SUBMIT TO CHRISTABORTION IS MURDER70% OF GEN Z WAS MURDERED BY THE NEW HOLOCAUST
>>543480041>SUBMIT TO CHRISTThe same "God" that condoned infanticide
>>543480041>ABORTION IS MURDERso what pussy
>>543480041>70%bs numbers but if you count since it was legalised and praticed in our countries. Count the number of children and great children they could have ect....jews comited the biggest genocide of mankind.
how many pregnant women did god abort when he flooded the earth or when he killed all the Egyptian first borns?
>>543480041>70% OF GEN Z WAS MURDERED BY THE NEW HOLOCAUSTJesus can suck a fat one, 70% of Gen Z is niggers. >Thank God for abortion or the problem would be bigger.>t. Moonman
>>543480414Zero btwGenesis VI, 5
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>>543480721So there were no pregnant women when God killed everyone but Noah and his family? No other babies?
>>543480916Nope.And It was not the entire Earth, but a single region. You should try to read the bible with the help of the magistery and a good theologian that knows some hebraic.It's not so simple.
>>543480973>read the bible with the help of the magistery and a good theologianYou mean so they can tell you their subjective interpretation.Where in the bible backs your claims?
>>543481378>"Okay, I have a good infalible book here.">"Now I need... Uhhh... To interpretate it infalibly">"Right... But I'm a sinner and I can't do that, I'm not a infalible interpreter">"... Okay, so this book is useless for me"You guys need to understand that every teachment needs a interpreter. And being something literally FROM GOD, we need something that will not fail interpreting the teachments. So what we do is to seek for the most ancient form of mean to understand the scriptures, a form that is even older than the scriptures and started first by Christ, wich is the oral tradition, teached by the magistery of the first church.>2 Thessalonians 2:15>2 Thessalonians 3:6>1 Corinthians 11:2>John 21:25>1 Timothy 6:20>2 Timothy 1:13-14>2 Timothy 2:2>1 Timothy 3:15>2 Peter 1:20-21>Luke 10:16>Matthew 16:19
>>543481716>infalible bookAgreed >>543481716>And being something literally FROM GODBit of a contradiction there. Essentially it's pic rel
>>543481716Also, none of these passages state that the flood wasn't global or that pregnant women didn't die in it.
>>543480041What excuse does Christianity, the institutions of the west and theologians specifically, have for being rabidly anti-White, anti-male and anti-western for decades? Their stance on abortion is based, but none of them were ever able to stop the huge rollout of it here and save those 70 million unborn over the decades
>>543481910The image represents better you trying to understands the bible without a infalible magistery. Me, as a catholic, even if I disagree with the real interpretation, I need to accept, and it is the real meaning of submiting my conscience to the Truth.Btw the catholic biblical interpretation have a objective hermeneutic method, that is more clearly explained in the Council of Trent: if the Consensus of the Holy Fathers about a biblical theme, on the camp of faith and moral, is almost aways the same, so it is a dogma and must be accepted. Even the Pope, the higher human authority on the Church, can't disagree with this principle.
>>543481978You are almost denying logic.P1. No innocents diedP2. Babies are innocentsC. So no babies died
>>543481978The flood is an ancient story reflected across cultures the jews just took and usedWho the fuck tries to interpret that shit literally Was Noah actually named Gilgamesh and the kikes are just liars?
>>543482100>Anti-white>Anti-male>Anti-western?
>>543480041the only sanctified kids that can happen outside marriage happen by chance, and it's that life which they always chose to gatekeep and now kill. And that's a narrowminded way of looking at it, when you widen the scope the whole situation is normally inundated with hypocrisy that the people don't see, forest for the trees scenario.>>543480269>so what pussyit has consequences, for everyone. Most abortion, not all is just lethal ignorance done by gluttonous hypocrites but when that becomes industrialized and normalized, and young girls are taught to do it as a form of power over men well you've probably gone far beyond the point it was bad, right?
>>543482235>No innocents diedYou didn't prove that >>543482187>infalible magistery. Me, as a catholicLmao >>543482257>Who the fuck tries to interpret that shit literallyThe retard above you
>>543482235is this the intentionally obtuse christian mindset?
>>543482325>hurr the institutions of Christianity and theologians haven’t been at the forefront of the population eugenics efforts to replace ethnic Europeans in western nations with Globohomo jews>they haven’t been preaching how sinful and awful and evil White men and the west are for 80+ years >they haven’t been sending all of their resources overseas to convert new converts while ignoring the faithful at home to help globohomo jew imperial efforts >they definitely have been speaking out how awful it is that ethnic Europeans and men are being excluded from participating in society everywhere in their home nations lol keep acting like it’s a mystery and we’re all not talking about it, by all means
>>543480041How can I submit to a dead Jew?
>>543480041I mean, I'll entertain the argument that as an individual moral choice killing your own offspring is pretty sketchy. But how does banning abortion at a national/worldwide level work in practice? You really want to double the number of fatherless gangbangers running around? Are we going to have massive Victorian style orphanages in every city again? More welfare(which would increase the incentive to have bastard kids)?
>>543482805Most definitely
>>543480269>so what pussyIt's affront to human dignity, if your saying people have no inherent dignity then your wrong, becasue human don't gain their dignity from utilitarianism, they have dignity becasue they are made in the image of God.Also every abortion is a murder, and God tells us that the land is corrupted by the shedding of blood>“Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.”-Genesis 9:6>“So ye shall not pollute the land wherein ye are: for blood it defileth the land: and the land cannot be cleansed of the blood that is shed therein…”-Numbers 35:33
>>543481978I see you shitting on Christianity every day with reddit tier midwit takes. If you spent even a fraction of that time reading the church fathers and Orthodox theology you would without a doubt come to the realization that the Christian paradigm is the only coherent worldview that can allow for justified true beliefs.watching you make moral truth claims from your subjective worldview is laughable, it's embarressing you don't even realize how stupid you look. From your dumb materialistic worldview there is no good or evil so you have no leg to stand on when making moral claims about what the Bible claims things that God has done.
>>543482873subverted protestantism (roman catholics were the first protestants btw) =/= Christianity, they are all heretics. but you're a burget so I can't fault you for being ignorant though.
>>543482873Judaizing was the very first herecy the Church dealt with, all of the church fathers were against the (((synagogue of Satan))). Come home, white man.
>>543483665i am secular not reading ur bibleslop
>>543480414God can execute judgment however He pleases.
>>543484099>i am secular not reading ur bibleslopsaying your secular doesn't tell me how you're grounding your morality
>>543480215you mean the roman "gods">Nearly 100 infants all died at Ashkelon at about the same full-term age. They were not buried, but instead were cast into a sewer that ran beneath a brothel. Researchers suspect that most such victims were suffocated to death. https://www.livescience.com/42834-ancient-roman-infanticide.html
>>543486138Sure, them too
>>543483780>I see you shitting on Christianity every dayCool
>>543483780>watching you make moral truth claims from your subjective worldview is laughableSuch as? Morality is subjective. Including yours.
>>543484099You've been served.Read it or not, it is valid legal process.You will hear this again on Judgment Day.
>>543487481>Morality is subjectiveNo.You just refuse to admit that your Creator has given you morals that you hate because you refuse to live up to them.
>>543487507>oogabooga gonna get ya!
>>543487705No.You have gotten yourself.
>>543480041ThisAt least 1 million fems in the UK alone are murderers who have escaped conviction. Abortions run at 250,000 per year but even assuming repeat murder that is a very conservative estimate.
>>543487705>"Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins."-Hebrews 9:22>“For the life of the flesh is in the blood… for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life.”-Leviticus 17:11>“This is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the remission of sins.”-Matthew 26:28
>>543487682>No.Sure is.Considering your god had to change its mind on things like circumcision and human sacrifices.Let's not forget the murder of children.
>>543487736You're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions
>>543488302>without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sinsWhy?
>>543480041There are exactly zero passages in the bible as canonized that forbid abortionRather there is a verse in exodus that treats induced miscarriage as a financial loss rather than a moral loss and a verse in ecclesiastes that implicitly says that the soul does not enter the body until after there are bones>>543481716>These books are holy because the council of jews said they wereAll pauline epistles are inconsistent with christ and half of them werent' even written by paulChristianity is a nonsense faith, greco-roman philosophy tacked on to judaism with enough contradictions to convince the cattle they don't have to change anything but how they prayYou can even still eat porkDid it ever strike you as odd pig organs are compatible with the human body, pork reportedly tastes like human, and pigs are every bit as aware, intelligent, and as eager to stay alive as smarter dog breeds, while other livestock animals are so dull they can be slaughtered amongst the herd in the pasture without causing a commotion?God told you not to eat those animals for a reason. Before the flood, they taught the mixing of the species.
>>543488441>Why?Because blood is the life of the animal and Sin is spiritual death that must be atoned. There must be an accounting, without the blood of sacrifice there exist a debt that must be paid in full, God isn't just playing pretend.Christ fulfilled the sacrificial system by offering himself as the perfect sacrifice
>>543488827>without the blood of sacrifice there exist a debt that must be paid in fullOK, God is omnipotent right? He can literally snap his fingers >>543488827>Christ fulfilled the sacrificial system by offering himself as the perfect sacrificeHardly a sacrifice when he's supposedly God and didn't remain dead
>>543480041>making most if not all of human nature sinful and then mandating everyone believe what you teach in order to reach "salvation"the greatest hoax ever committed upon humanity
>>543488302All gospels other than mark are ahistorical and purely roman/pharisaic fanfiction.The entire book of matthew was written decades after mark to retcon in fulfilled prophecies that the authors believed were prophecies, but were not>Then Joseph got up, took the child and his mother by night, and went to Egypt and remained there until the death of Herod. This was to fulfill what had been spoken by the Lord through the prophet, “Out of Egypt I have called my son.” 2:14-15But this isn't fulfilling a prophecy, it's referencing a verse in hosea 11:2-1 that was already fulfilled.>Matthew 2:16-18>When Herod saw that he had been tricked by the magi, he was infuriated, and he sent and killed all the children in and around Bethlehem who were two years old or under, according to the time that he had learned from the magi. Then what had been spoken through the prophet Jeremiah was fulfilledThis is referencing Jeremiah 31:15 and again this is not a prophecy. This is Jeremiah describing the mourning of the Israelites as they went into the Babylonian exile. It is not a prophecy about someone killing kids 600 years later.Fucking lol. Chriggers you made your messiah the eternal messiah. But that's not how it works. No, god did not sacrifice himself to pay for sin forever. The covenants are still in effect with whom they were made. The apostles per mark were only to make you disciples of CHRIST, but you are still, not jews, you are the nations, who learn from christ as a moral teacher.Christ was NOT GOD. Christ. Was. Not. God. God can not be a man. But a man can be ONE with God. Get it.per the OT, jesus is not THE messiah, he is a failed messiah who was rejected by the Jews, and for this, God destroyed judea and the second temple.A messiah therefore will come again and judge the jews.The jews will receive a judgement they rather dislike, with only 144,000 of millions surviving.Everything but mark and revelations is fake.
>chriggers realize their books were literally written to justify what they already wanted to believe, rather than being written from the truth so that they could believe>chriggers realize the truth is the actual religion is judaism, that rabbi yeshua the christ was the jewish messiah, and came not as god in the flesh or some DMT entity/mystic/syncretic bullshit god that is 3 and 1, but as the king of the jews and teacher of the nations, as one with the (one) god of the jews and given authority by the (one) god of the jews to do works>chriggers realize that praying to mary and random dead churchtians was always idolatry>chriggers realize the trinity was polytheistic and idolatrous>chriggers realize all their cool looking murals of a suspiciously odin-like character were always explicitly forbidden, for you may not make any graven image of that which is the heavens>chriggers realize they don't even follow rabbi yeshua, they follow father saul who contradicted rabbi yeshua wherever convenient>chriggers realize they have strayed from a god whose laws were just and reasonable to follow greco-roman pagan philosophy>instant page 5
>>543488925>OK, God is omnipotent right? He can literally snap his fingers. power =/= arbitrariness>Hardly a sacrifice when he's supposedly God and didn't remain deadSo being brutalized and crucified was hardly a sacrifice? A he didn't remain dead to show he has power over life and death, and the ability to raise the dead to life.>The entire book of matthew was written decades after mark to retcon in fulfilled prophecies that the authors believed were prophecies, but were notI think St.John Chrysostom commentary on Matthew 2:15 would be helpful, as he directly recognizes that Hosea 11:2 originally spoke about Israel, while it reached fulfillment in Christ.>“This is a law of prophecy, that in many cases much that is spoken of one set of persons is fulfilled in another.”-St. John Chrysostom, Homily 8 on MatthewScripture often is speaking about one hisotrical topic before delving into the matter in spiritual depths, famously like Ezekiel 28:11-19, the rebuke of Tyre veers into specific rebuke of Satan, I'm pretty sure the king of Tyre wasn't in the garden of Eden.I'm confused, you acknowledge everything but Mark and Revelation? What non-subjective standards are you applying to come to that conclusion?
>>543489640>literally written to justify what they already wanted to believeYeah, that's why they were systematically tortured and killed for their beliefs by their own community>syncretic bullshit god that is 3 and 1>“Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? ... what is his name, and what is his son’s name, if thou canst tell?”-Proverbs 30:4That was written WAY before the incarnation, and who was the Angel of the Lord that visited and ate with Abraham and Abraham bowed down in worship (forbidden to worship Angels)
>>543480041killing your neighbor in road rage is murder, killing your wife for cheating is murder, killing yourself is murder...what is your point retard
>>543489975>power =/= arbitrarinessSo an omnipotent is bound by rules?>>543489975>So being brutalized and crucified was hardly a sacrifice?When you're an omnipotent being. Yes>A he didn't remain dead to show he has power over life and death, and the ability to raise the dead to life.Which is to be expected of a supposed omnipotent being The rest pertains to the other anon
>>543480041You don't need to be religious to understand that killing innocent humans is wrong. Associating the pro life instance with religion only feeds the pro murder propaganda on secularist people.Why abortion is wrong:* You shouldn't kill innocent people, regardless of what they look like, regardless if they are unconscious, regardless if they are inside your property against their own will* Being unconscious should not overrule the fetus personhood because everyone can get unconscious at any time and they still keep their right to live. Be it during deep sleep, fainting, coma, being under general anesthesia. When you are unconscious you experience the world just like a young fetus, so making an exception for born people is arbitrary and depends on basically giving metaphysical status to having an existing but unconscious brain* A mother's property right to her own body should not overrule the same right for the fetus' body. They are two separate bodies. The fetus even has their own separate bloodstream that gets oxigenated by a gap between the fetal placenta and the maternal placenta. It's obviously wrong to murder an innocent person that happens to be inside your property against their will* Everyone is a lump of cells, including you. An embryo isn't just like sperm because sperm cells are haploid cells without new genetic material compared to their producer. They also don't have their own biological development as a separate human specimen. If you leave sperm cells in your body they will just die and be recycled. Embryos are genetically different from their host and develop into a different body. You also shouldn't judge who deserves the right to live based on how they physically look like.
>>543489975It wasn't a sacrifice. It was a sin, the murder of the messiah. Why would god allow this? he has always allowed man to fail. And it is why judea was destroyed and the second temple is so gone pharisees are praying at fort antonia on the wrong hill.>matthew 2:15Maybe you should go read hosea 11:2 and realize it's about exodus.The authors of matthew weren't smart enough to make their con perfect.>>543490406People die for things, people kill for things. I guess buddhism is right and islam is truth. Those are deeds of men alone.>proverbs>I have not learned wisdom, > nor have I attained to the knowledge of the Holy One.>...>What is his name, and what is the name of his son? > Surely you know!He, and his son, are two. Distinct.>enochAt the time of christ, enoch WAS CANON. The church decanonized it on grounds that should actually decanonize isaiah and daniel (multiple authorship, later insertions) but it's far clearer on who christ is. As the prophets lives are predestined in jeremiah 1>The word of God which came to Jeremias... >And the word of the Lord came to him, saying,>Before I formed thee in the belly, I knew thee; and before thou camest forth from the womb, I sanctified thee; I appointed thee a prophet to the nations.The messiah is pre-existent in 1 enoch, as a distinct entity from god>[46.1-4] And there I saw the One to Whom belongs the time before time, and His head was white like wool. With Him was another being, whose countenance had the appearance of a man, and his face was full of graciousness, like one of the holy angels. I asked the angel who went with me [...] concerning that son of and who he was, and whence he was, and why he went with the One to Whom belongs the time before time.>He answered and said to me: 'This is the son of man who has righteousness, with whom dwells righteousness...
>>543480041And abrahamism is a delusion.Mixing is also bad, I don't see christkikes and other abrahamic tards talking about that.
>>543490713Counterpoint: The spirit does not come into the body at conception.That's it! Did you know that> Ecclesiastes 11:5 ... As you do not know the way the spirit comes to the bones in the womb of a woman with child...That in human embryology, the neural tube does not close, and the brain does not "turn on" (or even exist), until the bones begin to ossify? That man does not yet resemble the image of anything other than a fish?>Everyone is a lump of cells, including you.This is greek philosophy (the truth of the world is revealed by logic), not monotheistic truth (the whole of the world is the design of god). Greek philosophy, based on light/knowledge, illuminating things for yourself, is luciferian.You may also say"Are we not all animals? Can you name a trait that all humans have and no animals do? Is it okay to treat a human lacking that trait like an animal?"This is luciferian thought. Lucifer is he who despises that man was made and favored. Lucifer considers man equal to all other creation if not less.Godly thought is"Man is made in God's image and has dominion over the earth"
>>543490952Your schizo babble gives me an insight on why it was so easy to fool Americans with illogical, irrational, pseudoscientific arguments to justify the largest industrial mass murder in human history
>>543490775>At the time of christ, enoch WAS CANONCitation needed, it wasn't even considered part of the jewish canon at the time, and later rabbinic judaism doesn't either so what are saying the Church decanonized it and then the later jews agreed with them?This is utterly incoherent
>>543490952>That in human embryology, the neural tube does not close, and the brain does not "turn on" (or even exist), until the bones begin to ossify? This doesn't matter, see point 2. Having an incomplete brain or an unconscious but formed brain result essentially in the same personal experience. You merely give an arbitrary value to the complete unconscious brain even though the subjective experience of someone in deep sleep is the same of that of a rock. We can't murder them because they are still human and we assume they will want to enjoy existence in the future after attaining consciousness, so the same should be true for fetuses>That man does not yet resemble the image of anything other than a fish?This doesn't matter, see point 4. You can't decide on rights by putting form over substance
>>543491081Something without a brain, without bones, is not human yet. Sorry. Just how it works. Did you know christian civilization actually allowed abortion until the quickening (fetal movement), well in excess of the caution line set by eccl 11:5? What you believe is far closer to atheistic greek philosophy.>but we're all just clumps of cells!You may also say"Are we not all animals? Can you name a trait that all humans have and no animals do? Is it okay to treat a human lacking that trait like an animal?"But you can tell a human from an animalAnd you can tell a human from something that has no bones or functioning central nervous system>>543491403It is still canon in the oldest christian sects (only dispensed of by pharisee-led eurochristians), and was recovered from qumran showing it was in common use at the time. Jews likely decanonized it in response to the messiah appearing as enoch predicted. >>543491415>"Personal experience"it has no personal experience. none. there is no brain. when there are no bones, there is no brain, there is no central nervous system. there is no one there. there is no spirit.>even though the subjective experience of someone in deep sleep is the same of that of a rockThis is completely utterly and provably falseFuck off you fucking monkey faggot. I'm done arguing with a half-chimp.
>>543480041Abortion is murder, and Jesus is dead and gone.
>>543480041For Christfags. Once you are free from the jewish bible a lot of stuff is totally okay. I as a pagan only worry about my people, but only just. I dont let some jew book dictate what I do, i really dont mind gays or abortion or any other christfag argument. >its a sinThats not real and not how you decide what is “good” fucking jew cucks
>>543491415>You merely give an arbitrary value to the complete unconscious brainAnd yet you happily do they same thing because you're making arguements on utilitarian basis that humans have no intrinsic value
>>543491550What's your brain good for when you are in N3 non-REM sleep? What's your brain good for when you are under general anesthesia? Yes, it's controlling your vital organs but your personal experience is the same of that of a rock, ie, none. You don't have subjective experience. No qualia. No "homunculus" watching the world inside your head. Nothing. You are just a bunch of living tissues and this happens every single night before you start dreaming. You give supernatural importance to the brain even when it's not generating consciousness. My moral axiom is much more simple, it's just "let's not kill innocent individuals of our species". No need for mental gymnastics, I just apply this principle for everyone and it ends up making sense
>>543491696I assume the life of Homo sapiens specimens has an intrinsically value. Simple, easy, common sense. You have to make mental gymnastics about how a human brain has inherent value even when it's unconscious
>>543491572Before Abraham was, He Is. It is we who are the living dead but for His grace.
>>543491550>It is still canon in the oldest christian sectsThe Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church schismed in 451AD when it refused to recognize the council of Chalcedon, the biblical canon wasn't finalized at the point of schism, it wasnt finalized centuries later. And their bishops all came the Coptic church in Egypt anyway and in 381AD their Patriarch ruled on the Canon and the book of Enoch wasn't in it. The Ethiopian church developed it's own tradition that didn't mirror the rest of Christianity.Just because a book was found alongside other works or was influential doesnt' make it Canon, there are level of Church acceptance of books that are not considered scripture or inspired but are still influential for understand historical context like the Protoevangelium of James.
>>543492042>I assume the life of Homo sapiens specimens has an intrinsically valueOkay homo, why though? Justify it, I want to know your logic.>Simple, easy, common senseBEGGING THE QUESTION!You're still not realizing that you're just asserting you position without showing how, restating your position isn't an argument, I know what your saying I want to know HOW YOU KNOW
>>543491640You already admitting being a pagan so do you believe your gods are real, metaphors or cultural heritage that can be utilized without it meaning anything greater metaphysically speaking.And why should I believe you? How is your paganism different than an african shaman with a bone in his nose dancing around?
>>543480041>>543480041Do you think browns should be aborted or no?
>>543480041aborting browns is a good thing though, but abrahamists like you don't accept that
