A man broke into a British factory farm and recorded everything he saw in 4K. https://youtube.com/watch?v=Vc3KPo38tTw
>>543448799They are bred to grow so big so fast they can barely walk. It’s literally approximately the equivalent of a 700 pound man
>>543448799Whole chickens even bottom barrel ones are 6-8 dollars a piece at bare minimum, without these farms you will be paying beef prices. Considering chicken is about the last affordable meat alongside pork which is farmed in the exact same way there would be riots overnight if these farms went away.If you want to live in some fantasy harmony with animals and nature you cannot have even a fraction of the population density we have now. Deal with the root cause first otherwise outrage over these things is purely masturbatory virtue signaling.I'm not paying 20 dollars for a chicken and neither is 95% of the planet I'm sorry.
>>543448799buy an ad, Nigel
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>>543449271>If you want to live in some fantasy harmony with animals and nature you cannot have even a fraction of the population density we have now.You can’t feed 8 billion people a diet of mostly pasture raised animal products because there’s not enough resources. You can feed 8 billion people a vegan diet.>I'm not paying 20 dollars for a chicken and neither is 95% of the planet I'm sorry.Most of the planet already has to spend the equivalent of dollars or more for a chicken because they spend a much larger percentage of their total income on food and so they eat much less meat because they can’t afford it. You are just spoiled and entitled.
https://welfarefootprint.org/broilers
We analyzed the following scenarios, for which data on broiler welfare was available. First, a conventional scenario represented by the use of fast-growing breeds (e.g., Aviagen Ross 308, 708, Cobb 500). Although the performance objectives of these breeds can reach as much as 70 g/day, with birds weighing 2.5 Kg in 35 days, average slaughter weight of broilers in the EU and the US is, respectively, 2.5 Kg and 2.9 Kg, reached at 42 and 47 days. This corresponds to an average daily gain (ADG) of 60 and 62 g/day, respectively. We used these values as a benchmark for typical growth rates in fast-growing strains, assuming an ADG of 61 g/day, corresponding to a slaughter weight of 2.5 Kg at 42 days. For the reformed scenario, represented by the use of a slower-growing strain, we assumed an average ADG of 45-46 g/day, hence that the same slaughter weight would be reached in approximately 56 days. This is a growth rate consistent with typical figures achieved by various of the breeds approved under the BCC (e.g. JA 987, 787, Ranger Gold), also referred to as medium- or intermediate-growing broilers. This growth rate also falls within the acceptability of other welfare certification schemes, such as the ‘Beter Leven’ program in the Netherlands and the ‘Deutsche Tierschutzbund’ in Germany, which determine a growth rate of up to 45 g/day, and a minimum lifespan of 56 days. Importantly, data on the incidence of important welfare challenges in slower-growing breeds (e.g. proportion of birds with different degrees of lameness) is available predominantly for birds growing at approximately this rate.In both scenarios, we focused on key welfare challenges affecting broilers: gait-impairing conditions (lameness), cardiovascular problems, thermal stress, the frustration potentially arising from the deprivation of various motivated behaviors, chronic hunger in broiler breeders and the welfare harms endured during stunning and slaughter.
>>543448799This is probably higher welfare too because they have they have space and are not crammed in pens
>>543450327That is not high welfare. They are meat breed birds not laying hens. The issue is their genetics
>>543449864>You can feed 8 billion people a vegan diet.Not without massive petrochemical inputs and factory farming on a scale even larger than it is today. Much of the meat that feeds the 1st world is heavily calorie subsidized by the biomass leftover after the human edible produce has been separated. They're growing on shit we can't digest anyway. There are ways to make a global vegan situation work but it would require a total overhaul of the way we farm and even look at food production and the way we arrange our society. But if we're doing that it's even eaiser to utilize shit like regenerative grazing to restore and expand arable land while still having access to meat. Veganism is a personal ethical choice, it can't be supported on a pragmatic or environmental basis alone.
>>543450524Almost all food / grains fed to chickens is edible and digestible by humans. Factory farms require petrochemicals to make the food for the farm animals.
>>543450614>>543450524>>543449271This is true of pigs and chickens
Mmmmmm food
>>543449864>You can feed 8 billion people a vegan diet.you're delusional and have no concept of reality.
Billions and billions of animals get slaughtered every year only because we are so fucking spoiled we don't want to switch to a vegan diet.It's really not that deep. We humans are literal devils of those poor animals.>>543451010Shut the fuck up nigger
>>543451069>muh vegan diet"You ever plow a field? To plant quinoa or sorghum or whatever the hell it is you eat? You kill everything on the ground and under it. You kill every snake, every frog, every mouse, mole, vole, worm, quail… you kill them all. So I guess the only real question is: how cute does an animal have to be before you care if it dies to feed you?"
>>543448799Better than I expected?
>>543451272Fictional tv shows are not evidence.https://anupamkatkar.com/2015/10/08/debunking-cultivating-crops-for-vegans-kills-more-animals-than-pasture-grazing-livestock/The German study on common volesJacob and Hempel studied common voles on wheat fields and pastures in central Germany in 2002 to understand how farming practices alter their behavior. http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10164-002-0073-8#page-1 In this extensive study, they fitted radio collars to 85 voles and studied them before and after mulching, mowing, harvesting, harvesting and ploughing.As expected, they found that any removal of cover, such as harvesting, mowing, or grazing cattle, decreased the spatial activity and home-range size of the voles, meaning that they didn’t travel far from their homes without the cover of vegetation. But they did not abandon the fields and did not shift their centers of activity. The voles rapidly adapted to the decrease in the height of vegetation and changed their habits, their travel routes and how far they traveled. Jacob and Hempel found that pretty much the only danger that agriculture presented to voles was an increased risk of predation. But they adapted by changing their behavior until the vegetation grew back. In this extensive, real-life field study, which used no controls, no manipulation and surveyed all agricultural activities, the data shows that actions like harvesting pose no threat to the voles. Quite the opposite of what armchair “experts” with an axe to grind claim about the impact of vegan food cultivation
>>543451272Listen, idk the exact numbers, but isn't it kinda common sense that if, hypothetically, all 8 billion of us go vegan, A LOT less animals would die because, we will only be eating plants?Yeah some snakes and moles will die, but I'm pretty sure it's a lot less, by a substantial amount, than the number of chickens that die yearly.>>543451541I imagined it like how kurzgesagt depicted a horrible chicken coop
>>543451272The Indonesian study on rice-field ratsIn 2002, an international team of scientists studied the movement and populations of female rats before and after harvest in western Java. http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1249&context=icwdm_usdanwrc This species of rat, rattus argentiventer, is has been creatively named the rice-field rat because it’s found in – you guessed it – rice fields! And this study again shows how intelligent and adaptable rodents are, no matter what species they are or what continent they live on. As we’ve seen, rodents in other places have been observed leaving the fields and moving to the borders of the fields or a nearby forested area. Like their cousins elsewhere, rice-field rats in Indonesia live in wild patches on the borders of farms and venture into cultivated areas for foraging. But when the rice is harvested, the rats actually shifted base into the fields. Why? Because post-harvest, there are large stacks of rice straw left in the fields to dry (they’re used as fodder for cattle). Although the home range of these rats temporarily decreased by 67% and the distance of their forays shrank by 35%, they actually relocated an average of 367 meters to exploit better opportunities available elsewhere!To belabor the obvious yet again, it must be emphasized that harvesting did not kill these rats by the thousands, or hundreds, or even a handful. In fact, even though harvesting increases risk of predation (which is a natural part of the lives of rodents), none of those who were radio-collared for the study were hunted by predators. Unlike common voles, these rats actually remained in the fields for another 2 or 3 weeks – perhaps because it seemed like a better option than seeking shelter elsewhere.
>>543451836that looks like laying hens . Here’s what happens to the males of that breed because they can’t lay eggs and are wrong breed for meat
>>543448799those are some fat ass birds. damn. i think i could be satisfied eating just one.
>>543448799That’s cool, stay eating meat
>>543449864Let’s do something about that ol global population. I figure the planet would be just fine with one billion, maybe even 500 million, conscious humans. I think it was on some Stones in Georgia at one point.
I don't even believe in human rights. You really think I'm going to be an advocate for non-human rights?
>>543451778>Fictional tv shows are not evidence.no one claimed it was evidence of anything other that you have to consider the adverse impacts on nature by large scale industrial farming, you know, to make it efficient enough to feed the whole 8 billion a vegan diet. And he doesn't even mention herbicides, pesticides and other chemical fertilizers.>removal of cover, such as harvesting, mowing, or grazing cattleI see what you did there, and how you avoided the research on adverse effects of plowing and tilling on the critters and their nests.
Vegans are terrible people. We should eat you.
>>543452119As a misanthrope I think that's cruel but also fair>>543452265kek
>>543452234you provided no research. most wild animals don’t even reach adulthood. most wild animals live mostly bad lives. so do most factory farmed animals
>>543451836>I'm pretty sure it's a lot lessyou don't know that, because to substitute the caloric intake provided by animal diet you'd have to plant more nutrient dense crops. There would be hell to pay in terms of overall health of the population with each successive generation, as unsupplemented diets risk growth stunting and nutrient deficiencies. Unsupplemented vegan diets are linked to a higher risk of being underweight, lower average height, and reduced bone mineral content. Vitamin B12: This nutrient is entirely absent in unsupplemented plant foods and is mandatory for neurological development and preventing irreversible deficiencies. Vitamin D and Calcium: Plant-based diets often yield lower bone density and calcium levels unless fortified foods and supplements are used. Iron and Zinc: While total iron intake can be high in older vegan children, the bioavailability of plant-based iron and zinc is lower, requiring deliberate dietary management. Iodine and Omega-3 (DHA): Maternal and child intake of iodine and long-chain fatty acids like DHA requires careful attention during pregnancy, lactation, and early childhood to support cognitive development.
>>543449271I think half the human population should be eliminated browns first
>>543452623>you provided no researchneither did you, you just cherry picked a couple of paragraphs that did not address the plowing and tilling part of the quote, the main point of the quote.
>>543448858Okay?So?Do you enjoy stringy skinny chicken that you have to wait two years for?
>>543452662AI slop
>>543451836You afraid you're gonna run out of chickens to sacrifice in a vain attempt to fool God?
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>>543452991It's cruel and if you don't care you're obviously brown.
>>543454109They're chickens. They're not cognizant.You're a liberal pussy bitch.
>>543454247Oh yeah you're definitely brown.
>>543454247The Cambridge declaration of consciousness and New York update to it totally agree that animals like birds and mammals are conscious to a significant degreeall those Cognitive neuroscientists, neuroanatomists, neurophysiologists, neuropharmacologists, computational neuroscientists, ethologists, behavioral biologists, theoretical physicists, philosophers, comparative psychologists, evolutionary biologists, neurologists, animal welfare scientists, legal scholars, professors of law, public law and human rights lecturers, computer scientists, veterinary professors, environmental studies scholars, chemical and biological engineers, linguists, and chief executive officersAgree that all birds and mammals have a significant amount of consciousnessThey can suffer a lotThey can also experience wellbeinglike me
>>543452991>stringy chickenThat's literally from the rapid growth though.>Spaghetti meat refers to a muscle defect, also known as myopathy, that causes chicken meat to unravel into soft strings. Dr. David Gerrard, Director of Virginia Tech’s School of Animal Science, says that this myopathy “has been contributed to decreases in connective tissue strength that holds the muscle bundles together.”>The defect, first identified in a 2015 study, was initially known as “mushy breast.” Over time, the abnormality was renamed spaghetti meat because of its visual resemblance to noodles.>Spaghetti meat is less nutritous and has less protein.>The best bet for avoiding spaghetti meat is to buy chicken from small-scale suppliers that raise their chickens more slowly.
>>543451981At least it's over quick.Not like what slaughter house cows and pigs suffer.Or chickens, for that matter.
>>543448858Reminds me of this, hard imagery to forget.
>>543454247>They're not cognizant.They absolutely are.>t. had chickens as kid
>>543454381Whiter than you pajeet
Britain still has lead water mains.
>>543449271>but if we treated animals humanely we wouldn't be able to live in conditions that make people kill themselves and not want to breed!PRAY FOR DEPOPULATION
>>543455273Rome used lead pipes for centuries.Minerals build up and shield the water from lead contamination.The first few years of freshly laid lead pipe is best avoided. After though, literally little to no harm in using lead pipes for water.
>>543449271Jews demanded more meat to march as an army under Moses and The Pillar of Fire, so Yahweh drowned them in (20$) birds. Factory Farms are vertically integrated and THAT is the advantage. >>543452674The Useless Eater is only interesting to the Revolutionary 2% apparently. The real world IS blackrock paying corpos to just give the economy to women and browns who like the Jew slop, oil, entertainment pertropharma, conusmer non durable goods, printing press money, disarmament. While artificial scarcity-overpoputlation is bandied about, there are whole nations of browns that produce nothing but crime who are subsidized to breed by the biggest money there is.
>>543455539>After though, literally little to no harm in using lead pipes for water.unless the water becomes acidic and leeches the lead.
> i created all the conditions for this to happen, but it is not my fault, it's your free will's faultnow worship my ass or you are lined up for hell
>>543448799Hot. Thanks for the new fap material, op
>>543454512Birds are plainly smarter than midwits and browns.Many animals are. Spiders, bees, are outrageously smart. Mammals and Birds are very telekenetic and will talk with you, on their level. Animals are with The Lord all the time because they do not sin.>>543452265Vegan fast is a good parasite cleanse, try to go three months. Vegan is hard because you need to juice, if you can feed and clean a juicer then you will be amazed.
>>543456157You are either brown and fell for the bait (women) licentiously, or are white and legitimately volunteered for the difficult and dangerous school.
