer. Thus, the demiurge would be a powerful entity, but only a half power to what it serves.
>>543435507>>Jews hate a decentralized belief system that promotes seeking knowledge instead of adhering to thousand year old dogmas and licking the boots of giant megachurches that funnel money to Jews and their alliesThis. Retarded OP completely BTFO
>>543436235So you are saying that no other religion has unkillable religious figures?
>>543436235No, the point of gnosticism is gaining knowledge to surpass them, because faith based cuckery is slavery to the existing power.
>>543434820>Every day alive in this beautiful world is a gift from G_d. Thank G_d for blessed another day full of opportunity.
>>543434820Gnosticism is anti-Judaism because it considers Yahweh to be a demon and not the true god.
>>543436375>religious figures Thats not what an archon is>>543436403>themBy 'them' you mean the unkillable demigods disguised as humans? You know you can just shoot them right
>>543436508By them I mean whatever power someone relying on faith to explain things thinks exists or is in control.
>>543434945>Refuted by the early Church Fathers 100%.Can you name any of these fathers and point out their work or did you make this up anon?
>>543436590They were the 'show me' sect and everyone else didn't like that. It's refuted the way they obtained confessions 600 years ago
>>543436508Kek! Now you are saying anchons aren't religious figures?
>>543435252Who put the snake in the garden
>>543436323no, good guess but that doesn't apply here, check this:>Etymology From Ancient Greek δημιουργός (dēmiourgós, “one who works for the people; a skilled workman, a handicraftsman”) (whence Latin dēmiūrgus, French dé ...the demi prefix actually comes from:>From Middle English demi (“half, half-sized, partial”), from Anglo-Norman demi (“half”), from Vulgar Latin *dimedius, from Latin dīmidius, from dis- (“apart; in two”) + medius (“middle”).not greek
>>543434995Why are you uneducated low-IQ people still distributing that pamphlet ? You've been told everytime that evil doesn't exist, it doesn't have ontology.EVIL EXISTS | NOGame over.
>>543434820>Ignores all the awfuls of Abrahamism (mainly Jews and mudslimes) and how Jewed our modern society is>Yes, its Jews pushing Gnosticism, just be a good little goy and don't question anything!Shalom, rabbi!
>>543435093Kabbalah is literally gnosticism you low-IQ swine
>>543434820Gnostics really are onto something with the concept of Hylics. Some people really do seem like robots running a script who amble around pointless, have no interests, use the same phrases every day. It felt like 25% of the population when I was a kid but now it feels like we're at least a 50% NPC ratio. People just pile on top of you and do their best to get in the way when you go out in public.
>>543436880>evil doesn't existThen we would have no need of or justice.
Yews love corrupting Christianity with heretical trash like gnostishitism
>>543434820
>>543436933>IT IS BECAUSE I SAID IT IS!!!I am not falling for your lies, kike>memeflag Looks like I can automatically give you the kike testType GodSay jews worship satanDenounce the talmudSay jews have no right to control Israel
>>543436880>Evil doesn't existHow can I square this with reality where evil clearly exists?
>>543436989You're just mad that gnostics don't confirm to (((your))) judeao-christian values
We are in hellWe are in hellWe are in hellAnd we need to escape
>>543436988How do you define existence.
>>543437108Simple. Research "privatio boni".
>>543436588Then why do you need gnosticism for that? >>543436739Irrelevant, if your religion allows the oligarchs to operate uncontested, its a bad religion >>543436664Are archons the leaders of gnosticism? Do they have congregation? Do they establish churches? Are they prophets?>noThen theyre not religious figures
>>543437139Escape to where? How do you know elsewhere is better than here? How do you know that there even is an elsewhere?
>>543434820what are the deities of gnosticism.yalda and archons. its basically whatever else religion but closer to the real thing.off course you have to use the grey matter.yalda is the spider and archons are probably jews.why are archons jews, these archones are connected to them via binah. this is the connection to yalda. behind yalda is hashem. 1 dimension higher.monad is hashem. this is basically the real thing but you have to understand it off course.
>>543437291This world is a veil, a powerful dream. Wake up.
Yeah, I took interest in gnosticism for a while. It was a curiosity. I think it works metaphorically in many ways.The idea that there's archons (effectively demons) who are gaining power (sustenance) from negative energies (pain, hatred, grief, anger) is metaphorically very accurate. But I think de-personifying them as these mysterious entities only helps the actual personification of evil that we see daily here on earth.It feels so much better to say they're lost souls being farmed for loosh by malevolent non-corporeal beings rather than just admitting they're little demons of their own sort.Also, God is good. God is not evil. The world is imperfect, yes, but it is not a prison planet to farm our negative energies. There is so much love and happiness here.It's too easy to be an edgy 'outsider' and to condemn the world because it hasn't brought YOU enough joy. It's easy to mock other people's happiness as the blissful retardation of fools who can never truly understand.I would argue THAT is the deception. Yes the world can be cruel and terrible. Be in the world, not of it. Find a higher joy through love with family and friends. Create things. Make your own world a bubble of happiness.And most of all help us kick out the primary demons attempting to stop you from doing that (jews).
>>543437064Jews have no right to exist. They only become human if they accept Christ. Fuck the talmud and fuck you too.
>>543437237Religious figure doesn't mean leader. Satan is a religious figure in Christianity, but he is a hated religious figure.
>>543437336Do it all
>>543437237>if your religion allows the oligarchs to operate uncontested, its a bad religionWhat if your religion(Christianity) supports said oligarchs? Is it good then?
we only have these 2 on earth. ishtar/yalda and hashem.sophia is binah.ONLY THESE 2 this is why jews LORD OVER YOU.ONLY THESE 2.
this is the reason.
>>543437328Nigger dont give me fuckin platitudes answer the question
>>543437414Does Christianity claim that the oligarchs are unkillable demigods?
>>543437516The illusion feels real to you. In your dreams, you can touch the other side.
>>543434820>pretty colors so everything is oklol it would be pretty fucking obvious that we’re in hell if it actually looked like a 5 year old’s idea of hell, right?
>>543434820Because they are evil and worship satan, they want to degrade all life into sludge.
>>543437619So you've got nothing then. As I said, a death cult spread by trannies and glowniggers to encourage depopulation.
>>543436316The material world isn't even a percent of what is true.
>>543437619I've learn to just let go of possessions, family and responsibilities; but live life as you would normally.Even though we are living in something like a dream, we should carry out our day normally. Before enlightenment, chop wood and carry water. After enlightenment, chop wood and carry water.Hold on loosely, but don't let go
>>543437138lol gnostishitism is literally retards being mad at God because Earth isn't Heaven
>>543437717Why did you stop answering? Did you realize you were wrong the entire time? >>543437347
>>543435252Idk to me it sounds like its calling to annihilate these "archons" by any means necessary lest your children be enslaved by them bc youre too much of a bitch
>>543437553Answer my question first
>>543437811>being madNope, that is wrongIt is knowing that the god of the physical realm is flawed and that there is more to life then just the physical plane.
They need to pull people back to Christianity somehow
>>543435252No, the goal is to defeat the demiurge
>>543437909>whaaaaa whaaaaaaaaaa Earf isn't perfect whaaaaa whaaaa God is eeeeevil whaaaa whaaaaYour "gnosis" is whiney made up bullshit
>>543434820because their talmudic kabbalah religion is gnosticism.
>>543434893>you can be like God on your own effort without Godfirst lie of the garden
>>543435804do you think wisdom, understanding and knowledge is not part of the christian faith?God gives you more wisdom and insight than man alone could ever manage to discover.
>>543438283>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO>FOLLOW JUDEAO-CHRISTIANITY LIKE A GOOD GOOOOOOOOOOOOOYkek, no thanks, rebbe
>>543435093>Judeao-Christian valuesgnosticism is inherently jewish
>>543435318kabbalah is gnoticism in its purest form.
>>543438400>IT IS BECAUSE I SAID IT IS!Weak claims, kike. Do you have any comparisons with that jewery?
>>543434820it's introducing irrationality or magical thinking, which can justify any transgressionit all comes out of neo-platonism, the rejection of Aristotelian logicneo platonic christianity is gnosticismneo platonic talmud is kaballahit's basically all satanism in some form
>>543436989>>543436590The Church's beef with gnostisim is simple and clear:https://www.catholic.com/qa/whats-gnosticismI'm not here to support or attack the Church's position. People can make up their own minds. I'm just here to point out another heresy that often gets pushed in these threads. The Palegean heresy, picrel. Because Judaism is optimistic, as Christianity degenerates is becomes closer and closer to crude Judaism. Rationalism stands opposed to both faith and gnosis. There is also the contact with modernism. The four presuppositions of modernism are:>Man's aim in life is happiness>Man is naturally good>History develops in endless progress>Everything is matterThe Church rejects all four of these. Again, not a defense of Saul, just a warning: beware the Judaeo-Masonic pincer attack.
>>543438288>>543438324>>543438324>>543438400>>543438445Learn how to reply in one post and stop spamming, newfag kike
>>543437773Who thr fuck believes in this trade. Fucking pathetic waste of life slave philosophy
>>543438445Denounce the talmud
>>543438388>imma follow jewdeo-gnosticismgood goy
>>543437064ffs then look fucking into it.https://rumble.com/v65goaa-kabbalah-the-religion-of-the-serpent-full-documentary-benbornagain.html?e9s=src_v1_cbl%2Csrc_v1_upp_f
>>543438543fuck off nigger, what you wanna do about it?
>>543438552I denounce the Talmud.I denounce the Mishna.I denounce the Kabbalah.I denounce judaism as satanic.
>>543438546>whaaaaa whaaaaaa whaaaaaaaCry harder, kike>>543438557>n-no y-y-you!Kek!>>543438595Lurk moar, newfag
>>543438656>oh no! I've been found out!>reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeKek!
>>543438715>>543438751>22 fucking posts by this kike nigger faggot
>>543437816Because I'm at work lmao"Religious figures" in a colloquial context almost universally means a living leader of a religion, like the Dalai Lama or Pope. Regardless, do you disagree that gnosticism frames oligarchs as unkillable demigods? >>543438187Same question as above>>543437865Only problem is that theyre not fucking archons, theyre just people, if you shoot them they die. Putting them on a pedestal only serves their interests. Framing their position as inherently spiritual is subversive kikery.
>>543437026This, I was searching for this image
>>543438715lol
>>543438811>9pbtid in 5 minutes
Guys I have a telepathic connection to giga jew™. Ask me one spiritual question and I'll answer.
>>543438822No, you responded to others. Are you are wrong with your semantics as well. I doubt you know what colloquial means.
>>54343887710 minutes
>>543438935Does gnosticism frames oligarchs as unkillable demigods? Yes or no
>>5434389775Now 10 since you waited so long
>>543439004>changes goal post because they failed the semantics Are you a kike?
Im a jew I believe Christ is the Son of God, and the prophecied Messiah who was crucified and rose from the dead on the third day. Bereshit haya ha Memra, v’ha’Memra im’Elohim, v’ha’Memra haya Elohim. Ki hinei, ha’Memra shekhinate l’Tzion b’bosur.Just confused on whether to pursue baptism in the Catholic or Orthodox church. My girlfriend is Catholic, but Orthodox church seems like it was what the jewish apostles had set up originally before Nicea.
>>543439041>21:09:27 to 21:19:43 is 5 minutesnigger cant even math, stay mad.
>>543439107>uses last post that he waited long forKek!
>>543438510>muh heresyRetard, have you even read the Gospel of Thomas?
>>543439149meds, schizo
>>543439207>STOP PROVING THAT I AM AN IDIOTkek!
Can a gnostitard clarify, after I buy into gnostiderpism how long until I escape the prison earf?
>>543434820Because it makes you think that their god (Yahweh) still is the creator and has power over you and that Jesus is the answer.
>>543436479Anyone says life is good is just kidding themselves. You don't have to be depressed all the time but our overall situation is not really good. It's actually pretty fucking horrific.
>>543439289two more weeks, give or take
>>543434911mental illness. If they believed their shit they'd kill themselves.
>>543434820Believe it or not, but there is not a single verse in the entire Bible that specifically calls the Jews or the Tribe of Judah, God’s chosen people. This misconception comes from the fact that the Jews of today have declared themselves to be Israel and not the House of Judah, as the Scriptures rightfully call them.https://web.archive.org/web/20220526080336/https://gottmituns.com/what-is-a-jew/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ESNI-FvFyQ
>>543439183I wasn't talking to you.
>>543439080Does gnosticism frame oligarchs as unkillable demigods? Yes or no
>>543439254bitch you cant even do basic math.
>>543434945"CALL NO MAN FATHER"
>>543438699> I denounce judaism as satanic> I denounce judaism> satanic Hmm
>>543439435The tribe of Levi, Benjamin and Judha make up all jews today. They are also the most evil tribes and were constantly being killed by Israel.
>>543439338Yea. Really, if you can't accept the givens of the world, you're delusional. Probably sheltered, privileged and weak. Even the pagan Greeks understood the importance of tragedy.
>>543434820Because it enables their mystical kabbalah tranny prophecies
>>543439541YesThey believe in reincarnation and returning to The Source >>543439554Bitch doesn't even know that time is linear
>>543439345Are you sure because gnostidopes have been going on about how gnostitardism frees you from the prison planet, yet they are still here...
But of course in gnosticism Jewsus is still the answer!
>>543439668Thus, gnosticisim serves the oligarchs
>>543439778How did you make that connection, captain autismo?
>>543439473I dont care, who gives a fuck about the Church when there are legit gnostic texts like the Gospel of Thomas that still continue to be disregarded by the church because it doesn't suit their narrative and religious dogma
>>543434820theyre scared of Christ
>>543439845>legitThose texts are satanic forgeries made up by yews
>>543439812>how does framing oligarchs as unkillable demigods help them Well anon it makes all efforts to oppose them look inherently fruitless and long term victory as fundamentally impossible
>>543439975Gnostics believe Christ is our savior that shows us how to escape the demiurge and discover our true potential
>>543439812>Reject fighting for the World>Just retire yourselves and try to escape realityI wonder why? Maybe it is because acting like an ostrich changes nothing
>>543439975Fake
>>543440071So all gnostic believers are oligarchs since we are all the same? And how does this oppose long term victory?
>>543440077What are you still doing here why haven't you escaped is your gnosis meter still too low?
>>543440128Who said to act like an ostrich? As I said, chop wood and carry water
>>543439845The book of mormon is a "legit" mormon text.Should the church accept it because it is such?
>>543434820Reminder that not only do gnostics have the jewish farthuffing chosen ones bullshit going on with their hylics and pneumatics but theres also some bastardized aspects of jeet religion with the end goal and salvation being more akin to something like breaking free of the dharmic cycle, only that's been twisted to be achieved through knowledge. You see, in their interpretation, its particularly greater knowledge of good and evil that you must understand to achive gnosis as as such there are sects that knowingly commit evil acts ostensibly for the sake of "knowledge". Gnosticim and luciferianism are inexorably intertwined. As you head down that rabbit hole you'll find in persuit of that knowledge they keep delving deeper into the occult and things get increasingly insane and degenerate. Hermetic order of the golden dawn, theurgy, jewish kabalah, left hand path tying back into that intentional evil thing, and all that jazz. That whole "the god of this world is not truly god but the malavolent demiurge yaldabaoth" sort of thing is part of the satanist pipeline ending in a total inversion where god is the devil, the serpent in the garden was benevolent helping mankind granting them knowledge and freedom, doing evil is part of the path to salvation, and christ is lucifer. All the religious D&C you see here, paganism, atheism, gnosticism, they use all of them as blunt instruments to one end and that is turning people from god and towards the worship of evil. Even facism is something they try to co-op. These people aren't here arguing in earnest for the merit that might be found in any of those things but to pervert and twist them to their ends using them only as a tool for manipulation to get you on their pipeline. Here's a little tip, if you want to steer clear of O9A child abuse satanic type shit remember that anyone around here who's saying stuff in regards to religion and spirituality that looks like it would be at home on /x/ is not your friend.
>>543440229Why are you still here and so mad? Are you upset that I've disproved you so much? Did I give you the kike test and you deflected or have I not given it to you yet?
>>543440212Gnostics are useful idiots for oligarchs. Thats why it appeals to glowniggers and trannies, who are already useful idiots for oligarchs
>>543440292tldr but can tell that you need meds after skimming for a second
>>543435252>ugly retard with no kids hates the idea of child birth being evilEveryteim. Meanwhile you satanic faggots love molesting, traumatizing and recruiting children.. interesting...
>>543434945archon animated hylic hands typed this
>>543439975dont think they are scared of a retarded brown jew
>>543440361How is it useful? You are just making claims without evidence. Gnostics believe in Jesus but don't worship the kike god (satan)
>>543440324Why can't you answer a question why hasn't your gnosis lifted you out of the prison planet, you pretentious tard
>>543439845erYea. I know what point you wanted to make and I was trying to be diplomatic with those other two anons, who I assumed were Church goers since they were talking about heresy and Church Fathers, which you rudely ridiculed. I also suspected that given your rudeness you'd arrogantly spell it out no matter what I said. So thanks.
>>543440077and yet you reject Christ rejecting the gospel.
>>543439687Only the tards are still here, the ones who found the knowledge are gone, trust.
>>543440534>WHY WON'T YOU ANSWER MY AD HOMINEM?!?!?!Kek! Stay mad, kike.And killing yourself traps you more, retard.Type GodSay jews worship satanDenounce the talmud Say jews shouldn't control Israel >>543440548Who said I reject the NT?
>>543440548Christ was a simp for John the Baptist until he got killed and Jesus usurped the movement.
>>543440538>which you rudely ridiculed. I also suspected that given your rudeness you'd arrogantly spell it out no matter what I saidYou're right, I apologize.
>>543440396>deflection and projectionGnosticism frames childbirth as immoral, which is why it is used by trannies and glowniggers to encourage depopulation>>543440532>how is it useful for members of the general public to spread demoralization amongst themselves >how is it useful to be put on a pedestal>what benefit is there in being viewed as an unkillable demigod by your enemies Anon youre acting very hylic right now I need you to get your shit together
>>543440730>Who said I reject the NT?because you lack the fruit that the NT is to bring forth.>>543440790other way round.
>>543440906Nah, John baptised Jesus, not the other way around. Jesus followed John. Only later did Jesus' followers made up the stuff about John saying he's not worthy.
>>543434820They rotate different distractions so people forget that it's about faith, repentance and doing your best to live a Holy life.Its has never been about "secret knowledge"
>>543440903>ad hominem Not my fault that you are spiraling . Actually, maybe it is since I've call you out and your jewery >>543440906Kek! What part? Pretty sure there was a fruit tree that Jesus said was useless because it didn't grow any fruit.
If Gnosticism is so bad then why is it literally the only early century cult that affirms the basic human dread that we all experience?
>>543440790It was apparent to every witness He was the Christ after John prostrated before him and then baptized him, and the Ruach HaQodesh visibly dwelled on Him, and a Bat Kol said "You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am pleased."
>>543441052>deliberately misunderstands thus making discourse impossible Typical
>>543440903>Gnosticism frames childbirth as immoralIt is though.
>>543441111Digits confirms
>>543435216jews will try to inb4 everything and pied piper anyone dumb enough to listen to a jew into a pointless dead end. they literally inb4 hamas lol throwing checks at any arab that would cash them, fucking kikes and their stupid games.
>>543441111Didn't know Batman was there
>>543441114>mad because I won't pretend that his psychobabbling makes senseEvery single time
>>543441131>no dude dont have children just import a billion pajeets its fine haha Another useful idiot for the oligarchs. Notice how its only white people that get this messaging.
>oh you think the trinity is convoluted? have another god bro
>>543441180Youre deliberately pretending putting the oligarchs on a pedestal doesnt benefit them
>>543441131>>543440903>Gnosticism frames childbirth as immoralThat’s not an essential “framing” principle though. It’s merely derived.
>>543434996Healthcare fags will genocide in cahoots with cops in other words
>>543440822I won't speak for those other two anons, but no offense to me. "I don't care", was a rude response from me, so I apologize as well. Have a rare pepe (you have permission to save it).
>>543441268When did I put oligarchs on a pedestal, kike? Because of reincarnation and returning to The Source? We all do that, retard. Which is why I asked if you meant all Gnostics are oligarchs, which you deflected.Weak pilpul, kike
>>543439687This is how a fag with a badge or medical diploma twists the use of freedom. Make note everyone of the absolute insanity and ask self why they are still here and not killed en masse
>>543441243The Trinity is not convoluted if you read the Targumim. It is explicit that God interacts with the world through His Memra (Word). The Word walked in the Garden of Eden, the Word ate with Abraham, the Word rained fire from Heaven from the Lord on Sodom, Jacob made a Covenant with the Word, Moses ascended the mountain to receive the Tablets from the Word, etc. The Ruach HaQodesh is present throughout the entire Torah. These are all jewish concepts that rabbinic jews like Nicodemus were familiar with. Judaism was innoculated against all of this when the roman period continued, and later rabbis like Rashi and Maimonides introduced explicit anti-christian polemics. Maimonides’ thirteen principles were written at swordpoint in the caliphate, which is what mainstream judaism became. Western christians especially protestants are absolutely horrible at evangelizing to jews, and I would include catholics as well but that doesn’t apply to the clergy who know all of this. It seems like eastern orthodox understand all that by default.
>>543441671Twist use of because I have freedom to and responds like this as if it's a delusion and perfectly ok then to bill medical insurance because well technically hear about in courts and shit and it's so obnoxious they should be removed already permanently. No technically bullshit just leave now and place into cement shoes so no one has to watch and see if such evil thing is not a problem anymore because whole lot more of this fucking shit where came from and why whole world had to stop because claims from retards like this
>>543441035sure thing buddy, I bet you have a Phd on that subject.>>543441052>Pretty sure there was a fruit tree that Jesus said was useless because it didn't grow any fruit.yep, that would be you according to your conduct in this thread.
>>543441981>deflects that the tree is about Judaism >says it is about gnostics Kek! I caught you, kike! Time for your kike test!Type GodSay jews worship satanDenounce the talmudSay jews have no right to control Israel
>>543434820Gnosticism is an attempt to make Christianity make sense.>Satan was cast out of heaven and created his own domain>Satan is the demiurge who created the material realm>This is basically hell with glimpses of heaven recognised in the souls of man>Samsara is eternal suffering so you don't get used to the same exact torment for milennia>Escaping the demiurge means shedding your materialness completely and returning to source/God/heaven/the machinations of metaphysics>Jesus' descent into Hell for 3 days refers to the infinite nature of time and space, like a fractal movement through the material dimension on repeat forever>His example is how you escape the demiurge It's about as jewish as Christianity itself, but the jews (the ultimate materialists and satan worshippers) hate Christ because he helped humanity escape the demiurge by letting go of their guilt, shame and fear. Make of that what you will.
>>543434893Jews worship the demiurge and revel in our suffering so they want you to reject it despite the oldest known religion (Zoroastrianism) confirming it
>>543441981I win that bet. You can send the proceeds to my finance clerk.
>>543442106already did here >>543438699>>543442432k, send me the paypal link.
>>543441473>all gnostics are oligarchsNot even close to what I was saying and you know it>when did I put them on pedestalsHere: >>543439668
>>543442821>thinks he completed the kike test Kek! You sure love deflecting, kike
>>543443156Are you retarded? You are saying oligarchs are special because the go through reincarnation and return to the source, but all gnostics do that. So you are either saying all gnostics are oligarchs or that our oligarchs aren't special.>inb4 more crying, deflection and being retarded
>Why are jews trying to bring back the only religious movement that specifically went against their own god
>>543435804I'll get to the point here.Kant was right, reason must make way for faith, if humanity is incapable of believing in itself then the second best option is total annihilation.
>>543443216thats why you are a gnostic, a kike in spirit, and not someone who believes the NT. filtered.
>>543443379Except that gnosticism doesn't offer a political solution >>543440252 that's all what can tell people to go live in the woods
>>543443345Gnostics say that oligarchs are archons, which are fundamentally different from other types of entities. Archons are unkillable demigods. Thus, gnosticism frames oligarchs as unkillable demigods. How is this hard to grasp
>>543434893Gnostics explicitly reject Yahweh, which is why it was suppressed in the first place. If the jews are trying to bring back anything, it's Christianity, because no other demographic supports zionism more unconditionally than christians.
>>543442821He doesn't have paypal. Though I can post a pic where X marks the treasure and you just put yours with it.
>>543434820Hey /pol/ want to know whether you're talking to a kike or not? Ask them about Jesus Christ.If they reject/hate Jesus Christ, they're a kike.If you reject/hate Jesus Christ, you're a kike.The greater the hatred of Christ, the more evil that person is (Trump, Netanyahu, Epstein, Clinton, etc.)There is no greater litmus test of a person's character than that person's attitude towards Christ Jesus.Every Christ hater is a kike. Kikes are those who hate & reject Christ.>so why does this matter?Jesus Christ is Truth & Love, kikes are filled with lies, fear & hate. This means that when we deal with kikes, we don't need to take them seriously at all because they don't even believe in Truth. There is legitimately no point in entertaining the delusions of a Christ-hating kike, just keep calling them out for being kikes.We don't accept delusions here, we only accept Truth (Jesus Christ). Your kike lies are gay as fuck and we don't give a shit, so stop spreading your Zionist talking points.Jesus Christ is King of kings. He is Yahweh the Son who Abraham had a personal relationship with.
>>543434820Kikes love gnosticism. One of their first attempts at subverting Christianity.
>>543434893Gnosticism is inherently jewish-coded. If you look at the ways many jews interact with God, its very clear they have an antagonistic relationship with Him. Think of all the insane methods they use to get around Sabbath restrictions, or how they bred a red heifer to force their prophecies to come true. The see God's will as an obstacle to their desires, and seek to gain greater skill and knowledge in over to overcome His will. While not 1:1 you can understand why gnostics and jews would be comfortable bedfellows. They have very similar goals/practices, and are fundamentally jaded, cynical people.
>>543443760Are you pilpulling my words?>>543443794Top kek! What are you talking about, schizo kike? Show where it says oligarchs are anchrons.>deflects the kike testHmmmm...........
>>543444669>As I said, chop wood and carry waterOk
>>543434820Only my desert religion is the correct religion. All others are complete bullshit. The storm god of my desert is the only real god. The rest of you are fucked! Too bad.
>>543444669Gnostics claim this on here all the time, wtf are you talking about
>>543434945>>543434979>>543435093Man whenever I see gnostic/christian/jewish myth stuff I always just think "hey thats a neat idea for a story", I constantly forget there are schizos who actually believe that shits real
>>543444721>doesn't know it's an enlightenment quoteOkay...>>543444970No they don't, kike. Now I know you are absolutely making shit up.Do the kike testType GodSay jews worship satanDenounce the talmudSay jews have no right to control Israel
>>543434820This is too much for your brown brain to grasp, but gnosticism just like mainstream christianity is a type of judaism. They're all more or less the same thing.
>>543445169>tips hatWhy do you think humans are the only sentient life?
>>543445220Yes they do, I started making these posts because swarms of gnostic nigger trannies kept pontificating about how fighting globohomo was pointless because the demiurge is in control and archons will forever be in charge of the planet. Which is drivel, of course- but they kept saying it until I realized gnosticism is a death cult spread by trannies and glowniggers to encourage depopulation GodJews worship satanI denounce the talmud Jews have no right to PalestineOh and most importantly Heil Hitler
>>543445220Stop talking in riddles then. What political alternative has gnosticism after rejecting the World?>>543445347If we aren't as if we were, every other intelligent lifeform is outside of the limits of causality and thus impossible to interact with
>>543445584Fake and gayWe are meant to live in this world like how we would before, chop wood and carry water. Gnostics believe in good vs evil. The good doesn't stand by and allow evil to continue
>>543445869Start using your brain then.How about continuing in the fight of good vs evil? Is that a simple enough philosophy for you to understand?
>>543445869Also, you fedora-explanation is retarded? Oh, are you too stupid to know what I am talking about so you think I am talking in riddles?
>>543445990The issue is that gnosticism thinks that the material world is an evil to be rejected.Politics happen in the material world, use your brain as you say and see the issue with it
>>543446067If you can't explain yourself is because you don't understand your own ideas
>>543445927Yet that is exactly what gnostics wind up doing; doing nothing against evil
>>543446113We think that is flawed and that the demiurge is evil (but I think it's more of a narcissist)We need to learn to hold on loosely but not let go. You completely let go when you die if you wish to return to the source.>>543446182Kek! Not my fault that you don't know a famous zen Buddhist quote. Now explain your own ideas on sentience...
>>543446440>BECAUSE I SAID SO!>NO YOU CAN'T ASK FOR EVIDENCE!
>>543446622You're mistaking gnosticism (the world is evil) with buddhism (the world is neutral)Gnosticism banished because it had no political view, buddhism remained because they understood the importance of protecting the dharma (te buddhist community, a political subject) through good rule because buddhism has the example of the bodhisattva remaining to illuminate others
>>543438388Chabad hates Christianity
>>543434911the most hilarious religion.according to the gnostics the world wasn't created knowingly by god but was a result of an accident in the perfectly functioning Heaven when some low level feminist roastie deity decided to procreate on her own, 'fuck men" and accidentally spawned a monstrosity, then hid him in horror behind a cloud but he decided that he was god and got access to the admin console and created his own fucked up world and we all suffer now.
>>543434995This is stupid. To create a world with free will but without evil, is not true free will. Look at the Omnipotence Paradox. Philosophers like Thomas Aquinas argue that omnipotence means doing everything that is logically possible. Creating a stone an omnipotent being cannot lift is a logical absurdity (like a square circle), so failing to do it is not a limit on power.
>>543446959You are retarded. I was using the quote to say how to live in the world. Are you being retarded on purpose, kike?>>543447205True and I hate Chabad
>>543434820I have beebn looking for this image for fucking years. Thanks d00d
>>543438508That makes sense
>>543434820I think people are just catching onto the fact that the jewish god is evil on their own and you are doing damage control because you're their slave
>>543434893It's essentially fan-fiction
>>543434979>Christ is returningany day now
>>543446440Now that's the most projection I have ever seen from an e-christian on here
>>543447589You're being retarded by not accepting what gnosticism is and why it disappeared
>>543446113>The issue is that gnosticism thinks that the material world is an evil to be rejectedAlso projection. Christians are Messianic jews who believe letting the world go to shit will being about Revelations. With each passing day it becomes more ad more obvious that christians are everything they claim to be against.
>>543447832>BELIEVE IN THE JUDEAO-CHRISTIAN VALUES, GOOOOOOOOOYmissed me with that gay shit, kike
>Why do those who serve the devil want to perpetuate a heresyHmmmmm
>>543447599Why? It’s retarded
>>543434893>just hate the world and everything in it, bro. Every single happy thing in your life is a lie and a trick designed by a fake god!Well, for starters it is the most depressing, miserable mindset ever.
>>543447899If you're talking about the schizos that live in your country that's what is called a judaizing heresy>>543447905Gnosticism is derivated from jewish neo-platonic thought
>>543448141No it's not, kikeGnostism existed 1200 years before the Kabbalah Lying kikeDo the kike test, kike
>>543434820Gnosticism is the jew's last attempt to keep the goyim within the Abrahamic jew-worship matrix.Buddhism is the way.
>>543448576So? Philo of Alexandria predates it
>>543435330>Just annihilate your race and be bad at war>Aryan >Chad
>>543448743>Buddhism is the wayThe Neoconfucians were right about you faggots. It's a shame they didn't put you to the sword.
>>543448877So how can gnostism be inspired by kabbalah if it is over 1000 years older. Fucking idiot. Do the kike test, retarded kike
>>543434996jesus was gnostic.
>>543434820Zoom in
>>543434820It's a two-tier belief system with a special space for the "chosen"
>>543449282It isn't. I've never claimed that in any of my post.Just check them again
>>543449671It is and you did claim it, kike. Don't break your legs by back peddling too hard, kike kikele kikelson
>>543435291>Negev desert is a merciless shithole and produces evil, vial monstersAdd brain damage inducing circumcision to that and you have a recipe for biblical proportions disaster.
>>543434820>why are jews trying to bring back Gnosticism >Christ’s actual freedom gospel>Tye one the Catholic Church had to violently and brutally purge through multiple crusades, wars and rounds of extreme censorship, book burnings and destruction of libraries >yes goy it’s the jews who don’t want you to discover Christ’s true Gospel of Freedom NGMI Stay enslaved, feeding globohomo jew cycles of destruction based on endless desire. Not my problem!
>>543434820Is it related with `Returning to Ancestral` general here? It's been going for a week I guess, suspicious desu
>>543435507>relying on divine help instead of being pro-activeWhy not both?I ask and by God's Grace and Mercy I recieveI seek and with God's help I findI knock and through the power of God it shall be opened.Teamwork! God is the Teacher I'm the pupil. It's really not that hard.
>>543449162>globohomo jew shows his true bloodthirsty violent colors It’s a shame what you evil freaks did to the free and beautiful peoples of Europe. Bloodshed, fire and war follow you and when the political costs get to be too much, you threw the future and lives of the youngest generations of your faithful to Saturn himself I don’t think you realize how unspeakably cringe and flaccid that looks to outsiders, not to mention evil. But it explains why you react violently
>>543449282Everything evil is just the same thing. Even on seperate continents they'll just converge into the same exact thing.Gnosticism makes you have less children and be worse at war, thus it is evil
>>543450528> Teamwork!Many of us soured on all of this precisely because we grew up in the faith and teamwork and love (along with opportunities and resources) were what we as men and ethnic Europeans in the faith were explicitly denied. Everything was always for anyone and everyone else first and the moment you asked some older dude in church about work opportunities one often got lol’d at and told to fuck off and find my ownI personally talked to theologians decades ago about how bad these anti-male, anti-western and anti-ethnic European narratives in the faith are. Want to know what they told me?>”ur bad ur evil and u’d have a great life if you don’t ask these questions and just stay busy”We got sold to hell by our own kind and faith leaders, which is the worst part. I’ve yet to hear any kind of justifications for why all of that happened or how they’ll be different. So far it seems they’re just doing the >lol it isn’t real Thing which is already what they did for decades while simultaneously preaching their man and White people hate
>>543449999Show the post where I did then or stfu
>>543449477>>543450395The belief system so strong you actually have to stitch an obviously fake book into the bible where Jesus sounds nothing like he does in the other gospels. The belief system so strong it's never won a war in history.
>>543437516>platitudesIt's literally Schopenhauer itself copied from Calderon de la Barcas La vida es sueno.Quite a modern concept - about half a milenia or so
>>543450553>Globohomo is when you say chinks should have killed other chinks for being gay You've never even read the Neoconfucians you faggot.
>>543434893jews dont like that goyim know about it, hence seethe threads like thisit may seem random to you, but it freaks their archon asses out something fierce
>>543434945Debunked by killing everyone they could find for believing in it. Gnostics didn’t believe the things the Righter than Righteous Christcucks are bleating about! The world is not evil, and Yaldabaoth is only ignorant and he and his Archons are redeemed. Christcuckery doesn’t like it when their “My God is better than your god!” claim is used against them! Gnosis if writing it’s were found, but their beliefs were frozen in time what le Orthodox Christianity was free to change with the times!
>>543450730No it's notWhere are your facts for either of those claims?>>543450852Are you pretending you didn't say it, kike >>543448141Dumb kikeGet BTFO again, kike
>>543450982>No it's notYes it is. All evil ideas are convergent. Let evil fester, let evil races have power, and you'll find all of them doing the exact same thing closer and closer not only in practice but in iconography.Everything in the world is patterns, pattern recognition is the most important thing in the world.>claimsYou talk like a jew.
>>543450982Where the fuck did you read Kabbalah disingenuous tard?Jewish neo-platonic thought was founded by Philo of Alexandria
>>543435318Its very similar in concept to the kabbala tikkun olam
>>543438324Bingo
>>543450955Nothing about Buddhism is gay or about being gay, faggot. It’s about suffering and the cessation of suffering.
>>543436235he's got the cookie-cutter memes and everything, folks
>>543451128>gnostics are evil because they allow evil to existWeak pilpul, kike. Gnostics fight for good and are the true believers in Jesus's message>asking for proof is kike behavior Kek! Not my fault you are unable to backup your claim, kike>>543451219>neoplatonic judaism isn't the kabbalah Kek! Thanks for proving that you are an idiot and have no idea what you are talking about.
>>543451219Really Kabbalah is just a rebranding of the black stone cult of a group of "Canaanites". Remembered as the cult of Baal, but this word is more a general term. Black stone worshipers. They're the same everywhere.
>>543451515You're beyond retarded and you should kys right now because you're wasting our precious oxygen, space and matter
>>543451515Kabbalah is neoplatonic judaism.But not all neoplatonic judaism is kabbalah.
>>543450981Yeah that’s all that happened. The extreme majority of crusades actually occurred in Europe to extinguish European ancestral religion ethnicities and to destroy the truth of the Freedom Gospel. We usually only hear about the Middle Eastern crusades because it’s been the meme thing for decades in the west now to only cast western men and our history as hopelessly evil. It wasn’t restricted to stuff like this For example, far more ethnic European slaves we’re taken by Muzzie shitskin empires like the Ottomans and Emirates of Grenada, and they had jews in those empires running the lending and monetary systems for all of that slavingIt went on for so long and was so bad the U.S. first foreign entanglement was actually BTFO those Muzzie slave kingdoms in Tripoli Anyway, even though far more Europeans were enslaved like that and far more brutally we never hear about it in our media, schools, or faith institutions Why? Why can Christianity only point out its own faithful as hopelessly irredeemable and up for grabs for any others who feed on us? It’s insane how bad it is
>>543451384The cessation of suffering is gay, which is why you faggots are so bad at war. A man's philosophy teaches him to seek meaning, to achieve meaning with his suffering. You are weak charlatans wishing that flowers could grow without the root, parasites who preach the lifestyle of an aesetic universally while needing "sinners" to protect you from being taught a lesson by nature.
>>543451515>Gnostics fight for goodName some of the battlefield engagements won by Gnostics.>backup your claimReddit jew.
>>543447583The truth is that on one hand, we have free will, but on the other, we don’t. It may seem counterintuitive but both things are true at the same time. Free will can only exist in a paradigm where there’s the recognition slavery can exist. Simultaneously, slavery can only exist in a paradigm where there’s freedom that exists somewhere, somehow. It’s the entire game bro. Always has been
>>543451615No he's on a divine quest, if he can convince even one white person having kids is actually "evil" he can die happy in the arms of the tranny rebis.
>>543451615>whaaaaaaa whaaaaaaa whaaaaaaaKek! Making you cry because I made you get BTFO so hard is hilarious!>>543451718Then which one is it based on?>>543451893>name a battlefield The fight where we support Jesus and his message Name a battlefield where you kikes caught for good.>NOOOOOOOOOOOO>YOU ARE THE JEW BECAUSE I CANT PROVE MYSELFcry moar, kike
>>543451242> Its very similar in concept to the kabbala tikkun olamTikkun Olam just means correction of the world. Of course than can have myriad interpretations but that’s exactly what Christ achieved through his death and earning forgiveness for our sins, correction of the world. Christ clearly utilized various aspects of Merkavah mysticism anyway, that’s what was being practiced by the Essenes and others hanging out in the desert back then. Think chariots and angels imagery mysticism, they used that Book of Enoch quite heavily as a how-to guide. Christ’s transfiguration is even reflected in Merkavah mysticism as a system, they called it a shining face transformation. Kabbalah didn’t exist until later and philosophically it’s a bit different than Merkavah mysticism. Gnostic Christianity predated Kabbalah by hundreds and hundreds of years
>>543451816> The cessation of suffering is gayWhat? You think people should just suffer eternally, especially men, until we’re needed for being sacrificed for people who hate us and don’t care about us or our stories? The Samurai were breathtakingly good and mostly virtuous warriors anon, and they were Buddhists. The illiterate Vietnamese farmers who BTFO globohomo jews in Vietnam and their Catholic buddies in the South Vietnamese government were Buddhists too
>>543434820I’m glad a few rocks and trees are enough to entertain your tiny mind OP
>>543451893> Name some of the battlefield engagements won by Gnostics.They didn’t go out and brutally rape, purge and crusade Christians of a different creed than them anon. I don’t know what to tell you. They aren’t bloodthirsty imperialists working on behalf of finance jews to erase Europeans. They suggested crazy ideas like living in peace and harmony and eschewing empire. Dang, which reminds me, isn’t that what the big deal is Christ’s actual day was? The Roman Empire and the impending obvious destruction? As in he was teaching people how to experience love and life even within the context of an evil empire. That’s what the actual people in crowds listening to Jesus would have cared about.
>>543447205Jews don't hate christians, they view them as semi-retarded property.
>>543454348>>543454348N E WEW>>543454348>>543454348
>>543454348>>543454348N E WEW>>543454348>>543454348yayh
>>543454388>>543454448Look at this kike running away when given the kike test but excited to start a new threadKek! What a kike!
>>543454551come join me ask your questions and receive the truthful and proper reply in the new thread!i have been studying the talmud so your actual questions are transparent to me no matter how you wrap them JEW
>>543454681To have you run away again, like the kike yoy are? Top kek, I always do the opposite of what you kikes say.
>>543454948Nah it bump locked, join me and all your new friends in the new thread! You know you can't resist...
>>543455025Do the kike test to prove you're not a kike, kike
>>543455066checked wanna compare penis photos? i'm not even circumcised
>>543455251>deflects from the kike test againThat's what I thought, kike
>>543455461You're cute this is fun. You're gonna do OK around here kiddo, just stick close to me, I'll show you the ropes.
>>543455677How about you admit that you're a kike or do the kike test, kike
>>543447451It was not an accident. Where were their armies? They were peaceful people who didn’t raise armies. They had no use for the hierarchy of the Church, no need for a clergy between them and the Divine, and no need to be “Saved”! The Church wants to be needed and they didn’t need them, they just needed to remember their divine nature, so no humiliation rituals, no symbolic death, no beggars, no yearning for martyrdom, nothing the Churches demanded from their servants! This was intolerable to the corpse-god folllowers.
>>543434820Because the devil knows his time is short
>>543455709You show me your uncircumcised penis, i'll show you mind. You demanded the test, there's no way I'm doing something you won't do first, what a waste of time. Can you uphold your own standards?
>>543455921Wat if he got cut as infant and then decided that circumcision is evil because the new covenant doesn't require it?plenty of people have come to that conclusion
>>543434820They've always been gnostic. Gnostics have been eating babies and drinking cum since the 2nd century.
>>543435093Gnosticism IS judeo-christianity (actual term, not the buzzword). It's a Christianity heavily infused in jewish cosmological mysticism. The normal Christianity is not judeo-christian by defintion.
>>543456458>Epiphanius claims that the Borborites were inspired by Sethianism and that elements of sexual sacramentalism formed an important role in their rituals. He asserts that the Borborites engaged in a version of the eucharist in which they would smear their hands with menstrual blood and semen and consume them as the blood and body of Christ respectively.[4] He also alleges that, whenever one of the women in their church was experiencing her monthly period, they would take her menstrual blood and everyone in the church would eat it as part of a sacred ritual.[9]>The Borborites were also said to extract fetuses from pregnant women and consume them, particularly if the women accidentally became pregnant during related sexual rituals.[10] Buckley notes that this implies treatment of an aborted foetus as "strayed semen", and would serve to prevent it from developing into another body "for the archons' clutches".
just trying to circle people back to abrahamism, so long as its the jewish god, they could care less. poos are fine too cuz of the kali yuga taking them off the board, staying out of jews way.
