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Number must go up
This is good, should be 12%. I've explained why before, you never answer though. I don't think you even know what this chart means. But it's great for the USA, bad for stock market kikes, and terrible for foreign faggots.
>>543445526>being mad there is more treasure in the treasury
Heck I went in for a haircut and shave at the local tonsorial and the other locals, the gun shop owner, the chainsaw repairman, and the cattle rancher, were in there and the barber said "Dang Trump for affordability and increasing bond rates!" And everybody in the shop was nodding. The gun shop owner then said "Trump swore he would pump my crypto bag, now they're going to regulate it!" as everybody clapped and murmurs of "orange man bad" spread throughout the room. Then the chainsaw repair man said, ripping into a beer (1 free with every haircut), that he didn't think Trump should have attacked the Pope of Iran. MMM hmmm, everybody nodded. Nobody was talking about football at all, just Iran, crypto being down, and the current ten year bond yields.
LINE GO UP FOREVER
>>543445526line go up is more gooder, idiot
>>543445661>The debt interest should be higher than the total government budgetSoon
>>543445661you never answered in the other thread where you tried to simplebrain your way though this
>>543445788I saw "I did that" stickers at 2 of my local gas stations which is a better indicator of what is about to happen to the migger movement than if your memestory suddenly became real.
>>543445788I get that this is satire but I only sense shame from Trump voters I know in real life. Like they know they fucked up and the look in their eyes is one of deep regret and pain. They are in the closet about being anti Trump just like their being faggots
>>543446285I answered fully, YOU never answered.Listen it's good. The only people who could be angry are stock market bubble kikes who will be left holding their bags, and foreign governments who will not be able to sell bonds.It's also necessary to kill the zombie companies. Lots of companies exist, which shouldn't, and got by for a long time on ZIRP. They have to be killed and chopped into pieces so the useful bits can be sorted out and the trash discarded. It's all very very simple. The line going up, in this case, is good. Very good. If you're not a jew or a foreign government.
>>543446520no, i responded that you'd have to be stupid to think that it's a worthy tradeoff to radically control the bond market in order to stamp out an equity bubble at the cost of massive real economic damage. You didn't respond at all, let alone "fully". You're a babby tier commenter, likely from /biz/
>>543446873ZIRP has to be compensated for. The hard money must follow the easy. Companies are wasting too much money, it's too easy to get. It's becoming worthless.High interest rates will cure this, and drive foreign buyers to our treasuries. An adjustment that's drastic has to be pursued, everybody's a little too locked in and comfy and risk-averse even though the big funds are invested in pillow fluffing firms etc.Also as the AI bubble continues to pop, having a safe place for people's money is a top priority. I think the idea of torturing the US population in various ways just to see what happens was always a bit jewish. Now we'll torture the countries and companies that fell for that and didn't concentrate on the fundamentals.You can't jew your way out of this. And it's not just AI, there's an everything bubble.
>>543445661This % means that obligations are traded with discount now, so they can be bought back by the government for a cheaper price. But doesn't that also mean that nobody wants US debt anymore and that the US can't export its inflation as before? It looks bad in the long term.
>>543445661Good for who, though? The whole USD economic system is a ponzi scheme and was never meant to be sustainable.
>>543445526Based
>>543447312Trump can just issue US Notes.
>>543446169They pay % at a fixed rate, which is given to obligations at the moment of release, no?
>>543445526That's a good thing though higher roi on bonds
Trump is intentionally collapsing the system so that it can be built by the likes of Peter Thiel and Sam Altman where the tech elite rule. Unironically based.
>>543445526test
Yawn, wake me up when its above 10%
>>543445526As if you think the retards here understand this any better than /biz/
>>543447117so you think the impacts of the bubble or the bubble popping are more costly than manipulating debt markets to essentially destroy the risk premium? again, you are stuck in meme world and haven't thought this through particularly well.
>>543447367That would create more inflation. The whole point of raising the rates is to slow down inflation. They want some inflation, but too much inflation and it turns into Zimbabwe or Venezuela.
>>543447677dramatically higher interest rates wouldn't cause inflation
Two more weeks until China Numba Wan!
>>543447573The sentiment here is the exact same as in /biz/, there is the exact same migger cope too.
>>543445526Line must go up. It was foretold in the prophesy.
>>543447370Yes but you have to rollover non-payed debt. So this won't result in debt payments increasing overnight, but it does point to eventual insolvency if rates continue to climb. It also has a ton of more immediate knockoff effects on lending rates in the broader economy.
>>543446356Counting just the losses on TrumpCoin is a huge underestimate. ALL the other shitcoins dumped as well when all the retards took their money out of them to go lose it all on TrumpCoin, there was no safe harbor in crypto that fateful day, and it's not coming back for a long time.
>>5434455265.236 was down .006, so, that.
how does this affect the average person (me on the right)
>>543445526Nobody cares troonGo spam /biz/ instead
>>543448190it's highly likely to result in unemployment and/or inflation, depening on government response.
>>543448190It's over (for you)
>>543447677US Notes would cure it instantly.>>543447606Nah we've blown past any sense in the markets. There are strange undercurrents, things they're not telling people Credit Suisse is still a mystery, for instance, how it died and how it was brought back to life, and why are things that are above the pay grade of people who use their own computers.Market has to become accustomed to competing against treasuries again. Free money is stopping, but the cost has to be expensive money. I'm even thinking deflation.It's been a pretty easy ride for the banks, the big funds, they've had far too much money and they got bored and started experimenting on society in unhealthy ways. If they're too busy and not quite as wealthy, we all benefit.
>>543448315that's an argument for keeping rates where they are. instead you are arguing that they should exceed the long-term S&P 500 performance. You also didn't answer my question (Again)
(you)its not because the last times this happened we didnt have literal trillions of debt, barest of minimum domestic industry, super stagnated wages, and entire generations of men stifled out of the workforcethe % keeps going up and wont be paid because its a default this time aroundnothing about the monopoly money is even salvageable across the board - stocks, bonds, repo, interest rates, cc debt, home loans and mortgages, etchistory is cyclical and upcoming is the greater depression and a whole lot of political violence
>>543448315Deflation would destroy the US. There wouldn’t be a country left to hold accountable, the rich would flee or attempt to everyone would pay off their debt to us and run away. Service economy with deflation is basically suicide.
>>543445526what this means for other imaginary wealth?
>>543448409Exactly, bonds should exceed the market average. The entire premise of the market is that we had ZIRP for so long that people HAD to flee to the casino to keep their worth.That was fun. Without the fun time we never would have had Juicero. Now it's time to turn the hourglass upside down again and crush all the remaining Juiceros. I'm looking for higher interest rates in particular, to destroy the market as "the place that the smart money is pretty safe because line goes up" and reinstall it as a casino for the wealthy, its original, and current covert purpose. They can hire smarties to quarterback their own stupid companies with their own stupid money for a change, instead of the working and retired people just trying to keep their heads above water.Yes it'll be a shame for everybody who's locked into the end of banking and gambling history, where it's all set up clean and always will be.
>>543448190complicated.the government may have some trouble refinancing itself and cut back services or increase taxes.but if it doesn't and print money instead it's inflation. and numerically maybe this will be a good financial investment then (high interest rate) for whoever still wants to invest in the USA but that by comparison makes any other investment less attractive and/or requires it to offer higher rates too. e.g. that may be your mortgage or a buisiness or private loan. or maybe your employer's loans.with everything it is not good. the sky high government debt is shit.
>>543448620there'd be no reason to invest in mature equities. it would be a shame for everyone who thinks self-imposed 30% unemployment might be a bad idea.
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>>543448513complicated. maybe some money will flee the usa OR enter it becuase the interest rates eventually are sky high and whoever is giving the loan also would take US agricultural products or w/e.the money that leaves may push other currencies up, or gold, or silver, or meme coins depending on what the fuck said money believes in.the money that enters obviously takes on risks for now. maybe they return with a good haul of food. IDK.
>>543445661>I don't think you even know what this chart means.nigga , no one knows what the graph means, not even you.It's just a bunch of lines with numbers to intimidate goys into shutting the fuck up and minding their own business.
treasure hunying
>>543448761it means that demand for US government bonds is dropping fairly quickly. It's obvious first-order implications are that borrowing costs are rising for consumers, businesses and the government.
>>543446346Trump stickers? Whatever happened to the jew ones?
>>543448699We're all gearing up for war, didn't you know? That's the other component, the world commodities markets already broke down, "the price" is only the price certain political blocs pay on most anything now. Last thing we need during war is a bunch of useless people happily employed in companies taking free money to provide adult day care.No it's time to pop the bubble. It might be bad here, but it'll be worse everywhere else and unless we set things up properly, when it does pop, and it will, things will be even worse.
>>543447730Not what I meant. I mean that if Trump starts making new currency that would cause inflation.>>543448237The Federal Reserve raising rates is meant to increase the cost of borrowing which means less inflation (or it at least slows the rate of increasing inflation).>>543448315>US Notes would cure it instantly.I don't see how. You mean notes backed by gold or something? Yeah, the jew bankers would kill him before he finished signing that bill.But even if somehow the funny money stopped and the US returned to real money, the economy would collapse because it's all built on speculative investment. You wouldn't be able to get a loan for anything, nobody would be able to pay off existing loans either because they'd lose their job when their employer isn't able to get a loan or even if they have cash they wouldn't be able to get supplies because enough upstream suppliers would be running on speculative investment.
>>543448880i'll say it again, your obsession with asset markets and complete disregard for actual economic activity are something you'd expect from an underage /biz/fag
>>543445526Just like my dick, boiiiiiiiii
>>543448880>it's time to cause mass suffering for no reason at allyou are retarded, genuinely.
>>543448934you gotta step it up, buddy. Obviously the government isn't going to issue 12% bonds in addition to all the bonds they are already issuing. They'll necessarily have to issue fewer of them. The current move higher isn't being driven primarily by the Fed. Rising rates are leading indicator of an incoming recession (and potentially a cause if they keep rising for a sustained amount of time). As i explicitly referenced, the Fed response would typically be to cut rates ahead of that or in response to it.
>>543448987The economic activity is fake, that's the issue. We can't just give companies free money so they can run Jewish daycares, while harming the dollar at the same time.That was stupid to start with. Nobody really even tried to identify the real problem that got us into this mess (outsourcing / China) let alone deal with it, the answer was, hey let's a have a services economy where somehow an ONLINE NOTEPAD.EXE is a twenty billion dollar business because the ONLINE JUICE SQUEEZER COMPANY needs to take NOTES!Time to knock the knees out from under this scam.>>543449038>for no reason at allOh the reason exists, and it is good. Half the economy is so useless that the people working the jobs could be making balloon animals down at the local petting zoo and it would be better for society to boot.
>>543449236>some autist who thinks they're way smarter than he actually is has deemed all of this activity useless, so we're just going to create an unprecedented economic crisis so that everyone's lives align with his idea of utilityyou're only demonstrating my point further with each post.
>>543450061It's a shock test. You're familiar with Bessant's specialty right?Market's gotta close down to some degree, it's not healthy. Too many bored people with too much money and time, doing too many experiments on the goyim. It's bad for America, and risk is coming back. Most people who are in the risk trade hate risk, they want things always the same, with infinite free money on tap, but yet high inflation.It's not sensible, we've tried it. It's actually quite silly. Risk is coming back into fashion. Want that risk premium? Well there's gotta be real risk attached.
>>543450061>infinity foids and indians sending emails all day is beneficial economic activityMeanwhile thousands of kids in China are competing ruthlessly for a single open STEM position
>>543450192you just blew past a number of more moderate solutions that wouldn't result in widespread shanty towns and predictable violence. you're a keyboard babby.
>>543447367The Jews won’t allow Trump to do anything that nationalizes the country. If you haven’t noticed he’s completely blackmailed by kikes
>>543450393You have no idea what would happen, you're just presenting a worse case scenario as if it's inevitable. We've already got the shanty towns and rust belt, we need to bring back industry and get rid of the service economy of pillow fluffing which runs on free money. Doing it quick would be best.>>543450454He already nationalized Intel.
>>54344566112% when the current debt to GDP ratio is over 100% will not work. The Volcker Shock only worked because the debt to GPD was 25%. You put shit over 10% and all hell breaks.
>>543450192>Risk is coming back into fashion.If you believe this I have a bridge to sell you. Ask yourself why a massive bubble, ust margin call, fx chaos, energy shock, and ten other massive things have not yet lead to a crash. The answer is simple.
>>543450552Show your work. That blablabla sounds good but, you just made it up.>>543450593Chaos is the name of the game, that's what we need. Risk-free profits based on overvalued nonsense is how you blow away everything. Gotta take the dried up cows out to pasture before they start attacking the milking heifers.
>>543448108Which is why I have always and will always view (((crypto))) itself as a kike scam.
pic related shows quickly the situation can deteriorate>bond yields determined by several market factors>perceived ability to repay being the most decisive one>bond yields go slightly up>debt gets refinanced at a slightly higher rate>if your debt-to-gdp is too high, budget deficit worsens>budget deterioration reduces confidence in your ability to repay>bond yields go up>death spiralyou can have decades of perfectly normal bond rates following world averages, then a couple of bad years is all it takes for the rates to go up exponentiallypeople have been crying about debt for years precisely to avoid getting to this point (nobody listened)
>>543450546lmao what do you think would happen if borrowng costs doubled and equity investments essentially stopped? Nevermind that, you already described the intended consequence of what you're describing (the mass elimination of zombie companies and useless roles that have come to dominate our economy). You think that those all go away rapidly without a dramatic shock? Underage.
>>543450650>retard with all the ideas can't do back of the envelope math to realize that the situation might be different when debt is 5x the previous level
>>543450650I did not invent the Volcker Shock, this has been done before in the 80's. If this was the 80's, maybe that would work. Again, it's all about the debt to GDP ratio.
>>543450650>Risk-free profits based on overvalued nonsense is how you blow away everything. Gotta take the dried up cows out to pastureI completely agree, zombie companies are screwing everything up. The problem is that this won't be allowed to happen. It should have already happened a dozen times in as many years. And yet we persist on this doomed path ad infinitum.
>>543447929>there is the exact same migger cope tooa new migger cope i've been seeing is shit like "good, let these kikes lose all their money"2 years into the presidency and you already have miggers trying to paint bankrupcy as a good thing all because their orange nigger is doing it
Bessent directly challenged the bond market, "I am the house now". The thing to understand about this is that its not empty rhetoric, the bond market couldn't let that stand as it prices in its own power to discipline the sellers of bonds as a market mechanism. This was followed by Trump vowing to borrow 1.2 trillion to just give away.This is like burgling Tony Sopranos house or something, you cannot be allowed to do it, you cannot be allowed to be seen to be doing it. So now you've gone all in on a 32 trillion dollar poker game and, thanks to Trump's other idiocies, holding nothing and everyone can see your cards.
>>543445526>IT KEEPS RISINGMUH DICK
>>543448190Consumer debt is going to become more scarce with higher interest rates compared to the past two decades. Mortgages, HELOCs, certain student loans and most auto loans will become far more expensive and anyone relying on variable-rate credit lines for survival (consumer credit cards, payday loans, pawns) will get bent over with zero lube. Basically anyone living paycheck-to-paycheck is going to have a really bad time.
>>543448632>>543448237>unemployment & inflationthis is like telling a drowning person it might rain
>>543450740>lmao what do you think would happen if borrowng costs doubled and equity investments essentially stopped?Companies would have to generate profits within the first... maybe decade or two they exist again? Free money hose leading to quarterbacked unicorns which are pawned to the public is no longer viable?The shock is coming. Question is, do we let it happen naturally and just keep our pants down and the old o-ring greased up waiting, or do it in a managed way?>>543450792Show your work if it's so easy. You can't because it's just a talking point, the monetary system is purely notional as it is, and can be adjusted at whim. None of this was inevitably going to last forever and ever amen.>>543450817Show the work, you can't.>>543450818It's not just going to happen, they're making it happen at a faster pace than we've seen than since the '80s. It's already a thing. Bessant's specialty, what is it? Do you know?
>>543445526>it's not even 6%Pump those rookie numbers up to 17-22%, that's what the Zooms keep begging for.
>>543450979Yes I'm aware of him and Soros and the bank of England. And yes I'm fully aware of what they're doing. And no this doesn't disprove anything I've said about the domestic situation.
>>543447259it doesn't have to export inflation when it can export oil and gas.
>>543448843No they aren't, your conclusion doesn't make any sense.
>>543445661>low trust america is actually a good thingno
>>543451090>Yes I'm aware of him and Soros and the bank of England.So no, you don't know his specialty. You know how to try to make him bad, though. But what's his specialty?Domestic situation is linked to the international situation and that is being taken care of at the top, top levels. H1b is ending in November, that alone will be a shock to the system. Soon, big companies won't be able hire foreign serfs for pennies on the dollar (yes they do) to do makework funded by ZIRP.They will keep cranking the prime rate. Smart money is already looking at 5% and saying, damn, risk free 5%? No bubble?
>>543450979you need to put a little bit more effort into reading. You're saying the shock is bad, so we might as well make it worse. Arguing that a shock is inevitable is not sufficient to justify taking drastic action to hasten and exacerbate it. here you go, btw, retard https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=sOGhttps://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/fyoigda188sinterest payments as a percentage of GDP are comparable to the highs from Volcker, and interest payments as a percentage of government receipts are 60-70% of that level. Doubling rates would necssarily have a more dramatic impact. It's embarassing that you couldn't do that math yourself, and it's even more embarassing that you were obtuse when this was pointed out. you're hiding from obvious truths because you're desperate to sound like a sage hardass instead of an asshurt teenage autist.
>>543451315It's here already. This was a decision made at the national policy level under LBJ. I wasn't even born yet. And Clinton's where the managed decline started.
>>543451266you think higher rates and falling secondary market prices indicate something other than falling demand? ANd you think that higher rates don't result in higher borrowing costs? care to explain?
>>543451323>H1b is ending in NovemberWhat's the current status of that? I thought I saw that the $100k they proposed got shot down.
>>543451323>risk freeYou're like a 10 year old who stumbled on daddy's finance textbook and now believes he's figured it out. UST is anything other than risk free at this point. You may now return to your regularly scheduled bussy bluster, kike.
>>543450979Bessent's problem is that he's moved the US into having a trading position where the counterparty might as well be infinite (every entity in the world that isn't the US government I guess).This is incredibly and unspeakably stupid. As with much in the current administration its a humiliating reduction of the scope of the the United States pretending to be strength. And Trump barking about wanting zero interest rates, even though we know it bullshit and his brain is pulp at this point, to certain people that sounds quite a lot like the kind of threat made by a bankrupt to a bank he owes billions to. Something Trump, in fairness, has form doing so nobody is laughing.
>>543445526>SoonI would gladly suffer through the greater depression knowing the US losing power will leave Israel defenseless. It will also turn the gibs horde into target practice pretty quickly.
zoom out
>>543451326>You're saying the shock is bad, so we might as well make it worse.Nope, wrong. I'm saying, a shock we can't control, that happens by surprise after we dropped the soap, is worse than a shock we control and manage.>VolckerYou always talk about Volcker but do you know him really? You probably don't even know how many FRN's are allowed to exist.>>543451427It's $200k and it was upheld.>>543451440I know how it all works already, don't be so coy. The quarterbacked unicorn to publicly-invested powerhouse doing... nothing pipeline is evidenced all around.
>>543445526but why isn't gold exploding?bond yields rising is supposed to be a sign of sinking confidence in the US Dollar, or rather the capability of the state to service the debt. >>543445661you are basically nuking your opportunity to have other countries trust your paper in the long term with this. All bets are off. The founding promise of the USD was "you can shop US goods with them", later extended by "yeah also Arab Oil". There is not many goods left, china makes them all cheaper, and now the oil is gone.
>>543451501To what? Back when the US was less than 1 trillion usd in debt?
>>543451565>nope, wrongYou think displacing like 30% of the workforce is a shock that "we control"? >always talkwe've never interacted before, and I was responding directly to your demand for work to be shown when that was prompted by another anon. You're confused or schizo.
>>543451565Riddle me this fagman, why did Warren Buffet step down so abruptly
>>543451669can't do it nignog?
>>543451726i think hs point was that by saying zoom out, you're implying that this isn't an unprecedented situation, but that's objectively wrong if and easy to see if you aren't stupid.
>you are basically nuking your opportunity to have other countries trust your paper in the long term with thisYes.>>543451688Trump outed him as a figurehead for the Plunge Protection Team duing COVID (THREE FUCKING TIMES LOL), after that all his statements about "listening to the right people" clicked into place and all the magic *POOF* was suddenly gone.There was no need to have a mythical, it turned out, Oracle of Omaha at all. It was just a trick from the get-go. Also shareholders in BerkHa quarterback their shitty products like See's fake chocolate or that shitty Killz paint.
>>543446520>The only people who could be angry are stock market bubble kikesStock market kikes know how to shortPension plans and ETFs for 401k/IRAs won't.
>>543447259this % means the demand for US debt is in steady decline, i.e. traders and big banks are waking up one after another and tweaking their buy bots, because let's be honest 90% of bond trades is big finance (guessing here). your long term guess is spot on, and since the US is already on course to pay out $1T/year in interest just on the existing bonds, anyone with a pair of eyes should see this isn't sustainable even in the middle long run of 5-10 years.Especially if 34% of the entire economy is just "bets on AI going big"
>>543451786My point is that our financial situation is completely different now than it was in the 1980’s. The ‘zoom out’ rhetoric is misguided. If we return to 1980 style yields now the country would basically be insolvent or very close to it.
>>543445526It's 4.81% under Trump since 2025 and was 5.17% under Biden.>you can't invest your foodstamps anyway welfie#KeepFailing #MAGAFails #LowIQ
>>543445526historical data suggests whether or not rates continue to rise will be the deciding factor in whether or not the stock bullrun can continue. i think the fed will panic and ease because they know this.
>>543451613>why isn't gold explodingbecause there is competition and uncertainties about its monetary capabilities
>>543452080that's why china and the rest of the world central banks are rushing to stockpile it, yeah.
>>543448055The Federal Reserve needs to raise the rates, or the market will do it for them by refusing to buy the bonds. The only way to lower the rates is, unironically, raising them so that it restores trust in US bonds again. Otherwise, the economic situation will be catastrophic. The bond crisis the media talks about is a legitimacy crisis, and there is a legitimacy crisis because governments all over the world, not just the US, have been sacrificing long term national stability for the short term gain of private corporations. So, if the Federal Reserve does not set the trend and raise rates significantly, the market will call the bluff and everything will go to hell. Your move Mr. Warsh. Let's see if you are legitimate or just some fucking puppet.
>>543451915They don't know shit but the inside information they're told./biz/ beat the stock market with Gamestop. Yellen halted the market and even reversed trades. The whole thing is clearly a rigged Jewish casino. Only alternative is to make treasuries more attractive than the market and drive people OUT. The normies will follow the smart money leaving the casino as it was intended to be - a place to bet and lose.>>543452053The growth isn't production, it's fake ass "services." That's what is going to be cured. There are companies out there than have never made four profitable quarters in a row yet are decades old now. None of the AI concerns have been profitable for even a quarter lel. Some are over five years old now.
>>543445526SCOTT.IT'S ME, DONALD.WHY AREN'T YOU DOING SOMETHING?SCOTT PLEASE, I'M AT YOUR DOOR
>>543445526CAN WE GET MUCH HIGHER(SO HIGH)
>>543451688
>>543451389it was fine before miggerism spread like a chinese virus
>>543445526Who else is ready for Agenda 2030? I can't wait.https://files.catbox.moe/gu00c6.mp3he was a good wolfhe dindu nuffinhe always washed his pawsand obeyed his rabbilittle red riding hoodis getting rapedby muslim groomersin the streetsthe big-nosed witchwho lives in the woodsin a house made of candythat eats your kidsmasses of diseased mindsfloat in ssri pissneeding deep deep deprogrammingmaybe even exorcistbecause who wouldn't want to live in a worldcontrolled by the new digital godmenand their "human-like" golemsthat have the capability to snap you in halfif you so much as think any double-plus unhealthy thoughtsyou need your armageddonyou need to eat your fellow manyou need this greatest of resetsand to be turned into sandwhich satan did you love?which satan did you love?which satan did you love?
>>543451786Okay I did it for you you LAZY NIGGER
>>543451904>>543451688Warren Buffett was just a front man for the Deep State/Wall Street/Rothschild Jews.Just like Jeffrey Epstein. And just like all the tech mega-billionaires who sat at Epstein's knee, like Zuckerberg, Musk, Brinn, Page, Bezos, and Bill Gates.Epstein and Warren Buffett were both Iran-Contra ultra-deep state operatives.The Iran-Contra Bush/Mossad/Saudi gang was using small banks to launder the Iran Contra drug money.One of those banks was Franklin Credit Union in Omaha Nebraska, run by notorious CIA pedo blackmail ring leader nigger Lawrence King.King and Buffett were super close friends, and Buffett's wife even volunteered at Franklin Credit Union where King had a whole orgy/rape bedroom in the basement.
>>543450684Yes, things can and do escalate quickly. The problem for the US isn't simply bonds though, it's the fact that so many US dollars sit outside the dollar system and normally absorb inflation. These dollars that get outside of the dollar system(essentially they're exported to foreign nations) are called eurodollars. All of the eurodollars get used for trade between non-US parties(like saudis buying japanese goods with US dollars) and these dollars exceed the amount of dollars circulating in the US. You essentially have a shadow money supply soaking up excess inflation, keeping US inflation low. As oil nations stop getting dollars for oil because of the hormuz blockade, or simply deciding not to keep dollars because we fucked them over, those dollars find their way back into the US, driving inflation up. You have a dual shock, where foreigners dump treasuries, driving up interest rates, and foreigners dumping dollars which drives up inflation rates. These 2 start feeding in a loop, only making it worse over time.This is why bessent is freaking out. The day us/israel attacked iran is the bottom for treasuries. Everyone started selling bonds to cover losses in oil trade and no one is buying dollars anymore. Even non-oil nations can't see why they should hold dollars with america constantly threatening everyone.
>>543447312>the whole Federal Reserve Note* economic system is a ponzi scheme and was never meant to be sustainable.ftfy
>>543445526just pay cash. are you white or something?
>>543452530lol
>>543452418this was your attempt to downplay the issue? think it backfired m7
>>543452217>finally admits he's a /biz/tardno wonder you're economically illiterate
>lol
>>543450979Everyone, this nigger is being a complete faggot. The work is self explanatory, do it yourself retard.
>>543452575can't read a graph nigger?
>>543452280>tfw the thing that kicks off the proper crisis is Scott not being able to take the pressure from lying and throwing himself out a window
>>543452029exactly
>>543452666you're trying too hard, but ironically not applying yourself enough. do a lap and hit the weights dummy
>>543452422to continue:Bill Gates and Warren Buffett started "The Giving Pledge", where all these fake mega-billionaires agree to give the vast majority of their money to Rothschild/Rockefeller/Mossad/CIA foundations and causes. Every Epstein underling mossad billionaire signed The Giving Pledge:In the Epstein emails, you can see him talking about wanting to take over personal control of the whole Giving Pledge organization and where all the money goes. Personally.If that's not enough evidence for you, recall the Epstein email where he talks about his secret dinner with Musk/Zuckerberg/Hoffman and other Silicon Valley bigwigs. Epstein told his email buddy that the meeting was about "money, and how and where they need to spend it."Notice how Melinda Gates and MacKenzie Bezos are spending their billions in divorce money. It's all on Rothschild/Rockefeller foundations and causes.Just peruse this list
>>543452702Concession accepted nignog
>>543452705>>543452422Epstein's annual Billionaires' Dinners. Literally a who's who of The Giving Pledge signees.Not one of these people wants to keep the majority of "their" wealth in their own family.Every single one of them wants to give most of it away to Epstein/Rothschilds favorite charitable foundations.Every one of these geeks is an actor playing the role of independently wealthy billionaire.
>>543453034this is believable
Honestly the best company to think about, both positive and negative, is HP, HP started out with two people in a garage making products the market wanted. They went on through the whole classic HP period like this, they identified a need and created a well thought out solution. One of the heads became our Defense Minister and he's basically why the military went full retard on tech. It's good, it's useful. Then these guys die and the next generation comes in to dissect the living "corpse" and part it out for max profits.HP's fate has been shared by all the US tech companies. There is no life there. Does IBM have life? Not really. And this is because these companies are allowed to exist despite doing nothing of consequence. Intel has no life. AMD has no life. Nothing is living and expanding, thriving, because any growth is fake and real growth might harm the interlinked fake economy. If you want to understand why tech is so frozen and petrified now, look at the history of HP. At one point the poor board wanted to figure out what the hell was going on, this was in the post Hewlett and Packard days, and HP corporate got wind of it and not only spied on their own board, but created embarrassing stories in the media about them.CIA got control of HP. They also got Bud Lite, but this is a different era. Study these cases.
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>>543452621/biz/ is indian and israeli scammers lel it's a nothing board
>>543453099Yeah. The CIA started creating all these front companies from like 1950 on, but it really accelerated in the 1970s.And I bet all those jewish hostile takeover firms in the 1980s, the likes of which are fictionalized in the Oliver Stone movie Wall Street, I bet those were all Mossad/Rothschild/CIA front companies just completely unleashed under Reagan/HW Bush.And Epstein was all tight with those firms back then too, as a young Iran Contra hot shot.Like this guy's firm, pic related. Haven't even researched yet but Epstein was in with KKR and Bear Stearns.
>>543450931i hope it works out better than expected for you and the us economy because of whatever thing might happen that can lessen this blow on the already stupidly indebted govt.
>>543452176There's no legitimacy crisis when you have the most powerful military in the world and everyone knows it
>>543453099The way the Rothschilds took over in the late 1800s was to back a crypto-jew or a reliable honorary jew, and turn him into a robber baron by strong arming everybody else out of that industry.Rockefeller - OilCarnegie - SteelVanderbilt - boat shippingEH Harriman - RailroadsJP Morgan/Rockefellers - non-jew bankingthings like that.Harriman's business partner was Jacob Schiff, first cousin of the Rothschilds who grew up in the House of the Red Shield that the Rothschilds took their name from.Rockefeller and Rothschild families have officially merged all Rockefeller business interests into one. Carnegie Institute for Peace is like a top neocon jew globalist think tank.
>>543453372lolwut? usa lost to iran. it's over.
>>543445526>thinks I care about numbers on a chartmany countries will suffer from the downfall of the dollar before we even begin to feel it here at home.And we are self-sustainable country lol good luck to all you poors who won't even be able to afford usda beef by the time this is done. This is the death of globalization, and that is good. America has been feeding the poor and clothing the unworthy for far too long.
>>543453474So the 1980s leveraged buyout firms, all kosher nostra, they were of course backed by the whole Rothschild/Mossad/CIA apparatus to bend targeted companies and their leadership to their jewish will.Just like in the 1800s using the Pinkerton Detectives and such to sabotage competing companies in the fields of oil, trains, ships, steel, banking.
>>543445526feels like we hit 5.00% just days ago
>>543453604>So the 1980s leveraged buyout firms, all kosher nostra, they were of course backed by the whole Rothschild/Mossad/CIA apparatus to bend targeted companies and their leadership to their jewish will.KKR/Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co. taking over Nabisco was a famous hostile takeover you guys might have heard about from this book:
>>543453555>self-sustainablelmao, retard. you can't even make your own nuts and bolts. half of usa is crippled. 60% can't read beyond 6th grade. hispanics make up 20% of the usa population, and they can't do complex tech shit. meanwhile asians who run the tech field are only 6% of total population. now that immigration is so tight, usa is absolutely fucked. china graduates 10x more stem graduates than usa, and all you hear now is be a plumber, be an electrician. yeah, ok, let me know when that unicorn plumbing companies shows up on the stock market.
>>543453845yeah. we have to kiss China's ass because if we stop kissing it we get cut off from everything, and our Jews are not even trying to even start a goal of future self-sustainability.Even things like vitamin C, like 90% of it comes from China.
>>543453845we control our own food supply, we locally produce most of what we need to survive a global economic meltdown, no computer chips are not included in that because they are not essential to survival, and if anyone is stupid enough to go to war over this, they are only expediting their own destruction.Read a book, dumb nigger. You'd be amazed at how much you can learn if you didn't just get your information from the internet.
>>543447259Give me your potassium Kazanon
>>543453970>we control our own food supply, we locally produce most of what we need to survive a global economic meltdown, no computer chips are not included in that because they are not essential to survival, and if anyone is stupid enough to go to war over this, they are only expediting their own destruction.>Read a book, dumb nigger. You'd be amazed at how much you can learn if you didn't just get your information from the internet.Books are a jewish monopoly.We don't have the rare earth materials we need for weapons or high tech shit. It's a huge issue, and China is already squeezing our access to them.This is why the latest batch of F-35s all came off the line without radars.you're pretty retarded. The kikes aren't going to go out of their way to tell you how much they fucked up and fucked us all over.
>>543445526Based and hopium filled thread. Accelerate, to the moon!
>>543454095> The kikes aren't going to go out of their way to tell you how much they fucked up and fucked us all over.Kek no they won’t, ever. That’s why acceleration is based and the only path.
>>543454095>he thinks the collapse of the global economy doesn't include electronic componentsand this is why you are one retarded nigger, anon. You quite literally no idea what an economic collapse entails and thinks it just means the numbers are going to spike on a graph while everything else carries on as normal.You are a true representation of the American public education system.
>>543445661>great for the USAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH AMERICAN EDUCATION
>>543454531Notice you did not even make a point. Like if you were trying to say that other nations tech industries will be crippled more than the USAs, then say that.if you think the US can make high tech shit without China/Russia's rare earth materials, then i have a book to sell you about how amazing America is.
>>543445661Doesn't it mean the us has to offer more money to get people to buy its debt? Isn't that bad (for usa)?
>>543454973yes, it's very badbut terminal miggerism means that you defend anything the orange nigger does, that includes bankrupting the nation
>>543448843it means sand niggers and the rest of the world need to sell their bonds to get oil, gas, food, and data centers.
They had the Great Wall of China and we have the Great Fall of America
>>543445526>IT KEEPS RISINGWhat does? Your penis for trans?
>>543454910>can't comprehend the basic point I'm trying to makeyes you retarded nigger, I know you can't read. Since I have to spell it out for you, if the dollar were to collapse then virtually all industries pertaining to rare earth minerals and production of high-tech components would virtually crash overnight. And that is because the dollar is heavily funding each respective industry. What does that mean in retarded nigger terms? The moment that they paychecks stop coming in then that is the moment those components stop being produced, which ultimately leads to a resource war among the top nations for control of what supply remains. Now how does that tie into what I mentioned in my original post? Excellent question, Nigger. As I mentioned before, we are a self-sustainable country. We produce our own food, we produce our own steel, oil, virtually all of our immediate needs are taken care of. While yes, consumers will inevitably suffer lack of supply, critical infrastructure would remain intact for a period of time, enough to guarantee our existence. And this here is the important part, nigger. Other countries don't have even a tenth of those guarantees. So while the country will revert back to a technological level resembling your current educational level, we will still be able to sling rocks and club foreign and domestic enemies to death. Does that mean that America will win in the end? No. Terrible suffering would be wrought on everyone. But we have the capacity to at least preserve a small remnant to rebuild once it all comes crashing down to the ground.Comprende now?
>>543453970>>543454095The world needs our Quartz for Computer Chips. So yes America doesn't have the rare Earth but nobody else has the specific Quartz needed to make those chips. That's why China had that big "Actually we are Best Frens Forever" meeting. >Global Dependence: These high-purity quartz crucibles—mostly sourced from Spruce Pine, North Carolina—can withstand massive heat without leaking microscopic impurities into the molten silicon. Without this specific American quartz, making defect-free semiconductor crystals for global tech becomes nearly impossible.
>>543455415>We produce our own food, we produce our own steel, oil, virtually all of our immediate needs are taken care of. Lololol.>About 38% of the fresh vegetables consumed in the United States are imported from other countries.>Active Pharmaceutical Ingredients (APIs): The U.S. no longer has a domestic producer for foundational antibiotic APIs, making reliance on imports effectively total (near 100%) for raw building blocks. China is the leading source, providing about 87% of these imports.
>>543455415as if i should have predicted every aspect of your retarded multi-faceted opinion.BRICS countries and their friends/neighbors are more protected from a dollar crash than elsewhere.They have a whole system set up already to minimize damage from a crashing USD.We do not.BRICS will continue to make chips and advanced equipment, because they don't need dollars as much, and because they have a monopoly on the rare earth materials.But thanks for stating your delusional opinion rather than just flinging shit.
>>543455847They literally can't make more chips because they won't have the tools needed to make said CHIPS because ONLY America has that specific Quartz. Stupid ass. The Quartz crucible can only take 50-100 runs before it needs replacing. You will run out and only the USA has them. Sabre Rattle about your rare Earths they are worthless without Amercian Quartz.
>>543445526This has a positive impact for housing as it's going to result in a bunch of rental properties getting put up for sale.
>>543456013The entire world including all of our "allies" want Trump and the USA to lose.We are now in the position that King George III and the Red Coats were in in the 1770s, when the entire world conspired to finance the American Colonies in the American Revolution.You side with your jewish overlords for the same reason you swung a chicken over your head last week on Yom Kippur.
>>543456105Except it won't. The majority of these fuckers bought houses during the pandemic with the ultra-low mortgage at the time.>>543456013>Active Pharmaceutical Ingredients (APIs): The U.S. no longer has a domestic producer for foundational antibiotic APIs, making reliance on imports effectively total (near 100%) for raw building blocks. China is the leading source, providing about 87% of these imports
>>543456166Shut up and get off the VPN. It doesn't suddenly change the fact you have no quartz.
>>543456194Cool. What does that have to do with Quartz that the entire Chip industry is reliant upon that can only be sourced from America. 90% the global supply which comes from a small town in North Carolina.
>>543449236Yyyooooo... You're dissing my moms job!!
>>543456203jewish americans are human vpns.
>>543456300GAS THE VPNS
>>543455669If you're going to google your comebacks, then you should at least be aware of what you are asking it, and ask far more intelligent questions than you currently are, nigger.>Penicillin grows in a petri dish>if you're going to ask google how much produce we import, then ask it how much of that is essential to our survival.You see, you don't even have a basic understanding of how this all works and you think you're going to catch me in a logical fallacy because you're too stupid to understand the technology you are currently exploiting to make yourself look like a bigger dumbass than previously demonstrated.Yes, we will no longer be able to produce jewish bullshit such as goyzac, adderall, and insulin. But guess what? That's not essential to the human body.The lazy indolent fucks who have gambled with their lives and are wholly dependent on the pharmaceutical industry to function on a day-to-day basis will be the first ones to perish when the global pinch starts limiting what we can produce/distribute.Your grand error in assumption is thinking that we are still going to maintain our current way of living in the event of a global financial collapse. That alone should tell you that you are not informed enough to grasp the idea, let alone quip about it.There's a reason the meek will inherit the earth, retard. And it has nothing to do with plot armor and has everything to do with the fact that they can make due with what little they have. While you can't go a single day without ordering takeout, the people who are going to survive know how to make cabbage soup last a few days, and make just filling enough so that they're not miserable about it.Honestly, how do people like you even look yourselves in the mirror and not see abject failure written on that gullible head of yours? You are an exact representation of what this world is, temporary and of no consequence.
>>543456264China can easily shut off our antibiotics imports. People could die of a tooth infection like old times.
>>543455415>if the dollar were to collapse then virtually all industries pertaining to rare earth minerals and production of high-tech components would virtually crash overnight. And that is because the dollar is heavily funding each respective industry.How is the dollar relevant to these industries when they are located in the north east asian tech zone? Rare earths is chinese, and the other stuff you allude to is south korean, japanese and taiwanese, and chinese as well. Their expenses are in local currency, not dollars.
Why do you all cheer for societal collapse? Do you think you will survive the Mad Max-style hellscape to come afterwards?
>>543446356Still wouldn’t vote for Kamala lmao
>>543451132Think about how retarded this is for a second, fiat is useful primarily as a means to insulate currency from shortage and leverage debt to collect interest. Oil and gas require a great deal more labor on the order of magnitude, fiat can be created or destroyed with a mere pen-stroke, they are far from being interchangeable. I despise fiat and usury, however precious metal backed currency is ludicrous and open to manufactured shortages by foreign nations who renege on their debts. Fiat uniquely benefits the providing nation because it can be hand-waived away if the recipient doesn't uphold their end of the bargain, whereas gold for instance benefits the recipient or one being invested in. If the USA's USD ceases to be the world reserve currency, the world will functionally end because no one can realistically valuate a direct replacement. Globohomo wants to implement a global CBDC fiat but we're a decade or more off from that being possible, the average person doesn't have much faith in the digital realm.
>>543456388I will not only survive, I will thrive.
>>543456362If you're worried about a global financial collapse, then steel shouldn't be a fucking priority either. Antibiotics is much more important.>insulinThe fact that you group insulin with psychotic medication is saying something.>Penicillin grows in a petri dishLol. >Staphylococcus aureus: Nearly 100% of strains in the U.S. and worldwide are now resistant to original penicillin (due to production of an enzyme called penicillinase).
Fuck you tranny
>>543456203>Shut up and get off the VPN. It doesn't suddenly change the fact you have no quartz.Chingchongs already have their pure quartz mines. Its a pretty common mineral.
>>543456457>Globohomo wants to implement a global CBDC fiat but we're a decade or more off from that being possible, the average person doesn't have much faith in the digital realm.Bessent is a foremost expert in crashing a currency, but maybe that isn't what he's doing on purpose right now and you are right.Maybe they wanted to wait 10 years but they are being rushed into it right now.If Bessent starts relaxing in his body language that would be a bad sign.
>>543456380Because American dollars is the primary currency that funds the industries that harvest the resources, refines them, and uses it to produce the end product. Or do you think that minerals just magically appear at our convenience? No, Nigger. Someone is getting paid every step of the logistical chain, and their pockets are lined up with American pesos. Cope about it all you want, but without the USD all this fanciful technology becomes a pipe dream that no one will ever be able to replicate again.
>>543445526i wanna see 20% by 2027
>>543456388>Why do you all cheer for societal collapse? Do you think you will survive the Mad Max-style hellscape to come afterwards?America collapsing wont collapse anything in Europe. It would kill the funding of various subversive NGOs in Europe which are financed by "american" dual passport holder billionaries. I dont need to specify which other passport they hold, do I? The final gift of the jews to whyte amerimutts will be extermination at the hands of various commie brownies led by the DSA. In sub 40 population, coloreds outnumber whyte amerimutts by 3:1. In sub 20 population, even more.
>>543456800Lolol. The Chinese heavily subsidize industries like that. And China is essentially the only game in town for REE and their processing? What, you think the world will stop demanding REE if they Americans weren't buying them lol.Honestly it's amazing how nice China is. We make MILITARY EQUIPMENT with their materials, and yet they are kind enough of them to keep doing it. They're actually a bit cucked if you think about it. Maybe they're not the asshole belligerents we make them out to be and maybe we're actually the bad guys
>>543456755That's why China is shilling their yuan so hard still, they think they be a direct replacement for USD but even Eurokikes obviously won't stand for that. Bessent will lose his position in a couple years but I would watch for him to cave around Q1 or Q2 in 2028 if he's going to.
>>543456388>Do you think you will survive the Mad Max-style hellscape to come afterwards?Niggah my retirement plan is MAID. Do you think I care?
>>543456800>Because American dollars is the primary currency that funds the industries that harvest the resources,Chingchongs pay each other with dollars now? Rare earths is almost a chinese monopoly. Gooks, nips, island chinks and mainland chinks can easily set up a direct exchange mechanism to facilitate trade between them, cutting America out. You just dont get it, America as an industrial power is the past. America is nothing more than a jewish stock market casino and money exchange with nukes. The Russia of the West. When the casino goes bankrupt, the only thing you will have left is raw material exports. We might see starvation in America due to food being exported, as well as americans freezing to death during cold spells because of high energy costs.
>>543456800i really don't understand why people think that USD conversion currency is the case out of necessity rather than convenience
>>543457118There is no other option unless every central bank uses gold or some stable coin, but no one wants eur, gbp, cad, yen, etc etc there is no replacing the USD. Ironically global share of usd reserves has gone UP despite calls to divest away from USD.
>>543457118because they don't understand money, or power for that matter. The moment the renminbi buys you a better life than the USD, then we will see a shift in how global transactions are conducted. Until then, we remain at the top of the food chain.>>543457110>>543457022>muh gooksyou niglets are hopeless lmao stick to arguing about ching chong cartoons and furry porn, we don't need your expertise to guide us through the collapse of the world economy.
>>543457285okay but that's because it still works. obviously doing more to disrupt that would change the math on convenience
>>543446520higher yields do not shrink the money supply, though.usa will manage to do the opposite in an extreme way.
>>543451613It has been exploding, smart money has been buying it up consistently and they do it ahead of time, not when some line somewhere goes up.All of the indicators for a long time have shown this and they've responded by gradually buying up more and more of it, causing the recent price spike, and they will continue to accumulate as long as things don't start looking better.
>>543445526big number = good
>>543452168so they say...
>>543453970>we control our own food supplySo why are so many of our food products now sourced from India and Argentina - both paragons of quality? You are beyond retarded. This isn't the 50's boomer. Anything that was worth anything was sold off to other countries decades ago. Farmland, utilities, pretty much anything of value is no longer in the hands of the US, including our military.
>>543452280>SCOTT PLEASE, I'M AT YOUR DOOR
there is no way out of the box for america, it will be austerity one way or another. Either via reduced economic actiy, starting with the USG, or via inflation.
>>543460334>actiy*activity
>>543450552>>543445526>>543445661I do options and stocks trading and what he says is correct. Debt to gdp was way lower in the past. These graphs where anons point at>BUT 70 YEARS AGO IT WAS HIGHERwas only possible because debt was only 1/10th of it now.This year 10T debt rolls over with interest that had 1-1.5%. Interest rate. Any 0.1% increase in the interest rate for any Treasury equals 10B interest payment, or 40B if all 40T rolled over.5.2%-1%= 4.2% difference times 10B => 420B interest to bond holders on top of 1.1T of interest already being paid.Totaling 1.5T in just a few months. Basically raising interest payments by 50%That is not fucking sustainable. USA is done for with this trajectory.
>>543460610>That is not fucking sustainable. USA is done for with this trajectory.the plan is probably war and then a currency reset ala Bretton woods. Same as it ever was. It's not just the US. Global debt levels are completely unfixable
>>543445661I can't even believe someone is this low IQ.
>>543461785It is hard to gauge. This is the largest default in human history and will drag the entire world into a depression, because we all adopted the ponzi scheme.What usually happens when a currency defaults though, is that the stock market of the denominated currency rises exponentially. Mind you, not a normal recession, where everything loses demand and drags the stock market down.This is because tangible goods (houses, gold, silver,oil, copper,...) and even paper certificates aka stocks, a % share of a company cannot be bought with worthless money anymore. Perfect example for this is Venezuela, when their currency became worthless. 43000% increase of their stock market.But a simultaneous default of the entire world?! Or even currency reset?! None will allow the US to do so and if they push it through with violence, then no country will ever lend them money again.
>>543461785Won't help. Fundamentally, we have too many old people and very few young people.
>>543462256>What usually happens when a currency defaults though, is that the stock market of the denominated currency rises exponentially.If this scenario happens I think there will be a massive crash first, due to the AI bubble, then the inflation will come via the response. >But a simultaneous default of the entire world?! Or even currency reset?! None will allow the US to do so and if they push it through with violence, then no country will ever lend them money again.it will never be called a default, it will be the victors of the next great war creating a new system. But it will be a default/reset for all practical purposes
>>543445526I’m no economist but I know when line goes up that’s good. Trump truly is saving America and you didn’t even say thank you.
>>543462256>then no country will ever lend them money again.People still lent Argentina money, several times, even though they have a crisis about every 10 years where they tell coupon holders to eat shit. The con isn't to hold to maturity, but to pass it around making 10% or more and hope the music doesn't stop before you can offload to a bagholder.
can someone give me a qrd for my retarded ass how this is apocalyptic? ya i can ask AI why but im more concerned about the autistic chud take on it
>>543462637That may be possible for Argentina, whose working age people are entirely in USA and send their money home, but your military industrial complex, cities, contractors and pension funds need money to sustain themselves.I forgot the term for pension funds, medic aid, etc, I think it was unfunded obligations. They tally at 142 Trillion USD. No country on earth, earth can unravel or aid that shit, because they too will run out of money for decades.The era of expansionism is gone, that's why USA seized Venezuela. They are isolating themselves for what is to come and want to split the world with China and Russia
>>543462461Ye, there will be a crash, because 90% of expenses is covered by investors. AI IN USA isn't price at its real cost.While China destroyed any chance for US companies to cash in on it ever through open source models. Nvidia produces goods, but demand will inadvertently decrease, because no money can be made with AI. Needless to say the companies that ride the wave.
>>543447259Generally foreign investors but also rich US investors are trying to diversify away from US investments. DJT's big beautiful golden-age of America policies don't seem to actually have any substantiated math behind them, and the Iran failure was the final nail in the coffin of the petro-dollar.
>>543463137> crash> AIThe data-centers aren't there to make money with AI, the data-centers are there to keep you in check after the crash has occurred.
>>54346266110yr treasury is the benchmark rate that pretty much all debt is priced in (mortgages, credit cards, auto loans, etc.) and it is going up bigly. Money is getting expensive at the exact same time we can least afford to pay it.>>543463015The debt market is filled with people who specialize in min/maxing risk vs. return. I get what you are saying, but as long as the US can stay the cleanest dirty shirt then the US wins. Contagion is global, but the collapse will be asymmetric. It's why we are absolutely fucking the EU and China on energy and directing Ukraine to take out Russian oil infrastructure instead of using those resources on the front line.
>>543463194I get that you are implying flock cameras, but if we solely look at data centers, half of all projects were cancelled or delayed. Microsoft and many AI companies are now securing nuclear energy reactors to guarantee a steady flow of electricity for a decade out, but unlike China, USA created a 24/7 humming clusterfuck in their country. Wasted investments and the nightmare for legal battles hasn't even been realized yet.China moved them far from residences and built power structures right next to them in remote places.Anyways, the USA won't be able to finance and power data centers after the crash
>>543463252USA won't be completely abandoned, but it will significantly downsize. You also have the chimp out problem and civilized armed people, that won't exploit this situation.We, EU will Duke it out with Russia and lose. It feels so orchestrated around the world, that stone monument keeping Earth's population below 500m, while forcing us to die for pedo fossils, might just be true.Overall only countries with tangible and necessary resources will get back on their feet faster
>>543445661I agree, 12% interest rates would make all the boostraps work harder and wages go up for people who actually work. Maybe we could finally lynch mike rowe
>>543463137>China destroyed any chance for US companies to cash in on it ever through open source modelsthat's why anthropic and openAI are pushing for regulation because of "danger". because they want a regulatory capture moat to force all the regulated US industries, which are most of the "economy" to be forced to use them
>>543464072Slowing down the AI race is just coping. Even if they enforce regulations in USA, China will never oblige. The only thing danger and call for regulations creates is a pretext to shift the blame for failing AI to the US government and another too big to fail.For security reasons, the internet and backlash they can't do i, unless they stage a international crisis and push the same COVID techniques.It won't change the outcome though for the US. They will lose a lot of power and the world as it does now is divesting from USA as unreliable partner. Being the cleanest dirtbag, may be true, but you can become your own.So I think next decades will be isolationism. I hope we make up with Russia, but in general EU does not have too many enemies. We will just forge a new identity with Muslim people and expel Jewish influence
>>543464557>We will just forge a new identity with Muslim people and expel Jewish influenceah so you are a turk
>>543445526Don't stop.
>>54344578810/10 libtard posting. I only come here for cutting edge like this, leaf. thanks.
>>543464557>another too big to fail.this is definitely the plan>We will just forge a new identity with Muslim peoplegood luck with that
>>543463372>are now securing nuclear energy reactors to guarantee a steady flow of electricity for a decade outreminds me of world governments going full retards and ordering vaxx dosages (three per citizen per year) for a good decade.nobody knows what happened to those contracts, if money changed hands and whateverthefuck.yesterday here in Krautland it was announced that biontech (pfizer "subsidiary" in the mrna regime) is closing several plants because no fucking buyer could be found for them.but hey maybe they can eventually be transformed into datacenters>USA created a 24/7 humming clusterfuck in their countryUnited States Of Tinnitus
>>543464557>We will just forge a new identity with Muslim people and expel Jewish influenceAch Dennis. Was redste?
>>543464557>We will just forge a new identity with Muslim people
>>543445788This post will make magaturds mad because it's 1:1 how it plays out
higher HIGHER! i need to actually make a few bucks by having a fricken savings account. no moar stocks or crypto i give up, me too stoopid
>>543447366What a dicksmack he is.
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>>543445526paper mememoney are infinite, just print more to pay old debts
>>543467483remember when trump said elections were fake and refused to concede the 2020 election and all the polls said his conspiracy fueled campaign was going down in flames and he was going to lose iowa to kamala and went on to win the popular votethat was hilarious
>>543445526Bonds never made sense to me.We are letting foreigners buy our bonds and promising our future prosperity to them (5.2% of it in this case per year(?)).How does that make any sense to do?
>>543472525For example if we can afford to give another nation 5.2% of our prosperity for buying bonds then why don't we just print the same amount of money we are going to give to them and give it to ourselves instead? Same amount of money was created but instead of it going to foreigners at least we get it.
>>543451613Gold contracts, derivatives and futures manipulation are suppressing prices. most countries (namely Japan) aren't selling actual US bonds, but putting it into FIMA repo in exchange for liquidity, so the bonds aren't actually hitting the market.China is currently in the process of ending all paper gold trades, they're well on their way to real price discovery. Buy the dip, shit is going to go bonkers in the next decade.
>>543456890>America collapsing wont collapse anything in EuropeYou will 200% get invaded by Russia though, it's not even an argument.
>>543472525The stock market grows faster than 5% a year so you actually benefit more than the lenders
>>543445661This, most people don't even know what it means.
>>543445661Yes but stock and bond people are the same people
>>543470430>memeflag'print more' = more debtWhen central banks—via their Primary Dealers, the global investment banks—'print' money on a computer screen that doesn't exist, the nation's sovereign Treasury simultaneously issues a *bond* that must be bought on the debt market. That's what debt note fiat currency is : DebtNo user on 4chan understands or ever has, how the global economy operates, what fiat currency even is(least of all /pol/ and /biz/)
>>543467012Well, that's reality. Our history prevents us from resisting and our fertility rates don't compare to 2nd generation foreigners >>543465760
>>543473156>Well, that's reality. Our history prevents us from resisting and our fertility rates don't compare to 2nd generation foreignersIts not normies that revolt, its the fringe people.
>>543472872That wouldn't create money though, because you just said it is immediately paid for with money that already exists.
>>543450927That sounds like racism. Why are wypipo always kicking a nigga
>>543463665Bond yield isn't interest rate. Interest rate they will pussy foot up 0.25 per meeting instead of just jumping up 4 or 5 at once to force a recession. Federal reserve niggers are too scared of Trump.
>please buy our bonds>just two more years>it will get better we promise
>>543445526The USD is cooked.
>>543447768You lost, nigga. You're a loser, nigga.
