Forbidden knowledge thread Here is an example of Dicyanian dye. If a chemist can confirm it would be appreciated.
>>543464964Nigga. That’s a nerve agent.
>>543464964you can buy dicyanin glasses at radioshack and tim horton's
Why not just buy a claude subscription and ask it instead. From google it supposedly has woo woo aura viewing capability from photo plates but is toxic which makes way more sense why it was banned.Seems like an /x/ thread.
>>543464964>H2SO4sulphuric acid?
>>543464964This shit gives me PTSD from my time in college doing organic chemistry. Fuck everything about these demonic runes and their retarded electron pathways. Fuck DMSO and the Swern oxidation process
>>543465213Isn’t the last one H2N2O2>I don’t know chemistry. At all.
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>>543465262Isn’t sort of easy once you learn all the basic rules and you can look up formulas. Like math. Can’t a computer just run through the process and give you all the steps. Can’t it just work backwards and give you possible reagents and steps to create something.There’s all this fuckin equipment and software they use when at work in the real world and the chemist isn’t opening the textbook or doing it by hand. I don’t really believe they have to. Even before AI. Now with AI it just seems like working forward or backwards is even more possible because of the ability to churn through permutations that a person wouldn’t even think of in a week in a second.I am probably 100% wrong mind you.
>>543465371ncbi?
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00791R000200230003-9.pdfhttps://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/cia-rdp88b01125r000300120041-6https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/cia-rdp88b01125r000300120017-3https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/cia-rdp96-00788r001700210024-6
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/cia-rdp96-00787r000500330001-2https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/00173517https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00792R000100070001-9.pdfhttps://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP82-00850R000300080060-4.pdfhttps://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00792R000500510003-4.pdfhttps://patents.google.com/patent/US6506148B2/en
>>543465506https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/patent/US-6506148-B2#section=CPC
https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/06_iran_strategy.pdf
https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/Digitization/154415NCJRS.pdf
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/collection/stargateI like turtles
https://docs.dwavequantum.com/en/latest/concepts/index.html
>>543464964this thread especially glowsnot clicking any of those links nigga
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/HYPNOSIS%20AND%20COVERT%20OPERA%5B12888903%5D.pdf
>>543466007Would someone who glows post this?
>>543464964I did it now I feel funny. My ears bleed
/pol/ is no fun anymore… where is the magick? https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP78-06096A000100020014-4.pdf
>>543466456That’s indigo dye retard it’s not a drug.
>>543464964I have a PhD in chemistry and what even is this thread??>Dicyanine dyeThat is a synthesis of indigo, not a dicyanine dye. Synthetic dicyanines are related to indigo, but there's a longer polymethine chain linking the two chromophores. This basically leads to quantum confinement of longer wavelengths; hence dicyanines absorb infrared, while indigo primarily absorbs visible wavelengths.>>543465031No it's not. Nerve gasses are organophosphorus. Pic related is a total synthesis of sarin from Wikipedia.
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP90-00845R000100170004-5.pdf
>>543466726Thanks fren :)
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>>543464964>>543465031It's said that Dicyanian dye lets you see things you normally can't.
>>543466726Hey Professor can you answer my question?>>543465499
>>543465262I never took orgo in college, but most of the toxic chemical waste comes from this particular subdiscipline, which I think is enough reason to dramatically limit how much of it you actually need to learn.>>543465499Yes, AI can do all of that and it was totally possible to do it that way even before AI.>>543466726Enlighten us with your great knowledge, master.
>>543466883>CAIB was co-founded in 1978 by former CIA officer turned agency critic Philip Agee, along with William Kunstler, Michael Ratner, Ellen Ray, William Schaap, James and Elsie Wilcott, and Louis WolfOY VEY!
>>543465499>Can’t it just work backwards and give you possible reagents and steps to create something.Yeah that's called "retrosynthesis" but it doesn't always work in real life.You always have a certain % yield, any synthesis with more than let's say 10 steps is usually extremely hard unless you're working with kilograms of stuff.
>>543467470>>543467273Thanks dudes
>>543467470Do you think the way orgo is taught is useful or a waste of time? Should I have taken orgo in college?
>>543467680>Do you think the way orgo is taught is useful or a waste of time?I have mixed opinions about that, but I'm biased since I had a shitty woman professor.
>>543467716Almost every chem teacher I ever had was female and not very good at teaching. I think the instructor quality heavily determined which path I went down. My physics teachers were better on average so that's what I ended up majoring in. I wanted to work in the energy industry and develop some great new energy system, but I eventually dropped out of my major and then out of college entirely because I realized how fake and gay everything in this society is. All the solutions we need were actually there the whole time, it's just corporate faggots and boomers stopping us from implementing them.
>>543468024I think the best way to learn organic chemistry mechanisms is to do problems from previous exams as exercise.Sometimes frontal lectures have a lot of irrelevant bs you don't need, in the end it's about having a good cheatsheet with the names of reagents and knowing resonances, carbonyl beta positions, electrophiles / nucleophiles, pKas, etc.I found these two books to be very useful:1) Arrow Pushing in Organic Chemistry latest edition2) PiHKALAlways remember that in chemistry it's not like truth tables in computer engineering, sometimes a synthesis will fail or succeed for a totally random and mostly unknowable reason, theory and practice are quite different.
>>543468236>it's about having a good cheatsheetIf a subject is mostly about this, then to me that's the perfect reason to just do most of it with AI or other software and only learn the absolute basics that you need to parse what the software is telling you, because it's not really about actual reasoning at that point.>it's not like truth tables in computer engineering, sometimes a synthesis will fail or succeed for a totally random and mostly unknowable reasonSo what, orgo is like making potions in Elder Scrolls and you just need to buff your luck stat so it magically works?
>>543468360>So what, orgo is like making potions in Elder Scrolls and you just need to buff your luck stat so it magically works?No it's not pure luck but you have to test different solvents/temperatures/polyphase combos and maybe if the solvent has 1 additional ethyl group somewhere it will work due to steric hindrance etc.At the same time if it has one additional isobutyl group maybe it won't work because it's too sterically hindered etc.
>>543464964>Dicyanian dyeI think the correct name is "dicyanin dye".That looks like an interesting rabbit hole.
>>543468544Is it true that like 70% of the reactions are basically just about fucking with electrons to get steric hindrance to a manageable state so something you want to react actually will?
>>543465288every vertex you see on the shapes is a carbon atom, so it's C16N2O2 (+ hydrogen)
>>543468901Yeah in my experience something between 50 and 70%.Also catalysts not working well with a solvent but for some complex reason perfectly working with another similar solvent you never heard about etc.The videos published by NurdRage on how menthol almost magically allows you to obtain sodium metal are telling.
>>543469065I once had some ideas about how to synthesize ultra-cheap OTC drugs using different co-solvents (no prescription-only or illegal drugs, sorry cops). I really lean more towards the bio side of things though. I think in a better timeline I worked in a biolab preparing drug precursors synthesized using bacteria to bring down the cost of essential drugs.
>>543468236Does the theory then include probabilities as part of the math? I am guessing in this case no because theory exists in an ideal realm where reality is never ideal.>>543468979Yep I know nothing thank you
>>543469220>Does the theory then include probabilities as part of the math?Yes, in advanced courses with computer stuff.
>>543464964Bump
>>543469197>I really lean more towards the bio side of things though. I think in a better timeline I worked in a biolab preparing drug precursors synthesized using bacteria to bring down the cost of essential drugs.Bacteria, Saccaromyces, CHO and organoids are fascinating.You can do extremely dangerous work with that shit.That's why I think the next big pandemic won't be in 100 years.
>>543469418Well yeah, the Black Plague was because of bacteria, but in order to do the really dangerous work you have to have a BSL-4 biolab which is expensive. But most of the beneficial things you can do with bacteria can be done at BSL-1. Even just E. coli can do a lot, like produce insulin.
>>543469525>But most of the beneficial things you can do with bacteria can be done at BSL-1. Even just E. coli can do a lot, like produce insulin.True, E. coli is fully known nowadays and can be engineered in many ways, but there's always a small chance of unwanted gain of function.It's worse with viruses tho, as they tend to be more transmissible, luckily not so many labs work with viruses.
>>543469065Are you implying that we haven't really got great models for understanding chemistry yet?Assuming sufficient computational power, could we simulate to almost perfection (i.e. it's more of a "resolution"/field-precision issue)?Or is there genuinely still things about chemistry we don't understand?>t. vaguely interested in esoteric alchemy because ive read of some formally educated chemists who still practice its esoteric forms and am trying to understand why
>>543469601True, the only reason the Black Plague was able to happen was because it was before modern sanitation. No bacterial plague could ever do that much damage again. It would have to be a virus.
>>543469672Lots of the most eminent scientists in history were actually occultists. This is something the Reddit midwit academic community we have today doesn't like to talk about.
>>543469368That is good something I somewhat know, one of these days I am going to learn a bit how this works too bad asking questions to AI seems risky as fuck
>>543469705>Lots of the most eminent scientists in history were actually occultistsYeah, I get that, but had kind of assumed that the sciences were narrowing towards describing the Universe's most stable configurations ("as above, so below" - if contemporary science's notions of chemistry are accurate, those same patterns are likely reflected above).
>>543469676Another reason is because of how long it takes to set in and take full effect There were entire regions still suffering the plague for decades but since contact and travel wasn’t easy like now, an entire region could be plague free and then someone travels to some remote location and brings it back to a larger population This happened during the Roman Empire and it wasn’t just one and you’re done thing it could keep coming backThe plague was a real PITA
>>543469672Nah it's not THAT esoteric and we have good models, but sometimes you have complex surprises hard to explain like NurdRage's menthol process to get sodium metal.He said he wanted to publish his results but I don't know if he finally did it.
>>543469748>too bad asking questions to AI seems risky as fuckYet the new AlphaFold for proteins empowered by AI seems to be working great.
>>543469990It’s more about me not knowing if asking a question is something that is dangerous and therefore gets me into trouble and at the minimum my account bannedI would feel the same about certain computer security stuff, if I had less knowledge about that areaEveryone is paranoid and it’s healthy to be a bit paranoid yourself to keep your nose clean I feel
>>543470097There are tons of free sites out there for AI, why use a pay site? I never use any AI on the actual developer's site.
>>543464964Have you tried to ask about it in Google AI, what does it say?
>>543470097NEVER use online/cloud AIs.Use this or similar models by J Coletti with LM studio in airplane mode:huggingface.co/WatsonOverHere/Qwen3.8-27B-Uncensored-F16-GGUF/tree/main
>>543470182I like to use the most recent available models that are not available yet to run locally to work on the most mathematically difficult aspects of the software. Anything local would be fine for most simple applications and other portions but there’s still a difference. For example trying to design a custom circuit for a hardware device the most recent version of claude was extremely good at. Earlier versions still struggled at placing components correctly for example. It’s nothing interesting but I do intend to sell stuff so I gotta be a bit vague here. At the same time I am not really doing anything new just trying different ways to do them.>>543470212Thanks for the reference
>>543470447You're welcome fren, if you don't have enough RAM or VRAM to run it there's a 27B unlocked Qwen model by Coletti quantized in 2F or 4F that can run on a 16 GB RAM laptop with a 4GB VRAM GPU.
US Navy 2ß16 Patent about Anti Gravity Tech.https://patents.google.com/patent/US10144532B2/en
>>543470447It won't be long before local models are just as good as anything you can pay for. Can't wait for the big AI bubble to pop.
>>543470487wtf i can run a 27b model on 16GB + 4GB?!
>>543470487I think this is a bit beyond my computer since it’s a laptop but I forget the exact specs >>543470771I dunno for some programming they’re already pretty much there. It seems the current business plan is to string everyone along for as long as possible, yet eventually the local ones will just be good at 90% or so tasks most people use them for. At that point they’re really going to have to focus on businesses and still it will be the same problem.Most businesses software isn’t complex stuff, so there’s going to be less and less customers. There’s an upper boundary here and they’re trying to cash in hard before it hits.I could be completely wrong but as far as writing software goes most people’s stuff is just CRUD applications
>>543471140Yes, it's slow but you can.
Organic chemist here, I thought indians loved chatgpt, have you tried that yet?
>>543466726>PhD in chemistryLmao what a waste, makes me feel better stopping after honours
>>543471366What's your answer to my question from this post? >>543467680
>>543464964How is indigo dye forbidden in any way?
>>543471422Useful for what? to make shit? yeah lab exposure is nice, other than that you can teach yourself anything
>>543471527What did you do with your degree?
>>543471639What are you asking roundabout questions for your nigger, what information are you trying to find out
>>543471639wasted 1/2 year making peanuts before realizing I could make literally double doing manual labour with zero stress/effort in a better work environment, met plenty of people who had similarly wasted time in law, accounting, maths
>>543471639If you are thinking of studying chemDO NOT
>>543471729That's not a roundabout question, it's a very direct question.>>543471744Yeah that's about what I thought. My idealistic picture of working in a lab might not have held up due to that.
>>543471781I'm not thinking of studying chem in college, I'm way too old to go back to school and AI is taking people's jobs anyway. I'm just trying to figure out what would have happened if I had studied it way back when.
>>543471812>questionS
>>543471812it's not 1930 anymore, labs are full of browns and women, not even smart ones, makes for a shit work environmentwhat's your ethnic background?
>>543471843look up poor man's chemist on jewtube of what can be achieved by a intelligent driven white person
>>543471905White, and I don't want to work in a place like what you describe.
>>543471843Chemistry jobs would have been better the further back in the past you go. Now there are lots of shitskin lab grunts running tests on hplc etcIts probably better in America than here
>>543466726dass rite niGa
Corporate chemists ruined the planet and regularly poison the public
>>543471905gotta love jeets butchering tlc strips and lying in the results
>>543471977>>543472068Is there any difference in the level of niggerfication between working in analysis versus working in synthesis? Also I should say that I wouldn't want to work for big corpo because I don't want to poison the public or deal with HR bullshit. That probably would have limited my job options in the field.
>>543464964>nooo you can't just synthesise a compound that allows you to view quantum spectrum shadows allowing you to view the 'shadows' of the other relm in our visible light spectrum. Think of the stock market!
>>543472144Not really, most regular synthesis will be automated by engineers and have dumb peons running the day to day unless you work for a small manufacturer or something. Not sure what its like in USResearch synthesis is different I dont know much about it
>>543472264I guess if you don't want to work for pharma then oil companies are another option. But working at a small company would have been good, maybe a biotech startup or something like that.
>>543464964Every armored vehicle at the front needs 24/7 automeated recon + interceptor drone air patrol that alerts operators on their HUD vr helmet this would cost 5% of the price of the mbt and negate all its weaknesesAll mechanized arty needs interceptor drones + longer range recon with the same idea + a VR mapA new mechanized vehicle role must be instantiated the drone carrier with overwhelming recon, interceptor, comm network relay, fighter and bomber drone capabilities.A system that reloads, swaps batteries and recharges them while the drone flies on another sortie and can be bolted on top and to the sides of existing vehicles + autopilot and alerts would suffice to restore armored spearheadsEveryone is trying to fight ww3 with infiltration skirmishers vs hedgehog defenders like its ww1 marshalls playing napoleonic war. Get with the times senile boomers the scum of the earth rank and file have potential and you waste it with your incompetence
Gonna keep this thread going for a while in case some smart guys roll through, maybe they'll have more science to drop for the knowledge-starved and increasingly brown masses of /pol/.
>>543465499>Can’t a computer just run through the process and give you all the steps. Can’t it just work backwards and give you possible reagents and steps to create something.No.
>>543473500Why not? AI is getting good as fuck these days.
>>543465262ahh yes my school ptsd is tingling as well.im so glad i learned organic chemistry and differential equations and now cant even find a job as a fucking toilet cleaner.burnittotheground
>>543474357It's becoming clear to me that I would be much more pissed off if I took orgo. I mean feminism has already made society unlivable, but at least I didn't bash my head against the wall learning name reactions and Grignard reagents and shit too.
And whole thread got off topic.Nice job faggots.So where do I get dycyanin. Wanna see those auras like you could in Kilners glasses.I bet this shit is so silently kept from us due to fact you can spot npcs and non npcs plus maybe other non humans
>>543474631>you can spot npcs and non npcsYou don't need dye for this.
>>543469220like thisyou have a carbon atom at every corner
Science niggers
>>543471384the canadian poster proves you wrongknowledge is never wasted on those that apply it or retain itNOTHING beats skills
>>543474357lol
I saved the pictures to claim the CIA Is trying to frame me
